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On March 01 2013 19:28 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 18:16 kollin wrote:On February 24 2013 18:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 17:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 16:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 12:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 09:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 09:41 Dundron2000 wrote:well you said it yourself, 5 years from profitability.. so "losing" money for 5 years isnt really true, rather it means you will make money in the future to compensate for the initial costs. so it has more to do with short versus long term investement strategies rather than "sugar daddies". ya well there are 5 million assumptions that go into this "plan for profitability" any one can lose money. the tricky part is making it. if IPLs plan look like a sure thing to you then put together a group of investors and laugh all ur way to the bank. It's worth noting that most business (even small ones) are not profitable until a long time after they are established, simply by the nature of start up costs. While IPL may have put in $1million last year, a lot of that will be the cost of setting up infrastructure, hiring and training the employees, buying the required equipment, etc. and many businesses never see a profit and just go out of business. so far 2 big corporations are not willing to wait: Newscorp and ZiffDavis. and their actions speak louder than your words. Yes...and? If almost all businesses take a long time to offset start-up costs, and if some businesses close down after a short period, it stands to reason that some businesses close down without being profitable. This is technically what investing is all about: Losing short term money with the prospect of gaining in the long term. and IGN and the league it owns IPL was shopped around for months and months with Newscorp unable to find a buyer. finally it went to auction. no one thinks IPL is going to make some big turnaround. if you do... you should get some friends together and buy it.. because at this point its available for pennies on the dollar. OK you seem pretty confident, why don't you put your money where your mouth is. If IPL is sold, you get a 30 day ban. If IPL isn't sold, I get a 30 day ban. Still want to do this??
Kennigit I'll do it. If IPL is cancelled then suspend me for 30 days.
However let's lay down some rules first:
First:
by cancellation I mean IPL as a league, not removal of single games. The things reported so far is more signs of IPL downsizing the league, korean lol qualifiers are terminated for instance, but not Starcraft2, the deal with the hotels are gone and certain prize money along with products for some of the games has been returned to the sponsors. This is more signs of downsizing to fit the new expenses that the potential buyer has in mind than a actual cancellation.
Second:
cancellation does not equal a postponement of the league within a reasonable time frame where the actual event at specified time is likely to actually happen. Let's say they find a buyer and need to postpone the event 10 days to a month and that everyone points at this actually will happen then it's not a cancellation. If however at the given time frame and the event still not happens then feel free to inflict the ban.
I'll give it to the mods to use their own discretion regarding appliance of the rules above and their own stance on it, and their final judgement.
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On March 02 2013 05:03 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 19:28 Kennigit wrote:On February 24 2013 18:16 kollin wrote:On February 24 2013 18:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 17:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 16:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 12:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 09:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 09:41 Dundron2000 wrote:well you said it yourself, 5 years from profitability.. so "losing" money for 5 years isnt really true, rather it means you will make money in the future to compensate for the initial costs. so it has more to do with short versus long term investement strategies rather than "sugar daddies". ya well there are 5 million assumptions that go into this "plan for profitability" any one can lose money. the tricky part is making it. if IPLs plan look like a sure thing to you then put together a group of investors and laugh all ur way to the bank. It's worth noting that most business (even small ones) are not profitable until a long time after they are established, simply by the nature of start up costs. While IPL may have put in $1million last year, a lot of that will be the cost of setting up infrastructure, hiring and training the employees, buying the required equipment, etc. and many businesses never see a profit and just go out of business. so far 2 big corporations are not willing to wait: Newscorp and ZiffDavis. and their actions speak louder than your words. Yes...and? If almost all businesses take a long time to offset start-up costs, and if some businesses close down after a short period, it stands to reason that some businesses close down without being profitable. This is technically what investing is all about: Losing short term money with the prospect of gaining in the long term. and IGN and the league it owns IPL was shopped around for months and months with Newscorp unable to find a buyer. finally it went to auction. no one thinks IPL is going to make some big turnaround. if you do... you should get some friends together and buy it.. because at this point its available for pennies on the dollar. OK you seem pretty confident, why don't you put your money where your mouth is. If IPL is sold, you get a 30 day ban. If IPL isn't sold, I get a 30 day ban. Still want to do this?? Kennigit I'll do it. If IPL is cancelled then suspend me for 30 days. However let's lay down some rules first: First:by cancellation I mean IPL as a league, not removal of single games. The things reported so far is more signs of IPL downsizing the league, korean lol qualifiers are terminated for instance, but not Starcraft2, the deal with the hotels are gone and certain prize money along with products for some of the games has been returned to the sponsors. This is more signs of downsizing to fit the new expenses that the potential buyer has in mind than a actual cancellation. Second: cancellation does not equal a postponement of the league within a reasonable time frame where the actual event at specified time is likely to actually happen. Let's say they find a buyer and need to postpone the event 10 days to a month and that everyone points at this actually will happen then it's not a cancellation. If however at the given time frame and the event still not happens then feel free to inflict the ban. I'll give it to the mods to use their own discretion regarding appliance of the rules above and their own stance on it, and their final judgement.
Why don't you just apologize to JRaynor rather than keep this confrontational BS?
I mean it. He presented his ideas badly at times, but the guy was polite overall. He never made any personal attacks whereas you called his stuff BS and said he wasn't worth reading.
Hell, this entire forum has treated him badly. Even if he was an idiot, there were personal attacks on him that went unpunished whereas he got banned. He didn't curse at anyone or call anyone a idiot.
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On March 02 2013 05:10 wklbishop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 05:03 Integra wrote:On March 01 2013 19:28 Kennigit wrote:On February 24 2013 18:16 kollin wrote:On February 24 2013 18:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 17:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 16:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 12:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 09:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 09:41 Dundron2000 wrote:
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well you said it yourself, 5 years from profitability.. so "losing" money for 5 years isnt really true, rather it means you will make money in the future to compensate for the initial costs. so it has more to do with short versus long term investement strategies rather than "sugar daddies". ya well there are 5 million assumptions that go into this "plan for profitability" any one can lose money. the tricky part is making it. if IPLs plan look like a sure thing to you then put together a group of investors and laugh all ur way to the bank. It's worth noting that most business (even small ones) are not profitable until a long time after they are established, simply by the nature of start up costs. While IPL may have put in $1million last year, a lot of that will be the cost of setting up infrastructure, hiring and training the employees, buying the required equipment, etc. and many businesses never see a profit and just go out of business. so far 2 big corporations are not willing to wait: Newscorp and ZiffDavis. and their actions speak louder than your words. Yes...and? If almost all businesses take a long time to offset start-up costs, and if some businesses close down after a short period, it stands to reason that some businesses close down without being profitable. This is technically what investing is all about: Losing short term money with the prospect of gaining in the long term. and IGN and the league it owns IPL was shopped around for months and months with Newscorp unable to find a buyer. finally it went to auction. no one thinks IPL is going to make some big turnaround. if you do... you should get some friends together and buy it.. because at this point its available for pennies on the dollar. OK you seem pretty confident, why don't you put your money where your mouth is. If IPL is sold, you get a 30 day ban. If IPL isn't sold, I get a 30 day ban. Still want to do this?? Kennigit I'll do it. If IPL is cancelled then suspend me for 30 days. However let's lay down some rules first: First:by cancellation I mean IPL as a league, not removal of single games. The things reported so far is more signs of IPL downsizing the league, korean lol qualifiers are terminated for instance, but not Starcraft2, the deal with the hotels are gone and certain prize money along with products for some of the games has been returned to the sponsors. This is more signs of downsizing to fit the new expenses that the potential buyer has in mind than a actual cancellation. Second: cancellation does not equal a postponement of the league within a reasonable time frame where the actual event at specified time is likely to actually happen. Let's say they find a buyer and need to postpone the event 10 days to a month and that everyone points at this actually will happen then it's not a cancellation. If however at the given time frame and the event still not happens then feel free to inflict the ban. I'll give it to the mods to use their own discretion regarding appliance of the rules above and their own stance on it, and their final judgement. Why don't you just apologize to JRaynor rather than keep this confrontational BS? I mean it. He presented his ideas badly at times, but the guy was polite overall. He never made any personal attacks whereas you called his stuff BS and said he wasn't worth reading. Hell, this entire forum has treated him badly. Even if he was an idiot, there were personal attacks on him that went unpunished whereas he got banned. He didn't curse at anyone or call anyone a idiot.
That's what happens on TL.Net. All the good people gets bashed and then the admins bans them. He was too good for this forum and I'm certain that I, the admins and everyone on this forum one day will see all the great things he did and deeply regret it while we are burning in hell.
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On March 02 2013 05:14 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 05:10 wklbishop wrote:On March 02 2013 05:03 Integra wrote:On March 01 2013 19:28 Kennigit wrote:On February 24 2013 18:16 kollin wrote:On February 24 2013 18:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 17:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 16:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 12:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 09:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
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ya well there are 5 million assumptions that go into this "plan for profitability"
any one can lose money.
the tricky part is making it.
if IPLs plan look like a sure thing to you then put together a group of investors and laugh all ur way to the bank.
It's worth noting that most business (even small ones) are not profitable until a long time after they are established, simply by the nature of start up costs. While IPL may have put in $1million last year, a lot of that will be the cost of setting up infrastructure, hiring and training the employees, buying the required equipment, etc. and many businesses never see a profit and just go out of business. so far 2 big corporations are not willing to wait: Newscorp and ZiffDavis. and their actions speak louder than your words. Yes...and? If almost all businesses take a long time to offset start-up costs, and if some businesses close down after a short period, it stands to reason that some businesses close down without being profitable. This is technically what investing is all about: Losing short term money with the prospect of gaining in the long term. and IGN and the league it owns IPL was shopped around for months and months with Newscorp unable to find a buyer. finally it went to auction. no one thinks IPL is going to make some big turnaround. if you do... you should get some friends together and buy it.. because at this point its available for pennies on the dollar. OK you seem pretty confident, why don't you put your money where your mouth is. If IPL is sold, you get a 30 day ban. If IPL isn't sold, I get a 30 day ban. Still want to do this?? Kennigit I'll do it. If IPL is cancelled then suspend me for 30 days. However let's lay down some rules first: First:by cancellation I mean IPL as a league, not removal of single games. The things reported so far is more signs of IPL downsizing the league, korean lol qualifiers are terminated for instance, but not Starcraft2, the deal with the hotels are gone and certain prize money along with products for some of the games has been returned to the sponsors. This is more signs of downsizing to fit the new expenses that the potential buyer has in mind than a actual cancellation. Second: cancellation does not equal a postponement of the league within a reasonable time frame where the actual event at specified time is likely to actually happen. Let's say they find a buyer and need to postpone the event 10 days to a month and that everyone points at this actually will happen then it's not a cancellation. If however at the given time frame and the event still not happens then feel free to inflict the ban. I'll give it to the mods to use their own discretion regarding appliance of the rules above and their own stance on it, and their final judgement. Why don't you just apologize to JRaynor rather than keep this confrontational BS? I mean it. He presented his ideas badly at times, but the guy was polite overall. He never made any personal attacks whereas you called his stuff BS and said he wasn't worth reading. Hell, this entire forum has treated him badly. Even if he was an idiot, there were personal attacks on him that went unpunished whereas he got banned. He didn't curse at anyone or call anyone a idiot. That's what happens on TL.Net. All the good people gets bashed and then the admins bans them. He was too good for this forum and I'm certain that I, the admins and everyone on this forum one day will see all the great things he did.
Haha. There's no need to get that sarcastic. Relax bro. =]
I just felt unfair how badly he got flamed when he didn't make any personal attacks but there were people calling him an idiot.
EDIT: On March 02 2013 05:14 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 05:10 wklbishop wrote:On March 02 2013 05:03 Integra wrote:On March 01 2013 19:28 Kennigit wrote:On February 24 2013 18:16 kollin wrote:On February 24 2013 18:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 17:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 16:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 12:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 09:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
[quote]
ya well there are 5 million assumptions that go into this "plan for profitability"
any one can lose money.
the tricky part is making it.
if IPLs plan look like a sure thing to you then put together a group of investors and laugh all ur way to the bank.
It's worth noting that most business (even small ones) are not profitable until a long time after they are established, simply by the nature of start up costs. While IPL may have put in $1million last year, a lot of that will be the cost of setting up infrastructure, hiring and training the employees, buying the required equipment, etc. and many businesses never see a profit and just go out of business. so far 2 big corporations are not willing to wait: Newscorp and ZiffDavis. and their actions speak louder than your words. Yes...and? If almost all businesses take a long time to offset start-up costs, and if some businesses close down after a short period, it stands to reason that some businesses close down without being profitable. This is technically what investing is all about: Losing short term money with the prospect of gaining in the long term. and IGN and the league it owns IPL was shopped around for months and months with Newscorp unable to find a buyer. finally it went to auction. no one thinks IPL is going to make some big turnaround. if you do... you should get some friends together and buy it.. because at this point its available for pennies on the dollar. OK you seem pretty confident, why don't you put your money where your mouth is. If IPL is sold, you get a 30 day ban. If IPL isn't sold, I get a 30 day ban. Still want to do this?? Kennigit I'll do it. If IPL is cancelled then suspend me for 30 days. However let's lay down some rules first: First:by cancellation I mean IPL as a league, not removal of single games. The things reported so far is more signs of IPL downsizing the league, korean lol qualifiers are terminated for instance, but not Starcraft2, the deal with the hotels are gone and certain prize money along with products for some of the games has been returned to the sponsors. This is more signs of downsizing to fit the new expenses that the potential buyer has in mind than a actual cancellation. Second: cancellation does not equal a postponement of the league within a reasonable time frame where the actual event at specified time is likely to actually happen. Let's say they find a buyer and need to postpone the event 10 days to a month and that everyone points at this actually will happen then it's not a cancellation. If however at the given time frame and the event still not happens then feel free to inflict the ban. I'll give it to the mods to use their own discretion regarding appliance of the rules above and their own stance on it, and their final judgement. Why don't you just apologize to JRaynor rather than keep this confrontational BS? I mean it. He presented his ideas badly at times, but the guy was polite overall. He never made any personal attacks whereas you called his stuff BS and said he wasn't worth reading. Hell, this entire forum has treated him badly. Even if he was an idiot, there were personal attacks on him that went unpunished whereas he got banned. He didn't curse at anyone or call anyone a idiot. That's what happens on TL.Net. All the good people gets bashed and then the admins bans them. He was too good for this forum and I'm certain that I, the admins and everyone on this forum one day will see all the great things he did and deeply regret it while we are burning in hell.
Noooooooooo, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cause such misery I shall find JRaynor and we shall beg God to forgive you D=
EDIT2: But in all seriousness, the guy never insulted anyone whereas other people did insult him. That's just how I see it. You can feel free to disagree, but it sounds silly to continue to drag this shit out and not to just kiss and make up.
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On March 02 2013 05:18 wklbishop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 05:14 Integra wrote:On March 02 2013 05:10 wklbishop wrote:On March 02 2013 05:03 Integra wrote:On March 01 2013 19:28 Kennigit wrote:On February 24 2013 18:16 kollin wrote:On February 24 2013 18:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 17:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 16:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 12:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:
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It's worth noting that most business (even small ones) are not profitable until a long time after they are established, simply by the nature of start up costs.
While IPL may have put in $1million last year, a lot of that will be the cost of setting up infrastructure, hiring and training the employees, buying the required equipment, etc. and many businesses never see a profit and just go out of business. so far 2 big corporations are not willing to wait: Newscorp and ZiffDavis. and their actions speak louder than your words. Yes...and? If almost all businesses take a long time to offset start-up costs, and if some businesses close down after a short period, it stands to reason that some businesses close down without being profitable. This is technically what investing is all about: Losing short term money with the prospect of gaining in the long term. and IGN and the league it owns IPL was shopped around for months and months with Newscorp unable to find a buyer. finally it went to auction. no one thinks IPL is going to make some big turnaround. if you do... you should get some friends together and buy it.. because at this point its available for pennies on the dollar. OK you seem pretty confident, why don't you put your money where your mouth is. If IPL is sold, you get a 30 day ban. If IPL isn't sold, I get a 30 day ban. Still want to do this?? Kennigit I'll do it. If IPL is cancelled then suspend me for 30 days. However let's lay down some rules first: First:by cancellation I mean IPL as a league, not removal of single games. The things reported so far is more signs of IPL downsizing the league, korean lol qualifiers are terminated for instance, but not Starcraft2, the deal with the hotels are gone and certain prize money along with products for some of the games has been returned to the sponsors. This is more signs of downsizing to fit the new expenses that the potential buyer has in mind than a actual cancellation. Second: cancellation does not equal a postponement of the league within a reasonable time frame where the actual event at specified time is likely to actually happen. Let's say they find a buyer and need to postpone the event 10 days to a month and that everyone points at this actually will happen then it's not a cancellation. If however at the given time frame and the event still not happens then feel free to inflict the ban. I'll give it to the mods to use their own discretion regarding appliance of the rules above and their own stance on it, and their final judgement. Why don't you just apologize to JRaynor rather than keep this confrontational BS? I mean it. He presented his ideas badly at times, but the guy was polite overall. He never made any personal attacks whereas you called his stuff BS and said he wasn't worth reading. Hell, this entire forum has treated him badly. Even if he was an idiot, there were personal attacks on him that went unpunished whereas he got banned. He didn't curse at anyone or call anyone a idiot. That's what happens on TL.Net. All the good people gets bashed and then the admins bans them. He was too good for this forum and I'm certain that I, the admins and everyone on this forum one day will see all the great things he did. Haha. There's no need to get that sarcastic. Relax bro. =] I just felt unfair how badly he got flamed when he didn't make any personal attacks but there were people calling him an idiot. EDIT: Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 05:14 Integra wrote:On March 02 2013 05:10 wklbishop wrote:On March 02 2013 05:03 Integra wrote:On March 01 2013 19:28 Kennigit wrote:On February 24 2013 18:16 kollin wrote:On February 24 2013 18:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 17:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 16:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 12:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:
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It's worth noting that most business (even small ones) are not profitable until a long time after they are established, simply by the nature of start up costs.
While IPL may have put in $1million last year, a lot of that will be the cost of setting up infrastructure, hiring and training the employees, buying the required equipment, etc. and many businesses never see a profit and just go out of business. so far 2 big corporations are not willing to wait: Newscorp and ZiffDavis. and their actions speak louder than your words. Yes...and? If almost all businesses take a long time to offset start-up costs, and if some businesses close down after a short period, it stands to reason that some businesses close down without being profitable. This is technically what investing is all about: Losing short term money with the prospect of gaining in the long term. and IGN and the league it owns IPL was shopped around for months and months with Newscorp unable to find a buyer. finally it went to auction. no one thinks IPL is going to make some big turnaround. if you do... you should get some friends together and buy it.. because at this point its available for pennies on the dollar. OK you seem pretty confident, why don't you put your money where your mouth is. If IPL is sold, you get a 30 day ban. If IPL isn't sold, I get a 30 day ban. Still want to do this?? Kennigit I'll do it. If IPL is cancelled then suspend me for 30 days. However let's lay down some rules first: First:by cancellation I mean IPL as a league, not removal of single games. The things reported so far is more signs of IPL downsizing the league, korean lol qualifiers are terminated for instance, but not Starcraft2, the deal with the hotels are gone and certain prize money along with products for some of the games has been returned to the sponsors. This is more signs of downsizing to fit the new expenses that the potential buyer has in mind than a actual cancellation. Second: cancellation does not equal a postponement of the league within a reasonable time frame where the actual event at specified time is likely to actually happen. Let's say they find a buyer and need to postpone the event 10 days to a month and that everyone points at this actually will happen then it's not a cancellation. If however at the given time frame and the event still not happens then feel free to inflict the ban. I'll give it to the mods to use their own discretion regarding appliance of the rules above and their own stance on it, and their final judgement. Why don't you just apologize to JRaynor rather than keep this confrontational BS? I mean it. He presented his ideas badly at times, but the guy was polite overall. He never made any personal attacks whereas you called his stuff BS and said he wasn't worth reading. Hell, this entire forum has treated him badly. Even if he was an idiot, there were personal attacks on him that went unpunished whereas he got banned. He didn't curse at anyone or call anyone a idiot. That's what happens on TL.Net. All the good people gets bashed and then the admins bans them. He was too good for this forum and I'm certain that I, the admins and everyone on this forum one day will see all the great things he did and deeply regret it while we are burning in hell. Noooooooooo, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cause such misery I shall find JRaynor and we shall beg God to forgive you D=
The reason he probably got attacked/flamed so much is that literally every post I have seen from him lately is how sc2 is dying. Like no joke I rarely read a post that isn't "yeah sc2 is dying this proves it!" He also made a blog saying how blizzard gave up on esports (when their wcs was over for 2 months he made the blog saying they gave up!).
I am not to surprised at all he got so much negativity considering how negative he is posting :/.
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On March 02 2013 05:23 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 05:18 wklbishop wrote:On March 02 2013 05:14 Integra wrote:On March 02 2013 05:10 wklbishop wrote:On March 02 2013 05:03 Integra wrote:On March 01 2013 19:28 Kennigit wrote:On February 24 2013 18:16 kollin wrote:On February 24 2013 18:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 17:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 16:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
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and many businesses never see a profit and just go out of business.
so far 2 big corporations are not willing to wait: Newscorp and ZiffDavis.
and their actions speak louder than your words. Yes...and? If almost all businesses take a long time to offset start-up costs, and if some businesses close down after a short period, it stands to reason that some businesses close down without being profitable. This is technically what investing is all about: Losing short term money with the prospect of gaining in the long term. and IGN and the league it owns IPL was shopped around for months and months with Newscorp unable to find a buyer. finally it went to auction. no one thinks IPL is going to make some big turnaround. if you do... you should get some friends together and buy it.. because at this point its available for pennies on the dollar. OK you seem pretty confident, why don't you put your money where your mouth is. If IPL is sold, you get a 30 day ban. If IPL isn't sold, I get a 30 day ban. Still want to do this?? Kennigit I'll do it. If IPL is cancelled then suspend me for 30 days. However let's lay down some rules first: First:by cancellation I mean IPL as a league, not removal of single games. The things reported so far is more signs of IPL downsizing the league, korean lol qualifiers are terminated for instance, but not Starcraft2, the deal with the hotels are gone and certain prize money along with products for some of the games has been returned to the sponsors. This is more signs of downsizing to fit the new expenses that the potential buyer has in mind than a actual cancellation. Second: cancellation does not equal a postponement of the league within a reasonable time frame where the actual event at specified time is likely to actually happen. Let's say they find a buyer and need to postpone the event 10 days to a month and that everyone points at this actually will happen then it's not a cancellation. If however at the given time frame and the event still not happens then feel free to inflict the ban. I'll give it to the mods to use their own discretion regarding appliance of the rules above and their own stance on it, and their final judgement. Why don't you just apologize to JRaynor rather than keep this confrontational BS? I mean it. He presented his ideas badly at times, but the guy was polite overall. He never made any personal attacks whereas you called his stuff BS and said he wasn't worth reading. Hell, this entire forum has treated him badly. Even if he was an idiot, there were personal attacks on him that went unpunished whereas he got banned. He didn't curse at anyone or call anyone a idiot. That's what happens on TL.Net. All the good people gets bashed and then the admins bans them. He was too good for this forum and I'm certain that I, the admins and everyone on this forum one day will see all the great things he did. Haha. There's no need to get that sarcastic. Relax bro. =] I just felt unfair how badly he got flamed when he didn't make any personal attacks but there were people calling him an idiot. EDIT: On March 02 2013 05:14 Integra wrote:On March 02 2013 05:10 wklbishop wrote:On March 02 2013 05:03 Integra wrote:On March 01 2013 19:28 Kennigit wrote:On February 24 2013 18:16 kollin wrote:On February 24 2013 18:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 17:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 16:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
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and many businesses never see a profit and just go out of business.
so far 2 big corporations are not willing to wait: Newscorp and ZiffDavis.
and their actions speak louder than your words. Yes...and? If almost all businesses take a long time to offset start-up costs, and if some businesses close down after a short period, it stands to reason that some businesses close down without being profitable. This is technically what investing is all about: Losing short term money with the prospect of gaining in the long term. and IGN and the league it owns IPL was shopped around for months and months with Newscorp unable to find a buyer. finally it went to auction. no one thinks IPL is going to make some big turnaround. if you do... you should get some friends together and buy it.. because at this point its available for pennies on the dollar. OK you seem pretty confident, why don't you put your money where your mouth is. If IPL is sold, you get a 30 day ban. If IPL isn't sold, I get a 30 day ban. Still want to do this?? Kennigit I'll do it. If IPL is cancelled then suspend me for 30 days. However let's lay down some rules first: First:by cancellation I mean IPL as a league, not removal of single games. The things reported so far is more signs of IPL downsizing the league, korean lol qualifiers are terminated for instance, but not Starcraft2, the deal with the hotels are gone and certain prize money along with products for some of the games has been returned to the sponsors. This is more signs of downsizing to fit the new expenses that the potential buyer has in mind than a actual cancellation. Second: cancellation does not equal a postponement of the league within a reasonable time frame where the actual event at specified time is likely to actually happen. Let's say they find a buyer and need to postpone the event 10 days to a month and that everyone points at this actually will happen then it's not a cancellation. If however at the given time frame and the event still not happens then feel free to inflict the ban. I'll give it to the mods to use their own discretion regarding appliance of the rules above and their own stance on it, and their final judgement. Why don't you just apologize to JRaynor rather than keep this confrontational BS? I mean it. He presented his ideas badly at times, but the guy was polite overall. He never made any personal attacks whereas you called his stuff BS and said he wasn't worth reading. Hell, this entire forum has treated him badly. Even if he was an idiot, there were personal attacks on him that went unpunished whereas he got banned. He didn't curse at anyone or call anyone a idiot. That's what happens on TL.Net. All the good people gets bashed and then the admins bans them. He was too good for this forum and I'm certain that I, the admins and everyone on this forum one day will see all the great things he did and deeply regret it while we are burning in hell. Noooooooooo, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cause such misery I shall find JRaynor and we shall beg God to forgive you D= The reason he probably got attacked/flamed so much is that literally every post I have seen from him lately is how sc2 is dying. Like no joke I rarely read a post that isn't "yeah sc2 is dying this proves it!" He also made a blog saying how blizzard gave up on esports (when their wcs was over for 2 months he made the blog saying they gave up!). I am not to surprised at all he got so much negativity considering how negative he is posting :/.
I counter with this:
On February 27 2013 05:55 JimmyJRaynor wrote:i dont use terms like "dying".
also, SC2 is just fine.
"eSports" does not depend on Blizzard's involvement.
i predicted fewer over all events and an over all lower prize pool in 2013 compared to 2012 for Sc2. that has nothing to do with 'esports dying'.
there is no WCS for 2013. if you think IPL will have a long and prosperous future because red bull is going to buy them and that the total prize pool for SC2 is staying the same or going up...say so  ..but none of that has anything to do with SC2 "dying". or esports "dying". as it is you've provided nothing to back up any counter argument. your smear job just lowers the signal to noise ratio of this thread.
On February 27 2013 00:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 00:01 Doodsmack wrote:On February 26 2013 23:40 OptronX wrote:
I really hope this doesn't mean IPL is "ending" as some people are saying. I've been watching IPL for awhile now and I really enjoy having viewing parties with my friends and enjoying the matches together. Let's all hope that these "interested parties" will acquire it successfully and not change too much about it other than the helping them be more financially stable. IPL employees are saying they're fine, while two randoms in this thread are saying they're not (relying solely on assumptions about the decline of sc2 in general rather than any insider information). I know who I believe. WRONG.
SC2 is just fine and has formed a nice little revenue stream for ATVI.
IPL is a money losing operation. Ziff Davis, and Newscorp want nothing to do with IPL. The employees at THQ said everything was just fine. When employees tell me everything is just fine I take it with a grain of salt. If IPL were making money this would be a non-issue. They could just hand the keys to David Ting and call it a day. However, IPL is losing money and needs a sugar daddy. As the employees of IPL begin looking for other jobs it is within their best interests to tell prospective employers that IPL is just great with a long and amazing future ahead of it. This creates competition for their services as an employee. Telling prospective employers that IPL is about to fold weakens their bargaining position.
That said. Look. He came off as an idiot because he presented his ideas badly. But you admit that people were attacking and flaming him whereas he didn't flame anyone. And to me you guys came off as bullies more than anything.
Here's someone who's pretty confrontational and wants to bet on bans, but here's his response:
On February 24 2013 18:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 18:16 kollin wrote:On February 24 2013 18:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 17:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 16:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 12:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:On February 24 2013 09:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 09:41 Dundron2000 wrote:well you said it yourself, 5 years from profitability.. so "losing" money for 5 years isnt really true, rather it means you will make money in the future to compensate for the initial costs. so it has more to do with short versus long term investement strategies rather than "sugar daddies". ya well there are 5 million assumptions that go into this "plan for profitability" any one can lose money. the tricky part is making it. if IPLs plan look like a sure thing to you then put together a group of investors and laugh all ur way to the bank. It's worth noting that most business (even small ones) are not profitable until a long time after they are established, simply by the nature of start up costs. While IPL may have put in $1million last year, a lot of that will be the cost of setting up infrastructure, hiring and training the employees, buying the required equipment, etc. and many businesses never see a profit and just go out of business. so far 2 big corporations are not willing to wait: Newscorp and ZiffDavis. and their actions speak louder than your words. Yes...and? If almost all businesses take a long time to offset start-up costs, and if some businesses close down after a short period, it stands to reason that some businesses close down without being profitable. This is technically what investing is all about: Losing short term money with the prospect of gaining in the long term. and IGN and the league it owns IPL was shopped around for months and months with Newscorp unable to find a buyer. finally it went to auction. no one thinks IPL is going to make some big turnaround. if you do... you should get some friends together and buy it.. because at this point its available for pennies on the dollar. OK you seem pretty confident, why don't you put your money where your mouth is. If IPL is sold, you get a 30 day ban. If IPL isn't sold, I get a 30 day ban. buy is a ubiquitous term in this case.... whoever "buys" it has to put on 1 event of the scale of IPL5. you do not deserve a ban though. you are polite and pretty measured in what you are saying... you are just incorrect.. that is not a crime.
EDIT: It's the mods decision to ban a guy or not. I just wanted to defend someone who to me (a third party) I felt bad for because of all the attacks and hate he got.
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The thing is he was so, so persistent when we has smacked every factors argument he had presented into the ground. Much like AnomalySc2, the mindless statements made without anything backing them up were extremely annoying.
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On March 02 2013 05:30 kollin wrote:
The thing is he was so, so persistent when we has smacked every factors argument he had presented into the ground. Much like AnomalySc2, the mindless statements made without anything backing them up were extremely annoying.
The way he argued his position was actually quite speculative by drawing parallels to somewhat related situations. Up front that sounds BS and in a way it is. But that's actually how a lot of analysts speculate minus the going through 10-k files and all. LOLs.
From my vantage point, I spend a lot of time arguing with no concrete facts other than speculation and trying to make money off of that. So I don't find it annoying tbh, tbh I see it as the only way to figure things out when there's such asymmetric information. Maybe it's a difference of opinion and position (i.e. careers).
Of course, like I said. Such speculation is bound to be wrong OFTEN. It's just that it allows you to be a genius when you're right and make tons of money. So not annoying to me. I guess I saw it different than you guys.
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There is so so many problems with trying to sell the IPL to someone.
- It loses money rather then earning money.
- The name itself is pretty much worthless to anyone but IGN.
- If IGN dumped IPL and it's employees you could just hire them to start your own unless they have a non compete that has some ridiculous amount of years attached to it. Sort of like when TBS contracted with Conan after his non compete / contract ran out.
The only buyers I could see for the IPL as it is now without changing it drastically would be a media outlet of some sort, or some completely out of left field rich esports fanatic. The 2nd of course assuming the price tag was extremely reasonable for a division of IGN that eats money rather then makes it.
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I guess reading is pretty hard. Seems that IPL is still alive, so this one goes to me sir
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On March 07 2013 03:57 kollin wrote:I guess reading is pretty hard. Seems that IPL is still alive, so this one goes to me sir
the guy i am talking about said he'd let the MODs decide.
furthermore, i think it was you who stated if IPL is not sold you get a ban upon Kenningit challenging your comment.
well, IPL does not look like its being sold.
i say we let Kenningit call it.
were you the same guy who said "money is not relavent because its an investment"
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Yes, because that's what esports tournaments are. I challenge you to find one tournament that reliably makes decent amounts of profit off esports tournaments. I wish you luck in doing so.
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as long as it goes to someone who continues to improve its production then i dont care.
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Whats up with IGN atm?
Seems like they only do reruns of WOL stuff thats like a month old. Will they produce any HOTS content? If no why rerun the old WOL stuff around the clock?
So, will they produce HOTS content or are they done with SC2?
gg yall
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On March 22 2013 11:05 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Whats up with IGN atm?
Seems like they only do reruns of WOL stuff thats like a month old. Will they produce any HOTS content? If no why rerun the old WOL stuff around the clock?
So, will they produce HOTS content or are they done with SC2?
gg yall
They probably as done with SC2 as you are with Hercules
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On March 22 2013 11:12 ninjamyst wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 11:05 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Whats up with IGN atm?
Seems like they only do reruns of WOL stuff thats like a month old. Will they produce any HOTS content? If no why rerun the old WOL stuff around the clock?
So, will they produce HOTS content or are they done with SC2?
gg yall They probably as done with SC2 as you are with Hercules
LOL nice one. I chuckled. Luckily I kept practicing the special handshake in case they need my suave self on tv again.
on point ; it sucks because if they somewhat lacked in quality, quantity of content was nice.
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