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On April 10 2013 19:13 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 19:10 FakeDeath wrote:On April 10 2013 19:08 MrJoKer wrote: MVP will be in Europe <3 GSL , I mean WCS Korea loose a loot of prestige for me without all this players. Such nonsense. WCS Korea(GSL) Code S will always be regarded the toughest league. Mvp is Code B. Sure he is the best player in WoL but based on current form he isn't Code S level. lol? lose a few matches and you are not Code S level. Seriously this community sometimes haha
He losing more than a few matches.
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That will be fun. I can cheer for MVP to fight for Europe. :D
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I said this when blizz announced WCS.Foreigners can go back to school KOREANS ALL OVER YOU
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Haha, all Korean WCS final incoming
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On April 10 2013 18:13 Serpico wrote: Slow clap for blizzard. Haha, that's exactly my reaction too.
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On April 10 2013 19:10 budar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 18:52 sc2superfan101 wrote:On April 10 2013 18:47 Musicus wrote:On April 10 2013 18:41 sc2superfan101 wrote:On April 10 2013 18:37 playa wrote:On April 10 2013 18:34 sc2superfan101 wrote: Can someone please explain how this ruins anything?
Keep in mind that a GSL style NA/EU tournament with similar prize money didn't exist before this. Keep in mind that every country had a WCS last season and Koreans were only playing in the Korean WCS. Thus, non Koreans could actually win something... So now they actually have to play better players to win something... Oh no! I'm sorry but I'm having a real hard time sympathizing with all this entitlement coming out of the foreign scene right now. There will always be international tournaments with tons of top koreans stomping foreigners, but many wanted WCS to be the starcraft olympics. National champions being sent to the world final etc. Would you not enjoy that? Some regional competission leading up to a world final on top of all the international stuff? Not really. I'd probably watch the finals just for the Koreans though. I am one of those rarities that likes Korean players more for both personality and skill level. (emphasis mine) -> That's the whole point. I also don't really care where someone is from if they can play great games, but there are a lot of people who chose their favorite players based on other criteria, and that's actually perfectly fine and happens in all sports. Especially if you're cheering for your hometown/homecountry representative, it's really completely understandable and desirable. And the point that you are missing is that this is killing that. So you might get some great games in the first season (in the offline event, doubt the online part will be too hot after a few weeks of initial interest), but how long will that continue if viewership and general interest in the game declines. Just look at the LoL and DotA2 scenes... The situation in terms of skill is actually really similar to SC2. North american teams are behind EU teams who are behind Asian teams, with a handful of Stephano-like exceptions. But these scenes are completely separated except for THE big tournament where all roads lead to. The NA LCS is getting great numbers even though those teams are actually pretty weak right now. But hey, people care about them, they know these players from their stream etc. Anyway, it remains to be seen how this will turn out. I might actually watch the NA one now whereas without the Koreans I probably wouldn't have. But that's me and you and people like that. What about the "average Joe" browsing twitch and eating Hot Pockets? I still don't get how this kills the scene though...
The only change is no more WCS and more money being funneled into the scene. You could argue that it doesn't advance the NA/EU scene as much as it could have, but then I would again disagree. In the region locked scenario, NA/EU would just stagnate and remain eternally inferior. Foreigners would have no incentive to reach the level to where they could beat Koreans.
Was the old WCS really all that successful? I never bothered watching any of it so I don't know.
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I'm just sad that so far, this isn't going to be a "World Championship", but more of a second Super-Super Tournament. What happened to the olympic model from last year? It wasn't only about who's the "best of the best" (and you can pretty much could guess who), but the whole point was to bring everyone from all corners of the world to represent their country. I was excited when it was announced this year because I thought we were finally going to get a, in a way, world wide Code S system.
I didn't know there were a lot people who didn't give any shit about the foreign scene...
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This is good though.
Now i will start watching WCS: NA.
At least we will be seeing better games.
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On April 10 2013 19:13 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 19:10 FakeDeath wrote:On April 10 2013 19:08 MrJoKer wrote: MVP will be in Europe <3 GSL , I mean WCS Korea loose a loot of prestige for me without all this players. Such nonsense. WCS Korea(GSL) Code S will always be regarded the toughest league. Mvp is Code B. Sure he is the best player in WoL but based on current form he isn't Code S level. lol? lose a few matches and you are not Code S level. Seriously this community sometimes haha More than a few to be honest. He is 15-18 in matches the last 5 months.
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On April 10 2013 19:19 FakeDeath wrote: This is good though.
Now i will start watching WCS: NA.
At least we will be seeing better games.
Exactly.
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Look at it like this. Now every American player can practise like it's Korea at home. Code S level everywhere !!
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On April 10 2013 19:17 Mangooze wrote:Haha, that's exactly my reaction too.
Mission accomplished?
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Knowing Blizzard, I'm pretty sure they have something planned up their sleeve, considering the fact that they were aware that it would happen.
Probably some chain-effect that we never saw before could happen and more people would join GSL in the long run, thus creating a constant supply of new players, etc.
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On April 10 2013 19:19 FakeDeath wrote: This is good though.
Now i will start watching WCS: NA.
At least we will be seeing better games.
I have never watched a collegiate league game or w/e it's called. You know what would make me watch it? Add some Koreans. Wonder why they don't use this format. Too bad for having leagues that are rooted around the meaning of the name of the league. Greed for the win. They could really help out the college teams and players by having Korean pros replace their lineups. Blizz logic.
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On April 10 2013 19:19 NapkinBox wrote: I'm just sad that so far, this isn't going to be a "World Championship", but more of a second Super-Super Tournament. What happened to the olympic model from last year? It wasn't only about who's the "best of the best" (and you can pretty much could guess who), but the whole point was to bring everyone from all corners of the world to represent their country. I was excited when it was announced this year because I thought we were finally going to get a, in a way, world wide Code S system.
I didn't know there were a lot people who didn't give any shit about the foreign scene...
No one said its about being a World Championship, its about the best of the best. Names don't always hold up to them. World Cyber Games for example isn't what it used to be.
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On April 10 2013 19:03 Killmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 19:01 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 10 2013 19:01 Ammoth wrote: How is EG-TL in proleague gonna work out? What happens to Coach park? Will the players just travel like crazy? From what I understand about the format they should only have to travel 1 weekend. It would be like attending a weekend event. The rest is played online isnt ro 16 and onward offline??
But not spread out over as many days as gsl. It should be under 2 weeks that you are actually required to be in na/eu. So worst case they have to miss out on a few of their players for 4 pro league matches.
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On April 10 2013 19:19 NapkinBox wrote: I'm just sad that so far, this isn't going to be a "World Championship", but more of a second Super-Super Tournament. What happened to the olympic model from last year? It wasn't only about who's the "best of the best" (and you can pretty much could guess who), but the whole point was to bring everyone from all corners of the world to represent their country. I was excited when it was announced this year because I thought we were finally going to get a, in a way, world wide Code S system.
I didn't know there were a lot people who didn't give any shit about the foreign scene...
The problem with olympic model for SC2 is that Koreans are far better than every other country, and regional finals basically lack prestige. Another problem is that if there will be no real global tournament (like WCS is going to be), then the international players will stay inferior to Koreans for ever. That's really boring. This answers your last point: it's not true that people don't give a shit about foreign scene, they just have different point of view than yours.
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