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Cygoris
Luxembourg40 Posts
Players switching/retiring/fired, teams closing, tournaments for sale etc. It's such a weird feeling because I love starcraft so much but I feel everything is falling apart. I tried LoL and Dota2 but it's not for me, I wish the game I actually play was more successful. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On February 22 2013 12:14 Cygoris wrote: When was the last time a good news came up for the SC2 market? Players switching/retiring/fired, teams closing, tournaments for sale etc. It's such a weird feeling because I love starcraft so much but I feel everything is falling apart. I tried LoL and Dota2 but it's not for me, I wish the game I actually play was more successful. What? There's nothing wrong. I'm actually surprised you see nothing but demise around you. Btw, players switching teams (...) is not a bad thing. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On February 22 2013 12:14 Cygoris wrote: When was the last time a good news came up for the SC2 market? Players switching/retiring/fired, teams closing, tournaments for sale etc. It's such a weird feeling because I love starcraft so much but I feel everything is falling apart. I tried LoL and Dota2 but it's not for me, I wish the game I actually play was more successful. It's happening all the time, you're just not paying any attention to it. Over the last couple of months we've had new signings galore, new teams, the rebirth of old teams, more tournament announcements, exceptional additions to the game in the form of HotS, greater eSports support from Blizzard. Try reading about that stuff. | ||
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ElBlanco
Australia140 Posts
On February 22 2013 12:14 Cygoris wrote: When was the last time a good news came up for the SC2 market? Players switching/retiring/fired, teams closing, tournaments for sale etc. It's such a weird feeling because I love starcraft so much but I feel everything is falling apart. I tried LoL and Dota2 but it's not for me, I wish the game I actually play was more successful. I think you need to calm down. Players switching teams means absolutely nothing. Sure some teams have shut down but we have also got some new ones, lets not also forget that the kespa teams are SC2 now as well. Of course that was going to put more pressure on the other Korean teams. Players retiring isn't a big deal at all. There are simply too many good players out there so not everyone can keep playing. This happens in basically every sport. This very thread is a massive over reaction, IPL isn't going to be shut down. It just won't be a part of IGN anymore which i personally don't think will be such a bad thing. What other tournament is for sale? It's literally only this and it has NOTHING to do with the success of lack thereof of the tournament and everything to to with IGN needing to become smaller and more focused. I like you can't get into LoL or DOTA and i it does disappoint me that they are taking over but things aren't as bad as you're making out. | ||
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Radicalness
United States271 Posts
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On February 22 2013 12:23 TotalBiscuit wrote: It's happening all the time, you're just not paying any attention to it. Over the last couple of months we've had new signings galore, new teams, the rebirth of old teams, more tournament announcements, exceptional additions to the game in the form of HotS, greater eSports support from Blizzard. Try reading about that stuff. Speaking of which, TB, I'm wondering what will happen with IPL. I really enjoyed the last ones, I hope that this one continue to be great. Do you have any info? | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On February 22 2013 12:35 docvoc wrote: Speaking of which, TB, I'm wondering what will happen with IPL. I really enjoyed the last ones, I hope that this one continue to be great. Do you have any info? Not yet. | ||
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
These are IGN Entertainment's websites as of yesterday: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WYbPK2q.png) These are IGN Entertainment's websites after today's announcements: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/L3LSimx.png) (graphics mine based on announcements on all of those sites) Also, Fileplanet is dead too. So yeah, all that's left is IGN itself and a Men's relationship advice site. Basically, IGN is the only thing left focusing on Gaming and everything else is dead (except IPL). IPL is the only one that is even considered for being sold as far as I know. Most of those sites have been alive 5x longer than IPL. GameSpy even shipped with tons of games "back in the day" to provide their servers for multiplayer. | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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phanto
Sweden708 Posts
On February 22 2013 05:22 NoGasfOu wrote: IPL is ending. MLG's revenue is not enough to pay interest. GOM is losing foreign subscribers day by day. Looks like the beginning of the end for anything that's not Kespa. BW 2.0 incoming. it's a shame but I think you're right. a majority of people are only interested in watching the best of the best -- the champions league. and that is/will be Kespa. oh -- LAN events will go on of course. because those get revenue from entry fees and stuff as well. | ||
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deth
Australia1757 Posts
On February 22 2013 12:23 TotalBiscuit wrote: It's happening all the time, you're just not paying any attention to it. Over the last couple of months we've had new signings galore, new teams, the rebirth of old teams, more tournament announcements, exceptional additions to the game in the form of HotS, greater eSports support from Blizzard. Try reading about that stuff. Oh, but the negative stuff is just so memorable and... juicy... | ||
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Rowrin
United States280 Posts
That said, even if IPL is making a profit, it may not be enough to justify the investment to earn that profit. When people talk about profit in business, it can be tricky because there are sometimes different types of profit. There is the "are we covering our costs?" type of profit, and the "is it worth the investment?" type of profit (I forget the actual economic terminology for the two). For example, if you invest $500,000 into a tournament and make say $25,000 off the event after costs, you are making a profit in one sense. However, if you can invest that $500,000 into something else and make $50,000, you are losing profit. Granted these values are entirely made up, but that is the basic idea. An example an econ instructor gave in a related leacture was something along the lines of: If you are making 80k a year at your current job, and decide to start your own business, your business might be profitable, making you 30k a year, but in a sense it is costing you 50k to run. Is it worth staying in business? IMO, IPL is probably doing ok, just the new owners of IGN either dont see it fitting with their vision, or it just isn't making the returns that they consider to be "profitable". I'm sure there is also a reason why they are looking to sell it rather than just shut it down. | ||
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looknohands119
United States815 Posts
My thoughts exactly John. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On February 22 2013 05:25 quantumslip wrote: now we're SC2-focused here, but what about LoL and FGC? Maybe SC2 isn't as big as it used to be but those other games and generes may have some more potential You know the FGC easily has less than 1% of the amount of money that the SC2 scene does, right? Their tournaments are basically all run by nice guys in their hometowns and funded by entry fees, there's no opportunity for profit. Riot isn't going to buy a league, there's no money or incentive in it for them. It's much easier to let other people run leagues and just harvest the free publicity. And if they did want such a thing, they'd be better off starting it up themselves. That goes for everyone else, too. Nobody is going to buy a league branded by a dying business. | ||
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quantumslip
United States188 Posts
On February 22 2013 14:09 Cel.erity wrote: You know the FGC easily has less than 1% of the amount of money that the SC2 scene does, right? Their tournaments are basically all run by nice guys in their hometowns and funded by entry fees, there's no opportunity for profit. Riot isn't going to buy a league, there's no money or incentive in it for them. It's much easier to let other people run leagues and just harvest the free publicity. And if they did want such a thing, they'd be better off starting it up themselves. That goes for everyone else, too. Nobody is going to buy a league branded by a dying business. My point is not that those are necessarily viable as well, but that everyone in this thread is like "OMG SC2 IS DYING SC2 IS ESPORTS IF SC2 IS DYING ESPORTS IS DEAD" and tying directly the success of SC2 to the financial viability of eSports as a whole. Again, not saying that eSports is a viable model, but that SC2 "not making is" does not mean eSports can not make it, though if SC2 can't make it that is not a good sign. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On February 22 2013 14:16 quantumslip wrote: My point is not that those are necessarily viable as well, but that everyone in this thread is like "OMG SC2 IS DYING SC2 IS ESPORTS IF SC2 IS DYING ESPORTS IS DEAD" and tying directly the success of SC2 to the financial viability of eSports as a whole. Again, not saying that eSports is a viable model, but that SC2 "not making is" does not mean eSports can not make it, though if SC2 can't make it that is not a good sign. Well to be honest, I doubt IGN's troubles have anything to do with SC2, since anything they lose in eSports would be a drop in the bucket compared to their other enterprises. People want to make it about the IPL because that's what we rely on them for, but IGN is much more than that. Also, the reason why games like DotA do more with less because they keep everything on a community level, and pay all costs with sponsorship money and ad revenue, instead of introducing corporate investors and subscription fees. The western Starcraft community tends to want its scene to grow up too quickly, because it's already been that way in Korea for a long time. But with the increasing disparity between the skill level of most foreigners and most Koreans, interest in foreign SC2 events (like the NASL, especially) will continue to wane. Foreign tournaments now are basically just Korean tournaments which happen to be hosted elsewhere. The current way of doing things is illogical. It'll always be sustainable, just not on the level that some people might want it to be. | ||
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Depetrify
978 Posts
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SamanthaRain
United States37 Posts
On February 22 2013 05:10 Zealously wrote: Are you saying IPL made IGN go bankrupt, or am I misunderstanding? Because that would be "LOL"-worthy indeed. IPL - The tournament that gave a $100k prize pool to a game that got a high point of 2k viewers on stream for the grand finals - the game that had less than 50 spectators in the event room - the game that has 0 hype from the FPS community. | ||
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