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nimdil
Poland3747 Posts
On March 08 2013 18:42 Waxangel wrote: I'm more interested in these unfulfilled promises This actually looks like one side of the story. They might said something a lot more vague, and he took it as a promise. | ||
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Nekovivie
United Kingdom2599 Posts
Success! Seriously TL, can't you be happy someone had success without belittling their achievements? | ||
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spalding
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EnzoOL
Ukraine3 Posts
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splasha
Brazil86 Posts
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
Personally, I get much more frustrated and annoyed when older and established players act that way. Also, seeming everyone seems so fascinated with the term "patchzerg". Let me just point out a lot of the people using it are being arbitrarily selective. It seems "patchzerg" rather than being related to a certain playstyle now refers to "any zerg that became stronger after the infamous patch that I don't like". I actually don't think Dignitas' position was wrong, personally I don't think in the shape he's in Jrecco should be getting a salary. But I'm very disappointed with how people are conducting themselves in this thread. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On March 08 2013 19:50 Nekovivie wrote: Ctrl+F "patchzerg" Success! Seriously TL, can't you be happy someone had success without belittling their achievements? You're asking if a group of hundreds of thousands of people can share your view on the relevance of zerg wins. No. | ||
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herMan
Japan2053 Posts
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
Naniwa must be secretly (or not) smiling now. | ||
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
On March 08 2013 20:14 Martijn wrote: I actually don't think Dignitas' position was wrong, personally I don't think in the shape he's in Jrecco should be getting a salary. But I'm very disappointed with how people are conducting themselves in this thread. If what he said was true (that he was promised a salary) then whether he deserves it or not is irrelevant. He signed with Dignitas on the promise of that prospect, among other things that were allegedly not given to him. If he is in fact telling the truth then I don't see how you could possibly side with Dignitas' business behavior. Would like to hear their retort, if they believe Jonny's leaving statement warrants one, which it does, cause if it's not true it hurts their reputation, and if it is true they need to explain themselves. | ||
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Gemini_sc2
Norway69 Posts
The part about Dignitas scares me, and I hope they don't follow the steps of other teams who drop more/all of their SC2 division. | ||
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UmbraaeternuS
Chile476 Posts
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E.L.V.I.S
Belgium458 Posts
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Mecto
Canada41 Posts
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JonIrenicus
Italy602 Posts
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cYaN
Norway3322 Posts
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Grovbolle
Denmark3804 Posts
On March 08 2013 18:44 trada wrote: If that were even remotely the case and Zerg required no skill then all the pro players would switch to that race but they didnt. Are you not reading what I am saying? I am not saying that patch zerg is a thing, but since you want to debate, let's look on some of the so called patch zergs. SortOf and JR have really big increases in level AFTER may 10. Vortix' rise is in the summer (he didn't play much before because of school etc.) I am not saying that these players aren't good or anything, I am just saying that there is some truth behind the term when foreigners could beat what most perceived as much better koreans in non-mirror match-ups. Snute has been on a rise in general, although his biggest increase in ranking also happened after the patch. And no, all professional players wouldn't switch race, now you are just being silly. http://aligulac.com/players/52-VortiX/ http://aligulac.com/players/75-SortOf/ http://aligulac.com/players/165-JonnyREcco/ http://aligulac.com/players/111-Snute/ TL:DR : Is patch-zerg a thing? It lies in your definition of the word, and whether or not you choose to use it in a derogative manner. But most people use it negatively, just like some people use gay or jew as a slur. | ||
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convention
United States622 Posts
On March 08 2013 20:59 E.L.V.I.S wrote: You guys call him a patchzerg but have you really looked closely to one of his replay (I did more than once lol) ? Because even though zerg patch might have help him (it helped every single zerg player right ?), he is a good player, with good mechanics ... I think most people (myself included) have only really seen his EGMC games and his TSL games. In every single one of those games, he does exactly the same build every single time: turtle to infestor broodlord and mass spines. He did this at a time where everyone were starting to realize how easy and powerful that was (right after the queen patch). And he did this at a time that everyone hated the fact that mediocre zergs were having huge success against everyone doing that sort of play style. And his mechanics were not good, he would routinely a-move his entire BL/infestor army to deal with a 1 medivac drop. He played a playstyle that was considered OP by everyone. He played it in a way that no one wanted to watch and everyone hated (65 minute games where he would just never attack, ever. He wouldn't harass, he wouldn't do anything. He would win because the other person gg'd without JRecco every attacking: see beastyqt vs. JRecco on EGMC). Then he lost relevance once people started figuring out how to somewhat punish that turtle strategy. On top of all of that, he was really BM and every loss would be followed by how weak zerg is. He even posted in balance threads about how zerg is the weakest race still, post queen patch. | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On March 08 2013 20:41 Greendotz wrote: If what he said was true (that he was promised a salary) then whether he deserves it or not is irrelevant. He signed with Dignitas on the promise of that prospect, among other things that were allegedly not given to him. If he is in fact telling the truth then I don't see how you could possibly side with Dignitas' business behavior. Would like to hear their retort, if they believe Jonny's leaving statement warrants one, which it does, cause if it's not true it hurts their reputation, and if it is true they need to explain themselves. Problem with all this is, we'll never know exactly what was promised. Even if a manager says "if you keep going like this, we'll offer you a salary next year", did that player keep up performance? Was he expected to keep growing and becoming stronger, keep a positive line going? And that's if a promise was even made, for all we know is it was "yeah, we'll look into it start of 2013". This is all really muddied up, so I think we're better off reasoning what should have been, not what was and wasn't said. | ||
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Zvenn3n
Sweden1196 Posts
Michael O'Dell @dignitasODEE TL people come wtf my friend @ApolloSC2 did not leave us he evolved into a World Class commentator with our full support! Friends for life! Also, GL to JR with finding a team, although if he was really BM in-game, that might be rough. | ||
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