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On February 22 2013 12:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 12:14 Cygoris wrote:
When was the last time a good news came up for the SC2 market?
Players switching/retiring/fired, teams closing, tournaments for sale etc.
It's such a weird feeling because I love starcraft so much but I feel everything is falling apart.
I tried LoL and Dota2 but it's not for me, I wish the game I actually play was more successful. It's happening all the time, you're just not paying any attention to it. Over the last couple of months we've had new signings galore, new teams, the rebirth of old teams, more tournament announcements, exceptional additions to the game in the form of HotS, greater eSports support from Blizzard. Try reading about that stuff.
I was thinking about your team and Azubu's as the last SC2 positive news, but for the birth of your team we lost OGS, Slayers, Check6, MTW just to name the few I remember, we all know Dignitas is in the red, Complexity is closing its gaming house and the list goes on and on.
Quantic rebirth is just a merger, you can say Quantic is reborn but you can also say Its Gosu died.
These are hard facts that aren't based on some teenage doom's day prediction, I'm not 12 nor a bloody mayan.
I know there are a few good news here and there, but the bad stuff outweighs the good stuff by a huge margin.
HOTS is coming I know, but will it be enough? I don't know, but I sure hope so.
I don't have any numbers to reflect my feeling but this market seems to be shrinking at a staggering pace.
Back on topic, IPL was a huge event, one the top 3 in NA with MLG and NASL, imagine if one of the top 3 car manufacturers in NA was closing the shop, that would be monumental.
And I think it is, less exposure for sponsors, less money basically.
TB, as a team leader, do you know the viewer count over the past 12 months? If you can tell me that the viewer count over the past 12 months for the SC2 streams is stable then I would change my mind, honest to God I hope I'm wrong.
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On February 22 2013 13:31 Rowrin wrote:
An example an econ instructor gave in a related leacture was something along the lines of:
If you are making 80k a year at your current job, and decide to start your own business, your business might be profitable, making you 30k a year, but in a sense it is costing you 50k to run. Is it worth staying in business?
The term you are looking for is opportunity cost.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost
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On February 22 2013 04:54 bduddy wrote:
Ziff Davis, the owner of IGN (and a bunch of other stuff), is apparently not doing so well - they're shutting down some of their other gaming sites, laying off some people, and most importantly to SC2, they want to sell the IPL.
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Not doing so well? Didn't they buy IGN very recently?
Makes perfect sense that there would be cuts, given that IGN's been losing value for a long time, they probably wanna return it to profit, and it doesn't make sense for 1 company to own a bunch of competing sites- they should only need 1.
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On February 22 2013 13:19 phanto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 05:22 NoGasfOu wrote:
IPL is ending. MLG's revenue is not enough to pay interest. GOM is losing foreign subscribers day by day.
Looks like the beginning of the end for anything that's not Kespa. BW 2.0 incoming. it's a shame but I think you're right. a majority of people are only interested in watching the best of the best -- the champions league. and that is/will be Kespa. oh -- LAN events will go on of course. because those get revenue from entry fees and stuff as well.
The best of best, kespa? Have you ever seen the viewers of spl? Or have ever checked the discussion consider spl?
What a joke!
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and being WOL, IPL ends with super dissapointing viewernumbers make it nearly impossible to sell it ... why the fuck they doesnt make it HOTS ...
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On February 22 2013 15:14 Cygoris wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 12:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:On February 22 2013 12:14 Cygoris wrote:
When was the last time a good news came up for the SC2 market?
Players switching/retiring/fired, teams closing, tournaments for sale etc.
It's such a weird feeling because I love starcraft so much but I feel everything is falling apart.
I tried LoL and Dota2 but it's not for me, I wish the game I actually play was more successful. It's happening all the time, you're just not paying any attention to it. Over the last couple of months we've had new signings galore, new teams, the rebirth of old teams, more tournament announcements, exceptional additions to the game in the form of HotS, greater eSports support from Blizzard. Try reading about that stuff. I was thinking about your team and Azubu's as the last SC2 positive news, but for the birth of your team we lost OGS, Slayers, Check6, MTW just to name the few I remember, we all know Dignitas is in the red, Complexity is closing its gaming house and the list goes on and on. Quantic rebirth is just a merger, you can say Quantic is reborn but you can also say Its Gosu died. These are hard facts that aren't based on some teenage doom's day prediction, I'm not 12 nor a bloody mayan. I know there are a few good news here and there, but the bad stuff outweighs the good stuff by a huge margin. HOTS is coming I know, but will it be enough? I don't know, but I sure hope so. I don't have any numbers to reflect my feeling but this market seems to be shrinking at a staggering pace. Back on topic, IPL was a huge event, one the top 3 in NA with MLG and NASL, imagine if one of the top 3 car manufacturers in NA was closing the shop, that would be monumental. And I think it is, less exposure for sponsors, less money basically. TB, as a team leader, do you know the viewer count over the past 12 months? If you can tell me that the viewer count over the past 12 months for the SC2 streams is stable then I would change my mind, honest to God I hope I'm wrong.
proleague, all the kespa teams joined sc2, we had an OSL, and we had the examples you said, that seems like alot of good news to me. And hots has not even come out yet. You sir are just some guy who is trying to be negative like everyone else for no reason. Like TB said try looking at the good stuff. oh also clarity gaming got a gaming house as well. Also as always EG got more sponsors, Oh also EG-TL that was good news as well. Uhh thats just off the top of my head, but that seemed like alot of good things i could remember in like 5 seconds
#EDIT also Gom moved to a more expensive area as well with a better studio. And MLG is doing the hots show matches as well. those seemed pretty good. Just stop saying the sky is falling im getting really sick of people who have no idea what they are talking about pretend like they have an idea what they are talking about
#EDIT 2 Also everything that NASL has been doing with talkshows to showmatches to fun content, all that seems to be pretty good news as well as content as well. also don't forget about Vengeance some crazy thing blizzard is doing, that seems like pretty good news as well.
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On February 22 2013 05:09 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
LOL expected news. sc2 does not have a successful business model. early profits soon wane into bankruptcy
expected news for pretty much any e-sport thats not top dog at the moment. think about it, every game ever to come out yet has (eventually) failed mostly because its still a niche thing, even though that's slowly changing its still the case today.
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Ohhh...snap...so this is what they were talking about 
I really hope IPL can still keep up its quality level even if IGN decides to end it or walk away from it. It's definitely true that a lot of big tournaments seem to be folding or something. I don't even know about plans for the next OSL etc. It's a shame, really...it was a great event for sure.
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Oh God, this makes me incredibly sad. I love IPL/IPTL/Fight Club
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Well, it wouldn't be IPL if they sold it...
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David Ting is living in a dream world if he thinks someone is going to fund this league for 5 years until its profitable.
Look for immediate and substantial cost-cutting making IPL 6 a debacle.
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players quitting and or moving to lol and now ign selling ipl? i hope this doesnt mean sc2 is dying off even more quickly than i thought, because i have no interest in watching LoL, although it seems LoL is much more sustainable as an esport
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Please stop with lol, in fact IPL have League of Legends and the Riot game isn't dying. Really fun to see that every 3-4 month there is a new "SC2 is dead" bandwagon...
In 3 years there still will be guys to say "SC2 is dying". Look at non MOBA esports (CS, SFIV...) and you will see that SC2 is far from death.
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In all honesty, SC2 is dead because HotS isn't out yet. Second HotS is out, within a few months our scene will grow back to normal. In all honesty for awhile I quit SC2 because I wanted to play other games before HotS came out. THEN I GOT THE BETA KEY.
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On February 22 2013 15:14 Cygoris wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 12:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:On February 22 2013 12:14 Cygoris wrote:
When was the last time a good news came up for the SC2 market?
Players switching/retiring/fired, teams closing, tournaments for sale etc.
It's such a weird feeling because I love starcraft so much but I feel everything is falling apart.
I tried LoL and Dota2 but it's not for me, I wish the game I actually play was more successful. It's happening all the time, you're just not paying any attention to it. Over the last couple of months we've had new signings galore, new teams, the rebirth of old teams, more tournament announcements, exceptional additions to the game in the form of HotS, greater eSports support from Blizzard. Try reading about that stuff. I was thinking about your team and Azubu's as the last SC2 positive news, but for the birth of your team we lost OGS, Slayers, Check6, MTW just to name the few I remember, we all know Dignitas is in the red, Complexity is closing its gaming house and the list goes on and on. Quantic rebirth is just a merger, you can say Quantic is reborn but you can also say Its Gosu died. These are hard facts that aren't based on some teenage doom's day prediction, I'm not 12 nor a bloody mayan. I know there are a few good news here and there, but the bad stuff outweighs the good stuff by a huge margin. HOTS is coming I know, but will it be enough? I don't know, but I sure hope so. I don't have any numbers to reflect my feeling but this market seems to be shrinking at a staggering pace. Back on topic, IPL was a huge event, one the top 3 in NA with MLG and NASL, imagine if one of the top 3 car manufacturers in NA was closing the shop, that would be monumental. And I think it is, less exposure for sponsors, less money basically. TB, as a team leader, do you know the viewer count over the past 12 months? If you can tell me that the viewer count over the past 12 months for the SC2 streams is stable then I would change my mind, honest to God I hope I'm wrong.
The viewer count has actually risen in the past 12 months. While these statistics may be hard to come by (they do exist), that doesn't mean that the sky is falling.
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On February 22 2013 19:43 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 15:14 Cygoris wrote:On February 22 2013 12:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:On February 22 2013 12:14 Cygoris wrote:
When was the last time a good news came up for the SC2 market?
Players switching/retiring/fired, teams closing, tournaments for sale etc.
It's such a weird feeling because I love starcraft so much but I feel everything is falling apart.
I tried LoL and Dota2 but it's not for me, I wish the game I actually play was more successful. It's happening all the time, you're just not paying any attention to it. Over the last couple of months we've had new signings galore, new teams, the rebirth of old teams, more tournament announcements, exceptional additions to the game in the form of HotS, greater eSports support from Blizzard. Try reading about that stuff. I was thinking about your team and Azubu's as the last SC2 positive news, but for the birth of your team we lost OGS, Slayers, Check6, MTW just to name the few I remember, we all know Dignitas is in the red, Complexity is closing its gaming house and the list goes on and on. Quantic rebirth is just a merger, you can say Quantic is reborn but you can also say Its Gosu died. These are hard facts that aren't based on some teenage doom's day prediction, I'm not 12 nor a bloody mayan. I know there are a few good news here and there, but the bad stuff outweighs the good stuff by a huge margin. HOTS is coming I know, but will it be enough? I don't know, but I sure hope so. I don't have any numbers to reflect my feeling but this market seems to be shrinking at a staggering pace. Back on topic, IPL was a huge event, one the top 3 in NA with MLG and NASL, imagine if one of the top 3 car manufacturers in NA was closing the shop, that would be monumental. And I think it is, less exposure for sponsors, less money basically. TB, as a team leader, do you know the viewer count over the past 12 months? If you can tell me that the viewer count over the past 12 months for the SC2 streams is stable then I would change my mind, honest to God I hope I'm wrong. The viewer count has actually risen in the past 12 months. While these statistics may be hard to come by (they do exist), that doesn't mean that the sky is falling.
the viewer count does not justify what was being spent on IPL.
which is why Ziff Davis is selling it.
IPL 6 will either be cancelled or it'll be a train wreck.
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IPL 6 is not getting cancelled, and I don't understand why it would be a trainwreck. Everyone who works at IPL will likely still be there for IPL 6...
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On February 22 2013 19:57 kollin wrote:
IPL 6 is not getting cancelled, and I don't understand why it would be a trainwreck. Everyone who works at IPL will likely still be there for IPL 6...
there will be large last minute cut backs for IPL6 in order to minimize losses.
now i realize these cutbacks might cause morale problems within the IPL staff ranks.
I have a simple solution that will help alleviate money issues and improve morale at the same time.
Fire all the unhappy people.
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