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Supah
708 Posts
On October 24 2012 05:52 Gentso wrote: By denying an opponent's third... Protoss is strong with two bases. Denying a third, hahahahaha What current metagame build even does that? Unless you count super greedy Zergs who are not prepared for the +1 4 Zealot warp in, I'm not really sure of any builds designed to kill/prevent a third that aren't all ins. | ||
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IMHope
Korea (South)1241 Posts
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Fatam
1986 Posts
If the mapmaker just inverted the 3rd to be a highground instead of a lowground it would help a lot. But even then it would probably be slightly tricky for P to take a 3rd. Oh well, another map where all PvZs will be 2 base all-ins. Yay. Just shows that even the most competent tournament we have is still pretty damn incompetent when it comes to maps. The tournaments really need to start listening to the community. | ||
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IceFire
United States183 Posts
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
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XaMaXaM
Germany113 Posts
On October 23 2012 21:19 GTR wrote: Remove Ohana, but not Antiga or Entombed (or even Daybreak)? Really? I think exactly the same Ohana was such a good map and all of the jokes^^ But Antiga stays in -.- PvT and PvZ is such a ______ | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On October 24 2012 06:27 IceFire wrote: This new map looks exactly like Ohana, but bigger and with ramps its nothing like ohana ... ? or do you mean because it has ... grass and sand? | ||
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Drumhead
24 Posts
remove toss's only win map, keep the other races free win maps, and add yet another map with an impossible to take 3rd. Yay | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On October 24 2012 06:39 Drumhead wrote: guess gom doesnt want any toss in code S after this season They rented out a gigantic beach and then PvP happened. Don't blame them. | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
edit: wtf didnt notice they removed ohana. That sucks... Why dont remove whirlwind instead :/ | ||
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Arachne
South Africa426 Posts
On October 24 2012 02:14 IPA wrote: 1. See a map for the first time 2. Making sweeping generalization Excellent! Map looks great and the pool is fantastic overall. I am a Z and I hate Antiga but I know it can create some interesting games -- not every map needs to favor us.  See map 1st time, Look at map, look at ramps, see multiple large access points to where protoss's 3rd can be, analyze likelihood of toss making mutiple 4 gateway walls, cross reference with the distance of the natural's minerals to the main's minerals to the likely location of the 3rd, and the distance to those mineral's, predict Muta from zerg most games vs toss, see toss scrambling to hold muta play, leaving two base timings as the stronger option, realize that toss 2 base timings have been mostly figured out, even the dreaded 2 base sentry immo push, make sweeping generalization. | ||
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TheRooster
Sweden719 Posts
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sitromit
7051 Posts
http://www.playxp.com/sc2/maps/pds/view.php?article_id=3959428&category=9909 | ||
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ConRa
Sweden42 Posts
On October 23 2012 21:19 GTR wrote: Remove Ohana, but not Antiga or Entombed (or even Daybreak)? Really? Not Daybreak. It's clearly the best map in SC2 right now and have been for a period of time, it's very balanced. | ||
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cLAN.Anax
United States2847 Posts
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
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Gentso
United States2218 Posts
On October 24 2012 06:24 Supah wrote: Denying a third, hahahahaha What current metagame build even does that? Unless you count super greedy Zergs who are not prepared for the +1 4 Zealot warp in, I'm not really sure of any builds designed to kill/prevent a third that aren't all ins. Not playing standard is the best way to win. Zerg thirds die to skillful Protoss pushes. Not zealot warp ins though. more like immortal pushes with warp prism micro. | ||
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Incomplet
United Kingdom1419 Posts
Whirlwind: TvZ: 15-17 (46.9%) [ Games ] ZvP: 11-12 (47.8%) [ Games ] PvT: 16-12 (57.1%) [ Games ] Verdict: Even with big advantage for Protoss against Terran Cloud Kingdom TvZ: 88-82 (51.8%) ZvP: 86-79 (52.1%) PvT: 89-86 (50.9%) Verdict: Balanced Entombed Valley: TvZ: 65-83 (43.9%) ZvP: 75-100 (42.9%) PvT: 99-104 (48.8%) Verdict: Terran struggles against zerg, who struggle against Protoss Antiga: TvZ: 121-109 (52.6%) ZvP: 91-76 (54.5%) PvT: 117-118 (49.8%) Verdict: Balanced Daybreak: TvZ: 150-153 (49.5%) ZvP: 137-151 (47.6%) PvT: 149-136 (52.3%) Verdict: Balanced Abyssal City: TvZ: 6-7 (46.2%) ZvP: 3-3 (50%) PvT: 6-6 (50%) Verdict: Balanced -> Not enough games for accurate verdict. Belshir Vistage: ??? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ REMOVED - Ohana: TvZ: 79-63 (55.6%) ZvP: 63-78 (44.7%) PvT: 75-65 (53.6%) Verdict: Zerg dies on this map. Protoss vs Terran Balanced. | ||
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SilSol
Sweden2744 Posts
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kinglemon
Germany199 Posts
On October 23 2012 21:19 GTR wrote: Remove Ohana, but not Antiga or Entombed (or even Daybreak)? Really? good decision, ohana was boring. | ||
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