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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16381 Posts
On February 22 2013 20:03 kollin wrote: Source? Ziff Davis does not want to lose money. That is why this will happen. ZD would prefer to shut down IPL just like they shut down 1UP and GameSpy. But, prior contractual agreements make that impossible. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
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kmh
Finland351 Posts
No need for MLG to buy it to squash it, it doesn't make sense. For one, MLG benefits most from the entire scene being larger. More people watching esports means more people watching MLG. Making the pie bigger is a much better move than trying to quibble over how to slice a smaller pie. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On February 22 2013 20:06 kmh wrote: No need for MLG to buy it to squash it, it doesn't make sense. For one, MLG benefits most from the entire scene being larger. More people watching esports means more people watching MLG. Making the pie bigger is a much better move than trying to quibble over how to slice a smaller pie. Well, the thing is not everybody can dedicate their weekend to watching every single tournament. For example, the next MLG and the next IEM are literally days apart, and not everyone will have the time to watch both. Therefore, they choose to watch either MLG or IEM. The oversaturation of tournaments is what makes people think viewership is lower, as instead of having 100k viewers on 5 tournaments, we now have 50k viewers on 10 tournaments. So while I don't think MLG have the money or the inclination to buy IPL, it is beneficial for MLG if IPL stopped existing. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16381 Posts
On February 22 2013 20:05 kollin wrote: In other words, you have no source and you're spewing bullshit and passing it off as a fact to try and convince people that everything will most likely go wrong and SC2 will die. SC2 != IPL SC2 is profitable. its sold millions and millions of units between $30 to $90 in price. the expansion will bring in more cash. IPL is not profitable. therefore it will be shut down. This is no different than when Time-Warner bought Turner Broadcasting. What happened to WCW ? | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On February 22 2013 20:10 JimmyJRaynor wrote: SC2 != IPL SC2 is profitable. its sold millions and millions of units between $30 to $90 in price. IPL is not profitable. therefore it will be shut down. You don't seem to have very good reading comprehension. Provide a source before you just claim stuff is happening. You said Ziff Davis would scale back IPL and turn it into a train wreck. That could well happen, but without evidence you end up making a fool of yourself. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16381 Posts
On February 22 2013 20:12 kollin wrote: You don't seem to have very good reading comprehension. Provide a source before you just claim stuff is happening. You said Ziff Davis would scale back IPL and turn it into a train wreck. That could well happen, but without evidence you end up making a fool of yourself. its the profit motive at work. i don't blame Ziff-Davis for wanting to discontinue support for an entity that will take 5 years to become profitable. no, its silly of you to expect they'll keep funding it. they've already said they want to sell it. whoever buys it is not going to bank roll someone's dream. Cost cutting will be priority #1 whether ZD is stuck with it or someone buys it. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On February 22 2013 20:15 JimmyJRaynor wrote: its the profit motive at work. i don't blame Ziff-Davis for wanting to discontinue support for an entity that will take 5 years to become profitable. So in other words, you don't have a source? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16381 Posts
On February 22 2013 20:16 kollin wrote: So in other words, you don't have a source? did i need a source when i said a year ago THQ was going down? this 5 year plan .. could easily turn into a 10 year plan with IPL never being profitable. and if ZD thought it was drawing in kajillions of new IGN web surfers they wouldn't be selling it. its simple logic  | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16381 Posts
On February 22 2013 20:21 kollin wrote: I really couldn't care less about your infallible business sense. Without a source everything you say is guesswork, so please, please don't state it as a fact. watch the events unfold and witness the invisible hand of Adam Smith's free market take care of all the details. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
TBH I don't see IPL surviving this, but I'll keep my hopes up. | ||
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Nimic
Norway1360 Posts
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On February 22 2013 20:06 kmh wrote: No need for MLG to buy it to squash it, it doesn't make sense. For one, MLG benefits most from the entire scene being larger. More people watching esports means more people watching MLG. Making the pie bigger is a much better move than trying to quibble over how to slice a smaller pie. IPL existing doesn't make the pie bigger. | ||
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kmh
Finland351 Posts
IPL folding cannot help but make the pie (total amount of viewers and sponsors) smaller. | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On February 22 2013 20:44 kmh wrote: IPL folding cannot help but make the pie (total amount of viewers and sponsors) smaller. That might be true. I believe it will have a negligible impact on the population of sc2 watchers. People aren't gonna stop watching SC2 because IPL dies. There are plenty of other tournaments ready to fill the demand so they will substitute IPL for MLG, etc. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On February 22 2013 20:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote: there will be large last minute cut backs for IPL6 in order to minimize losses. now i realize these cutbacks might cause morale problems within the IPL staff ranks. I have a simple solution that will help alleviate money issues and improve morale at the same time. Fire all the unhappy people. That's a pretty good joke! Oh, you were being serious? Really, you need to provide at least one source. Stating something as a fact just because you believe it's true doesn't actually make it true. | ||
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
Yes, either way we will probably lose a tournament, but having too few tournaments isn't really the problem of SC2. I'd miss the IPL main events but I won't miss the online content: Replay casts, reruns, terrible scheduling for EU, incomprehensible/hidden qualification formats, hidden side-events and unhelpful website. Just hope that its sponsors will stay in esports and the good employees will find another job. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On February 22 2013 06:13 Master of DalK wrote: The owner of IGN only wants the news coverage of eSports and video games. Thats why GameSpy and others are getting sold off as well. IPL should be fine, especially with all of the coverage it was given for IPL5. EDIT: BY THE WAY, IPL doesn't only do SC2, they do fighting games and LoL as well. So saying that IPL is going with the 'dying SC2 scene' is not thinking about the big picture. Good thing gamespy is getting sold, it actually should be buried deep into the ground, such a terrible website. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On February 22 2013 20:19 JimmyJRaynor wrote: did i need a source when i said a year ago THQ was going down? this 5 year plan .. could easily turn into a 10 year plan with IPL never being profitable. and if ZD thought it was drawing in kajillions of new IGN web surfers they wouldn't be selling it. its simple logic Don't you mean simple guesswork? Because that's what you are doing. | ||
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