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On February 25 2013 04:28 Gingerninja wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2013 21:09 Conti wrote:On February 24 2013 18:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 18:23 kollin wrote:That isn't relevant at all. i was questioned as having no facts. so here they are. Bananas are yellow! There. That was a fact. I have it. Therefore I am right. I call bullshit sir, some bananas are green. IPL will fall, if there is money to be made another tournament will take its place. That's how business works.
It's the question what is cheaper, and what will get you money quicker: Creating a new tournament from scratch, or buying an existing one.
I honestly have no idea, and I dare say most of us lack the expertise to answer that question.
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On February 25 2013 04:31 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 04:28 Gingerninja wrote:On February 24 2013 21:09 Conti wrote:On February 24 2013 18:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 18:23 kollin wrote:That isn't relevant at all. i was questioned as having no facts. so here they are. Bananas are yellow! There. That was a fact. I have it. Therefore I am right. I call bullshit sir, some bananas are green. IPL will fall, if there is money to be made another tournament will take its place. That's how business works. It's the question what is cheaper, and what will get you money quicker: Creating a new tournament from scratch, or buying an existing one. I honestly have no idea, and I dare say most of us lack the expertise to answer that question.
Buying an existing business is faster than building one from scratch, as long as the existing infrastructure is what you'll use.
The "cheapness" is entirely dependent on the agreed upon price, and if you plan to cut costs and services once you own it.
Honestly, if anyone is planning to create a tournament, they would be foolish to pass up on the IPL franchise. They have the staff, the broadcast equipment, expertise, etc. The question is if there's anyone that wants to start an E-Sport tournament.
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Hope Kevin and the rest of the IPL staff find somewhere good for them
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Considering the boom in esports viewership from LoL, I'm amazed IPL is struggling. Tournaments need to be really flexible at this fledgling stage of esports development- the community can't even agree on what we all want to watch!
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I think i read an article about how this has been an issue earlier.
I really love IPL for what they have done for E-sports, their production quality and their rebroadcasts. I love having the opportunity to watch their stream at any time, both live and rebroadcasts, which is easy to take for granted.
I really hope they will be able to keep doing what they do! Wish them the Best of luck!
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It's not clear to me whether esports has been making more money and growing or declining. Or just changing. Not sure how to measure that. IPL is a great tournament.
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Good Questions man!
IPL is scheduled for 4 live events this year!
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I don't see any questions.
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Waittttt, what will happen to BorderLands 1 multiplayer if GameSpy is shutting down o.o I'm assuming Steam will be taking over for multiplayer servers?
Man, this is way more important than I thought.
With IPL6 still en route, hopefully Mr.Ting can work things out to keep atleast IPL afloat.
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On February 26 2013 07:51 Master of DalK wrote:
Waittttt, what will happen to BorderLands 1 multiplayer if GameSpy is shutting down o.o I'm assuming Steam will be taking over for multiplayer servers?
Man, this is way more important than I thought.
The GameSpy website is a different company from the GameSpy that runs the online game services, the latter is owned by GLU and not going away.
http://pc.gamespy.com/articles/122/1226912p1.html
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If IGN sells you can't exactly call it *IGN* Pro League. Guess there will be a name change.
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On February 25 2013 06:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 04:31 Conti wrote:On February 25 2013 04:28 Gingerninja wrote:On February 24 2013 21:09 Conti wrote:On February 24 2013 18:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 24 2013 18:23 kollin wrote:That isn't relevant at all. i was questioned as having no facts. so here they are. Bananas are yellow! There. That was a fact. I have it. Therefore I am right. I call bullshit sir, some bananas are green. IPL will fall, if there is money to be made another tournament will take its place. That's how business works. It's the question what is cheaper, and what will get you money quicker: Creating a new tournament from scratch, or buying an existing one. I honestly have no idea, and I dare say most of us lack the expertise to answer that question. Buying an existing business is faster than building one from scratch, as long as the existing infrastructure is what you'll use. The "cheapness" is entirely dependent on the agreed upon price, and if you plan to cut costs and services once you own it. Honestly, if anyone is planning to create a tournament, they would be foolish to pass up on the IPL franchise. They have the staff, the broadcast equipment, expertise, etc. The question is if there's anyone that wants to start an E-Sport tournament.
I want to own it, I just personally don't have that kind of money. :/
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I really hope this doesn't mean IPL is "ending" as some people are saying. I've been watching IPL for awhile now and I really enjoy having viewing parties with my friends and enjoying the matches together. Let's all hope that these "interested parties" will acquire it successfully and not change too much about it other than the helping them be more financially stable.
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On February 26 2013 23:40 OptronX wrote:
I really hope this doesn't mean IPL is "ending" as some people are saying. I've been watching IPL for awhile now and I really enjoy having viewing parties with my friends and enjoying the matches together. Let's all hope that these "interested parties" will acquire it successfully and not change too much about it other than the helping them be more financially stable.
IPL employees are saying they're fine, while two randoms in this thread are saying they're not (relying solely on assumptions about the decline of sc2 in general rather than any insider information). I know who I believe.
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On February 27 2013 00:01 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 23:40 OptronX wrote:
I really hope this doesn't mean IPL is "ending" as some people are saying. I've been watching IPL for awhile now and I really enjoy having viewing parties with my friends and enjoying the matches together. Let's all hope that these "interested parties" will acquire it successfully and not change too much about it other than the helping them be more financially stable. IPL employees are saying they're fine, while two randoms in this thread are saying they're not (relying solely on assumptions about the decline of sc2 in general rather than any insider information). I know who I believe.
WRONG.
SC2 is just fine and has formed a nice little revenue stream for ATVI.
IPL is a money losing operation. Ziff Davis, and Newscorp want nothing to do with IPL.
The employees at THQ said everything was just fine. When employees tell me everything is just fine I take it with a grain of salt.
If IPL were making money this would be a non-issue. They could just hand the keys to David Ting and call it a day.
However, IPL is losing money and needs a sugar daddy.
As the employees of IPL begin looking for other jobs it is within their best interests to tell prospective employers that IPL is just great with a long and amazing future ahead of it. This creates competition for their services as an employee. Telling prospective employers that IPL is about to fold weakens their bargaining position.
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On February 27 2013 00:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 00:01 Doodsmack wrote:On February 26 2013 23:40 OptronX wrote:
I really hope this doesn't mean IPL is "ending" as some people are saying. I've been watching IPL for awhile now and I really enjoy having viewing parties with my friends and enjoying the matches together. Let's all hope that these "interested parties" will acquire it successfully and not change too much about it other than the helping them be more financially stable. IPL employees are saying they're fine, while two randoms in this thread are saying they're not (relying solely on assumptions about the decline of sc2 in general rather than any insider information). I know who I believe. WRONG. SC2 is just fine and has formed a nice little revenue stream for ATVI. IPL is a money losing operation. Ziff Davis, and Newscorp want nothing to do with IPL. The employees at THQ said everything was just fine. When employees tell me everything is just fine I take it with a grain of salt. If IPL were making money this would be a non-issue. They could just hand the keys to David Ting and call it a day. However, IPL is losing money and needs a sugar daddy. As the employees of IPL begin looking for other jobs it is within their best interests to tell prospective employers that IPL is just great with a long and amazing future ahead of it. This creates competition for their services as an employee. Telling prospective employers that IPL is about to fold weakens their bargaining position.
Which explains why IPL was planning 4 events this year as opposed to just 2 last year?
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On February 27 2013 00:50 Rowrin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 00:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 27 2013 00:01 Doodsmack wrote:On February 26 2013 23:40 OptronX wrote:
I really hope this doesn't mean IPL is "ending" as some people are saying. I've been watching IPL for awhile now and I really enjoy having viewing parties with my friends and enjoying the matches together. Let's all hope that these "interested parties" will acquire it successfully and not change too much about it other than the helping them be more financially stable. IPL employees are saying they're fine, while two randoms in this thread are saying they're not (relying solely on assumptions about the decline of sc2 in general rather than any insider information). I know who I believe. WRONG. SC2 is just fine and has formed a nice little revenue stream for ATVI. IPL is a money losing operation. Ziff Davis, and Newscorp want nothing to do with IPL. The employees at THQ said everything was just fine. When employees tell me everything is just fine I take it with a grain of salt. If IPL were making money this would be a non-issue. They could just hand the keys to David Ting and call it a day. However, IPL is losing money and needs a sugar daddy. As the employees of IPL begin looking for other jobs it is within their best interests to tell prospective employers that IPL is just great with a long and amazing future ahead of it. This creates competition for their services as an employee. Telling prospective employers that IPL is about to fold weakens their bargaining position. Which explains why IPL was planning 4 events this year as opposed to just 2 last year?
that plan was announced in december 2012 when they were still owned by IGN.com and Newscorp.
in that same interview by GameSpot David Ting stated he could make 'no promises' if IGN.com is sold to someone else.
pretty responsible move by David Ting to keep things real.
also, many of David Ting's future plans for IPL revolved around console titles due to their presence on IGN.com.
with IGN.com selling IPL....
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On February 27 2013 00:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 00:50 Rowrin wrote:On February 27 2013 00:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 27 2013 00:01 Doodsmack wrote:On February 26 2013 23:40 OptronX wrote:
I really hope this doesn't mean IPL is "ending" as some people are saying. I've been watching IPL for awhile now and I really enjoy having viewing parties with my friends and enjoying the matches together. Let's all hope that these "interested parties" will acquire it successfully and not change too much about it other than the helping them be more financially stable. IPL employees are saying they're fine, while two randoms in this thread are saying they're not (relying solely on assumptions about the decline of sc2 in general rather than any insider information). I know who I believe. WRONG. SC2 is just fine and has formed a nice little revenue stream for ATVI. IPL is a money losing operation. Ziff Davis, and Newscorp want nothing to do with IPL. The employees at THQ said everything was just fine. When employees tell me everything is just fine I take it with a grain of salt. If IPL were making money this would be a non-issue. They could just hand the keys to David Ting and call it a day. However, IPL is losing money and needs a sugar daddy. As the employees of IPL begin looking for other jobs it is within their best interests to tell prospective employers that IPL is just great with a long and amazing future ahead of it. This creates competition for their services as an employee. Telling prospective employers that IPL is about to fold weakens their bargaining position. Which explains why IPL was planning 4 events this year as opposed to just 2 last year? that plan was announced in december 2012 when they were still owned by IGN.com and Newscorp. in that same interview by GameSpot David Ting stated he could make 'no promises' if IGN.com is sold to someone else. pretty responsible move by David Ting to keep things real. also, many of David Ting's future plans for IPL revolved around console titles due to their presence on IGN.com. with IGN.com selling IPL....
You seem to emphasise that IPL is not making money quite a lot. The thing is that's not really relevant. I can't say for sure, but MrBitter definitely said he thought NASL lost money last year yet they are continuing events. I'm pretty sure MLG only breaks even, yet they are continuing events. You have to remember that all of these tournaments are investments, and if the organisation investing in the tournament needs money desparately, they'll sell the investment to someone else. On top of that, your stupid assumption that MLG or NASL or Dreamhack or any other tournament would not know that IPL is going to fold is nonsensical. These are some of the biggest people in esports, they will information such as 'Has IPL been sold?'
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On February 27 2013 01:23 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 00:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 27 2013 00:50 Rowrin wrote:On February 27 2013 00:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 27 2013 00:01 Doodsmack wrote:On February 26 2013 23:40 OptronX wrote:
I really hope this doesn't mean IPL is "ending" as some people are saying. I've been watching IPL for awhile now and I really enjoy having viewing parties with my friends and enjoying the matches together. Let's all hope that these "interested parties" will acquire it successfully and not change too much about it other than the helping them be more financially stable. IPL employees are saying they're fine, while two randoms in this thread are saying they're not (relying solely on assumptions about the decline of sc2 in general rather than any insider information). I know who I believe. WRONG. SC2 is just fine and has formed a nice little revenue stream for ATVI. IPL is a money losing operation. Ziff Davis, and Newscorp want nothing to do with IPL. The employees at THQ said everything was just fine. When employees tell me everything is just fine I take it with a grain of salt. If IPL were making money this would be a non-issue. They could just hand the keys to David Ting and call it a day. However, IPL is losing money and needs a sugar daddy. As the employees of IPL begin looking for other jobs it is within their best interests to tell prospective employers that IPL is just great with a long and amazing future ahead of it. This creates competition for their services as an employee. Telling prospective employers that IPL is about to fold weakens their bargaining position. Which explains why IPL was planning 4 events this year as opposed to just 2 last year? that plan was announced in december 2012 when they were still owned by IGN.com and Newscorp. in that same interview by GameSpot David Ting stated he could make 'no promises' if IGN.com is sold to someone else. pretty responsible move by David Ting to keep things real. also, many of David Ting's future plans for IPL revolved around console titles due to their presence on IGN.com. with IGN.com selling IPL.... You seem to emphasise that IPL is not making money quite a lot. The thing is that's not really relevant. I can't say for sure, but MrBitter definitely said he thought NASL lost money last year yet they are continuing events. I'm pretty sure MLG only breaks even, yet they are continuing events. You have to remember that all of these tournaments are investments, and if the organisation investing in the tournament needs money desparately, they'll sell the investment to someone else. On top of that, your stupid assumption that MLG or NASL or Dreamhack or any other tournament would not know that IPL is going to fold is nonsensical. These are some of the biggest people in esports, they will information such as 'Has IPL been sold?'
money is always relevant.
the more money an organization loses the higher the probability it will fold.
that is how it is relevant.
NASL and IPL have nothing to do with each other. NASL is not highly integrated with a giant video game review web site.
That said, how is that next NASL season coming along?
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On February 27 2013 01:34 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 01:23 kollin wrote:On February 27 2013 00:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 27 2013 00:50 Rowrin wrote:On February 27 2013 00:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 27 2013 00:01 Doodsmack wrote:On February 26 2013 23:40 OptronX wrote:
I really hope this doesn't mean IPL is "ending" as some people are saying. I've been watching IPL for awhile now and I really enjoy having viewing parties with my friends and enjoying the matches together. Let's all hope that these "interested parties" will acquire it successfully and not change too much about it other than the helping them be more financially stable. IPL employees are saying they're fine, while two randoms in this thread are saying they're not (relying solely on assumptions about the decline of sc2 in general rather than any insider information). I know who I believe. WRONG. SC2 is just fine and has formed a nice little revenue stream for ATVI. IPL is a money losing operation. Ziff Davis, and Newscorp want nothing to do with IPL. The employees at THQ said everything was just fine. When employees tell me everything is just fine I take it with a grain of salt. If IPL were making money this would be a non-issue. They could just hand the keys to David Ting and call it a day. However, IPL is losing money and needs a sugar daddy. As the employees of IPL begin looking for other jobs it is within their best interests to tell prospective employers that IPL is just great with a long and amazing future ahead of it. This creates competition for their services as an employee. Telling prospective employers that IPL is about to fold weakens their bargaining position. Which explains why IPL was planning 4 events this year as opposed to just 2 last year? that plan was announced in december 2012 when they were still owned by IGN.com and Newscorp. in that same interview by GameSpot David Ting stated he could make 'no promises' if IGN.com is sold to someone else. pretty responsible move by David Ting to keep things real. also, many of David Ting's future plans for IPL revolved around console titles due to their presence on IGN.com. with IGN.com selling IPL.... You seem to emphasise that IPL is not making money quite a lot. The thing is that's not really relevant. I can't say for sure, but MrBitter definitely said he thought NASL lost money last year yet they are continuing events. I'm pretty sure MLG only breaks even, yet they are continuing events. You have to remember that all of these tournaments are investments, and if the organisation investing in the tournament needs money desparately, they'll sell the investment to someone else. On top of that, your stupid assumption that MLG or NASL or Dreamhack or any other tournament would not know that IPL is going to fold is nonsensical. These are some of the biggest people in esports, they will information such as 'Has IPL been sold?' money is always relevant. the more money an organization loses the higher the probability it will fold. that is how it is relevant. NASL and IPL have nothing to do with each other. That said, how is that next NASL season coming along?
They're waiting until HotS release. In the meantime, they're producing filler content in the form of The Pulse. It seems you didn't read my post, as I said most tournaments aren't profiting as it is an investment.
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