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On March 08 2013 10:16 Champi wrote:Show nested quote +
I actually really like this guy.. he made a big splash closer to half a year ago now and hasn't been in the spotlight much since then but I'm still really interested to see where he goes. Seemed like a Zerg with real promise / potential from the first I saw of his play.
really?... he just seemed like the biggest of patch zergs to me lol. still... im very worried about dignitas sc2 division, im pretty sure theres only 2 or 3 players left now, and i wouldnt be surprised to hear them leave or get dropped soon and have the sc2 division close down altogether  User was warned for this post
He was not a patch zerg at all. I don't even agree with that phrase. I seen him play at Insomnia and he never even used infestors.
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On March 08 2013 22:51 ODKStevez wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 10:16 Champi wrote:
I actually really like this guy.. he made a big splash closer to half a year ago now and hasn't been in the spotlight much since then but I'm still really interested to see where he goes. Seemed like a Zerg with real promise / potential from the first I saw of his play.
really?... he just seemed like the biggest of patch zergs to me lol. still... im very worried about dignitas sc2 division, im pretty sure theres only 2 or 3 players left now, and i wouldnt be surprised to hear them leave or get dropped soon and have the sc2 division close down altogether User was warned for this post He was not a patch zerg at all. I don't even agree with that phrase. I seen him play at Insomnia and he never even used infestors.
The power of infestors still has adverse effects on the metagame even if a player doesn't use it.
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On March 08 2013 22:51 ODKStevez wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 10:16 Champi wrote:
I actually really like this guy.. he made a big splash closer to half a year ago now and hasn't been in the spotlight much since then but I'm still really interested to see where he goes. Seemed like a Zerg with real promise / potential from the first I saw of his play.
really?... he just seemed like the biggest of patch zergs to me lol. still... im very worried about dignitas sc2 division, im pretty sure theres only 2 or 3 players left now, and i wouldnt be surprised to hear them leave or get dropped soon and have the sc2 division close down altogether User was warned for this post He was not a patch zerg at all. I don't even agree with that phrase. I seen him play at Insomnia and he never even used infestors.
If you got in a fight with someone and you knew they had a huge right hook... they haven't thrown it yet, but you know they could... would you still be wary of it and respect it?
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On March 08 2013 10:33 Lumi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 10:16 Champi wrote:
really?... he just seemed like the biggest of patch zergs to me lol.
( I could maybe see that now more-so now with the lack of results being posted, but, he was really taking on some top players (koreans included) for a minute there and IIRC they were pretty legit games not reflective of patch zerginess. I'm a top master zerg myself and I pride myself on my zerg talent scouting! I knew from the first of DRGs broadcast games that the future of Z had arrived, that no Z like him had been seen thus far in the game. And again with Stephano, before he won anything! I'd like to throw the weight of my zerg talent scouting behind Johnny as a valid zerg with some potential. Or such was the distinct impression that was made on me a while back :o Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 10:27 StarVe wrote:
Dignitas dropping Zergs as soon as they can to get ready for HotS. LOL!
wow you are such a cool person someone should give you a job damn...
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On March 08 2013 23:00 philip697 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 22:51 ODKStevez wrote:On March 08 2013 10:16 Champi wrote:
I actually really like this guy.. he made a big splash closer to half a year ago now and hasn't been in the spotlight much since then but I'm still really interested to see where he goes. Seemed like a Zerg with real promise / potential from the first I saw of his play.
really?... he just seemed like the biggest of patch zergs to me lol. still... im very worried about dignitas sc2 division, im pretty sure theres only 2 or 3 players left now, and i wouldnt be surprised to hear them leave or get dropped soon and have the sc2 division close down altogether User was warned for this post He was not a patch zerg at all. I don't even agree with that phrase. I seen him play at Insomnia and he never even used infestors. If you got in a fight with someone and you knew they had a huge right hook... they haven't thrown it yet, but you know they could... would you still be wary of it and respect it?
every zerg player in the world has the ability to make infestors...does that make them all patchzergs then?
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Come on Stevez, I know you hate the term patchzerg but really? As we argued the other day, I accepted that 'patchzerg' is often mis-applied to players who are actually good.
Look at Scarlett, top notch creep spread, decent control and spreading, good map awareness, solid macro.
Seriously, where does Recco actually show that he's a good player in terms of actual definable 'strengths'?
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On March 08 2013 23:16 Sabre wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 23:00 philip697 wrote:On March 08 2013 22:51 ODKStevez wrote:On March 08 2013 10:16 Champi wrote:
I actually really like this guy.. he made a big splash closer to half a year ago now and hasn't been in the spotlight much since then but I'm still really interested to see where he goes. Seemed like a Zerg with real promise / potential from the first I saw of his play.
really?... he just seemed like the biggest of patch zergs to me lol. still... im very worried about dignitas sc2 division, im pretty sure theres only 2 or 3 players left now, and i wouldnt be surprised to hear them leave or get dropped soon and have the sc2 division close down altogether User was warned for this post He was not a patch zerg at all. I don't even agree with that phrase. I seen him play at Insomnia and he never even used infestors. If you got in a fight with someone and you knew they had a huge right hook... they haven't thrown it yet, but you know they could... would you still be wary of it and respect it? every zerg player in the world has the ability to make infestors...does that make them all patchzergs then?
No but it sure gives them an extra advantage. Also, when something is OP to the point it controls the metagame, it also severely limits creativity for the other races. Maybe there are all these different builds that, for example, Terran players could use, but the threat of infestors is so large that they have to focus completely on dealing with that instead of exploring other options.
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On March 08 2013 23:18 Wombat_NI wrote:
Come on Stevez, I know you hate the term patchzerg but really? As we argued the other day, I accepted that 'patchzerg' is often mis-applied to players who are actually good.
Look at Scarlett, top notch creep spread, decent control and spreading, good map awareness, solid macro.
Seriously, where does Recco actually show that he's a good player in terms of actual definable 'strengths'?
All the people it applies to are actually good with absolut no exceptions which have been pointed out so far. Thats the point. There is absolutely no difference whatsoever between scarlett and other so called patchzergs. She somehow gets away with it though because she isnt European. If scarlett is not a patchzerg then there absolutely cannot be such a thing. Even snute gets accused and look how many online tournaments and lans he has won. His accomplishments dwarf scarletts.
Jrecco is second highest ranked foreigner gm zerg on hots ladder. Sure the patch helped him but it helped all zergs but he was still a solid gm euro zerg long before the patch regularly besting top players on ladder. And he certainly did not infestor turtle exclusively that is utter hogwash.
Better to be accused of being a patchzerg than being a hopeless delusional pro like cloud I suppose.
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On March 08 2013 22:51 ODKStevez wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 10:16 Champi wrote:
I actually really like this guy.. he made a big splash closer to half a year ago now and hasn't been in the spotlight much since then but I'm still really interested to see where he goes. Seemed like a Zerg with real promise / potential from the first I saw of his play.
really?... he just seemed like the biggest of patch zergs to me lol. still... im very worried about dignitas sc2 division, im pretty sure theres only 2 or 3 players left now, and i wouldnt be surprised to hear them leave or get dropped soon and have the sc2 division close down altogether User was warned for this post He was not a patch zerg at all. I don't even agree with that phrase. I seen him play at Insomnia and he never even used infestors.
Most progamers seem to agree to Jrecco being one of the biggest "patchzergs" (heard it in many interviews and on many streams).
I heavily disagree with that.
While he became relevent just when the race itself got better overall, his playstayle was very different to the "brofestor" only style. he played agressive and very creative, with good mechanics and understanding of the game.
Best of luck to JohnnyRecco, hope to hear more of him soon, was a bit silent around him in the last 3-4 months.
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Hope he finds a nice team would be nice for the UK fan base, considering compared to other bigger EU country's it's slim pickings.
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This entire thread is a shithole and everyone is contributing. More than half of it isn't even commenting on what the thread was intended to discuss, I'm actually surprised there isn't a mod note yet.
Good Luck JRecc in finding a new team. Hopefully we get a statement from Dignitas soon so we can actually get two sides to the story.
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On March 09 2013 00:04 Pwnzer wrote:
This entire thread is a shithole and everyone is contributing. More than half of it isn't even commenting on what the thread was intended to discuss, I'm actually surprised there isn't a mod note yet.
Good Luck JRecc in finding a new team. Hopefully we get a statement from Dignitas soon so we can actually get two sides to the story.
Is it not natural progression for people to speculate on why he wasn't renewed for another contract?
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On March 08 2013 12:22 LeeDawg wrote:
is the term 'patchzerg' warn worthy now?
Specially with this being one of the most popular and accepted threads in months:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385876
I guess the same mod who is warning using "the word" should run and close that thread.
Ontipic, i really hope Dignitas get back in shape with a nice Sc2 lineup.
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On March 09 2013 00:06 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 00:04 Pwnzer wrote:
This entire thread is a shithole and everyone is contributing. More than half of it isn't even commenting on what the thread was intended to discuss, I'm actually surprised there isn't a mod note yet.
Good Luck JRecc in finding a new team. Hopefully we get a statement from Dignitas soon so we can actually get two sides to the story. Is it not natural progression for people to speculate on why he wasn't renewed for another contract?
Apparently not. That said it did appear to be his call, from what I gather.
Just checked Dignitas' current roster, and wow it's really withering away to nothing. Hoping they can pick up some solid names sometime soon. If not, I'd like to see some kind of 'development squad' for talented UK players. It's monstrously hard for many of us to get noticed, especially if the UK based teams are currently downsizing by the looks of it.
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JR isnt a Patchzerg, hes doing extremely well in hots and hes a solid player, he will continue to do well in the coming months.
And Cloud your not in a posistion to call him a patchzerg when your terrible at SC2!
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On March 09 2013 00:06 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 00:04 Pwnzer wrote:
This entire thread is a shithole and everyone is contributing. More than half of it isn't even commenting on what the thread was intended to discuss, I'm actually surprised there isn't a mod note yet.
Good Luck JRecc in finding a new team. Hopefully we get a statement from Dignitas soon so we can actually get two sides to the story. Is it not natural progression for people to speculate on why he wasn't renewed for another contract?
Of course, but that doesn’t mean everyone should be a jerk about it. I personally hate the term “patch-zerg” because its thrown around for almost every zerg in the scene at this point. Even BitbyBitPrime didn’t get this much hate in the era of GomTvT, and he was the scrub of scrubs. I don’t know much about JonnyR, but a lot of the stuff in this thread is totally unwarranted and just people jumping on the hate-wagon.
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Being Zerg/player skill had 100% nothing to do with this decision.
Surely "patchzerg" would only apply to players that were only good because of patch. JRecco was 2nd highest zerg GM in HoTS iirc?
Different game, same skill.
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On March 09 2013 00:17 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 00:06 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 09 2013 00:04 Pwnzer wrote:
This entire thread is a shithole and everyone is contributing. More than half of it isn't even commenting on what the thread was intended to discuss, I'm actually surprised there isn't a mod note yet.
Good Luck JRecc in finding a new team. Hopefully we get a statement from Dignitas soon so we can actually get two sides to the story. Is it not natural progression for people to speculate on why he wasn't renewed for another contract? Of course, but that doesn’t mean everyone should be a jerk about it. I personally hate the term “patch-zerg” because its thrown around for almost every zerg in the scene at this point. Even BitbyBitPrime didn’t get this much hate in the era of GomTvT, and he was the scrub of scrubs. I don’t know much about JonnyR, but a lot of the stuff in this thread is totally unwarranted and just people jumping on the hate-wagon.
Dude BitByBit was legendary, the fact that people even still bring him up shows just how much hate he received rofl. I actually kind of miss seeing his much maligned scv/marine allins every single game. Artosis' jokes on him were just epic.
Agreed though, I guess people could be a little less harsh on jonnyr.
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JR is the definition of bad zerg players getting great results because of the patch. I would be surprised if anyone picks him up. The only one who has stayed reasonably on top, after they broke out due to the patch is Scarlett. But I'll keep faith just for the sake that anything can happen when Hots comes out so it is possible that he could make a come back, not likely but possible.
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On March 09 2013 00:22 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 00:17 Plansix wrote:On March 09 2013 00:06 AnomalySC2 wrote:On March 09 2013 00:04 Pwnzer wrote:
This entire thread is a shithole and everyone is contributing. More than half of it isn't even commenting on what the thread was intended to discuss, I'm actually surprised there isn't a mod note yet.
Good Luck JRecc in finding a new team. Hopefully we get a statement from Dignitas soon so we can actually get two sides to the story. Is it not natural progression for people to speculate on why he wasn't renewed for another contract? Of course, but that doesn’t mean everyone should be a jerk about it. I personally hate the term “patch-zerg” because its thrown around for almost every zerg in the scene at this point. Even BitbyBitPrime didn’t get this much hate in the era of GomTvT, and he was the scrub of scrubs. I don’t know much about JonnyR, but a lot of the stuff in this thread is totally unwarranted and just people jumping on the hate-wagon. Dude BitByBit was legendary, the fact that people even still bring him up shows just how much hate he received rofl. I actually kind of miss seeing his much maligned scv/marine allins every single game. Artosis' jokes on him were just epic. Agreed though, I guess people could be a little less harsh on jonnyr.
Everyone loved BitbyBit, if only how amusing it was to watch him to the same thing over and over. He alone was proof that close positions were totally busted in all ways. Oh close positions on Metaloplis, how I loved you justifying me going one base colossi every game.
I will never defend the era of the “ggLords + winfestors”, but the hate in the community towards zerg players got way out of control. A lot of these players didn’t do anything and likely didn’t like building 25 infestors per game, but it as how the game was at the time. The community needs really clamp down on that stuff and not blame the player for playing the game they are presented with.
Unless they are an ass-hat about it. Then we can hate on them for being an ass-hat.
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