IGN to "simplify, focus"; wants to sell IPL - Page 14

On February 23 2013 01:21 T.O.P. wrote:

Catspajamas isn't management. He doesn't make the decisions. He's gonna keep producing content until management tells him they're moving in another direction. I think IPL will continue to run until they exhausted their search for a buyer.

On February 23 2013 02:37 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

you do some fine work as a caster and on air personality.

unless you are personally going to underwrite IPLs losses then this situation is out of your control.
you may be able to report on the results faster than "outsiders".
but, it not like you can determine the future direction of league whose losses ZD is unwilling to fund.

IPL is bleeding badly.
this is why ZD is not interested. if IPL were making billions then ZD would find a way to incude it in their "vision of the future".

On February 23 2013 02:37 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

you do some fine work as a caster and on air personality.

unless you are personally going to underwrite IPLs losses then this situation is out of your control.
you may be able to report on the results faster than "outsiders".
but, it not like you can determine the future direction of league whose losses ZD is unwilling to fund.

IPL is bleeding badly.
this is why ZD is not interested. if IPL were making billions then ZD would find a way to incude it in their "vision of the future".

On February 23 2013 02:55 Nuclease wrote:
Why is everyone freaking out about this? Calm down people, it's one large company in eSPORTs. They still want to cover eSPORTs, and IPL could very well end up in better hands.

Let's not start writing the eulogies for SC2 quite yet.

On February 23 2013 02:55 Nuclease wrote:
Why is everyone freaking out about this? Calm down people, it's one large company in eSPORTs. They still want to cover eSPORTs, and IPL could very well end up in better hands.

Let's not start writing the eulogies for SC2 quite yet.

On February 22 2013 15:14 Cygoris wrote:



I was thinking about your team and Azubu's as the last SC2 positive news, but for the birth of your team we lost OGS, Slayers, Check6, MTW just to name the few I remember, we all know Dignitas is in the red, Complexity is closing its gaming house and the list goes on and on.
Quantic rebirth is just a merger, you can say Quantic is reborn but you can also say Its Gosu died.
These are hard facts that aren't based on some teenage doom's day prediction, I'm not 12 nor a bloody mayan.
I know there are a few good news here and there, but the bad stuff outweighs the good stuff by a huge margin.
HOTS is coming I know, but will it be enough? I don't know, but I sure hope so.
I don't have any numbers to reflect my feeling but this market seems to be shrinking at a staggering pace.

Back on topic, IPL was a huge event, one the top 3 in NA with MLG and NASL, imagine if one of the top 3 car manufacturers in NA was closing the shop, that would be monumental.
And I think it is, less exposure for sponsors, less money basically.

TB, as a team leader, do you know the viewer count over the past 12 months? If you can tell me that the viewer count over the past 12 months for the SC2 streams is stable then I would change my mind, honest to God I hope I'm wrong.

On February 23 2013 03:21 marcesr wrote:


Yes you are right, but this once again shows how hard it is for any organization in esport to be profitable.

On February 23 2013 03:54 AnomalySC2 wrote:


SC2 just doesn't provide good enough games to keep viewers invested over a long period of time. It's that simple. I believe LoL and Dota 2 are still alive and well, with LoL absolutely flourishing. That leaves us with an empty void for a pure RTS and FPS. Hopefully there are devs out there that can pick up the esports torch and provide a game in one of those genres with real legs. Oh I almost forgot Street Fighter 4, that is still going as well.

On February 23 2013 04:20 Wingblade wrote:


This is such an obnoxious and abstract post that it's impossible to disprove. How can you honestly say that SC2 games simply aren't interesting enough with anything other than your opinion. The SC2 is way over saturated is a much bigger issue, plus these last three months have been such a downtime since "Super November", an event that is in and of itself a sign of oversaturation.

It isn't "that simple" at all, and if you attempt to say it is without any evidence whatsoever is just silly.

On February 23 2013 04:31 AnomalySC2 wrote:


It IS just my opinion. But viewer numbers have been dropping steadily since launch, right? That's a fact. It's just my opinion on why people are getting bored with watching the game, that's all. You could argue it's due to over-saturation, but I'd argue back that it's because the games aren't good enough to hold viewers interests across so many different events.

I'm speaking from my own experience as well. I used to follow SC2 extremely hardcore and slowly I got more and more bored with the games. We just don't get nearly as many awesome games as we got from BW or TFT. There have obviously been some classics (gumiho vs mma and scfou vs nestea come to mind), but the amount of these epic games is incredibly small compared to previous Blizzard efforts.

On February 23 2013 03:05 Doodsmack wrote:



Dude it's JimmyRaynor. The man who thinks sc2 is dead, esports is dead. Literally he made a blog how blizzard has already given up on Esports after WCS. Wouldn't take any of his posts seriously.
Lol @ you telling an IPL employee that you know more about this situation than him. You have absolutely no idea about the potential buyers for IPL and their reasoning, yet you just lectured an IPL insider about buyers' reasoning, despite the fact that he just told us they're fine and have more to announce soon. I know drama is fun but maybe hold off until you can do something more than guess.

I would advise you to claim troll in order to save face lol.

On February 23 2013 03:05 Doodsmack wrote:




Lol @ you telling an IPL employee that you know more about this situation than him. You have absolutely no idea about the potential buyers for IPL and their reasoning, yet you just lectured an IPL insider about buyers' reasoning, despite the fact that he just told us they're fine and have more to announce soon. I know drama is fun but maybe hold off until you can do something more than guess.

I would advise you to claim troll in order to save face lol.

On February 23 2013 04:35 kollin wrote:

Viewers dropping since launch isn't a fact at all. At launch we had nowhere near the steadily increasing amount of viewers we have at the moment. There seems to be so many random, uninformed forum goers like yourself who state untrue things as facts to try and convince people that the bubble has burst.

On February 23 2013 04:40 AnomalySC2 wrote:


Have some proof? I'm just going by what I see from stream numbers. On Twitch SC2 hovers around 8k to 15k viewers these days. That used to be way higher. Players like Idra used to get 16-20k viewers, now he probably averages like 4k?

By all means correct me if I'm wrong. When you couple that with how much doom and gloom has been going around these forums, plus all the team closures and player retirements, well you can't blame me for coming to that conclusion.

On February 23 2013 04:46 kollin wrote:

Who cares how many views player streams are getting? It used to be pretty rare for Idra to stream, now it's most days. The important figure is tournament viewership, which has been rising. Also, the player retirements were bound to happen eventually, because of over saturation. There haven't even been that many team closures, some teams have had to scale back due to their players not getting results but that is irrelevant to how well SC2 is doing.