• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:29
CEST 11:29
KST 18:29
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 1 - Final Week6[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall12HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0
Community News
Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed12Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll4Team TLMC #5 - Submission extension3Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation17$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced7
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed Who will win EWC 2025? The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll
Tourneys
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Starcraft in widescreen A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches CSL Xiamen International Invitational [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project The PlayStation 5
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Summer Games Done Quick 2025! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 2024 - 2025 Football Thread NBA General Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Men Take Risks, Women Win Ga…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 646 users

Koreans selecting WCS NA/EU List - Page 18

Forum Index > SC2 General
1695 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 16 17 18 19 20 85 Next
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
April 10 2013 10:15 GMT
#341
On April 10 2013 19:13 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 19:10 FakeDeath wrote:
On April 10 2013 19:08 MrJoKer wrote:
MVP will be in Europe <3 GSL , I mean WCS Korea loose a loot of prestige for me without all this players.


Such nonsense.

WCS Korea(GSL) Code S will always be regarded the toughest league.

Mvp is Code B.
Sure he is the best player in WoL but based on current form he isn't Code S level.



lol? lose a few matches and you are not Code S level. Seriously this community sometimes haha


He losing more than a few matches.

Play your best
Iorveth
Profile Joined April 2013
Cayman Islands62 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 10:16:27
April 10 2013 10:16 GMT
#342
That will be fun. I can cheer for MVP to fight for Europe. :D
DT.Damage
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany89 Posts
April 10 2013 10:16 GMT
#343
I said this when blizz announced WCS.Foreigners can go back to school KOREANS ALL OVER YOU
Mahanaim
Profile Joined December 2012
Korea (South)1002 Posts
April 10 2013 10:17 GMT
#344
Haha, all Korean WCS final incoming
Celebrating Starcraft since... a long time ago.
Mangooze
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands301 Posts
April 10 2013 10:17 GMT
#345
On April 10 2013 18:13 Serpico wrote:
Slow clap for blizzard.

Haha, that's exactly my reaction too.
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 10:19:01
April 10 2013 10:18 GMT
#346
On April 10 2013 19:10 budar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 18:52 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On April 10 2013 18:47 Musicus wrote:
On April 10 2013 18:41 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On April 10 2013 18:37 playa wrote:
On April 10 2013 18:34 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Can someone please explain how this ruins anything?

Keep in mind that a GSL style NA/EU tournament with similar prize money didn't exist before this.


Keep in mind that every country had a WCS last season and Koreans were only playing in the Korean WCS. Thus, non Koreans could actually win something...

So now they actually have to play better players to win something...

Oh no!

I'm sorry but I'm having a real hard time sympathizing with all this entitlement coming out of the foreign scene right now.


There will always be international tournaments with tons of top koreans stomping foreigners, but many wanted WCS to be the starcraft olympics. National champions being sent to the world final etc. Would you not enjoy that? Some regional competission leading up to a world final on top of all the international stuff?

Not really. I'd probably watch the finals just for the Koreans though. I am one of those rarities that likes Korean players more for both personality and skill level.

(emphasis mine) -> That's the whole point. I also don't really care where someone is from if they can play great games, but there are a lot of people who chose their favorite players based on other criteria, and that's actually perfectly fine and happens in all sports. Especially if you're cheering for your hometown/homecountry representative, it's really completely understandable and desirable. And the point that you are missing is that this is killing that. So you might get some great games in the first season (in the offline event, doubt the online part will be too hot after a few weeks of initial interest), but how long will that continue if viewership and general interest in the game declines.

Just look at the LoL and DotA2 scenes... The situation in terms of skill is actually really similar to SC2. North american teams are behind EU teams who are behind Asian teams, with a handful of Stephano-like exceptions. But these scenes are completely separated except for THE big tournament where all roads lead to. The NA LCS is getting great numbers even though those teams are actually pretty weak right now. But hey, people care about them, they know these players from their stream etc.

Anyway, it remains to be seen how this will turn out. I might actually watch the NA one now whereas without the Koreans I probably wouldn't have. But that's me and you and people like that. What about the "average Joe" browsing twitch and eating Hot Pockets?

I still don't get how this kills the scene though...

The only change is no more WCS and more money being funneled into the scene. You could argue that it doesn't advance the NA/EU scene as much as it could have, but then I would again disagree. In the region locked scenario, NA/EU would just stagnate and remain eternally inferior. Foreigners would have no incentive to reach the level to where they could beat Koreans.

Was the old WCS really all that successful? I never bothered watching any of it so I don't know.
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
April 10 2013 10:18 GMT
#347
gg NA region
@taefoxy
NapkinBox
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States314 Posts
April 10 2013 10:19 GMT
#348
I'm just sad that so far, this isn't going to be a "World Championship", but more of a second Super-Super Tournament. What happened to the olympic model from last year? It wasn't only about who's the "best of the best" (and you can pretty much could guess who), but the whole point was to bring everyone from all corners of the world to represent their country. I was excited when it was announced this year because I thought we were finally going to get a, in a way, world wide Code S system.

I didn't know there were a lot people who didn't give any shit about the foreign scene...
"Who has the best durability feat in all of comic book superheroes?" "Aquaman surviving pop culture."
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
April 10 2013 10:19 GMT
#349
This is good though.

Now i will start watching WCS: NA.

At least we will be seeing better games.
Play your best
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
April 10 2013 10:19 GMT
#350
On April 10 2013 19:13 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 19:10 FakeDeath wrote:
On April 10 2013 19:08 MrJoKer wrote:
MVP will be in Europe <3 GSL , I mean WCS Korea loose a loot of prestige for me without all this players.


Such nonsense.

WCS Korea(GSL) Code S will always be regarded the toughest league.

Mvp is Code B.
Sure he is the best player in WoL but based on current form he isn't Code S level.


lol? lose a few matches and you are not Code S level. Seriously this community sometimes haha

More than a few to be honest. He is 15-18 in matches the last 5 months.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Mahanaim
Profile Joined December 2012
Korea (South)1002 Posts
April 10 2013 10:20 GMT
#351
On April 10 2013 19:19 FakeDeath wrote:
This is good though.

Now i will start watching WCS: NA.

At least we will be seeing better games.


Exactly.
Celebrating Starcraft since... a long time ago.
Sjokola
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands800 Posts
April 10 2013 10:20 GMT
#352
Look at it like this. Now every American player can practise like it's Korea at home. Code S level everywhere !!
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17671 Posts
April 10 2013 10:21 GMT
#353
HAHAHAHA wtf is this?
"Expert" mods4ever.com
MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
April 10 2013 10:21 GMT
#354
On April 10 2013 19:17 Mangooze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 18:13 Serpico wrote:
Slow clap for blizzard.

Haha, that's exactly my reaction too.


Mission accomplished?
Miss_Foxy
Profile Joined March 2012
Singapore109 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 10:22:06
April 10 2013 10:21 GMT
#355
Knowing Blizzard, I'm pretty sure they have something planned up their sleeve, considering the fact that they were aware that it would happen.

Probably some chain-effect that we never saw before could happen and more people would join GSL in the long run, thus creating a constant supply of new players, etc.
I love Blizzard's stuff and Korea ~ <3
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 10:23:13
April 10 2013 10:22 GMT
#356
On April 10 2013 19:19 FakeDeath wrote:
This is good though.

Now i will start watching WCS: NA.

At least we will be seeing better games.


I have never watched a collegiate league game or w/e it's called. You know what would make me watch it? Add some Koreans. Wonder why they don't use this format. Too bad for having leagues that are rooted around the meaning of the name of the league. Greed for the win. They could really help out the college teams and players by having Korean pros replace their lineups. Blizz logic.
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
April 10 2013 10:22 GMT
#357
ewww....
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 10:23:20
April 10 2013 10:22 GMT
#358
On April 10 2013 19:19 NapkinBox wrote:
I'm just sad that so far, this isn't going to be a "World Championship", but more of a second Super-Super Tournament. What happened to the olympic model from last year? It wasn't only about who's the "best of the best" (and you can pretty much could guess who), but the whole point was to bring everyone from all corners of the world to represent their country. I was excited when it was announced this year because I thought we were finally going to get a, in a way, world wide Code S system.

I didn't know there were a lot people who didn't give any shit about the foreign scene...


No one said its about being a World Championship, its about the best of the best. Names don't always hold up to them. World Cyber Games for example isn't what it used to be.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3679 Posts
April 10 2013 10:23 GMT
#359
On April 10 2013 19:03 Killmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 19:01 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On April 10 2013 19:01 Ammoth wrote:
How is EG-TL in proleague gonna work out? What happens to Coach park? Will the players just travel like crazy?

From what I understand about the format they should only have to travel 1 weekend. It would be like attending a weekend event. The rest is played online


isnt ro 16 and onward offline??


But not spread out over as many days as gsl. It should be under 2 weeks that you are actually required to be in na/eu.
So worst case they have to miss out on a few of their players for 4 pro league matches.
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-10 10:24:26
April 10 2013 10:23 GMT
#360
On April 10 2013 19:19 NapkinBox wrote:
I'm just sad that so far, this isn't going to be a "World Championship", but more of a second Super-Super Tournament. What happened to the olympic model from last year? It wasn't only about who's the "best of the best" (and you can pretty much could guess who), but the whole point was to bring everyone from all corners of the world to represent their country. I was excited when it was announced this year because I thought we were finally going to get a, in a way, world wide Code S system.

I didn't know there were a lot people who didn't give any shit about the foreign scene...


The problem with olympic model for SC2 is that Koreans are far better than every other country, and regional finals basically lack prestige. Another problem is that if there will be no real global tournament (like WCS is going to be), then the international players will stay inferior to Koreans for ever. That's really boring. This answers your last point: it's not true that people don't give a shit about foreign scene, they just have different point of view than yours.
Prev 1 16 17 18 19 20 85 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 31m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Trikslyr24
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 16567
BeSt 1337
Pusan 407
Stork 399
PianO 223
ToSsGirL 88
zelot 79
JulyZerg 41
NaDa 37
Sharp 35
[ Show more ]
Sacsri 28
Barracks 22
Hm[arnc] 17
EffOrt 9
Bale 6
Noble 6
Britney 0
Dota 2
Gorgc4181
XaKoH 440
XcaliburYe341
singsing240
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1168
shoxiejesuss684
sgares94
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King138
Other Games
gofns16845
ceh9490
SortOf111
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2986
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 8
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH388
• LUISG 18
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2121
Upcoming Events
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6h 31m
Replay Cast
14h 31m
The PondCast
1d
OSC
1d 3h
WardiTV European League
1d 6h
Replay Cast
1d 14h
Epic.LAN
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Epic.LAN
3 days
CSO Contender
3 days
[ Show More ]
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Online Event
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Esports World Cup
6 days
ByuN vs Astrea
Lambo vs HeRoMaRinE
Clem vs TBD
Solar vs Zoun
SHIN vs Reynor
Maru vs TriGGeR
herO vs Lancer
Cure vs ShoWTimE
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
Championship of Russia 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters

Upcoming

CSL Xiamen Invitational
CSL Xiamen Invitational: ShowMatche
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
K-Championship
RSL Revival: Season 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
Underdog Cup #2
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.