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On August 31 2012 11:46 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 11:41 KillingVector wrote:On August 31 2012 11:26 Edahspmal wrote:On August 31 2012 11:22 KillingVector wrote:On August 31 2012 08:52 Radin wrote:Um, this girl made a post explaining how she hacked Destiny's twitter and posted a picture of his dick because she felt betrayed by something he did with his friends in private. She brought the public into this, not Fayth or Destiny. If she didn't want scrutiny, she should have handled the situation in a more private manner with Destiny himself. The ridicule she is getting is self-inflicted and has nothing to do with Fayth. If she hasn't done anything to Fayth, then he shouldn't come on TL and insult her. He has the right to not apologize. If he decides not to, then he should just try to keep silent on public forums. Maybe only breaking silence to clear up misinformation, but even this can be a little bit sketchy. She caused him to lose his teammate. She leaked his private conversation, which caused him to be suspended for a month. She indirectly hurt his reputation, but hurt it nonetheless. Causing him to lose a teammate (I'm not quite sure its fair to credit her as the sole cause, but let's forget that) isn't reason for him to publicly insult her. Its a decision made by his team. Sure, it hurts, and he can curse her in private as much as he wants. However, it is not appropriate for him to publicly humiliate her. His suspension, again, is a team decision. It is also the fact that he is involved with the incident that makes it so much more inappropriate for him to publicly humiliate her. A copy of a chat log is damning, but doesn't amount to her insulting him. And I think the idea that she leaked the conversation are accusations he made in this forum (maybe put forward as wild guesses by people before him, but he's certainly a witness to this whole thing and carries more relevance) without any opportunity for her rebuttal. That is a completely different taboo. If you don't like something Fayth said here, am I correct in assuming you disagree with bluetea's own decision to drag this private incident onto the internet and use a personal army recruited from reddit to turn this into a spectacle?
Yes, I think its fair to say she grossly overreacted, but that really is irrelevant to the appropriateness of what Fayth said here.
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On August 31 2012 11:26 pieisamazing wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 11:21 bakarin wrote:On August 31 2012 11:19 Prophanity wrote:On August 31 2012 11:14 bakarin wrote:
I just realized that NA players can be so bad at the game and stir up this kind of drama while EU and KR players work their asses off to be good at the game and not humiliate themselves with drama. Ignorant. There are bad players everywhere just as there are good players. There is drama coming from all sides, as well. Naniwa is full of drama. Stephano has his drama. MMA and SlayerS JUST had their drama. Oh right I stand corrected some EU and KR have dramas, but they don't humiliate themselves this low and they are actually good players. lol you're really asking for it, huh?
Just don't care about that. You need to learn how to ignore stuff that bothers you 
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Thanks you two for agreeing with my post.
Well....this is just my opinion ok....yes the girl did a terrible thing that has terrible impact, however, what Destiny did in the first place (Sharing nude pics of her to his friends) is already.....wrong of course. Why the hell would you want to do that? I can understand why she went furious and retaliated the way she did.
Everything wouldn't have started if Destiny didn't share her nude pics in the first place.....everything would've been ok if Destiny just grew up and mature more, instead of sharing nude pics...maybe Destiny thought that by sharing nude pics of a girl to his friends, he would be considered "cool", or "a manly man", as is the common perspective of man in today's world.
Then again, it all comes down to what you believe in. If you believe sharing nude pics with your friends is ok, then....well, that is your way of thinking. Some people find that just offensive and weird..
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On August 31 2012 11:41 KillingVector wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 11:26 Edahspmal wrote:On August 31 2012 11:22 KillingVector wrote:On August 31 2012 08:52 Radin wrote:Um, this girl made a post explaining how she hacked Destiny's twitter and posted a picture of his dick because she felt betrayed by something he did with his friends in private. She brought the public into this, not Fayth or Destiny. If she didn't want scrutiny, she should have handled the situation in a more private manner with Destiny himself. The ridicule she is getting is self-inflicted and has nothing to do with Fayth. If she hasn't done anything to Fayth, then he shouldn't come on TL and insult her. He has the right to not apologize. If he decides not to, then he should just try to keep silent on public forums. Maybe only breaking silence to clear up misinformation, but even this can be a little bit sketchy. She caused him to lose his teammate. She leaked his private conversation, which caused him to be suspended for a month. She indirectly hurt his reputation, but hurt it nonetheless. Causing him to lose a teammate (I'm not quite sure its fair to credit her as the sole cause, but let's forget that) isn't reason for him to publicly insult her. Its a decision made by his team. Sure, it hurts, and he can curse her in private as much as he wants. However, it is not appropriate for him to publicly humiliate her. His suspension, again, is a team decision. It is also the fact that he is involved with the incident that makes it so much more inappropriate for him to publicly humiliate her. A copy of a chat log is damning, but doesn't amount to her insulting him. And I think the idea that she leaked the conversation are accusations he made in this forum (maybe put forward as wild guesses by people before him, but he's certainly a witness to this whole thing and carries more relevance) without any opportunity for her rebuttal. That is a completely different taboo.
First, what do you mean "let's forget that"? This is definitely cause for him to be bitter. And I think it's definitely fair to give her major credit for losing his teammate. She was creeping on his twitter in a private conversation, then took this public. If that didn't happen, this thread wouldn't exist, Destiny would still be on ROOT, and nothing changes except she realizes she was dumb for trusting Destiny. Second, Fayth didn't publicly insult her. He was being a typical male with his friends. We all have conversations with our friends where we say someone is attractive or not. You do this, I do this, Fayth+TT1+Destiny do this. Only once she made this conversation public did Fayth reiterate what he said before. He didn't randomly insult her without cause.
Yes. It was a team decision. That's irrelevant because it wouldn't have happened if Bluetea didn't invade their privacy and make a stupid decision. CatZ wouldn't give a fuck if he had read that himself in their private chat. It only matters because she made it public.
She did leak the conversation. Maybe that misunderstanding is why you're arguing?
http://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/yt1a8/to_spare_erin_heres_whats_going_on/
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On August 31 2012 12:11 dynwar7 wrote:
Thanks you two for agreeing with my post.
Well....this is just my opinion ok....yes the girl did a terrible thing that has terrible impact, however, what Destiny did in the first place (Sharing nude pics of her to his friends) is already.....wrong of course. Why the hell would you want to do that? I can understand why she went furious and retaliated the way she did.
Everything wouldn't have started if Destiny didn't share her nude pics in the first place.....everything would've been ok if Destiny just grew up and mature more, instead of sharing nude pics...maybe Destiny thought that by sharing nude pics of a girl to his friends, he would be considered "cool", or "a manly man", as is the common perspective of man in today's world.
Then again, it all comes down to what you believe in. If you believe sharing nude pics with your friends is ok, then....well, that is your way of thinking. Some people find that just offensive and weird..
Well the thing is (and I may be talking out of my butt here) that I don't think the others even really knew the girl (Again, maybe they did and I'm off it). If that's the case, Destiny showing the pics reads in my mind as "Hey guys, check out these naked pics of this girl you don't know and will never really know with nothing truly negative happening because this will never get out and it'll be a thing just between us guys."
Yet, the...information...that was leaked to the public by this girl was 1) spread to a GREAT deal more people and 2) spread to people that matter-of-factly know Destiny on some level.
Childish, for sure, but for me it comes down to intent: Destiny had no ill will directed at the girl in any form that was ever intended to be personally harmful to her as she was never to find out; she, on the other hand, did have malicious intent and actively sought to cause harm to him both personally and professionally.
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On August 31 2012 12:11 Edahspmal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 11:41 KillingVector wrote:On August 31 2012 11:26 Edahspmal wrote:On August 31 2012 11:22 KillingVector wrote:On August 31 2012 08:52 Radin wrote:Um, this girl made a post explaining how she hacked Destiny's twitter and posted a picture of his dick because she felt betrayed by something he did with his friends in private. She brought the public into this, not Fayth or Destiny. If she didn't want scrutiny, she should have handled the situation in a more private manner with Destiny himself. The ridicule she is getting is self-inflicted and has nothing to do with Fayth. If she hasn't done anything to Fayth, then he shouldn't come on TL and insult her. He has the right to not apologize. If he decides not to, then he should just try to keep silent on public forums. Maybe only breaking silence to clear up misinformation, but even this can be a little bit sketchy. She caused him to lose his teammate. She leaked his private conversation, which caused him to be suspended for a month. She indirectly hurt his reputation, but hurt it nonetheless. Causing him to lose a teammate (I'm not quite sure its fair to credit her as the sole cause, but let's forget that) isn't reason for him to publicly insult her. Its a decision made by his team. Sure, it hurts, and he can curse her in private as much as he wants. However, it is not appropriate for him to publicly humiliate her. His suspension, again, is a team decision. It is also the fact that he is involved with the incident that makes it so much more inappropriate for him to publicly humiliate her. A copy of a chat log is damning, but doesn't amount to her insulting him. And I think the idea that she leaked the conversation are accusations he made in this forum (maybe put forward as wild guesses by people before him, but he's certainly a witness to this whole thing and carries more relevance) without any opportunity for her rebuttal. That is a completely different taboo. First, what do you mean "let's forget that"? This is definitely cause for him to be bitter. And I think it's definitely fair to give her major credit for losing his teammate. She was creeping on his twitter in a private conversation, then took this public. If that didn't happen, this thread wouldn't exist, Destiny would still be on ROOT, and nothing changes except she realizes she was dumb for trusting Destiny. Second, Fayth didn't publicly insult her. He was being a typical male with his friends. We all have conversations with our friends where we say someone is attractive or not. You do this, I do this, Fayth+TT1+Destiny do this. Only once she made this conversation public did Fayth reiterate what he said before. He didn't randomly insult her without cause. Yes. It was a team decision. That's irrelevant because it wouldn't have happened if Bluetea didn't invade their privacy and make a stupid decision. CatZ wouldn't give a fuck if he had read that himself in their private chat. It only matters because she made it public. She did leak the conversation. Maybe that misunderstanding is why you're arguing? http://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/yt1a8/to_spare_erin_heres_whats_going_on/
By "let's forget that" I am conceding the argument in parentheses. Arguing from the position that she is the sole cause of Destiny leaving ROOT.
I'm not discussing his private conversation. I am discussing his choice to come on here and reiterate his insults. Being mad at her doesn't give him right to publicly humiliate her. There is also no reason to reiterate his insults if they are public record.
I can't speak for CatZ and you really shouldn't speculate either. Making the chat log public does not equal a personal attack on Fayth.
In the link you are referencing, she claims she received the chat logs from someone. Maybe we are in disagreement on the word "leak"?
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gogo destiny ! right way to do stuff :D
all the white knights talking about how they would never do that.... yeah right ;D as if even 1% of the human population was like this :DDD made me smile quite a lot
keep it up !
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Everybody stop saying crap like "it's unfortunate, that's the way it is" or "yea it sucks and is wrong but that's the way the world is".
Look Barack, one day you will grow up and be considered an adult by your respective peers, co-workers and friends. You shall heed my wisdom, then.
As a man, we consider insulting people, along with passing judgement, any act of folly or jestering in poor taste, teasing overweight elders,
just as insulting to ourselves as it is to the victum. Even thinking evil thoughts are usually ended by an apology of some sort. Even if we are with close friends.
This behaviour is meant for the children and teenagers who are still experimenting with recreational drugs such as marijuana for a "kick".
As a man, if I exhibited any sort of the above behaviour, my peers, co-workers and friends who weren't even around would find out about it and it would be frowned upon.
I, as a man, who understands my behaviour was wrong, will feel embarrassed, humiliated and ashamed from stooping to the level that is frankly, beneath my character and pride.
When I was 14 years old I started to stop all insulting behaviour for various public reasons, but most of all because I knew in my heart that it is not how a man should act.
I often would sit and ponder and ask myself "Would so and so do or say this?" (Usually so and so was my father, who died inside a chicken truck after a car crash).
To spend so much time on a sport and train your talent into pro levels and then piss it all away because of your behaviour which should have been regulated in high school is pathetic.
When I was a young man training to play short stop for the Boston Redsox before my 5 year old son burnt his foot off at an ice skiing trip in Alaska,
I used to tell myself things like "I will be as clean as a baby's ass at baptism" or "I will be nice to everybody, politically correct and show nothing but love to everybody if I just get to play in the big leagues".
Needless to say, i'm now an established scientist who works for NASA, but if you pros can't think and act like a man now, what happens when e-sports is as big as the NFL?
The point here is just this, Zerg is most certainly imba but Protoss needs nerf most, I jest of course, carry on.
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I like how people forget that destiny did something bad first, sure she did something worst but he started the ball rolling.
There are always people who will blame the victim. She didn't start it but she sure as hell finished it pretty strongly. Live and learn.
The loss of one twit and his controversies won't ruin Esports. Besides the best player ROOT ever had wasnt even serious about the game, played it as a hobby and quit long ago, RIP Kiwi, you had the talent to make it.
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On August 31 2012 12:44 joeschmo wrote:
Everybody stop saying crap like "it's unfortunate, that's the way it is" or "yea it sucks and is wrong but that's the way the world is".
Look Barack, one day you will grow up and be considered an adult by your respective peers, co-workers and friends. You shall heed my wisdom, then.
As a man, we consider insulting people, along with passing judgement, any act of folly or jestering in poor taste, teasing overweight elders,
just as insulting to ourselves as it is to the victum. Even thinking evil thoughts are usually ended by an apology of some sort. Even if we are with close friends.
This behaviour is meant for the children and teenagers who are still experimenting with recreational drugs such as marijuana for a "kick".
As a man, if I exhibited any sort of the above behaviour, my peers, co-workers and friends who weren't even around would find out about it and it would be frowned upon.
I, as a man, who understands my behaviour was wrong, will feel embarrassed, humiliated and ashamed from stooping to the level that is frankly, beneath my character and pride.
When I was 14 years old I started to stop all insulting behaviour for various public reasons, but most of all because I knew in my heart that it is not how a man should act.
I often would sit and ponder and ask myself "Would so and so do or say this?" (Usually so and so was my father, who died inside a chicken truck after a car crash).
To spend so much time on a sport and train your talent into pro levels and then piss it all away because of your behaviour which should have been regulated in high school is pathetic.
When I was a young man training to play short stop for the Boston Redsox before my 5 year old son burnt his foot off at an ice skiing trip in Alaska,
I used to tell myself things like "I will be as clean as a baby's ass at baptism" or "I will be nice to everybody, politically correct and show nothing but love to everybody if I just get to play in the big leagues".
Needless to say, i'm now an established scientist who works for NASA, but if you pros can't think and act like a man now, what happens when e-sports is as big as the NFL?
The point here is just this, Zerg is most certainly imba but Protoss needs nerf most, I jest of course, carry on.
Stop trolling, it's not funny anymore...
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Wow, I gotta say he deserves everything he gets. RootFayth is also acting like a dick, and I'm getting a really negative impression of root from what I've read so far. I can't claim to have followed Destiny at all, but I don't blame Root for dropping him.
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On August 31 2012 12:34 KillingVector wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 12:11 Edahspmal wrote:On August 31 2012 11:41 KillingVector wrote:On August 31 2012 11:26 Edahspmal wrote:On August 31 2012 11:22 KillingVector wrote:On August 31 2012 08:52 Radin wrote:Um, this girl made a post explaining how she hacked Destiny's twitter and posted a picture of his dick because she felt betrayed by something he did with his friends in private. She brought the public into this, not Fayth or Destiny. If she didn't want scrutiny, she should have handled the situation in a more private manner with Destiny himself. The ridicule she is getting is self-inflicted and has nothing to do with Fayth. If she hasn't done anything to Fayth, then he shouldn't come on TL and insult her. He has the right to not apologize. If he decides not to, then he should just try to keep silent on public forums. Maybe only breaking silence to clear up misinformation, but even this can be a little bit sketchy. She caused him to lose his teammate. She leaked his private conversation, which caused him to be suspended for a month. She indirectly hurt his reputation, but hurt it nonetheless. Causing him to lose a teammate (I'm not quite sure its fair to credit her as the sole cause, but let's forget that) isn't reason for him to publicly insult her. Its a decision made by his team. Sure, it hurts, and he can curse her in private as much as he wants. However, it is not appropriate for him to publicly humiliate her. His suspension, again, is a team decision. It is also the fact that he is involved with the incident that makes it so much more inappropriate for him to publicly humiliate her. A copy of a chat log is damning, but doesn't amount to her insulting him. And I think the idea that she leaked the conversation are accusations he made in this forum (maybe put forward as wild guesses by people before him, but he's certainly a witness to this whole thing and carries more relevance) without any opportunity for her rebuttal. That is a completely different taboo. First, what do you mean "let's forget that"? This is definitely cause for him to be bitter. And I think it's definitely fair to give her major credit for losing his teammate. She was creeping on his twitter in a private conversation, then took this public. If that didn't happen, this thread wouldn't exist, Destiny would still be on ROOT, and nothing changes except she realizes she was dumb for trusting Destiny. Second, Fayth didn't publicly insult her. He was being a typical male with his friends. We all have conversations with our friends where we say someone is attractive or not. You do this, I do this, Fayth+TT1+Destiny do this. Only once she made this conversation public did Fayth reiterate what he said before. He didn't randomly insult her without cause. Yes. It was a team decision. That's irrelevant because it wouldn't have happened if Bluetea didn't invade their privacy and make a stupid decision. CatZ wouldn't give a fuck if he had read that himself in their private chat. It only matters because she made it public. She did leak the conversation. Maybe that misunderstanding is why you're arguing? http://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/yt1a8/to_spare_erin_heres_whats_going_on/ By "let's forget that" I am conceding the argument in parentheses. Arguing from the position that she is the sole cause of Destiny leaving ROOT. I'm not discussing his private conversation. I am discussing his choice to come on here and reiterate his insults. Being mad at her doesn't give him right to publicly humiliate her. There is also no reason to reiterate his insults if they are public record. I can't speak for CatZ and you really shouldn't speculate either. Making the chat log public does not equal a personal attack on Fayth. In the link you are referencing, she claims she received the chat logs from someone. Maybe we are in disagreement on the word "leak"?
I didn't publicly humiliate her, all I said was the pic I was shown was a lot worse than what TT1 had posted in here, that's all I said, calm down please
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On August 31 2012 05:51 divito wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 05:33 The Final Boss wrote:
That's not the point of sponsorship though. Like it's fine that you buy products solely based upon what you are buying, but the reason companies sponsor teams, tournaments, and players is TO SELL THEIR PRODUCT. Otherwise it would be a pointless thing to do. If I buy a Razer product instead of a SteelSeries product because I like TeamLiquid more than EG, then is that a spiteful decision? And regardless of whether or not is is, you have to understand that that the sort of decision that people make and it is for that reason that Razer sponsors Team Liquid. They don't sponsor them because they like to spend money, they do it to get their product out there and get people to buy it.
Both of these posts are painfully stupid, as it feels like you guys are living in this odd world where sponsors pay money because they like to pay money to teams. It's a business decision, and if a lot of people are going to NOT buy their product because they are spending money on a player, then why would they keep paying that player. The customer is always right, it's a simple rule of business. Sponsorship is meant to utilize a player/organization etc... to help with exposure and sales; I would never dispute the reason behind sponsoring. It's more about the opposite effect that people seem to be correlating here. Let's use an example. Nike sponsors a ton of athletes and other celebrities (not unlike many other companies and the ones involved in eSports). They're sponsoring to get their brand in more faces through popular and skilled players/celebrities. On top of suggestion, fans tend to think they're supporting said sponsored individual by purchasing their products/services. Now, there are many people that Nike sponsors that I don't like, or have been part of controversy. Am I going to avoid Nike products because of this? No, I'm sure I could find something wrong with every company and something/someone they sponsor/support. It would be incredibly unrealistic and naive to use an outside influence unrelated to a company's product or service and whether I purchase said product/service. I wouldn't be able to purchase anything under such silly logic.
For starters Nike is on such a different scale then any of the sponsors in e-Sports not only in terms of company size but in terms of how much money they are spending on those sponsorships. But even though a sponsor like Nike is on a completely different scale than e-Sports, let's look at the Tiger Woods scandal. I believe that Nike's relationship with Tiger Woods stayed in tact, but I know for a fact that various other companies that sponsor him parted ways with him. I am sure that a part of that is that there was a backlash from the consumers to those companies that they did not approve of them sponsoring Tiger Woods. If I'm at a store and I'm trying to decide to buy Nike shoes and Reebok shoes the day after the Tiger Woods scandal just occured, if the only thing that matters to me is the brand, then I might choose the Reebok shoe because I do not approve of Tiger Woods. That's not to say that I will always do that, but if Nike is spending millions of dollars to get their name out through Tiger Woods, they don't want to be losing business that they might otherwise have gotten because of Tiger Woods. Nike clearly decided that in that scenario that despite Tiger Woods was a cheating bastard, he still is the greatest golfer of all time and therefore they are okay with sponsoring him. When you apply the same logic to an even smaller community, smaller businesses, and a far less successful person, I think it's fair to say that a company not wanting to sponsor a person makes a lot of sense. That's how sponsorships work. You can speak your mind freely all you want, but you're not going to get sponsored if you do that.
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On August 31 2012 13:33 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 12:34 KillingVector wrote:On August 31 2012 12:11 Edahspmal wrote:On August 31 2012 11:41 KillingVector wrote:On August 31 2012 11:26 Edahspmal wrote:On August 31 2012 11:22 KillingVector wrote:On August 31 2012 08:52 Radin wrote:Um, this girl made a post explaining how she hacked Destiny's twitter and posted a picture of his dick because she felt betrayed by something he did with his friends in private. She brought the public into this, not Fayth or Destiny. If she didn't want scrutiny, she should have handled the situation in a more private manner with Destiny himself. The ridicule she is getting is self-inflicted and has nothing to do with Fayth. If she hasn't done anything to Fayth, then he shouldn't come on TL and insult her. He has the right to not apologize. If he decides not to, then he should just try to keep silent on public forums. Maybe only breaking silence to clear up misinformation, but even this can be a little bit sketchy. She caused him to lose his teammate. She leaked his private conversation, which caused him to be suspended for a month. She indirectly hurt his reputation, but hurt it nonetheless. Causing him to lose a teammate (I'm not quite sure its fair to credit her as the sole cause, but let's forget that) isn't reason for him to publicly insult her. Its a decision made by his team. Sure, it hurts, and he can curse her in private as much as he wants. However, it is not appropriate for him to publicly humiliate her. His suspension, again, is a team decision. It is also the fact that he is involved with the incident that makes it so much more inappropriate for him to publicly humiliate her. A copy of a chat log is damning, but doesn't amount to her insulting him. And I think the idea that she leaked the conversation are accusations he made in this forum (maybe put forward as wild guesses by people before him, but he's certainly a witness to this whole thing and carries more relevance) without any opportunity for her rebuttal. That is a completely different taboo. First, what do you mean "let's forget that"? This is definitely cause for him to be bitter. And I think it's definitely fair to give her major credit for losing his teammate. She was creeping on his twitter in a private conversation, then took this public. If that didn't happen, this thread wouldn't exist, Destiny would still be on ROOT, and nothing changes except she realizes she was dumb for trusting Destiny. Second, Fayth didn't publicly insult her. He was being a typical male with his friends. We all have conversations with our friends where we say someone is attractive or not. You do this, I do this, Fayth+TT1+Destiny do this. Only once she made this conversation public did Fayth reiterate what he said before. He didn't randomly insult her without cause. Yes. It was a team decision. That's irrelevant because it wouldn't have happened if Bluetea didn't invade their privacy and make a stupid decision. CatZ wouldn't give a fuck if he had read that himself in their private chat. It only matters because she made it public. She did leak the conversation. Maybe that misunderstanding is why you're arguing? http://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/yt1a8/to_spare_erin_heres_whats_going_on/ By "let's forget that" I am conceding the argument in parentheses. Arguing from the position that she is the sole cause of Destiny leaving ROOT. I'm not discussing his private conversation. I am discussing his choice to come on here and reiterate his insults. Being mad at her doesn't give him right to publicly humiliate her. There is also no reason to reiterate his insults if they are public record. I can't speak for CatZ and you really shouldn't speculate either. Making the chat log public does not equal a personal attack on Fayth. In the link you are referencing, she claims she received the chat logs from someone. Maybe we are in disagreement on the word "leak"? I didn't publicly humiliate her, all I said was the pic I was shown was a lot worse than what TT1 had posted in here, that's all I said, calm down please
You really shouldn't be the one telling other people to calm down seeing as you have been antagonizing people throughout this entire thread.
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How any guy can share nude pics of a girl with his friends and insult her in front of them and then expect her to not get angry when she finds out and retaliate in some way, shape, or form is absolutely beyond me. Sure, what she did was childish, but hey, what Destiny did in the first place was just as fucking childish. Immaturity and stupidity reaching a new peak.
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On August 31 2012 13:38 The Final Boss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 13:33 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 31 2012 12:34 KillingVector wrote:On August 31 2012 12:11 Edahspmal wrote:On August 31 2012 11:41 KillingVector wrote:On August 31 2012 11:26 Edahspmal wrote:On August 31 2012 11:22 KillingVector wrote:On August 31 2012 08:52 Radin wrote:Um, this girl made a post explaining how she hacked Destiny's twitter and posted a picture of his dick because she felt betrayed by something he did with his friends in private. She brought the public into this, not Fayth or Destiny. If she didn't want scrutiny, she should have handled the situation in a more private manner with Destiny himself. The ridicule she is getting is self-inflicted and has nothing to do with Fayth. If she hasn't done anything to Fayth, then he shouldn't come on TL and insult her. He has the right to not apologize. If he decides not to, then he should just try to keep silent on public forums. Maybe only breaking silence to clear up misinformation, but even this can be a little bit sketchy. She caused him to lose his teammate. She leaked his private conversation, which caused him to be suspended for a month. She indirectly hurt his reputation, but hurt it nonetheless. Causing him to lose a teammate (I'm not quite sure its fair to credit her as the sole cause, but let's forget that) isn't reason for him to publicly insult her. Its a decision made by his team. Sure, it hurts, and he can curse her in private as much as he wants. However, it is not appropriate for him to publicly humiliate her. His suspension, again, is a team decision. It is also the fact that he is involved with the incident that makes it so much more inappropriate for him to publicly humiliate her. A copy of a chat log is damning, but doesn't amount to her insulting him. And I think the idea that she leaked the conversation are accusations he made in this forum (maybe put forward as wild guesses by people before him, but he's certainly a witness to this whole thing and carries more relevance) without any opportunity for her rebuttal. That is a completely different taboo. First, what do you mean "let's forget that"? This is definitely cause for him to be bitter. And I think it's definitely fair to give her major credit for losing his teammate. She was creeping on his twitter in a private conversation, then took this public. If that didn't happen, this thread wouldn't exist, Destiny would still be on ROOT, and nothing changes except she realizes she was dumb for trusting Destiny. Second, Fayth didn't publicly insult her. He was being a typical male with his friends. We all have conversations with our friends where we say someone is attractive or not. You do this, I do this, Fayth+TT1+Destiny do this. Only once she made this conversation public did Fayth reiterate what he said before. He didn't randomly insult her without cause. Yes. It was a team decision. That's irrelevant because it wouldn't have happened if Bluetea didn't invade their privacy and make a stupid decision. CatZ wouldn't give a fuck if he had read that himself in their private chat. It only matters because she made it public. She did leak the conversation. Maybe that misunderstanding is why you're arguing? http://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/yt1a8/to_spare_erin_heres_whats_going_on/ By "let's forget that" I am conceding the argument in parentheses. Arguing from the position that she is the sole cause of Destiny leaving ROOT. I'm not discussing his private conversation. I am discussing his choice to come on here and reiterate his insults. Being mad at her doesn't give him right to publicly humiliate her. There is also no reason to reiterate his insults if they are public record. I can't speak for CatZ and you really shouldn't speculate either. Making the chat log public does not equal a personal attack on Fayth. In the link you are referencing, she claims she received the chat logs from someone. Maybe we are in disagreement on the word "leak"? I didn't publicly humiliate her, all I said was the pic I was shown was a lot worse than what TT1 had posted in here, that's all I said, calm down please You really shouldn't be the one telling other people to calm down seeing as you have been antagonizing people throughout this entire thread.
I've been calm the entire time though
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On August 31 2012 13:33 ROOTFayth wrote:
I didn't publicly humiliate her, all I said was the pic I was shown was a lot worse than what TT1 had posted in here, that's all I said, calm down please
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364387¤tpage=57#1139
the picture I've seen of bluetea first is different from the one tt1 posted, the face pic was absolutely 10x worse that this, I genuinely thought it was a man at first, I wasn't even trying to be a douche or anything, there were 2 girls on the pic (left one being bluetea looking like a man, and the right one I don't know but she was cute)
Okay, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that in this post it sounds like you are trying to say that she isn't ugly, and that you were just shown a bad picture. Unfortunately, your wording is terrible. You are saying she is not good looking instead of fugly.
If saying she isn't ugly is your true purpose, then you should retract your words and say what you actually meant to say.
The problem becomes that in this post
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364387¤tpage=70#1386
I just reiterated what was already public..... I mean yeah just because this has been made public didn't change my opinion on her looks, I'm sorry, and I also told her that when we discussed on skype while she was on steven's account
it sounds like your original opinion hasn't changed at all. Then you continue in this vein while trying to defend your right to your opinion
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364387¤tpage=74#1461
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364387¤tpage=76#1511
Then here it seems you may be trying again
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364387¤tpage=77#1528
I said it was a different picture, learn to read for god sake, I said the other picture was 10 times worse and she looked like a man on that other picture, I actually think she didn't look that bad on this pic, like not pretty but nowhere near as terrible as my reaction on the chat logs
if not for the phrase "like not pretty." If you had left out the "like not pretty but" it is some decent CYA language.
So, overall you have cast her image in a negative light on a public forum. How does this not count as public humiliation? If you don't intend to humiliate her, then apologize for your wording and write out clearly what you actually meant.
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Just remember guys, private conversations on the internet can be hacked, shown to the world, and be used against you in the court of eSports.
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On August 31 2012 14:01 KillingVector wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 13:33 ROOTFayth wrote:
I didn't publicly humiliate her, all I said was the pic I was shown was a lot worse than what TT1 had posted in here, that's all I said, calm down please
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364387¤tpage=57#1139Show nested quote +
the picture I've seen of bluetea first is different from the one tt1 posted, the face pic was absolutely 10x worse that this, I genuinely thought it was a man at first, I wasn't even trying to be a douche or anything, there were 2 girls on the pic (left one being bluetea looking like a man, and the right one I don't know but she was cute)
Okay, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that in this post it sounds like you are trying to say that she isn't ugly, and that you were just shown a bad picture. Unfortunately, your wording is terrible. You are saying she is not good looking instead of fugly. If saying she isn't ugly is your true purpose, then you should retract your words and say what you actually meant to say. The problem becomes that in this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364387¤tpage=70#1386Show nested quote +
I just reiterated what was already public..... I mean yeah just because this has been made public didn't change my opinion on her looks, I'm sorry, and I also told her that when we discussed on skype while she was on steven's account
it sounds like your original opinion hasn't changed at all. Then you continue in this vein while trying to defend your right to your opinion http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364387¤tpage=74#1461http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364387¤tpage=76#1511Then here it seems you may be trying again http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364387¤tpage=77#1528Show nested quote +
I said it was a different picture, learn to read for god sake, I said the other picture was 10 times worse and she looked like a man on that other picture, I actually think she didn't look that bad on this pic, like not pretty but nowhere near as terrible as my reaction on the chat logs
if not for the phrase "like not pretty." If you had left out the "like not pretty but" it is some decent CYA language. So, overall you have cast her image in a negative light on a public forum. How does this not count as public humiliation? If you don't intend to humiliate her, then apologize for your wording and write out clearly what you actually meant.
Holy shit dude. What do you want him to do? Change his opinion? This was ALREADY brought to light by HER, re-stating it changes nothing, does no more damage, and really makes no difference at all to anyone. He said he apologized to her. What do you want? If anything, you repeatedly bringing this up is only bringing MORE attention to what you consider "public humiliation"...you being the public -- fueling the fire.
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