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On March 09 2013 00:25 AhOhitzXray wrote:
JR is the definition of bad zerg players getting great results because of the patch. I would be surprised if anyone picks him up. The only one who has stayed reasonably on top, after they broke out due to the patch is Scarlett. But I'll keep faith just for the sake that anything can happen when Hots comes out so it is possible that he could make a come back, not likely but possible.
See exactly what I am talking about! What has scarlett done that makes her different than these other players? How is she 'on top'? How were they 'on top' before and now they aren't? Just complete made up nonsense.
And if Jrecco is so bad how is he 2nd highest foreigner zerg on hots gm ladder? He was a solid eu gm zerg before the patch as well.
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On March 09 2013 00:30 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 00:22 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 09 2013 00:17 Plansix wrote:On March 09 2013 00:06 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 09 2013 00:04 Pwnzer wrote:
This entire thread is a shithole and everyone is contributing. More than half of it isn't even commenting on what the thread was intended to discuss, I'm actually surprised there isn't a mod note yet.
Good Luck JRecc in finding a new team. Hopefully we get a statement from Dignitas soon so we can actually get two sides to the story. Is it not natural progression for people to speculate on why he wasn't renewed for another contract? Of course, but that doesn’t mean everyone should be a jerk about it. I personally hate the term “patch-zerg” because its thrown around for almost every zerg in the scene at this point. Even BitbyBitPrime didn’t get this much hate in the era of GomTvT, and he was the scrub of scrubs. I don’t know much about JonnyR, but a lot of the stuff in this thread is totally unwarranted and just people jumping on the hate-wagon. Dude BitByBit was legendary, the fact that people even still bring him up shows just how much hate he received rofl. I actually kind of miss seeing his much maligned scv/marine allins every single game. Artosis' jokes on him were just epic. Agreed though, I guess people could be a little less harsh on jonnyr. Everyone loved BitbyBit, if only how amusing it was to watch him to the same thing over and over. He alone was proof that close positions were totally busted in all ways. Oh close positions on Metaloplis, how I loved you justifying me going one base colossi every game. I will never defend the era of the “ggLords + winfestors”, but the hate in the community towards zerg players got way out of control. A lot of these players didn’t do anything and likely didn’t like building 25 infestors per game, but it as how the game was at the time. The community needs really clamp down on that stuff and not blame the player for playing the game they are presented with. Unless they are an ass-hat about it. Then we can hate on them for being an ass-hat.
I agree completely with this
Suppy does the same thing all the other "patchzergs" did but he isn't a ass and plays to win.
jrecco was basically an asshole and got over-cocky when he won, and QQ'd like mad when he loses. it just didnt help that zerg was OP at that time. so yes, the community does indeed have reason to hate him for being a prick.
no1 calls violet or leenock or drg a patchzerg when they did gglord/infestor/spine turtle back in 2012. the hate on sniper isn't really real "hate", people were just frustrated. I think the majority of the community probably have respect for him as a player even though they were really pissed off at him winning GSL
edit: lolok
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On March 09 2013 00:25 AhOhitzXray wrote:
JR is the definition of bad zerg players getting great results because of the patch. I would be surprised if anyone picks him up. The only one who has stayed reasonably on top, after they broke out due to the patch is Scarlett. But I'll keep faith just for the sake that anything can happen when Hots comes out so it is possible that he could make a come back, not likely but possible.
You see, this is one on the people who are jumping the hate-wagon I talked about. He claims JonnyR is a talentless scrub, but provides no evidence to back this up. Then says that the only really good player is Scarlett, but doesn’t say why. Just jumping on what is considered to be “fact” and assuming people will agree with their claims.
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inb4 JRecco outperforms all of dignitas at i48 in 2weeks
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Northern Ireland25448 Posts
@Spiral WATCH people play, make judgement. Pretty simple. Nothing inconsistent about it. Scarlett has exceptional mechanics, it's patently obvious other players don't (this isn't aimed at JRecco incidentally). WATCH them. It's like claiming Elfi is just as good as some other foreign Protoss players when he was having equivalent results, when it's apparent within a few games of watching him play that he isn't.
Zergs did what was good at the time, certain Zergs are now falling off that that style doesn't work. It's not some anti-Zerg conspiracy we don't 'hate' Zergs. I've been loving Ret's play and Violet's play in the recent IEM, good Zerg players will regain some of their identity if the race functions better in WoL. If JRecco is good, so will he.
I hate players being bashed unnecessarily, but equally I hate this blindness to the state of Zerg towards the end of WoL when it WAS a complete joke of a race. HoTS has me hopeful for the future though 
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On March 09 2013 00:38 peidongyang wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 00:30 Plansix wrote:On March 09 2013 00:22 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 09 2013 00:17 Plansix wrote:On March 09 2013 00:06 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 09 2013 00:04 Pwnzer wrote:
This entire thread is a shithole and everyone is contributing. More than half of it isn't even commenting on what the thread was intended to discuss, I'm actually surprised there isn't a mod note yet.
Good Luck JRecc in finding a new team. Hopefully we get a statement from Dignitas soon so we can actually get two sides to the story. Is it not natural progression for people to speculate on why he wasn't renewed for another contract? Of course, but that doesn’t mean everyone should be a jerk about it. I personally hate the term “patch-zerg” because its thrown around for almost every zerg in the scene at this point. Even BitbyBitPrime didn’t get this much hate in the era of GomTvT, and he was the scrub of scrubs. I don’t know much about JonnyR, but a lot of the stuff in this thread is totally unwarranted and just people jumping on the hate-wagon. Dude BitByBit was legendary, the fact that people even still bring him up shows just how much hate he received rofl. I actually kind of miss seeing his much maligned scv/marine allins every single game. Artosis' jokes on him were just epic. Agreed though, I guess people could be a little less harsh on jonnyr. Everyone loved BitbyBit, if only how amusing it was to watch him to the same thing over and over. He alone was proof that close positions were totally busted in all ways. Oh close positions on Metaloplis, how I loved you justifying me going one base colossi every game. I will never defend the era of the “ggLords + winfestors”, but the hate in the community towards zerg players got way out of control. A lot of these players didn’t do anything and likely didn’t like building 25 infestors per game, but it as how the game was at the time. The community needs really clamp down on that stuff and not blame the player for playing the game they are presented with. Unless they are an ass-hat about it. Then we can hate on them for being an ass-hat. I agree completely with this Suppy does the same thing all the other "patchzergs" did but he isn't a ass and plays to win. jrecco was basically an asshole and got over-cocky when he won, and QQ'd like mad when he loses. it just didnt help that zerg was OP at that time. so yes, the community does indeed have reason to hate him for being a prick. no1 calls violet or leenock or drg a patchzerg when they did gglord/infestor/spine turtle back in 2012. the hate on sniper isn't really real "hate", people were just frustrated. I think the majority of the community probably have respect for him as a player even though they were really pissed off at him winning GSL edit: lolok
So what about snute. One of the nicest most modest and well spoken pro gamers with so many results. But he is a patchzerg to many. The commonality between the people who get accused and who dont of being a patchzerg is one thing. They are euros. It has nothing to do with either skill or personality.
A lot of ppl dont follow the euro scene so they think these people like bly or snute came out of nowhere. But they have actually more results than people believe and were sround for a long time grinding it out in the euro scene before improving. Like snute has won more tournaments since hsc than suppy or scarlett have won ever. But he has slumped right? Patchzerg gonna patch. Because people dont follow the euro scene.
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On March 09 2013 00:25 AhOhitzXray wrote:
JR is the definition of bad zerg players getting great results because of the patch. I would be surprised if anyone picks him up. The only one who has stayed reasonably on top, after they broke out due to the patch is Scarlett. But I'll keep faith just for the sake that anything can happen when Hots comes out so it is possible that he could make a come back, not likely but possible.
im pretty sure you and almost 95% of the ppl here talking shit about him cant even remember a single game of him.
you have absolutly no clue what style he plays and just agree with the gerenal opinion, that is based on players like Naniwa Idra or whoever talking shit on him.
keep it going...
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Northern Ireland25448 Posts
Go, watch, him, play.
I'm from the UK, do you think I wouldn't take an interest in a British player with a growing reputation and watch his games?
Fuck all to do with 'not knowing the Euro scene'.
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On March 09 2013 00:48 Wombat_NI wrote:@Spiral WATCH people play, make judgement. Pretty simple. Nothing inconsistent about it. Scarlett has exceptional mechanics, it's patently obvious other players don't (this isn't aimed at JRecco incidentally). WATCH them. It's like claiming Elfi is just as good as some other foreign Protoss players when he was having equivalent results, when it's apparent within a few games of watching him play that he isn't. Zergs did what was good at the time, certain Zergs are now falling off that that style doesn't work. It's not some anti-Zerg conspiracy we don't 'hate' Zergs. I've been loving Ret's play and Violet's play in the recent IEM, good Zerg players will regain some of their identity if the race functions better in WoL. If JRecco is good, so will he. I hate players being bashed unnecessarily, but equally I hate this blindness to the state of Zerg towards the end of WoL when it WAS a complete joke of a race. HoTS has me hopeful for the future though
But people dont watch thats the point as this thread indicates!!
Jrecco did not just turtle to infestor bl at all. He has good mechanics. Scarlett turtled her face off to get to late game loads but shes different. Why? Because you say so...
Ok but its just not a very strong argument.
Your elfi point shows this. Elfi was good. One of the best foreign protoss. You have an extreme bias towards mythical mechanical ability and dont understand what actually makes a good player.
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On March 09 2013 00:52 Wombat_NI wrote:
Go, watch, him, play.
I'm from the UK, do you think I wouldn't take an interest in a British player with a growing reputation and watch his games?
Fuck all to do with 'not knowing the Euro scene'.
How about this, rather than demanding that people go watch JonnyR play, you find some evidence to back up your claims that he is terrible. You seem to want to make the argument that he is bad, but then demand that other people seek out the information for themselves. If you are going to make the argument, back it up.
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Fredrik Reinius @dignitasNewmaN
So, who do we pick up for HotS? Suggestions?
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So they do have money.. no?
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On March 09 2013 00:52 Wombat_NI wrote:
Go, watch, him, play.
I'm from the UK, do you think I wouldn't take an interest in a British player with a growing reputation and watch his games?
Fuck all to do with 'not knowing the Euro scene'.
The guy above you is a gm protoss and has played jrecco a lot. His opinion is much more valuable than yours. You are just parroting on about your opinion with absolutely nothing whatsoever to back it up.
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Northern Ireland25448 Posts
Well I actually never said he was terrible, if people would read my posts, merely was defending the rights of others to have an opinion. If you want my actual opinion, his games showcase an extremely boring style which doesn't give Zerg players the ability to show their skillsets, and this was very much the case in the latter period of WoL.
He's young, and was part-time previously, so his strong period coincided with that era, but may not be linked at all. It may have been his going fulltime was what let him post results. Wait and see.
Ah Spiral so the good players can have more valid opinions. Ok. Idra's opinion of balance must > his then, because he's a noted pro player?
Anyway, done with this thread. Don't wish to derail. I got dragged into the patchzerg discussion against my better judgement.
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Boring style based in what though? You ask others to watch his games but do not yourself. He plays muta ling bling, infestorless all sorts of styles. Again a whole long post with no substance.
If a player who is in gm and has directly played that opponent many times does not have a more valid opinion than you based on your general vague allusions then my opinion on physics is as valid as stephen hawkings.
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On March 08 2013 10:40 Mansef wrote:
Irrelevant player leaves irrelevant team. Nothing to see here.
User was warned for this post
Gotta love TL where nerdlings throw around the word "irrelevant" like it's going out of fashion.
The hate towards specific players in un-called for in these threads. The stats and results speak for themselves with in the last year or so that Zergs have had an easier time breaking into the higher levels but that is no reason to point out or bad mouth certain players, we do not know for sure if some of these players have legitimately just improved.
Lets see what happens in HOTS, legit Zerg newcomers to pro level will be still be able to cut it where as the ones abusing the FOTM race will struggle to compete.
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On March 09 2013 01:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
Well I actually never said he was terrible, if people would read my posts, merely was defending the rights of others to have an opinion. If you want my actual opinion, his games showcase an extremely boring style which doesn't give Zerg players the ability to show their skillsets, and this was very much the case in the latter period of WoL.
He's young, and was part-time previously, so his strong period coincided with that era, but may not be linked at all. It may have been his going fulltime was what let him post results. Wait and see.
Ah Spiral so the good players can have more valid opinions. Ok. Idra's opinion of balance must > his then, because he's a noted pro player?
Anyway, done with this thread. Don't wish to derail. I got dragged into the patchzerg discussion against my better judgement.
I am going to call BS on this and say you did call him bad in the post below(which I read)
On March 08 2013 23:18 Wombat_NI wrote:
Come on Stevez, I know you hate the term patchzerg but really? As we argued the other day, I accepted that 'patchzerg' is often mis-applied to players who are actually good.
Look at Scarlett, top notch creep spread, decent control and spreading, good map awareness, solid macro.
Seriously, where does Recco actually show that he's a good player in terms of actual definable 'strengths'?
You might be correct, I am not sure, but you make zero effort to back up you claim that he is bad and just assume you can imply JonnyR is a “patchzerg” by demanding other people defend him. People are entitled to their opinions, but you need to back up an opinion with something if you are going to put it out there.
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Yeah the roster is looking in pretty bare but does an SC2 squad really need to be big? I mean I think that an SC2 squad with 5 members is a pretty solid number for a team. I mean why do you really need to have more than that unless every player on your roster produces amazing results than sure you would want to have as many top players as you can. But if you are just an average team with results every now and then I don't think your roster needs to be huge.
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On March 09 2013 00:15 GGDeMoN wrote:
JR isnt a Patchzerg, hes doing extremely well in hots and hes a solid player, he will continue to do well in the coming months.
And Cloud your not in a posistion to call him a patchzerg when your terrible at SC2!
Im not Cloud fan but he is not "terrible" at this game. Hes just struggling as any other non korean terrans do. He might not be top notch terr, but hes still pretty good, was pretty good at bw, and i rather watch 10 games of cloud than a single one turtle shit of JR tbh.
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I could see him going to clarity and moving to their team house
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