Just because I think this thread is really one-sided, to push back a little bit against some of the hate; for a long time Jrecco was considered a huge talent. He's very young and young players often suffer from character challenges. If he can mature well as a talent and as a person, he could make waves again. This will be a big test for him and where he ends up, how they train him and how he's expected to conduct himself will hugely influence his future as a progamer.

Personally, I get much more frustrated and annoyed when older and established players act that way.

Also, seeming everyone seems so fascinated with the term "patchzerg". Let me just point out a lot of the people using it are being arbitrarily selective. It seems "patchzerg" rather than being related to a certain playstyle now refers to "any zerg that became stronger after the infamous patch that I don't like".

I actually don't think Dignitas' position was wrong, personally I don't think in the shape he's in Jrecco should be getting a salary. But I'm very disappointed with how people are conducting themselves in this thread.

Kennigit

Canada19447 Posts

March 08 2013 11:31 GMT

#147

On March 08 2013 19:50 Nekovivie wrote:
Ctrl+F "patchzerg"

Success!

Seriously TL, can't you be happy someone had success without belittling their achievements?

You're asking if a group of hundreds of thousands of people can share your view on the relevance of zerg wins.

No.

herMan

Japan2053 Posts

March 08 2013 11:35 GMT

#148

Keeping a thousand zergs on the roster ain't so hot anymore, I can understand the urge to shave a few off. I'm just disgusted by the fact that a lot of teams opted to recruit zergs last year, leaving the other races' potential players without a team.

Psychobabas

2531 Posts

March 08 2013 11:40 GMT

#149

Did he do anything after TSL4? 3rd place UK WCS is like 3rd place at local LAN party.

Naniwa must be secretly (or not) smiling now.

Greendotz

United Kingdom2053 Posts

March 08 2013 11:41 GMT

#150

On March 08 2013 20:14 Martijn wrote:

I actually don't think Dignitas' position was wrong, personally I don't think in the shape he's in Jrecco should be getting a salary. But I'm very disappointed with how people are conducting themselves in this thread.

If what he said was true (that he was promised a salary) then whether he deserves it or not is irrelevant. He signed with Dignitas on the promise of that prospect, among other things that were allegedly not given to him. If he is in fact telling the truth then I don't see how you could possibly side with Dignitas' business behavior. Would like to hear their retort, if they believe Jonny's leaving statement warrants one, which it does, cause if it's not true it hurts their reputation, and if it is true they need to explain themselves.

Gemini_sc2

Norway69 Posts

March 08 2013 11:48 GMT

#151

Good luck to Paul, hope he finds a new team!
The part about Dignitas scares me, and I hope they don't follow the steps of other teams who drop more/all of their SC2 division.

UmbraaeternuS

Chile476 Posts

March 08 2013 11:56 GMT

#152

Ok, I can understand johnnyrecco leaving. Unfulfilled promises and whatnot. But let's be honest, the guy never shone that much. More importantly. when did Apollo leave Dignitas? I haven´t seen a news piece anywhere about Shaun parting ways with them :/

E.L.V.I.S

Belgium458 Posts

March 08 2013 11:59 GMT

#153

You guys call him a patchzerg but have you really looked closely to one of his replay (I did more than once lol) ? Because even though zerg patch might have help him (it helped every single zerg player right ?), he is a good player, with good mechanics ...

Mecto

Canada41 Posts

March 08 2013 12:11 GMT

#154

K.

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JonIrenicus

Italy602 Posts

March 08 2013 12:12 GMT

#155

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cYaN

Norway3322 Posts

March 08 2013 12:14 GMT

#156

Hmmm, interesting this about salary and promises. Lets hope we get some more info on that.

Grovbolle

Denmark3804 Posts

March 08 2013 12:14 GMT

#157

On March 08 2013 18:44 trada wrote:

Show nested quote +

If that were even remotely the case and Zerg required no skill then all the pro players would switch to that race but they didnt.

Are you not reading what I am saying? I am not saying that patch zerg is a thing, but since you want to debate, let's look on some of the so called patch zergs. SortOf and JR have really big increases in level AFTER may 10. Vortix' rise is in the summer (he didn't play much before because of school etc.) I am not saying that these players aren't good or anything, I am just saying that there is some truth behind the term when foreigners could beat what most perceived as much better koreans in non-mirror match-ups. Snute has been on a rise in general, although his biggest increase in ranking also happened after the patch.
And no, all professional players wouldn't switch race, now you are just being silly.

http://aligulac.com/players/52-VortiX/
http://aligulac.com/players/75-SortOf/
http://aligulac.com/players/165-JonnyREcco/
http://aligulac.com/players/111-Snute/

TL:DR : Is patch-zerg a thing? It lies in your definition of the word, and whether or not you choose to use it in a derogative manner. But most people use it negatively, just like some people use gay or jew as a slur.

convention

United States622 Posts

March 08 2013 12:18 GMT

#158

On March 08 2013 20:59 E.L.V.I.S wrote:
You guys call him a patchzerg but have you really looked closely to one of his replay (I did more than once lol) ? Because even though zerg patch might have help him (it helped every single zerg player right ?), he is a good player, with good mechanics ...

I think most people (myself included) have only really seen his EGMC games and his TSL games. In every single one of those games, he does exactly the same build every single time: turtle to infestor broodlord and mass spines. He did this at a time where everyone were starting to realize how easy and powerful that was (right after the queen patch). And he did this at a time that everyone hated the fact that mediocre zergs were having huge success against everyone doing that sort of play style. And his mechanics were not good, he would routinely a-move his entire BL/infestor army to deal with a 1 medivac drop.

He played a playstyle that was considered OP by everyone. He played it in a way that no one wanted to watch and everyone hated (65 minute games where he would just never attack, ever. He wouldn't harass, he wouldn't do anything. He would win because the other person gg'd without JRecco every attacking: see beastyqt vs. JRecco on EGMC). Then he lost relevance once people started figuring out how to somewhat punish that turtle strategy. On top of all of that, he was really BM and every loss would be followed by how weak zerg is. He even posted in balance threads about how zerg is the weakest race still, post queen patch.

Martijn

Netherlands1219 Posts

March 08 2013 12:21 GMT

#159

On March 08 2013 20:41 Greendotz wrote:

Show nested quote +

Problem with all this is, we'll never know exactly what was promised. Even if a manager says "if you keep going like this, we'll offer you a salary next year", did that player keep up performance? Was he expected to keep growing and becoming stronger, keep a positive line going? And that's if a promise was even made, for all we know is it was "yeah, we'll look into it start of 2013".

This is all really muddied up, so I think we're better off reasoning what should have been, not what was and wasn't said.

Zvenn3n

Sweden1196 Posts

March 08 2013 12:22 GMT

#160

For those confused about Apollo, calm your beards. ODEE tweeted this earlier today:

Michael O'Dell ‏@dignitasODEE
TL people come wtf my friend @ApolloSC2 did not leave us he evolved into a World Class commentator with our full support! Friends for life!

Also, GL to JR with finding a team, although if he was really BM in-game, that might be rough.