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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-26 16:45:59
February 26 2013 16:43 GMT
#421
and if NASL Season 4 had made money ... let's say.. in the way UFC 129 did.... NASL Season 5 would've started the next week.

once again.. making money is relevant.

and any time the "investor" behind this "investment" pulls the plug you end up with the Phoenix Coyotes.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
February 26 2013 16:50 GMT
#422
On February 27 2013 01:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
and if NASL Season 4 had made money ... let's say.. in the way UFC 129 did.... NASL Season 5 would've started the next week.

once again.. making money is relevant.

and any time the "investor" behind this "investment" pulls the plug you end up with the Phoenix Coyotes.

No, if it had made money they still would have waited until HotS. Even if you do run a full season of NASL, you end up with one of two things. The players WoL skill is lower, as they have been practicing the HotS beta. Or the players HotS skill is lower, because they have been solely practicing WoL. Both of these things are bad, and I don't imagine NASL need to rush put each season. Stop making ridiculous claims as if you know what's going on. I don't know why you are putting investment in quotation marks, as that is what all these tournaments are.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
February 26 2013 17:03 GMT
#423
its simple, stop the obfuscation.

IPL is losing money and is integrated with IGN.com. That integration is being severed. David Ting constantly lauded management for giving him "everything he could ask for''.
The probability of finding someone not only with the MONEY but the SPECIALIZED RESOURCES IGN.com brought to IPL is very low.
IPL will be jettisoned in a cost cutting decision and they will fold.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-26 17:06:11
February 26 2013 17:05 GMT
#424
On February 27 2013 02:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
its simple, stop the obfuscation.

IPL is losing money and is integrated with IGN.com. That integration is being severed. David Ting constantly lauded management for giving him "everything he could ask for''.
The probability of finding someone not only with the MONEY but the SPECIALIZED RESOURCES IGN.com brought to IPL is very low.
IPL will be jettisoned in a cost cutting decision and they will fold.

Sure thing. Thanks for the expert business analysis.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 26 2013 17:43 GMT
#425
On February 27 2013 01:34 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 01:23 kollin wrote:
On February 27 2013 00:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On February 27 2013 00:50 Rowrin wrote:
On February 27 2013 00:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On February 27 2013 00:01 Doodsmack wrote:
On February 26 2013 23:40 OptronX wrote:
I really hope this doesn't mean IPL is "ending" as some people are saying. I've been watching IPL for awhile now and I really enjoy having viewing parties with my friends and enjoying the matches together. Let's all hope that these "interested parties" will acquire it successfully and not change too much about it other than the helping them be more financially stable.


IPL employees are saying they're fine, while two randoms in this thread are saying they're not (relying solely on assumptions about the decline of sc2 in general rather than any insider information). I know who I believe.


WRONG.

SC2 is just fine and has formed a nice little revenue stream for ATVI.

IPL is a money losing operation. Ziff Davis, and Newscorp want nothing to do with IPL.

The employees at THQ said everything was just fine. When employees tell me everything is just fine I take it with a grain of salt.

If IPL were making money this would be a non-issue. They could just hand the keys to David Ting and call it a day.
However, IPL is losing money and needs a sugar daddy.

As the employees of IPL begin looking for other jobs it is within their best interests to tell prospective employers that IPL is just great with a long and amazing future ahead of it. This creates competition for their services as an employee. Telling prospective employers that IPL is about to fold weakens their bargaining position.


Which explains why IPL was planning 4 events this year as opposed to just 2 last year?


that plan was announced in december 2012 when they were still owned by IGN.com and Newscorp.
in that same interview by GameSpot David Ting stated he could make 'no promises' if IGN.com is sold to someone else.
pretty responsible move by David Ting to keep things real.

also, many of David Ting's future plans for IPL revolved around console titles due to their presence on IGN.com.
with IGN.com selling IPL....

You seem to emphasise that IPL is not making money quite a lot. The thing is that's not really relevant. I can't say for sure, but MrBitter definitely said he thought NASL lost money last year yet they are continuing events. I'm pretty sure MLG only breaks even, yet they are continuing events. You have to remember that all of these tournaments are investments, and if the organisation investing in the tournament needs money desparately, they'll sell the investment to someone else. On top of that, your stupid assumption that MLG or NASL or Dreamhack or any other tournament would not know that IPL is going to fold is nonsensical. These are some of the biggest people in esports, they will information such as 'Has IPL been sold?'


money is always relevant.

the more money an organization loses the higher the probability it will fold.
that is how it is relevant.

NASL and IPL have nothing to do with each other. NASL is not highly integrated with a giant video game review web site.
That said, how is that next NASL season coming along?


Yeah everyone, trust JimmyJRaynor's pontifications over the word of kibbelz, catspajamas and David ting. Because after all, those three are just trying to increase their bargaining power as they search for new jobs. LOL

And now I will bow out of this thread, and I would advise anyone else arguing with Mr. Raynor to do the same, lest you make it appear like there's a legitimate debate to be had here.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
February 26 2013 20:04 GMT
#426
argument Ad hominem

even David Ting is "not debating it".

read my post completely.
my position does not conflict with David Ting's comments.
He offered "no promises" should IGN.com be sold.


the behaviour of IPL employees will be similar to what we saw from THQ employees.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
February 26 2013 20:14 GMT
#427
On February 27 2013 02:05 kollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 02:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
its simple, stop the obfuscation.

IPL is losing money and is integrated with IGN.com. That integration is being severed. David Ting constantly lauded management for giving him "everything he could ask for''.
The probability of finding someone not only with the MONEY but the SPECIALIZED RESOURCES IGN.com brought to IPL is very low.
IPL will be jettisoned in a cost cutting decision and they will fold.

Sure thing. Thanks for the expert business analysis.


If I were all of you guys I would start whenever you see JimmyJRaynor you ignore his posts on these topics. Seriously all he does is down talk it and talk about how x is dying and why sc2/esporst/whatever is dying. Just stop reading them he even made a blog how blizzard gave up on esports already lol.
When I think of something else, something will go here
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-26 21:25:00
February 26 2013 20:55 GMT
#428
i dont use terms like "dying".

also, SC2 is just fine.

"eSports" does not depend on Blizzard's involvement.

i predicted fewer over all events and an over all lower prize pool in 2013 compared to 2012 for Sc2. that has nothing to do with 'esports dying'.

there is no WCS for 2013.

if you think IPL will have a long and prosperous future because red bull is going to buy them and that the total prize pool for SC2 is staying the same or going up...say so ..but none of that has anything to do with SC2 "dying". or esports "dying".

as it is you've provided nothing to back up any counter argument.
your smear job just lowers the signal to noise ratio of this thread.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
February 26 2013 21:24 GMT
#429
On February 27 2013 05:55 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i dont use terms like "dying".

also, SC2 is just fine.

"eSports" does not depend on Blizzard's involvement.

i predicted fewer over all events and an over all lower prize pool in 2013 compared to 2012 for Sc2. that has nothing to do with 'esports dying'.

there is no WCS for 2013.

if you think IPL will have a long and prosperous future and that the total prize pool for SC2 is staying the same or going up...say so ..but none of that has anything to do with SC2 "dying". or esports "dying".

as it is you've provided nothing to back up any counter argument.
your smear job just lowers the signal to noise ratio of this thread.

JimmyJRaynor no one cares about you anymore, you just run around calling your own speculations as evidence and proof when people time after time has proved you wrong. I'm so tired of calling you out on your bullshit that I can't even bother anymore.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-26 21:26:56
February 26 2013 21:25 GMT
#430
On February 27 2013 06:24 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 05:55 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i dont use terms like "dying".

also, SC2 is just fine.

"eSports" does not depend on Blizzard's involvement.

i predicted fewer over all events and an over all lower prize pool in 2013 compared to 2012 for Sc2. that has nothing to do with 'esports dying'.

there is no WCS for 2013.

if you think IPL will have a long and prosperous future and that the total prize pool for SC2 is staying the same or going up...say so ..but none of that has anything to do with SC2 "dying". or esports "dying".

as it is you've provided nothing to back up any counter argument.
your smear job just lowers the signal to noise ratio of this thread.

JimmyJRaynor no one cares about you anymore, you just run around calling your own speculations as evidence and proof when people time after time has proved you wrong. I'm so tired of calling you out on your bullshit that I can't even bother anymore.


how is THQ doing, how about the Phoenix Coyotes?
how many games did the BLue Jays win last year?
how was the Philadelphia Phillies offense?
ya, thanks.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
February 26 2013 21:26 GMT
#431
How are any of those things even REMOTELY relevant?
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
February 26 2013 21:26 GMT
#432
On February 27 2013 06:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 06:24 Integra wrote:
On February 27 2013 05:55 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i dont use terms like "dying".

also, SC2 is just fine.

"eSports" does not depend on Blizzard's involvement.

i predicted fewer over all events and an over all lower prize pool in 2013 compared to 2012 for Sc2. that has nothing to do with 'esports dying'.

there is no WCS for 2013.

if you think IPL will have a long and prosperous future and that the total prize pool for SC2 is staying the same or going up...say so ..but none of that has anything to do with SC2 "dying". or esports "dying".

as it is you've provided nothing to back up any counter argument.
your smear job just lowers the signal to noise ratio of this thread.

JimmyJRaynor no one cares about you anymore, you just run around calling your own speculations as evidence and proof when people time after time has proved you wrong. I'm so tired of calling you out on your bullshit that I can't even bother anymore.


how is THQ doing, how about the Phoenix Coyotes?
how many games did the BLue Jays win last year?

Why don't you ask them that individually, you will prolly get a better answer from them than from me
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-26 21:31:01
February 26 2013 21:28 GMT
#433
On February 27 2013 06:26 kollin wrote:
How are any of those things even REMOTELY relevant?

direct response to an incorrect blanket statement.
i added the philadelphia phillies offense.
where i was called a "hater" for saying their offense would be average... they finished 8th in runs scored in the NL.
part of my evidence was that Pat Gillick didnt like the team's offense either.
I guess Gillick is an idiot.

the thing about claiming i am saying SC2 is dying is good for a laugh though.

User was temp banned for this post.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
February 26 2013 21:29 GMT
#434
Ok sweet. Let me make some claims where I was correct without providing evidence!
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
February 26 2013 21:31 GMT
#435
On February 27 2013 05:55 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i predicted fewer over all events and an over all lower prize pool in 2013 compared to 2012 for Sc2. that has nothing to do with 'esports dying'.

there is no WCS for 2013.

Apparently you can't count past 1?

WCS is gone. Blizzcon is back. OSL is in. PL is in.

GSL's prize pool has increased slightly, IEM's has increased slightly. OSL and PL both have big prize pools.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-26 21:34:39
February 26 2013 21:32 GMT
#436
On February 27 2013 06:29 kollin wrote:
Ok sweet. Let me make some claims where I was correct without providing evidence!

it was all made on the TL.Net forum.
do your own searching. i'm sure TL.Net could use the additional clicks.

furthermore, i'm countering a generalized blanket statement.

the Blue Jay debate was a long and ugly one...all along i said their pitching was crap and they traded away too much pitching.. then we got to august and then the arguing stopped.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
February 26 2013 21:41 GMT
#437
Wow your...sport prediction skills are so good. So how is it relevant to business again?
Dundron2000
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1140 Posts
February 26 2013 21:42 GMT
#438
On February 27 2013 06:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 06:26 kollin wrote:
How are any of those things even REMOTELY relevant?

direct response to an incorrect blanket statement.
i added the philadelphia phillies offense.
where i was called a "hater" for saying their offense would be average... they finished 8th in runs scored in the NL.
part of my evidence was that Pat Gillick didnt like the team's offense either.
I guess Gillick is an idiot.

the thing about claiming i am saying SC2 is dying is good for a laugh though.


i think the question was how are any of those things remotely relevant.
n.Die_Jaedong
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
February 26 2013 22:33 GMT
#439
i have no idea why Blade5555 is claiming i said SC2 is dying.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
February 26 2013 22:34 GMT
#440
Ok you avoided the question.
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