EPTLike to here Odee on that also.
edit : "to be called a patch zerg" and not "to be a patch zerg", of course :p (Thank you Grovbolle)
JonnyREcco Leaves Dignitas - Page 9
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Serimek
France2274 Posts
Like to here Odee on that also. edit : "to be called a patch zerg" and not "to be a patch zerg", of course :p (Thank you Grovbolle) | ||
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lordvnm
Germany45 Posts
On March 08 2013 18:42 Waxangel wrote: I'm more interested in these unfulfilled promises Yeah. Someone promised something to someone. Someone stops delivering results and someone isn't sure about the commitment anymore. Then someone wants (more) money from someone without posting any (at least slightly relevant) results and - out of the blue - someone just says "lol ok" about someone leaving some team. I wonder what went wrong here. Oh, wait. | ||
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Grovbolle
Denmark3804 Posts
On March 08 2013 21:24 Serimek wrote: JonnyREcco might be bm, right, but I don't think he deserved to be a patch zerg. Nevertheless, it might be hard for him to find a new team considering that we are in full transition toward HotS where zergs suffer. Like to here Odee on that also. He didn't deserve to be a patch-zerg? or be called a patch-zerg? | ||
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Lockitupv2
United States496 Posts
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JonIrenicus
Italy602 Posts
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Grovbolle
Denmark3804 Posts
On March 08 2013 21:46 JonIrenicus wrote: The fact is, I got reported, but I don't think my own opinion was expressed in a offensive manner. Should this be a forum where anyone can express his own opinion? I can call a noob even MVP if I wish so (even if it's my preferite player, so you know understand what I'm wishing to show you). I've just put the fact straight, but it seems like that there is no democracy inside this forum to say an opinion, or it can gets you a report for being offensive. Was I direct? Yes. Was I offensive? Maybe. If I had not called him patchzerg, and would have said that he did good just after the patch, would have it been equally offensive? What a great show this forum is. Thanks Teamliquid. From TL commandments You are our guests. We will make all attempts to treat everyone with due respect and to accommodate everyone's wishes as far as reasonably possible. But, this is a private site. We are not funded by any governments. This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness." We try of course, and that's why we're consistently considered one of the best gaming sites on the web, and you are always free to give us suggestions (Website Feedback Forum). But, we have our limits. If we don't like you, we simply ban you. This isn't a democracy, it's a dictatorship which gives you freedom of speech under their personal moral code and guidelines/rules, if you don't like it, go somewhere else. Edit: This is not a critique, I like it this way, I too have been banned once (or twice I don't recall) and warned a few times, and it made me consider my posting a lot more because I really like this forum and would hate to be banned again. | ||
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JazzNL
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JonIrenicus
Italy602 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33079 Posts
He stated that there were "quite a few things in the end" that made him leave, from contract issues to not receiving the help he was promised with setting up his stream. We have also learned that he was promised a contract with a small salary at ESWC which he "waited and waited for and never got" and when he asked about the contract again at the beginning of this year, everything was up in the air. depending on how this "promise" was made, that could either be really unethical of dignitas, or really poorly misunderstood by Jonnyrecco. Hopefully dignitas has something to say in this regard? | ||
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Grovbolle
Denmark3804 Posts
On March 08 2013 22:00 JonIrenicus wrote: nono, you misunderstood what I meant to say. My only critique was that If I had implied it, I wouldn't have been reported. But, by being direct, my post was labelled as offensive. As long as you weren't banned, you are just whining about people on the internet swinging their e-peen because they don't agree with you. Welcome to the internet  | ||
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SXGCoil
United States341 Posts
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Master of DalK
Canada1797 Posts
On March 08 2013 22:04 Waxangel wrote: depending on how this "promise" was made, that could either be really unethical of dignitas, or really poorly misunderstood by Jonnyrecco. Hopefully dignitas has something to say in this regard? Hopefully, but we haven't heard anything from dignitas as of yet =/ | ||
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Xpace
United States2209 Posts
On March 08 2013 20:41 Greendotz wrote: If what he said was true (that he was promised a salary) then whether he deserves it or not is irrelevant. He signed with Dignitas on the promise of that prospect, among other things that were allegedly not given to him. If he is in fact telling the truth then I don't see how you could possibly side with Dignitas' business behavior. Would like to hear their retort, if they believe Jonny's leaving statement warrants one, which it does, cause if it's not true it hurts their reputation, and if it is true they need to explain themselves. Since we're dealing with one side of the story, we tend to make assumptions based on our logic or experience, clouded in our opinions. One person might take the news at face value, and feel as if the player was wronged by his organization. Another person might feel the opposite. Speculation never really gets anywhere; at least that's my experience in threads like these. I'll share my thoughts anyway - I'm not sure any organization, team or managing entity would ever promise a player a certain amount of money or salary without conditions or incentive. It just isn't realistic to think that way. Dignitas has been around for a very long time; and they don't give off Eclypsia vibes. They just don't. On the other hand, we have a below-average foreigner, who has a reputation for BM. I'd like to add that I've never seen him BM (I don't really care for non-GSL/OSL Starcraft 2), but the fact that it's been brought up in the very first few comments about him says enough - imagine if I was a potential sponsor, and I'm looking into his out-of-game presentation value at this very moment. His games, on the other hand, I've seen a bit of. He's nothing special. He's not inspiring. He's mediocre at best, when looking at the pro-scene as a whole. He hasn't brought anything to SC2; he's no Vortix who always disappoints his haters, he's no Scarlett who's pretty darn good! He's no Spanishiwa (remember him?), the guy who gets gas at 15 minutes. Again, I don't know the full story; I'm waiting for a statement from Dignitas. At least for now, can we stop with the Patchzerg crap? That shit's older than Gangnam Style. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On March 08 2013 22:16 Master of DalK wrote: Hopefully, but we haven't heard anything from dignitas as of yet =/ Newman tweeted the following things: 6 hrs Fredrik Reinius Fredrik Reinius @dignitasNewmaN Wow, gotta love the smell of bullshit in the morning. 5 hrs Fredrik Reinius Fredrik Reinius @dignitasNewmaN So, who do we pick up for HotS? Suggestions? 1hr Fredrik Reinius @dignitasNewmaN The irony of reading an ethics in esports journalism column on esplanet. | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On March 08 2013 22:12 Brawny wrote: Fuck...this thread is like a bug zapper. lol so true. | ||
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rezzan
Sweden329 Posts
hopefully they get their stuff together and ready for hots! that be cool, need more "new" players there | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On March 08 2013 18:13 Greendotz wrote: Seems to be a common occurrence, I remember in the thread mentioning his signing there were a lot of pros talking about his BM as well. Also when I've been watching other peoples streams (DeMuslim and TLO's to name a couple) whenever he lost he'd never leave the game with a gg, just a sarcastic comment. If it is all true, (which it probably is judging by the sheer number of people mentioning it, no smoke without fire) then he'll have a hard time improving from a team anyway. Sure maybe they'll cover his travel and stuff, but he mentioned something about going to a team house? Would you want to practice/help a guy who constantly throws a temper tantrum every time you beat him? Mmm-hmm I'm fine with the whole 'call patch zerg and get temp ban' thing, I get why they do it, but finding it really hard to respect that rule when others are clearly exempt from it. If you want to see cloud banned, report him, if you cannot report, spend enough time on TL until you can. People frequently forget that access to TL is a privilege and not a right, this is not a democracy. | ||
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ODKStevez
Ireland1225 Posts
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MepHiii
Poland191 Posts
On March 08 2013 22:48 ODKStevez wrote: Apollo left too? Michael O'Dell @dignitasODEE TL people come wtf my friend @ApolloSC2 did not leave us he evolved into a World Class commentator with our full support! Friends for life! | ||
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Sabre
United Kingdom1086 Posts
On March 08 2013 22:19 StarVe wrote: Newman tweeted the following things: rather than just ranting at esplanet why don't Dignitas come out with their own story?.... | ||
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