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LOL.. This is why I love coming to Teamliquid. to see the continuous train wreck of the "intellectual" forumers.
Threads like these are great for upping them post counts.
In case, some of you did not realise, Destiny basically has pix of himself in a ROOT shirt and pics of himself in his GF's room thus indicating that his intention to cheat on her. This plus the chat logs is quite damning on his character.
Shady person indeed. Well, but seems to appeal to certain people in this "community".
Everyone can do as they please.. Not like it is anyone's business but just bear in mind, you can be judged based on those actions. And yes, the world is not fair, people are treated unequally, deal with it.
You want it to be the same, regulate it. Oh no... w don't want no KESPA... So many children living in a fantasy utopia. You do know that the world does not exactly cater to your every ideals and desires right?
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On August 31 2012 09:59 xParadoxi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 09:52 KillingVector wrote:On August 31 2012 08:54 Sokrates wrote:Can you elaborate this with more detail? Why exactly should have face repercussions? Does that change his opinion or should he change his opinion? It was a fucking private talk, and nearly every guy on the fucking planet talks this way. So why should he apologize? For saying his true opinion? I dont think so. Yes, it was a private conversation until he decided to bring it here on to TL. As a party of the scandal he shouldn't be coming on here to publicly insult her. Using his esteem in the community to publicly humiliate someone (whether or not they deserve it) should not be tolerated, especially since he is wrapped up in the entire thing. Yeah, apparently you don't understand the situation. SHE IS THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT UPON HERSELF. She posted the shit on reddit and made this 100 times bigger then it ever would have been.
And so what exactly is it that she has done to ROOTFayth? Public forums aren't the proper places to resolve disputes. He should not be posting in this thread. ROOTT1 did an excellent job of keeping himself separated from most of this thread. Why couldn't Fayth?
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On August 31 2012 10:26 lazyitachi wrote:
LOL.. This is why I love coming to Teamliquid. to see the continuous train wreck of the "intellectual" forumers.
Threads like these are great for upping them post counts.
In case, some of you did not realise, Destiny basically has pix of himself in a ROOT shirt and pics of himself in his GF's room thus indicating that his intention to cheat on her. This plus the chat logs is quite damning on his character.
Shady person indeed. Well, but seems to appeal to certain people in this "community".
Everyone can do as they please.. Not like it is anyone's business but just bear in mind, you can be judged based on those actions. And yes, the world is not fair, people are treated unequally, deal with it.
You want it to be the same, regulate it. Oh no... w don't want no KESPA... So many children living in a fantasy utopia. You do know that the world does not exactly cater to your every ideals and desires right?
<3 calling posters here ""intellectual" forumers", but still comes here to post some bullshit himself.
Glad to be part of this. Seriously! 
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On August 31 2012 10:32 Kranzor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 10:26 lazyitachi wrote:
LOL.. This is why I love coming to Teamliquid. to see the continuous train wreck of the "intellectual" forumers.
Threads like these are great for upping them post counts.
In case, some of you did not realise, Destiny basically has pix of himself in a ROOT shirt and pics of himself in his GF's room thus indicating that his intention to cheat on her. This plus the chat logs is quite damning on his character.
Shady person indeed. Well, but seems to appeal to certain people in this "community".
Everyone can do as they please.. Not like it is anyone's business but just bear in mind, you can be judged based on those actions. And yes, the world is not fair, people are treated unequally, deal with it.
You want it to be the same, regulate it. Oh no... w don't want no KESPA... So many children living in a fantasy utopia. You do know that the world does not exactly cater to your every ideals and desires right? <3 calling posters here ""intellectual" forumers", but still comes here to post some bullshit himself. Glad to be part of this. Seriously!
Yes.. It is very fun... post counts means a lot in this community.
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On August 31 2012 10:27 KillingVector wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 09:59 xParadoxi wrote:On August 31 2012 09:52 KillingVector wrote:On August 31 2012 08:54 Sokrates wrote:Can you elaborate this with more detail? Why exactly should have face repercussions? Does that change his opinion or should he change his opinion? It was a fucking private talk, and nearly every guy on the fucking planet talks this way. So why should he apologize? For saying his true opinion? I dont think so. Yes, it was a private conversation until he decided to bring it here on to TL. As a party of the scandal he shouldn't be coming on here to publicly insult her. Using his esteem in the community to publicly humiliate someone (whether or not they deserve it) should not be tolerated, especially since he is wrapped up in the entire thing. Yeah, apparently you don't understand the situation. SHE IS THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT UPON HERSELF. She posted the shit on reddit and made this 100 times bigger then it ever would have been. And so what exactly is it that she has done to ROOTFayth?
Hmm made a private conversation public which as a result had him suspended from the team for a while?
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On August 31 2012 09:25 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 09:20 Sokrates wrote:On August 31 2012 09:13 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 09:12 Sokrates wrote:On August 31 2012 09:11 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 09:02 Sokrates wrote:On August 31 2012 08:57 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 08:45 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 31 2012 08:38 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 08:24 rd wrote:
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So what does any of that have to do with SC2 again?
The best AND worse part of the SC2 community is the passion and support of its fans. I'm sure it's part of the pitch teams make to sponsors. We aren't just a captive audience. We are engaged.We're smart, analytical, and supportive ... but also opinionated, analytical and judgemental. We're the type of fans that actually sit up and notice when a team gets a new player, a new team forms ... and when a team gets a new sponsor. We actually celebrate it. I can't name a corporate sponsor from the Olympics, but I can tell you that EG is sponsored by RaidCall, Kingston HyperX, Jinx Clothing and Intel without having to google it. That passion cuts both ways. While we'll prop up a product we believe in, even if it's not ready for primetime (NASL, early MLG) we will also rip into anyone or anything that makes the sport look bad. Honestly, if players can't handle having a community as active and OCD as ours, maybe they should consider playing a more boring game no one gives two-shits about, or doing a job that doesn't need corporate sponsorship to sustain itself. It's not fair that players are scrutinized as much as they are, but then again, no one is forcing Destiny to play SC2 for a living. I'm sure he could get a job at McDonald's and no one would care about his personal affairs. Yeah you raise an interesting point. That said I feel we're a big part of the problem. It's not having a set of standards that we expect enforced, it's the unequal application of these pretty arbitrary standards to people liked and disliked by the community. Just look at a few of the big dramas we've had, and some we have not had. Orb - Fired from EG for use of a racist epithet. Idra - Until recently tolerated by EG despite frequent use of many derogatory terms, has toned that down to his credit. Destiny - Had his stream removed from the featured list for a while for a racial epithet. Stephano - Tweeted to HasuObs a jokey comment about 'Having burned any Jews lately?'. Removed Tweet, no further action made by the community. Until we actually mature to a stage where we have a set of standards that are universally enforced, these 'witchunts' appear to me to be pretty arbitrary in basis and harmful for the community as a whole. I'm on the 'more censorship = bad' side of the debate, but to be honest I'd be fine with a more moderated scene if this was done consistently instead of on a case-by-case basis based upon who is liked/disliked. IdrA is a great example of a player that, despite his faults, brings great value to his team and sponsors. IdrA has a lingering reputation as a BM player, but at the same time he promotes his team and sponsors at every event, in every interview and during every cast he does. And better yet, he's extremely active and gets his sponsors tons of exposure. I'm sure if this happened to IdrA, Alex would remind his sponsors how much IdrA has done for them, suspend IdrA for a short period and dock some pay, and issue a carefully worded apology from IdrA via press release stating that he " exercised poor judgement ... ". Stephano is just fucking insane good at SC2, and is a commodity because of the amount of foreign/NA fans he has. So there are two models for Destiny to follow, if he wants to have his BM cake and eat it to -- be a great teammate and soldier or be one of the top five Zerg players in the world. Another solution is that the SC2 scene gets so big and flush with money that guys like Destiny are small potatoes that no one gives a shit about, anyways. So its basically ok if you are an asshole as long as you are good enough. Makes a lot of sense.Ethnically totally acceptable Welcome to the real world of grown-ups, where not everyone is judged equally and the consequences a person suffers depends on personality, accomplishments and contributions to their community. So thats a good thing? Is your advice to Destiny to stay the course and wait until the world changes? My advice is that the esports community STOPS starting witchhunts and stops emailing sponors about this trivial shit. We are a young community and we can acutally be BETTER than all the other bullshit that is going on. We can stop being the same hypocritical assholes that use every inch of a mistep a person to drill him his noose and hang him. Stop being twofaced and hypocritical. Stop making a big fucking deal out of every misbehavior and stop trying to get people disbanded from teams. Stop being self-righteous, stop punish people so they lose their job/team by a fucking minor mistep. Stop blowing things out of proportion. What's more feasible, good sir? Regulating the behavior of an entire community and dictating when they can or cannot be offended? Or Destiny smartening up and learning when to be funny, when to be racy, and when to STFU?
So you actually mean you want Destiny to be the MLK of SC2. God forbid they act like a normal human being and people find out they aren't the paragon the gaming media makes progamers out to be. I mean, fuck, they don't deserve to be on a team.
Like, you're talking about people finding out about a player's dirty laundry. Okay. Are you saying they don't deserve to be on a team for it? For Destiny it isn't as big of a problem, but for others it could be career ending. This isn't fans saying, "hey, Destiny is an asshole, I'm not gonna watch anymore." It's people going beyond the typical avenue of a regular SC2 fan and seeing him removed entirely.
If Destiny's personality was so bad that he wasn't enjoyable and people stopped watching him for it, that'd be perfectly fine. They can judge him because he puts himself out there. It's when sponsors let them take it in their own hands and decide for everyone who don't e-mail their positive opinions of him to sponsors when they judge him.
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On August 31 2012 10:35 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 09:25 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 09:20 Sokrates wrote:On August 31 2012 09:13 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 09:12 Sokrates wrote:On August 31 2012 09:11 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 09:02 Sokrates wrote:On August 31 2012 08:57 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 08:45 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 31 2012 08:38 Defacer wrote:
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The best AND worse part of the SC2 community is the passion and support of its fans. I'm sure it's part of the pitch teams make to sponsors.
We aren't just a captive audience. We are engaged.
We're smart, analytical, and supportive ... but also opinionated, analytical and judgemental. We're the type of fans that actually sit up and notice when a team gets a new player, a new team forms ... and when a team gets a new sponsor. We actually celebrate it.
I can't name a corporate sponsor from the Olympics, but I can tell you that EG is sponsored by RaidCall, Kingston HyperX, Jinx Clothing and Intel without having to google it.
That passion cuts both ways. While we'll prop up a product we believe in, even if it's not ready for primetime (NASL, early MLG) we will also rip into anyone or anything that makes the sport look bad.
Honestly, if players can't handle having a community as active and OCD as ours, maybe they should consider playing a more boring game no one gives two-shits about, or doing a job that doesn't need corporate sponsorship to sustain itself.
It's not fair that players are scrutinized as much as they are, but then again, no one is forcing Destiny to play SC2 for a living. I'm sure he could get a job at McDonald's and no one would care about his personal affairs.
Yeah you raise an interesting point. That said I feel we're a big part of the problem. It's not having a set of standards that we expect enforced, it's the unequal application of these pretty arbitrary standards to people liked and disliked by the community. Just look at a few of the big dramas we've had, and some we have not had. Orb - Fired from EG for use of a racist epithet. Idra - Until recently tolerated by EG despite frequent use of many derogatory terms, has toned that down to his credit. Destiny - Had his stream removed from the featured list for a while for a racial epithet. Stephano - Tweeted to HasuObs a jokey comment about 'Having burned any Jews lately?'. Removed Tweet, no further action made by the community. Until we actually mature to a stage where we have a set of standards that are universally enforced, these 'witchunts' appear to me to be pretty arbitrary in basis and harmful for the community as a whole. I'm on the 'more censorship = bad' side of the debate, but to be honest I'd be fine with a more moderated scene if this was done consistently instead of on a case-by-case basis based upon who is liked/disliked. IdrA is a great example of a player that, despite his faults, brings great value to his team and sponsors. IdrA has a lingering reputation as a BM player, but at the same time he promotes his team and sponsors at every event, in every interview and during every cast he does. And better yet, he's extremely active and gets his sponsors tons of exposure. I'm sure if this happened to IdrA, Alex would remind his sponsors how much IdrA has done for them, suspend IdrA for a short period and dock some pay, and issue a carefully worded apology from IdrA via press release stating that he " exercised poor judgement ... ". Stephano is just fucking insane good at SC2, and is a commodity because of the amount of foreign/NA fans he has. So there are two models for Destiny to follow, if he wants to have his BM cake and eat it to -- be a great teammate and soldier or be one of the top five Zerg players in the world. Another solution is that the SC2 scene gets so big and flush with money that guys like Destiny are small potatoes that no one gives a shit about, anyways. So its basically ok if you are an asshole as long as you are good enough. Makes a lot of sense.Ethnically totally acceptable Welcome to the real world of grown-ups, where not everyone is judged equally and the consequences a person suffers depends on personality, accomplishments and contributions to their community. So thats a good thing? Is your advice to Destiny to stay the course and wait until the world changes? My advice is that the esports community STOPS starting witchhunts and stops emailing sponors about this trivial shit. We are a young community and we can acutally be BETTER than all the other bullshit that is going on. We can stop being the same hypocritical assholes that use every inch of a mistep a person to drill him his noose and hang him. Stop being twofaced and hypocritical. Stop making a big fucking deal out of every misbehavior and stop trying to get people disbanded from teams. Stop being self-righteous, stop punish people so they lose their job/team by a fucking minor mistep. Stop blowing things out of proportion. What's more feasible, good sir? Regulating the behavior of an entire community and dictating when they can or cannot be offended? Or Destiny smartening up and learning when to be funny, when to be racy, and when to STFU? So you actually mean you want Destiny to be the MLK of SC2. God forbid they act like a normal human being and people find out they aren't the paragon the gaming media makes progamers out to be. I mean, fuck, they don't deserve to be on a team. Like, you're talking about people finding out about a player's dirty laundry. Okay. Are you saying they don't deserve to be on a team for it? For Destiny it isn't as big of a problem, but for others it could be career ending. This isn't fans saying, "hey, Destiny is an asshole, I'm not gonna watch anymore." It's people going beyond the typical avenue of a regular SC2 fan and seeing him removed entirely.
So you equating not keeping pictures of you dick on your computer and not shit-talking a girl that has access to all your personal information and files to ... becoming the greatest civil rights leader in American history?
MAN, WHY DOES BEING A GROWN-UP HAVE TO BE SO HARD?????
I've stated already that it's unfair and unfortunate that Destiny lost his job. But were the circumstances completely avoidable by a marginally more intelligent and mature human being? YES.
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On August 31 2012 10:43 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 10:35 rd wrote:On August 31 2012 09:25 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 09:20 Sokrates wrote:On August 31 2012 09:13 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 09:12 Sokrates wrote:On August 31 2012 09:11 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 09:02 Sokrates wrote:On August 31 2012 08:57 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 08:45 Wombat_NI wrote:
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Yeah you raise an interesting point. That said I feel we're a big part of the problem. It's not having a set of standards that we expect enforced, it's the unequal application of these pretty arbitrary standards to people liked and disliked by the community. Just look at a few of the big dramas we've had, and some we have not had.
Orb - Fired from EG for use of a racist epithet.
Idra - Until recently tolerated by EG despite frequent use of many derogatory terms, has toned that down to his credit.
Destiny - Had his stream removed from the featured list for a while for a racial epithet.
Stephano - Tweeted to HasuObs a jokey comment about 'Having burned any Jews lately?'. Removed Tweet, no further action made by the community.
Until we actually mature to a stage where we have a set of standards that are universally enforced, these 'witchunts' appear to me to be pretty arbitrary in basis and harmful for the community as a whole.
I'm on the 'more censorship = bad' side of the debate, but to be honest I'd be fine with a more moderated scene if this was done consistently instead of on a case-by-case basis based upon who is liked/disliked. IdrA is a great example of a player that, despite his faults, brings great value to his team and sponsors. IdrA has a lingering reputation as a BM player, but at the same time he promotes his team and sponsors at every event, in every interview and during every cast he does. And better yet, he's extremely active and gets his sponsors tons of exposure. I'm sure if this happened to IdrA, Alex would remind his sponsors how much IdrA has done for them, suspend IdrA for a short period and dock some pay, and issue a carefully worded apology from IdrA via press release stating that he " exercised poor judgement ... ". Stephano is just fucking insane good at SC2, and is a commodity because of the amount of foreign/NA fans he has. So there are two models for Destiny to follow, if he wants to have his BM cake and eat it to -- be a great teammate and soldier or be one of the top five Zerg players in the world. Another solution is that the SC2 scene gets so big and flush with money that guys like Destiny are small potatoes that no one gives a shit about, anyways. So its basically ok if you are an asshole as long as you are good enough. Makes a lot of sense.Ethnically totally acceptable Welcome to the real world of grown-ups, where not everyone is judged equally and the consequences a person suffers depends on personality, accomplishments and contributions to their community. So thats a good thing? Is your advice to Destiny to stay the course and wait until the world changes? My advice is that the esports community STOPS starting witchhunts and stops emailing sponors about this trivial shit. We are a young community and we can acutally be BETTER than all the other bullshit that is going on. We can stop being the same hypocritical assholes that use every inch of a mistep a person to drill him his noose and hang him. Stop being twofaced and hypocritical. Stop making a big fucking deal out of every misbehavior and stop trying to get people disbanded from teams. Stop being self-righteous, stop punish people so they lose their job/team by a fucking minor mistep. Stop blowing things out of proportion. What's more feasible, good sir? Regulating the behavior of an entire community and dictating when they can or cannot be offended? Or Destiny smartening up and learning when to be funny, when to be racy, and when to STFU? So you actually mean you want Destiny to be the MLK of SC2. God forbid they act like a normal human being and people find out they aren't the paragon the gaming media makes progamers out to be. I mean, fuck, they don't deserve to be on a team. Like, you're talking about people finding out about a player's dirty laundry. Okay. Are you saying they don't deserve to be on a team for it? For Destiny it isn't as big of a problem, but for others it could be career ending. This isn't fans saying, "hey, Destiny is an asshole, I'm not gonna watch anymore." It's people going beyond the typical avenue of a regular SC2 fan and seeing him removed entirely. So you equating not keeping pictures of you dick on your computer and not shit-talking a girl that has access to all your personal information and files to ... becoming the greatest civil rights leader in American history? MAN, WHY DOES BEING A GROWN-UP HAVE TO BE SO HARD????? I've stated already that it's unfair and unfortunate that Destiny lost his job. But were the circumstances completely avoidable by a marginally more intelligent and mature human being? YES.
Lol, you took it literally. Okay then.
Unfortunately though, not everyone is as mature or "intelligent" as they make themselves out to be the few hours(or 1/4 of days) you ever see them on camera.
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On August 31 2012 10:35 rd wrote:
So you actually mean you want Destiny to be the MLK of SC2
just going to quote this so nobody misses it: this is where this thread is hanging out.
If Destiny's personality was so bad that he wasn't enjoyable and people stopped watching him for it, that'd be perfectly fine. They can judge him because he puts himself out there. It's when sponsors let them take it in their own hands and decide for everyone who don't e-mail their positive opinions of him to sponsors when they judge him.
I'm really not sure you understand how this whole sponsoring thing works from the perspective of the fans: it's not a democracy, there is no voting as to which way to view events, it's as simple as sponsors getting wind of what the players on the teams they sponsor have let become public domain and deciding on their own. from what I understand, because frankly I have no interest in destinudes, the very ROOT logo is in one of the pictures, which is basically a fucking wrap because now the association is there not only with destiny and stupidity but ROOT itself and stupidity. honestly, it probably could have been worse for the team as a whole than just having to ditch the most emotionally immature member.
edit: also, destiny's personality is so bad he isn't enjoyable, and this is coming from someone who watched him through most of 2011.
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On August 31 2012 10:26 lazyitachi wrote:
LOL.. This is why I love coming to Teamliquid. to see the continuous train wreck of the "intellectual" forumers.
Threads like these are great for upping them post counts.
In case, some of you did not realise, Destiny basically has pix of himself in a ROOT shirt and pics of himself in his GF's room thus indicating that his intention to cheat on her. This plus the chat logs is quite damning on his character.
Shady person indeed. Well, but seems to appeal to certain people in this "community".
Everyone can do as they please.. Not like it is anyone's business but just bear in mind, you can be judged based on those actions. And yes, the world is not fair, people are treated unequally, deal with it.
You want it to be the same, regulate it. Oh no... w don't want no KESPA... So many children living in a fantasy utopia. You do know that the world does not exactly cater to your every ideals and desires right?
You're confusing posts made by many different people and lumping them all in together to fit your 'argument'. And just no, people who have a different world view from you aren't 'children' or 'living in a fantasy utopia'
You can make points without being so condescending.
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On August 31 2012 10:26 lazyitachi wrote:
LOL.. This is why I love coming to Teamliquid. to see the continuous train wreck of the "intellectual" forumers.
Threads like these are great for upping them post counts.
In case, some of you did not realise, Destiny basically has pix of himself in a ROOT shirt and pics of himself in his GF's room thus indicating that his intention to cheat on her. This plus the chat logs is quite damning on his character.
Shady person indeed. Well, but seems to appeal to certain people in this "community".
Everyone can do as they please.. Not like it is anyone's business but just bear in mind, you can be judged based on those actions. And yes, the world is not fair, people are treated unequally, deal with it.
You want it to be the same, regulate it. Oh no... w don't want no KESPA... So many children living in a fantasy utopia. You do know that the world does not exactly cater to your every ideals and desires right?
You just called yourself out.
This kind of blatant lying and misinformation should warrant immediate banning.
It wrecks discussion, and introduces so many random LIES you just made up on the spot.
This is really disgusting, and thats saying something after reading this thread.
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On August 31 2012 09:40 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 09:35 Aegeis wrote:
This is seriously worse than the holocaust guys. I know. People need to learn to pick their battles. The EPA standing up to KESPA is a commendable cause, that protected the future of a pioneer league that invested millions into SC2 community. Fighting for a universe where Destiny can talk smack about a girl without getting pictures of his ding-dong on the internet is not a battle worth fighting.
So I take it you're okay with guys posting nude pictures of women without their consent? If she talked smack then she was asking for it, amirite?
I smell a double standard...
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On August 31 2012 10:56 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 10:26 lazyitachi wrote:
LOL.. This is why I love coming to Teamliquid. to see the continuous train wreck of the "intellectual" forumers.
Threads like these are great for upping them post counts.
In case, some of you did not realise, Destiny basically has pix of himself in a ROOT shirt and pics of himself in his GF's room thus indicating that his intention to cheat on her. This plus the chat logs is quite damning on his character.
Shady person indeed. Well, but seems to appeal to certain people in this "community".
Everyone can do as they please.. Not like it is anyone's business but just bear in mind, you can be judged based on those actions. And yes, the world is not fair, people are treated unequally, deal with it.
You want it to be the same, regulate it. Oh no... w don't want no KESPA... So many children living in a fantasy utopia. You do know that the world does not exactly cater to your every ideals and desires right? You're confusing posts made by many different people and lumping them all in together to fit your 'argument'. And just no, people who have a different world view from you aren't 'children' or 'living in a fantasy utopia' You can make points without being so condescending.
Nope.. please try again..
The point at the bottom is for people who wants equal treatment and punishment to what they deem unfair treatment to their hero. It's not because they differ from my "world view".
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On August 31 2012 10:59 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 10:26 lazyitachi wrote:
LOL.. This is why I love coming to Teamliquid. to see the continuous train wreck of the "intellectual" forumers.
Threads like these are great for upping them post counts.
In case, some of you did not realise, Destiny basically has pix of himself in a ROOT shirt and pics of himself in his GF's room thus indicating that his intention to cheat on her. This plus the chat logs is quite damning on his character.
Shady person indeed. Well, but seems to appeal to certain people in this "community".
Everyone can do as they please.. Not like it is anyone's business but just bear in mind, you can be judged based on those actions. And yes, the world is not fair, people are treated unequally, deal with it.
You want it to be the same, regulate it. Oh no... w don't want no KESPA... So many children living in a fantasy utopia. You do know that the world does not exactly cater to your every ideals and desires right? You just called yourself out. This kind of blatant lying and misinformation should warrant immediate banning. It wrecks discussion, and introduces so many random LIES you just made up on the spot. This is really disgusting, and thats saying something after reading this thread.
Point out the lies please. Thanks
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On August 31 2012 10:00 arie3000 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 09:44 TechNoTrance wrote:On August 31 2012 09:29 Kranzor wrote:On August 31 2012 09:25 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 09:20 Sokrates wrote:On August 31 2012 09:13 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 09:12 Sokrates wrote:On August 31 2012 09:11 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 09:02 Sokrates wrote:On August 31 2012 08:57 Defacer wrote:
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IdrA is a great example of a player that, despite his faults, brings great value to his team and sponsors. IdrA has a lingering reputation as a BM player, but at the same time he promotes his team and sponsors at every event, in every interview and during every cast he does. And better yet, he's extremely active and gets his sponsors tons of exposure.
I'm sure if this happened to IdrA, Alex would remind his sponsors how much IdrA has done for them, suspend IdrA for a short period and dock some pay, and issue a carefully worded apology from IdrA via press release stating that he " exercised poor judgement ... ".
Stephano is just fucking insane good at SC2, and is a commodity because of the amount of foreign/NA fans he has.
So there are two models for Destiny to follow, if he wants to have his BM cake and eat it to -- be a great teammate and soldier or be one of the top five Zerg players in the world.
Another solution is that the SC2 scene gets so big and flush with money that guys like Destiny are small potatoes that no one gives a shit about, anyways.
So its basically ok if you are an asshole as long as you are good enough. Makes a lot of sense.Ethnically totally acceptable Welcome to the real world of grown-ups, where not everyone is judged equally and the consequences a person suffers depends on personality, accomplishments and contributions to their community. So thats a good thing? Is your advice to Destiny to stay the course and wait until the world changes? My advice is that the esports community STOPS starting witchhunts and stops emailing sponors about this trivial shit. We are a young community and we can acutally be BETTER than all the other bullshit that is going on. We can stop being the same hypocritical assholes that use every inch of a mistep a person to drill him his noose and hang him. Stop being twofaced and hypocritical. Stop making a big fucking deal out of every misbehavior and stop trying to get people disbanded from teams. Stop being self-righteous, stop punish people so they lose their job/team by a fucking minor mistep. Stop blowing things out of proportion. What's more feasible, good sir? Regulating the behavior of an entire community and dictating when they can or cannot be offended? Or Destiny smartening up and learning when to be funny, when to be racy, and when to STFU? Be offended all you want, but in general just dont bother the sponsors with it. Bother the player and the team and if that doesnt work you can still let the sponsor know. But this is still pretty awesome advice: On August 31 2012 09:20 Sokrates wrote:
Stop being twofaced and hypocritical. Stop making a big fucking deal out of every misbehavior and stop trying to get people disbanded from teams. Stop being self-righteous, stop punish people so they lose their job/team by a fucking minor mistep. Stop blowing things out of proportion.
Or Destiny could just have been mature and professional and all this drama would have never happened. There will always be people who don't care how important sponsors are, or who just want to ruin a player's career. You can never change this. A player can always change is his level of professionalism. He's had plenty of chances. This isn't a minor mistep. When you are one of the main images of an organization you better be mature, responsible, and have your life in order. If you can't be these things then you don't deserve to be on a pro team. Not only is it a bad image for ROOT, it gives the haters legitimate reason to complain to the sponsors. Sure the haters are bad people, but Destiny is the "root" of all of these things and is in no way innocent. So, every single private conversation that is being held by a progamer should now be crutinized by the community? It is absolutely outrageous to even suggest that this was more than a 'minor misstep' - have you NEVER told anyone that someone is ugly? Can now progamers not be sure that everything they say in private will become public, and if it will, that they'll be kicked-off their team if they're being rude to someone? People say stupid stuff all the time, the PM of Britain called some voter a 'bigoted woman' (and rightly so), off the cuff... Are you even aware that was Destiny all did was private?
I don't see why you feel the need to make assumptions and put words in my mouth. I never said the conversation was a terrible thing in everyday terms. But from an advertising standpoint where people are angry and calling sponsors this is a big deal. Destiny continually puts himself in these positions that create drama. He should be in control of his social media. He is in a position as an image of ROOT, and he is obviously incapable of being that image while not being a liability. He is at the mercy of huge scrutiny like this and knows he needs to be professional, yet time and time again he fails to do this.
Lots of people hate Destiny and want to ruin his career. If he can't be mature, responsible and in control of his personal life, then these haters will do things like this, and it especially hurts ROOT as an organization. Sure it sucks to be this way but it is very shortsighted to think Destiny isn't partially at fault here.
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On August 31 2012 11:00 lazyitachi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 10:56 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 31 2012 10:26 lazyitachi wrote:
LOL.. This is why I love coming to Teamliquid. to see the continuous train wreck of the "intellectual" forumers.
Threads like these are great for upping them post counts.
In case, some of you did not realise, Destiny basically has pix of himself in a ROOT shirt and pics of himself in his GF's room thus indicating that his intention to cheat on her. This plus the chat logs is quite damning on his character.
Shady person indeed. Well, but seems to appeal to certain people in this "community".
Everyone can do as they please.. Not like it is anyone's business but just bear in mind, you can be judged based on those actions. And yes, the world is not fair, people are treated unequally, deal with it.
You want it to be the same, regulate it. Oh no... w don't want no KESPA... So many children living in a fantasy utopia. You do know that the world does not exactly cater to your every ideals and desires right? You're confusing posts made by many different people and lumping them all in together to fit your 'argument'. And just no, people who have a different world view from you aren't 'children' or 'living in a fantasy utopia' You can make points without being so condescending. Nope.. please try again.. The point at the bottom is for people who wants equal treatment and punishment to what they deem unfair treatment to their hero. It's not because they differ from my "world view".
Oh so just by thinking there exists a clear demarcation between private and public actions, I'm apparently whining about 'unfair treatment of my hero'. This despite me not even being a particularly big Destiny fan.
Please try again.
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I'm glad ROOT got rid of Destiny. I really don't like his attitude. Once you become a public figure, you really need to think about what you're saying, because everyone is listening. When you're a nobody, things are different. Maybe it's not fair, but it's true.
And from what I've seen, they should get rid of Fayth too. Someone brought up the subject of cyberbullying. I 100% agree. The private chat was one thing. Posting on a public forum, saying things like, "I honestly thought she was a man at first," is bullying. Even if it's true.
If you think someone's fat, and you're in a line for a movie, you don't yell it out loud for everyone to know your opinion. The forums are the same idea. It's a public (cyber) place. And again, he's a public figure, like Destiny. You have your team's logo plastered to your name, learn some humility and shut up.
And for anyone who wants to argue what Destiny did was not wrong based on the fact the chat was private: how would you feel if you sent a naked picture to your girlfriend, and she gave it to her closest friend? I'm sure you'd all sarcastically say, "That'd be nice, more chicks for my dick," or some shit like that. But you know the point I'm making. Private things are meant to be private. It wasn't a smart idea for Destiny to share the picture at all, no matter how much his friends bugged him for a peek. The fact that he showed it shows he doesn't have enough character to respect another human being, or maybe it's just women he doesn't respect.
For a team based on friendship, ROOT sure does pick some pretty awful people, makes me wonder what CatZ is really like. I used to like him, and his team, but ever since Destiny got there I've been turned off. Now that he's gone, I thought I could accept them again, but seems Fayth isn't any better. The only reason people aren't pissed at Fayth is because he doesn't have a big enough fan base to get girls to take pictures for him, apparently.
Good move by ROOT, take away Fayth next and you've earned my respect, unless someone can show me another horrible person on the team.
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I just realized that NA players can be so bad at the game and stir up this kind of drama while EU and KR players work their asses off to be good at the game and not humiliate themselves with drama.
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On August 31 2012 11:10 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 11:00 lazyitachi wrote:On August 31 2012 10:56 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 31 2012 10:26 lazyitachi wrote:
LOL.. This is why I love coming to Teamliquid. to see the continuous train wreck of the "intellectual" forumers.
Threads like these are great for upping them post counts.
In case, some of you did not realise, Destiny basically has pix of himself in a ROOT shirt and pics of himself in his GF's room thus indicating that his intention to cheat on her. This plus the chat logs is quite damning on his character.
Shady person indeed. Well, but seems to appeal to certain people in this "community".
Everyone can do as they please.. Not like it is anyone's business but just bear in mind, you can be judged based on those actions. And yes, the world is not fair, people are treated unequally, deal with it.
You want it to be the same, regulate it. Oh no... w don't want no KESPA... So many children living in a fantasy utopia. You do know that the world does not exactly cater to your every ideals and desires right? You're confusing posts made by many different people and lumping them all in together to fit your 'argument'. And just no, people who have a different world view from you aren't 'children' or 'living in a fantasy utopia' You can make points without being so condescending. Nope.. please try again.. The point at the bottom is for people who wants equal treatment and punishment to what they deem unfair treatment to their hero. It's not because they differ from my "world view". Oh so just by thinking there exists a clear demarcation between private and public actions, I'm apparently whining about 'unfair treatment of my hero'. This despite me not even being a particularly big Destiny fan. Please try again.
Nope.. You can try again.
I don't care whether its private or public action. Maybe you should argue on what I actually said.
It's a repercussion to his action - people did what they did acting upon facts made public - regardless of whether actions originated from a public or private realm. There are severity of consequences and punishment meted can be disproportionate to the action. it is unfortunate but that is how it is. If you want such things to be consistent, there will be regulations like it or not otherwise everyone exercise their own judgement,
Comprende? No?
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Here's how I see it.
Sure. Pro-gamers live in a world of the internet. A world where their personal lives often blend with their professional lives. It is very hard to have a life where there is a "line" that seperates the personal and professional life when your income comes from tournaments and netcsting.
That being said: I firmly believe that this is a bad move on ROOT's part. Destiny is an excellent player, and brings a lot of attention to this team for whatever reason or another. His netcasts are hilarious. His talent is incredible. Is he being released because of his professional 'work"?
Nope.
Instead Root is throwing him under the bus because of a personal matter. Instead of backing him up, and promoting his gameplay and his help in providing exposure to the team: they stick a knife in his back, call him a friend and kick him to the curb when their paycheque is threatened.
Imagine if madonna was ditched by the record label everytime bad media got out? She wouldn't have had a career past the mid 90's. Sometimes some controversial exposure is good exposure.
Destiny is vulgar and loud, but HONEST. ROOT gaming certainly isn't.
They lost a fan, and I will continue to follow Destiny instead.
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