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On August 31 2012 08:52 Radin wrote:Um, this girl made a post explaining how she hacked Destiny's twitter and posted a picture of his dick because she felt betrayed by something he did with his friends in private. She brought the public into this, not Fayth or Destiny. If she didn't want scrutiny, she should have handled the situation in a more private manner with Destiny himself. The ridicule she is getting is self-inflicted and has nothing to do with Fayth.
This
It's never been illegal to call someone ugly. I hope it never will be.
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On August 31 2012 09:04 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 08:45 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 31 2012 08:38 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 08:24 rd wrote:On August 31 2012 08:19 Defacer wrote:
I can't believe the amount of people that are still making excuses for Destiny ...
Did the girl respond unfairly? Yup. But guess what ... if your modus operandi includes talking shit and gossiping behind people's backs, actively trolling and antagonizing people, and not talking personal responsibility for your decisions and actions, guess what! sometimes it bites you in the ass.
All you guys that are apologizing for Destiny are the immature ones. Destiny is a big boy now that can do and say whatever he wants. If that includes taking pictures of his dick and shit-talking a girl, so be it.
But why the hell should anyone feel sorry for a guy who lives and dies by acting like a jackass?
So what does any of that have to do with SC2 again? The best AND worse part of the SC2 community is the passion and support of its fans. I'm sure it's part of the pitch teams make to sponsors. We aren't just a captive audience. We are engaged.We're smart, analytical, and supportive ... but also opinionated, analytical and judgemental. We're the type of fans that actually sit up and notice when a team gets a new player, a new team forms ... and when a team gets a new sponsor. We actually celebrate it. I can't name a corporate sponsor from the Olympics, but I can tell you that EG is sponsored by RaidCall, Kingston HyperX, Jinx Clothing and Intel without having to google it. That passion cuts both ways. While we'll prop up a product we believe in, even if it's not ready for primetime (NASL, early MLG) we will also rip into anyone or anything that makes the sport look bad. Honestly, if players can't handle having a community as active and OCD as ours, maybe they should consider playing a more boring game no one gives two-shits about, or doing a job that doesn't need corporate sponsorship to sustain itself. It's not fair that players are scrutinized as much as they are, but then again, no one is forcing Destiny to play SC2 for a living. I'm sure he could get a job at McDonald's and no one would care about his personal affairs. Yeah you raise an interesting point. That said I feel we're a big part of the problem. It's not having a set of standards that we expect enforced, it's the unequal application of these pretty arbitrary standards to people liked and disliked by the community. Just look at a few of the big dramas we've had, and some we have not had. Orb - Fired from EG for use of a racist epithet. Idra - Until recently tolerated by EG despite frequent use of many derogatory terms, has toned that down to his credit. Destiny - Had his stream removed from the featured list for a while for a racial epithet. Stephano - Tweeted to HasuObs a jokey comment about 'Having burned any Jews lately?'. Removed Tweet, no further action made by the community. Until we actually mature to a stage where we have a set of standards that are universally enforced, these 'witchunts' appear to me to be pretty arbitrary in basis and harmful for the community as a whole. I'm on the 'more censorship = bad' side of the debate, but to be honest I'd be fine with a more moderated scene if this was done consistently instead of on a case-by-case basis based upon who is liked/disliked. This is a good post. I keep coming back to where to draw the line. If Grubby, Ret or Incontrol were caught cheating on their girlfriend, surely we'd start a witchhunt, right? Their action would've been high immoral, worse Destiny's, and apparently these kind of private events are totally our business as soon as they're made public. I feel like people shitting on Destiny are some kind of hippocratic moral elite.
Its not just the hypocritical "moral elite" here that makes things worse and worse. It is in every fucking aspect of our daily lifes where people like those who msg sponsors are guilty of limiting the freedom of speech.
Sounds a bit off the proportion but if you think about it, these are the same people that would start a whichhunt anywhere, it doesnt matter if its politics, esports, sports or whatever.
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On August 31 2012 09:02 Sokrates wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 08:57 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 08:45 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 31 2012 08:38 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 08:24 rd wrote:On August 31 2012 08:19 Defacer wrote:
I can't believe the amount of people that are still making excuses for Destiny ...
Did the girl respond unfairly? Yup. But guess what ... if your modus operandi includes talking shit and gossiping behind people's backs, actively trolling and antagonizing people, and not talking personal responsibility for your decisions and actions, guess what! sometimes it bites you in the ass.
All you guys that are apologizing for Destiny are the immature ones. Destiny is a big boy now that can do and say whatever he wants. If that includes taking pictures of his dick and shit-talking a girl, so be it.
But why the hell should anyone feel sorry for a guy who lives and dies by acting like a jackass?
So what does any of that have to do with SC2 again? The best AND worse part of the SC2 community is the passion and support of its fans. I'm sure it's part of the pitch teams make to sponsors. We aren't just a captive audience. We are engaged.We're smart, analytical, and supportive ... but also opinionated, analytical and judgemental. We're the type of fans that actually sit up and notice when a team gets a new player, a new team forms ... and when a team gets a new sponsor. We actually celebrate it. I can't name a corporate sponsor from the Olympics, but I can tell you that EG is sponsored by RaidCall, Kingston HyperX, Jinx Clothing and Intel without having to google it. That passion cuts both ways. While we'll prop up a product we believe in, even if it's not ready for primetime (NASL, early MLG) we will also rip into anyone or anything that makes the sport look bad. Honestly, if players can't handle having a community as active and OCD as ours, maybe they should consider playing a more boring game no one gives two-shits about, or doing a job that doesn't need corporate sponsorship to sustain itself. It's not fair that players are scrutinized as much as they are, but then again, no one is forcing Destiny to play SC2 for a living. I'm sure he could get a job at McDonald's and no one would care about his personal affairs. Yeah you raise an interesting point. That said I feel we're a big part of the problem. It's not having a set of standards that we expect enforced, it's the unequal application of these pretty arbitrary standards to people liked and disliked by the community. Just look at a few of the big dramas we've had, and some we have not had. Orb - Fired from EG for use of a racist epithet. Idra - Until recently tolerated by EG despite frequent use of many derogatory terms, has toned that down to his credit. Destiny - Had his stream removed from the featured list for a while for a racial epithet. Stephano - Tweeted to HasuObs a jokey comment about 'Having burned any Jews lately?'. Removed Tweet, no further action made by the community. Until we actually mature to a stage where we have a set of standards that are universally enforced, these 'witchunts' appear to me to be pretty arbitrary in basis and harmful for the community as a whole. I'm on the 'more censorship = bad' side of the debate, but to be honest I'd be fine with a more moderated scene if this was done consistently instead of on a case-by-case basis based upon who is liked/disliked. IdrA is a great example of a player that, despite his faults, brings great value to his team and sponsors. IdrA has a lingering reputation as a BM player, but at the same time he promotes his team and sponsors at every event, in every interview and during every cast he does. And better yet, he's extremely active and gets his sponsors tons of exposure. I'm sure if this happened to IdrA, Alex would remind his sponsors how much IdrA has done for them, suspend IdrA for a short period and dock some pay, and issue a carefully worded apology from IdrA via press release stating that he " exercised poor judgement ... ". Stephano is just fucking insane good at SC2, and is a commodity because of the amount of foreign/NA fans he has. So there are two models for Destiny to follow, if he wants to have his BM cake and eat it to -- be a great teammate and soldier or be one of the top five Zerg players in the world. Another solution is that the SC2 scene gets so big and flush with money that guys like Destiny are small potatoes that no one gives a shit about, anyways. So its basically ok if you are an asshole as long as you are good enough. Makes a lot of sense.Ethnically totally acceptable
Welcome to the real world of grown-ups, where not everyone is judged equally and the consequences a person suffers depends on their personality, reputation, accomplishments and contributions to their community.
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On August 31 2012 09:01 CaptainCrush wrote:I dont think its trolling, if any normal person had posted half the shit that Destiny has then they would be banned. Furthermore, he was a dick to a woman who knew how to return fire, he deserved everything he got. Root gave him a second chance, he fucked that up too, he will be lucky to be anything but a oil changer from now on.
What exactly did Destiny post?
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On August 31 2012 09:11 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 09:02 Sokrates wrote:On August 31 2012 08:57 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 08:45 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 31 2012 08:38 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 08:24 rd wrote:On August 31 2012 08:19 Defacer wrote:
I can't believe the amount of people that are still making excuses for Destiny ...
Did the girl respond unfairly? Yup. But guess what ... if your modus operandi includes talking shit and gossiping behind people's backs, actively trolling and antagonizing people, and not talking personal responsibility for your decisions and actions, guess what! sometimes it bites you in the ass.
All you guys that are apologizing for Destiny are the immature ones. Destiny is a big boy now that can do and say whatever he wants. If that includes taking pictures of his dick and shit-talking a girl, so be it.
But why the hell should anyone feel sorry for a guy who lives and dies by acting like a jackass?
So what does any of that have to do with SC2 again? The best AND worse part of the SC2 community is the passion and support of its fans. I'm sure it's part of the pitch teams make to sponsors. We aren't just a captive audience. We are engaged.We're smart, analytical, and supportive ... but also opinionated, analytical and judgemental. We're the type of fans that actually sit up and notice when a team gets a new player, a new team forms ... and when a team gets a new sponsor. We actually celebrate it. I can't name a corporate sponsor from the Olympics, but I can tell you that EG is sponsored by RaidCall, Kingston HyperX, Jinx Clothing and Intel without having to google it. That passion cuts both ways. While we'll prop up a product we believe in, even if it's not ready for primetime (NASL, early MLG) we will also rip into anyone or anything that makes the sport look bad. Honestly, if players can't handle having a community as active and OCD as ours, maybe they should consider playing a more boring game no one gives two-shits about, or doing a job that doesn't need corporate sponsorship to sustain itself. It's not fair that players are scrutinized as much as they are, but then again, no one is forcing Destiny to play SC2 for a living. I'm sure he could get a job at McDonald's and no one would care about his personal affairs. Yeah you raise an interesting point. That said I feel we're a big part of the problem. It's not having a set of standards that we expect enforced, it's the unequal application of these pretty arbitrary standards to people liked and disliked by the community. Just look at a few of the big dramas we've had, and some we have not had. Orb - Fired from EG for use of a racist epithet. Idra - Until recently tolerated by EG despite frequent use of many derogatory terms, has toned that down to his credit. Destiny - Had his stream removed from the featured list for a while for a racial epithet. Stephano - Tweeted to HasuObs a jokey comment about 'Having burned any Jews lately?'. Removed Tweet, no further action made by the community. Until we actually mature to a stage where we have a set of standards that are universally enforced, these 'witchunts' appear to me to be pretty arbitrary in basis and harmful for the community as a whole. I'm on the 'more censorship = bad' side of the debate, but to be honest I'd be fine with a more moderated scene if this was done consistently instead of on a case-by-case basis based upon who is liked/disliked. IdrA is a great example of a player that, despite his faults, brings great value to his team and sponsors. IdrA has a lingering reputation as a BM player, but at the same time he promotes his team and sponsors at every event, in every interview and during every cast he does. And better yet, he's extremely active and gets his sponsors tons of exposure. I'm sure if this happened to IdrA, Alex would remind his sponsors how much IdrA has done for them, suspend IdrA for a short period and dock some pay, and issue a carefully worded apology from IdrA via press release stating that he " exercised poor judgement ... ". Stephano is just fucking insane good at SC2, and is a commodity because of the amount of foreign/NA fans he has. So there are two models for Destiny to follow, if he wants to have his BM cake and eat it to -- be a great teammate and soldier or be one of the top five Zerg players in the world. Another solution is that the SC2 scene gets so big and flush with money that guys like Destiny are small potatoes that no one gives a shit about, anyways. So its basically ok if you are an asshole as long as you are good enough. Makes a lot of sense.Ethnically totally acceptable Welcome to the real world of grown-ups, where not everyone is judged equally and the consequences a person suffers depends on personality, accomplishments and contributions to their community.
So thats a good thing?
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On August 31 2012 08:55 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 08:38 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 08:24 rd wrote:On August 31 2012 08:19 Defacer wrote:
I can't believe the amount of people that are still making excuses for Destiny ...
Did the girl respond unfairly? Yup. But guess what ... if your modus operandi includes talking shit and gossiping behind people's backs, actively trolling and antagonizing people, and not talking personal responsibility for your decisions and actions, guess what! sometimes it bites you in the ass.
All you guys that are apologizing for Destiny are the immature ones. Destiny is a big boy now that can do and say whatever he wants. If that includes taking pictures of his dick and shit-talking a girl, so be it.
But why the hell should anyone feel sorry for a guy who lives and dies by acting like a jackass?
So what does any of that have to do with SC2 again? The best AND worse part of the SC2 community is the passion and support of its fans. I'm sure it's part of the pitch teams make to sponsors. We aren't just a captive audience. We are engaged.We're smart, analytical, and supportive ... but also opinionated, analytical and judgemental. We're the type of fans that actually sit up and notice when a team gets a new player, a new team forms ... and when a team gets a new sponsor. We actually celebrate it. I can't name a corporate sponsor from the Olympics, but I can tell you that EG is sponsored by RaidCall, Kingston HyperX, Jinx Clothing, Monster Energy Drink and Intel without having to google it. That passion cuts both ways. While we'll prop up a product we believe in, even if it's not ready for primetime (NASL, early MLG) we will also rip into anyone or anything that makes the sport look bad. Honestly, if players can't handle having a community as active and OCD as ours, maybe they should consider playing a more boring game no one gives two-shits about, or doing a job that doesn't need corporate sponsorship to sustain itself. It's not fair that players are scrutinized as much as they are, but then again, no one is forcing Destiny to play SC2 for a living. I'm sure he could get a job at McDonald's and no one would care about his personal affairs. I wouldn't say captive and engaging audience as much as I'd say we have an unfortunate fraction of our audience who figured out that e-mailing sponsors is a good way to bring their drama fueled, self-entitled judgment down upon a player they decide they want to be offended by. I doubt there are even fraction of e-mails representing his actual fans expressing their satisfaction with the sponsor. The NASL comparison isn't even relevant. NORMAL people would post about Destiny or NASL and voice their discontent/dissatisfaction with the event/player. They might never even watch that event or support that player. That's fine and fair, and completely true to your post. It's the other fans, however, that decide they don't like it so nobody can have it and try to sabotage it. I don't think disappointed SC2 fans went out of their way to see NASL come burning down. With these witch hunts it's not even about being upset at sponsors. They KNOW sponsors will cave and they just do it whenever they get offended now, and what offends them seems to broaden every few months. And besides, the NASL comparison is even moreso irrelevant because it's not like people were ripping it because something in Incontrol's personal life surfaced. I mean, you're comparing an object created to serve SC2 with a human being.
This is also a very good post.
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On August 31 2012 09:12 Sokrates wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 09:11 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 09:02 Sokrates wrote:On August 31 2012 08:57 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 08:45 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 31 2012 08:38 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 08:24 rd wrote:On August 31 2012 08:19 Defacer wrote:
I can't believe the amount of people that are still making excuses for Destiny ...
Did the girl respond unfairly? Yup. But guess what ... if your modus operandi includes talking shit and gossiping behind people's backs, actively trolling and antagonizing people, and not talking personal responsibility for your decisions and actions, guess what! sometimes it bites you in the ass.
All you guys that are apologizing for Destiny are the immature ones. Destiny is a big boy now that can do and say whatever he wants. If that includes taking pictures of his dick and shit-talking a girl, so be it.
But why the hell should anyone feel sorry for a guy who lives and dies by acting like a jackass?
So what does any of that have to do with SC2 again? The best AND worse part of the SC2 community is the passion and support of its fans. I'm sure it's part of the pitch teams make to sponsors. We aren't just a captive audience. We are engaged.We're smart, analytical, and supportive ... but also opinionated, analytical and judgemental. We're the type of fans that actually sit up and notice when a team gets a new player, a new team forms ... and when a team gets a new sponsor. We actually celebrate it. I can't name a corporate sponsor from the Olympics, but I can tell you that EG is sponsored by RaidCall, Kingston HyperX, Jinx Clothing and Intel without having to google it. That passion cuts both ways. While we'll prop up a product we believe in, even if it's not ready for primetime (NASL, early MLG) we will also rip into anyone or anything that makes the sport look bad. Honestly, if players can't handle having a community as active and OCD as ours, maybe they should consider playing a more boring game no one gives two-shits about, or doing a job that doesn't need corporate sponsorship to sustain itself. It's not fair that players are scrutinized as much as they are, but then again, no one is forcing Destiny to play SC2 for a living. I'm sure he could get a job at McDonald's and no one would care about his personal affairs. Yeah you raise an interesting point. That said I feel we're a big part of the problem. It's not having a set of standards that we expect enforced, it's the unequal application of these pretty arbitrary standards to people liked and disliked by the community. Just look at a few of the big dramas we've had, and some we have not had. Orb - Fired from EG for use of a racist epithet. Idra - Until recently tolerated by EG despite frequent use of many derogatory terms, has toned that down to his credit. Destiny - Had his stream removed from the featured list for a while for a racial epithet. Stephano - Tweeted to HasuObs a jokey comment about 'Having burned any Jews lately?'. Removed Tweet, no further action made by the community. Until we actually mature to a stage where we have a set of standards that are universally enforced, these 'witchunts' appear to me to be pretty arbitrary in basis and harmful for the community as a whole. I'm on the 'more censorship = bad' side of the debate, but to be honest I'd be fine with a more moderated scene if this was done consistently instead of on a case-by-case basis based upon who is liked/disliked. IdrA is a great example of a player that, despite his faults, brings great value to his team and sponsors. IdrA has a lingering reputation as a BM player, but at the same time he promotes his team and sponsors at every event, in every interview and during every cast he does. And better yet, he's extremely active and gets his sponsors tons of exposure. I'm sure if this happened to IdrA, Alex would remind his sponsors how much IdrA has done for them, suspend IdrA for a short period and dock some pay, and issue a carefully worded apology from IdrA via press release stating that he " exercised poor judgement ... ". Stephano is just fucking insane good at SC2, and is a commodity because of the amount of foreign/NA fans he has. So there are two models for Destiny to follow, if he wants to have his BM cake and eat it to -- be a great teammate and soldier or be one of the top five Zerg players in the world. Another solution is that the SC2 scene gets so big and flush with money that guys like Destiny are small potatoes that no one gives a shit about, anyways. So its basically ok if you are an asshole as long as you are good enough. Makes a lot of sense.Ethnically totally acceptable Welcome to the real world of grown-ups, where not everyone is judged equally and the consequences a person suffers depends on personality, accomplishments and contributions to their community. So thats a good thing?
Is your advice to Destiny to stay the course and wait until the world changes?
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On August 31 2012 09:10 Sokrates wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 09:04 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On August 31 2012 08:45 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 31 2012 08:38 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 08:24 rd wrote:On August 31 2012 08:19 Defacer wrote:
I can't believe the amount of people that are still making excuses for Destiny ...
Did the girl respond unfairly? Yup. But guess what ... if your modus operandi includes talking shit and gossiping behind people's backs, actively trolling and antagonizing people, and not talking personal responsibility for your decisions and actions, guess what! sometimes it bites you in the ass.
All you guys that are apologizing for Destiny are the immature ones. Destiny is a big boy now that can do and say whatever he wants. If that includes taking pictures of his dick and shit-talking a girl, so be it.
But why the hell should anyone feel sorry for a guy who lives and dies by acting like a jackass?
So what does any of that have to do with SC2 again? The best AND worse part of the SC2 community is the passion and support of its fans. I'm sure it's part of the pitch teams make to sponsors. We aren't just a captive audience. We are engaged.We're smart, analytical, and supportive ... but also opinionated, analytical and judgemental. We're the type of fans that actually sit up and notice when a team gets a new player, a new team forms ... and when a team gets a new sponsor. We actually celebrate it. I can't name a corporate sponsor from the Olympics, but I can tell you that EG is sponsored by RaidCall, Kingston HyperX, Jinx Clothing and Intel without having to google it. That passion cuts both ways. While we'll prop up a product we believe in, even if it's not ready for primetime (NASL, early MLG) we will also rip into anyone or anything that makes the sport look bad. Honestly, if players can't handle having a community as active and OCD as ours, maybe they should consider playing a more boring game no one gives two-shits about, or doing a job that doesn't need corporate sponsorship to sustain itself. It's not fair that players are scrutinized as much as they are, but then again, no one is forcing Destiny to play SC2 for a living. I'm sure he could get a job at McDonald's and no one would care about his personal affairs. Yeah you raise an interesting point. That said I feel we're a big part of the problem. It's not having a set of standards that we expect enforced, it's the unequal application of these pretty arbitrary standards to people liked and disliked by the community. Just look at a few of the big dramas we've had, and some we have not had. Orb - Fired from EG for use of a racist epithet. Idra - Until recently tolerated by EG despite frequent use of many derogatory terms, has toned that down to his credit. Destiny - Had his stream removed from the featured list for a while for a racial epithet. Stephano - Tweeted to HasuObs a jokey comment about 'Having burned any Jews lately?'. Removed Tweet, no further action made by the community. Until we actually mature to a stage where we have a set of standards that are universally enforced, these 'witchunts' appear to me to be pretty arbitrary in basis and harmful for the community as a whole. I'm on the 'more censorship = bad' side of the debate, but to be honest I'd be fine with a more moderated scene if this was done consistently instead of on a case-by-case basis based upon who is liked/disliked. This is a good post. I keep coming back to where to draw the line. If Grubby, Ret or Incontrol were caught cheating on their girlfriend, surely we'd start a witchhunt, right? Their action would've been high immoral, worse Destiny's, and apparently these kind of private events are totally our business as soon as they're made public. I feel like people shitting on Destiny are some kind of hippocratic moral elite. Its not just the hypocritical "moral elite" here that makes things worse and worse. It is in every fucking aspect of our daily lifes where people like those who msg sponsors are guilty of limiting the freedom of speech. Sounds a bit off the proportion but if you think about it. These are the same people that start a whichhunt anywhere it doesnt matter if its politics, esports, sports whatever.
They're assholes, those kind of people. Never join any kind of university politics society or anything like that because it's infested with them.
They'll tear into people who don't fit their worldview and claim to be all enlightened and liberal. On the other hand they will do absolutely fuck all to actually help people or improve society. They exist solely to fuel their ego, or massage a public image of being a good person by tearing down other people.
You will not see these kind of people at the soup kitchen, or helping the homeless or anything like that. Not that I do (got refused back for not being a Christian with one group though), but I don't go around demanding my moral standards apply to everyone and silencing the dissenters
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On August 31 2012 09:07 Kranzor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 09:02 Sokrates wrote:On August 31 2012 08:57 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 08:45 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 31 2012 08:38 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 08:24 rd wrote:On August 31 2012 08:19 Defacer wrote:
I can't believe the amount of people that are still making excuses for Destiny ...
Did the girl respond unfairly? Yup. But guess what ... if your modus operandi includes talking shit and gossiping behind people's backs, actively trolling and antagonizing people, and not talking personal responsibility for your decisions and actions, guess what! sometimes it bites you in the ass.
All you guys that are apologizing for Destiny are the immature ones. Destiny is a big boy now that can do and say whatever he wants. If that includes taking pictures of his dick and shit-talking a girl, so be it.
But why the hell should anyone feel sorry for a guy who lives and dies by acting like a jackass?
So what does any of that have to do with SC2 again? The best AND worse part of the SC2 community is the passion and support of its fans. I'm sure it's part of the pitch teams make to sponsors. We aren't just a captive audience. We are engaged.We're smart, analytical, and supportive ... but also opinionated, analytical and judgemental. We're the type of fans that actually sit up and notice when a team gets a new player, a new team forms ... and when a team gets a new sponsor. We actually celebrate it. I can't name a corporate sponsor from the Olympics, but I can tell you that EG is sponsored by RaidCall, Kingston HyperX, Jinx Clothing and Intel without having to google it. That passion cuts both ways. While we'll prop up a product we believe in, even if it's not ready for primetime (NASL, early MLG) we will also rip into anyone or anything that makes the sport look bad. Honestly, if players can't handle having a community as active and OCD as ours, maybe they should consider playing a more boring game no one gives two-shits about, or doing a job that doesn't need corporate sponsorship to sustain itself. It's not fair that players are scrutinized as much as they are, but then again, no one is forcing Destiny to play SC2 for a living. I'm sure he could get a job at McDonald's and no one would care about his personal affairs. Yeah you raise an interesting point. That said I feel we're a big part of the problem. It's not having a set of standards that we expect enforced, it's the unequal application of these pretty arbitrary standards to people liked and disliked by the community. Just look at a few of the big dramas we've had, and some we have not had. Orb - Fired from EG for use of a racist epithet. Idra - Until recently tolerated by EG despite frequent use of many derogatory terms, has toned that down to his credit. Destiny - Had his stream removed from the featured list for a while for a racial epithet. Stephano - Tweeted to HasuObs a jokey comment about 'Having burned any Jews lately?'. Removed Tweet, no further action made by the community. Until we actually mature to a stage where we have a set of standards that are universally enforced, these 'witchunts' appear to me to be pretty arbitrary in basis and harmful for the community as a whole. I'm on the 'more censorship = bad' side of the debate, but to be honest I'd be fine with a more moderated scene if this was done consistently instead of on a case-by-case basis based upon who is liked/disliked. IdrA is a great example of a player that, despite his faults, brings great value to his team and sponsors. IdrA has a lingering reputation as a BM player, but at the same time he promotes his team and sponsors at every event, in every interview and during every cast he does. And better yet, he's extremely active and gets his sponsors tons of exposure. I'm sure if this happened to IdrA, Alex would remind his sponsors how much IdrA has done for them, suspend IdrA for a short period and dock some pay, and issue a carefully worded apology from IdrA via press release stating that he " exercised poor judgement ... ". Stephano is just fucking insane good at SC2, and is a commodity because of the amount of foreign/NA fans he has. So there are two models for Destiny to follow, if he wants to have his BM cake and eat it to -- be a great teammate and soldier or be one of the top five Zerg players in the world. Another solution is that the SC2 scene gets so big and flush with money that guys like Destiny are small potatoes that no one gives a shit about, anyways. So its basically ok if you are an asshole as long as you are good enough. Makes a lot of sense.Ethnically totally acceptable Its hypocrit logic. Get used to it, you will hear it a lot in these threads.
It's big boy logic. Trust me, you'll get it one day.
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On August 31 2012 09:14 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 09:10 Sokrates wrote:On August 31 2012 09:04 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On August 31 2012 08:45 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 31 2012 08:38 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 08:24 rd wrote:On August 31 2012 08:19 Defacer wrote:
I can't believe the amount of people that are still making excuses for Destiny ...
Did the girl respond unfairly? Yup. But guess what ... if your modus operandi includes talking shit and gossiping behind people's backs, actively trolling and antagonizing people, and not talking personal responsibility for your decisions and actions, guess what! sometimes it bites you in the ass.
All you guys that are apologizing for Destiny are the immature ones. Destiny is a big boy now that can do and say whatever he wants. If that includes taking pictures of his dick and shit-talking a girl, so be it.
But why the hell should anyone feel sorry for a guy who lives and dies by acting like a jackass?
So what does any of that have to do with SC2 again? The best AND worse part of the SC2 community is the passion and support of its fans. I'm sure it's part of the pitch teams make to sponsors. We aren't just a captive audience. We are engaged.We're smart, analytical, and supportive ... but also opinionated, analytical and judgemental. We're the type of fans that actually sit up and notice when a team gets a new player, a new team forms ... and when a team gets a new sponsor. We actually celebrate it. I can't name a corporate sponsor from the Olympics, but I can tell you that EG is sponsored by RaidCall, Kingston HyperX, Jinx Clothing and Intel without having to google it. That passion cuts both ways. While we'll prop up a product we believe in, even if it's not ready for primetime (NASL, early MLG) we will also rip into anyone or anything that makes the sport look bad. Honestly, if players can't handle having a community as active and OCD as ours, maybe they should consider playing a more boring game no one gives two-shits about, or doing a job that doesn't need corporate sponsorship to sustain itself. It's not fair that players are scrutinized as much as they are, but then again, no one is forcing Destiny to play SC2 for a living. I'm sure he could get a job at McDonald's and no one would care about his personal affairs. Yeah you raise an interesting point. That said I feel we're a big part of the problem. It's not having a set of standards that we expect enforced, it's the unequal application of these pretty arbitrary standards to people liked and disliked by the community. Just look at a few of the big dramas we've had, and some we have not had. Orb - Fired from EG for use of a racist epithet. Idra - Until recently tolerated by EG despite frequent use of many derogatory terms, has toned that down to his credit. Destiny - Had his stream removed from the featured list for a while for a racial epithet. Stephano - Tweeted to HasuObs a jokey comment about 'Having burned any Jews lately?'. Removed Tweet, no further action made by the community. Until we actually mature to a stage where we have a set of standards that are universally enforced, these 'witchunts' appear to me to be pretty arbitrary in basis and harmful for the community as a whole. I'm on the 'more censorship = bad' side of the debate, but to be honest I'd be fine with a more moderated scene if this was done consistently instead of on a case-by-case basis based upon who is liked/disliked. This is a good post. I keep coming back to where to draw the line. If Grubby, Ret or Incontrol were caught cheating on their girlfriend, surely we'd start a witchhunt, right? Their action would've been high immoral, worse Destiny's, and apparently these kind of private events are totally our business as soon as they're made public. I feel like people shitting on Destiny are some kind of hippocratic moral elite. Its not just the hypocritical "moral elite" here that makes things worse and worse. It is in every fucking aspect of our daily lifes where people like those who msg sponsors are guilty of limiting the freedom of speech. Sounds a bit off the proportion but if you think about it. These are the same people that start a whichhunt anywhere it doesnt matter if its politics, esports, sports whatever. They're assholes, those kind of people. Never join any kind of university politics society or anything like that because it's infested with them. They'll tear into people who don't fit their worldview and claim to be all enlightened and liberal. On the other hand they will do absolutely fuck all to actually help people or improve society. They exist solely to fuel their ego, or massage a public image of being a good person by tearing down other people. You will not see these kind of people at the soup kitchen, or helping the homeless or anything like that. Not that I do (got refused back for not being a Christian with one group though), but I don't go around demanding my moral standards apply to everyone and silencing the dissenters
You're veering off-topic here lol
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On August 31 2012 09:12 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 08:55 rd wrote:On August 31 2012 08:38 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 08:24 rd wrote:On August 31 2012 08:19 Defacer wrote:
I can't believe the amount of people that are still making excuses for Destiny ...
Did the girl respond unfairly? Yup. But guess what ... if your modus operandi includes talking shit and gossiping behind people's backs, actively trolling and antagonizing people, and not talking personal responsibility for your decisions and actions, guess what! sometimes it bites you in the ass.
All you guys that are apologizing for Destiny are the immature ones. Destiny is a big boy now that can do and say whatever he wants. If that includes taking pictures of his dick and shit-talking a girl, so be it.
But why the hell should anyone feel sorry for a guy who lives and dies by acting like a jackass?
So what does any of that have to do with SC2 again? The best AND worse part of the SC2 community is the passion and support of its fans. I'm sure it's part of the pitch teams make to sponsors. We aren't just a captive audience. We are engaged.We're smart, analytical, and supportive ... but also opinionated, analytical and judgemental. We're the type of fans that actually sit up and notice when a team gets a new player, a new team forms ... and when a team gets a new sponsor. We actually celebrate it. I can't name a corporate sponsor from the Olympics, but I can tell you that EG is sponsored by RaidCall, Kingston HyperX, Jinx Clothing, Monster Energy Drink and Intel without having to google it. That passion cuts both ways. While we'll prop up a product we believe in, even if it's not ready for primetime (NASL, early MLG) we will also rip into anyone or anything that makes the sport look bad. Honestly, if players can't handle having a community as active and OCD as ours, maybe they should consider playing a more boring game no one gives two-shits about, or doing a job that doesn't need corporate sponsorship to sustain itself. It's not fair that players are scrutinized as much as they are, but then again, no one is forcing Destiny to play SC2 for a living. I'm sure he could get a job at McDonald's and no one would care about his personal affairs. I wouldn't say captive and engaging audience as much as I'd say we have an unfortunate fraction of our audience who figured out that e-mailing sponsors is a good way to bring their drama fueled, self-entitled judgment down upon a player they decide they want to be offended by. I doubt there are even fraction of e-mails representing his actual fans expressing their satisfaction with the sponsor. The NASL comparison isn't even relevant. NORMAL people would post about Destiny or NASL and voice their discontent/dissatisfaction with the event/player. They might never even watch that event or support that player. That's fine and fair, and completely true to your post. It's the other fans, however, that decide they don't like it so nobody can have it and try to sabotage it. I don't think disappointed SC2 fans went out of their way to see NASL come burning down. With these witch hunts it's not even about being upset at sponsors. They KNOW sponsors will cave and they just do it whenever they get offended now, and what offends them seems to broaden every few months. And besides, the NASL comparison is even moreso irrelevant because it's not like people were ripping it because something in Incontrol's personal life surfaced. I mean, you're comparing an object created to serve SC2 with a human being. This is also a very good post.
Good to see some 'good posts' knocking about here.
It's actually applicable though, here. The reason sponsors drop players is because the negative, complaining emails greatly outweigh the positive. In addition this community would be a better place if people who took the time out to actually write reasonable posts got a bit of positive feedback for once.
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Just wow. This whole thing is so ridiculous I don't even know what to think anymore. I think everyone knows people like destiny themselves, they might be funny, but they sometimes don't care about respecting other people that much for the sake of "being themselves" or whatever. I think it's better to have some self reflection in this area instead of overestimating the value of saying out loud "what you really think" all the time. In my opinion society would not work if anyone would follow this principle blindly all the time and it could serve as an excuse to act like a d***, to say it bluntly. Sure, state your opinion, but its different from being knowingly disrespectful. But thats just personal opinion of couse, not trying to really judge anyone in this whole thing.
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On August 31 2012 09:11 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 09:01 CaptainCrush wrote:On August 31 2012 08:58 Kenpark wrote:Lol nice troll man. I dont think its trolling, if any normal person had posted half the shit that Destiny has then they would be banned. Furthermore, he was a dick to a woman who knew how to return fire, he deserved everything he got. Root gave him a second chance, he fucked that up too, he will be lucky to be anything but a oil changer from now on. What exactly did Destiny post?
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On August 31 2012 09:16 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 09:12 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On August 31 2012 08:55 rd wrote:On August 31 2012 08:38 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 08:24 rd wrote:On August 31 2012 08:19 Defacer wrote:
I can't believe the amount of people that are still making excuses for Destiny ...
Did the girl respond unfairly? Yup. But guess what ... if your modus operandi includes talking shit and gossiping behind people's backs, actively trolling and antagonizing people, and not talking personal responsibility for your decisions and actions, guess what! sometimes it bites you in the ass.
All you guys that are apologizing for Destiny are the immature ones. Destiny is a big boy now that can do and say whatever he wants. If that includes taking pictures of his dick and shit-talking a girl, so be it.
But why the hell should anyone feel sorry for a guy who lives and dies by acting like a jackass?
So what does any of that have to do with SC2 again? The best AND worse part of the SC2 community is the passion and support of its fans. I'm sure it's part of the pitch teams make to sponsors. We aren't just a captive audience. We are engaged.We're smart, analytical, and supportive ... but also opinionated, analytical and judgemental. We're the type of fans that actually sit up and notice when a team gets a new player, a new team forms ... and when a team gets a new sponsor. We actually celebrate it. I can't name a corporate sponsor from the Olympics, but I can tell you that EG is sponsored by RaidCall, Kingston HyperX, Jinx Clothing, Monster Energy Drink and Intel without having to google it. That passion cuts both ways. While we'll prop up a product we believe in, even if it's not ready for primetime (NASL, early MLG) we will also rip into anyone or anything that makes the sport look bad. Honestly, if players can't handle having a community as active and OCD as ours, maybe they should consider playing a more boring game no one gives two-shits about, or doing a job that doesn't need corporate sponsorship to sustain itself. It's not fair that players are scrutinized as much as they are, but then again, no one is forcing Destiny to play SC2 for a living. I'm sure he could get a job at McDonald's and no one would care about his personal affairs. I wouldn't say captive and engaging audience as much as I'd say we have an unfortunate fraction of our audience who figured out that e-mailing sponsors is a good way to bring their drama fueled, self-entitled judgment down upon a player they decide they want to be offended by. I doubt there are even fraction of e-mails representing his actual fans expressing their satisfaction with the sponsor. The NASL comparison isn't even relevant. NORMAL people would post about Destiny or NASL and voice their discontent/dissatisfaction with the event/player. They might never even watch that event or support that player. That's fine and fair, and completely true to your post. It's the other fans, however, that decide they don't like it so nobody can have it and try to sabotage it. I don't think disappointed SC2 fans went out of their way to see NASL come burning down. With these witch hunts it's not even about being upset at sponsors. They KNOW sponsors will cave and they just do it whenever they get offended now, and what offends them seems to broaden every few months. And besides, the NASL comparison is even moreso irrelevant because it's not like people were ripping it because something in Incontrol's personal life surfaced. I mean, you're comparing an object created to serve SC2 with a human being. This is also a very good post. Good to see some 'good posts' knocking about here. It's actually applicable though, here. The reason sponsors drop players is because the negative, complaining emails greatly outweigh the positive. In addition this community would be a better place if people who took the time out to actually write reasonable posts got a bit of positive feedback for once.
SC2 esports is still a cottage industry. Positive feedback goes a long way. And negative feedback scares the bejeebus out of sponsors that are already skeptical about the long-term potential of this market.
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On August 31 2012 09:11 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 09:01 CaptainCrush wrote:On August 31 2012 08:58 Kenpark wrote:Lol nice troll man. I dont think its trolling, if any normal person had posted half the shit that Destiny has then they would be banned. Furthermore, he was a dick to a woman who knew how to return fire, he deserved everything he got. Root gave him a second chance, he fucked that up too, he will be lucky to be anything but a oil changer from now on. What exactly did Destiny post?
Ur kidding me right? He was in the TL news not even 2 months ago for calling someone a n***er on his stream whill plaing. thats why he was kicked off of quantic. Are you that dense? This guy is a grade_A moron, he even fucked up his second chance.
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On August 31 2012 09:18 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 09:16 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 31 2012 09:12 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On August 31 2012 08:55 rd wrote:On August 31 2012 08:38 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 08:24 rd wrote:On August 31 2012 08:19 Defacer wrote:
I can't believe the amount of people that are still making excuses for Destiny ...
Did the girl respond unfairly? Yup. But guess what ... if your modus operandi includes talking shit and gossiping behind people's backs, actively trolling and antagonizing people, and not talking personal responsibility for your decisions and actions, guess what! sometimes it bites you in the ass.
All you guys that are apologizing for Destiny are the immature ones. Destiny is a big boy now that can do and say whatever he wants. If that includes taking pictures of his dick and shit-talking a girl, so be it.
But why the hell should anyone feel sorry for a guy who lives and dies by acting like a jackass?
So what does any of that have to do with SC2 again? The best AND worse part of the SC2 community is the passion and support of its fans. I'm sure it's part of the pitch teams make to sponsors. We aren't just a captive audience. We are engaged.We're smart, analytical, and supportive ... but also opinionated, analytical and judgemental. We're the type of fans that actually sit up and notice when a team gets a new player, a new team forms ... and when a team gets a new sponsor. We actually celebrate it. I can't name a corporate sponsor from the Olympics, but I can tell you that EG is sponsored by RaidCall, Kingston HyperX, Jinx Clothing, Monster Energy Drink and Intel without having to google it. That passion cuts both ways. While we'll prop up a product we believe in, even if it's not ready for primetime (NASL, early MLG) we will also rip into anyone or anything that makes the sport look bad. Honestly, if players can't handle having a community as active and OCD as ours, maybe they should consider playing a more boring game no one gives two-shits about, or doing a job that doesn't need corporate sponsorship to sustain itself. It's not fair that players are scrutinized as much as they are, but then again, no one is forcing Destiny to play SC2 for a living. I'm sure he could get a job at McDonald's and no one would care about his personal affairs. I wouldn't say captive and engaging audience as much as I'd say we have an unfortunate fraction of our audience who figured out that e-mailing sponsors is a good way to bring their drama fueled, self-entitled judgment down upon a player they decide they want to be offended by. I doubt there are even fraction of e-mails representing his actual fans expressing their satisfaction with the sponsor. The NASL comparison isn't even relevant. NORMAL people would post about Destiny or NASL and voice their discontent/dissatisfaction with the event/player. They might never even watch that event or support that player. That's fine and fair, and completely true to your post. It's the other fans, however, that decide they don't like it so nobody can have it and try to sabotage it. I don't think disappointed SC2 fans went out of their way to see NASL come burning down. With these witch hunts it's not even about being upset at sponsors. They KNOW sponsors will cave and they just do it whenever they get offended now, and what offends them seems to broaden every few months. And besides, the NASL comparison is even moreso irrelevant because it's not like people were ripping it because something in Incontrol's personal life surfaced. I mean, you're comparing an object created to serve SC2 with a human being. This is also a very good post. Good to see some 'good posts' knocking about here. It's actually applicable though, here. The reason sponsors drop players is because the negative, complaining emails greatly outweigh the positive. In addition this community would be a better place if people who took the time out to actually write reasonable posts got a bit of positive feedback for once. SC2 esports is still a cottage industry. Positive feedback goes a long way. And negative feedback scares the bejeebus out of people.
Exactly, I mean it's not a massive act to give some good sponsor feedback. I recently found out about Mionix and their range of products through their Naniwa sponsorship, checked them out and ordered one. I emailed the company to let them know that their E-sports presence was the only reason I found their products. I've heard of similar tales going around TL, let's try and represent our community in a good fashion instead of being a bunch of whiny entitled morons.
Also, yeah my last post did veer a bit off-topic, duly correcting my course. Still true though 
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On August 31 2012 09:13 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 09:12 Sokrates wrote:On August 31 2012 09:11 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 09:02 Sokrates wrote:On August 31 2012 08:57 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 08:45 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 31 2012 08:38 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 08:24 rd wrote:On August 31 2012 08:19 Defacer wrote:
I can't believe the amount of people that are still making excuses for Destiny ...
Did the girl respond unfairly? Yup. But guess what ... if your modus operandi includes talking shit and gossiping behind people's backs, actively trolling and antagonizing people, and not talking personal responsibility for your decisions and actions, guess what! sometimes it bites you in the ass.
All you guys that are apologizing for Destiny are the immature ones. Destiny is a big boy now that can do and say whatever he wants. If that includes taking pictures of his dick and shit-talking a girl, so be it.
But why the hell should anyone feel sorry for a guy who lives and dies by acting like a jackass?
So what does any of that have to do with SC2 again? The best AND worse part of the SC2 community is the passion and support of its fans. I'm sure it's part of the pitch teams make to sponsors. We aren't just a captive audience. We are engaged.We're smart, analytical, and supportive ... but also opinionated, analytical and judgemental. We're the type of fans that actually sit up and notice when a team gets a new player, a new team forms ... and when a team gets a new sponsor. We actually celebrate it. I can't name a corporate sponsor from the Olympics, but I can tell you that EG is sponsored by RaidCall, Kingston HyperX, Jinx Clothing and Intel without having to google it. That passion cuts both ways. While we'll prop up a product we believe in, even if it's not ready for primetime (NASL, early MLG) we will also rip into anyone or anything that makes the sport look bad. Honestly, if players can't handle having a community as active and OCD as ours, maybe they should consider playing a more boring game no one gives two-shits about, or doing a job that doesn't need corporate sponsorship to sustain itself. It's not fair that players are scrutinized as much as they are, but then again, no one is forcing Destiny to play SC2 for a living. I'm sure he could get a job at McDonald's and no one would care about his personal affairs. Yeah you raise an interesting point. That said I feel we're a big part of the problem. It's not having a set of standards that we expect enforced, it's the unequal application of these pretty arbitrary standards to people liked and disliked by the community. Just look at a few of the big dramas we've had, and some we have not had. Orb - Fired from EG for use of a racist epithet. Idra - Until recently tolerated by EG despite frequent use of many derogatory terms, has toned that down to his credit. Destiny - Had his stream removed from the featured list for a while for a racial epithet. Stephano - Tweeted to HasuObs a jokey comment about 'Having burned any Jews lately?'. Removed Tweet, no further action made by the community. Until we actually mature to a stage where we have a set of standards that are universally enforced, these 'witchunts' appear to me to be pretty arbitrary in basis and harmful for the community as a whole. I'm on the 'more censorship = bad' side of the debate, but to be honest I'd be fine with a more moderated scene if this was done consistently instead of on a case-by-case basis based upon who is liked/disliked. IdrA is a great example of a player that, despite his faults, brings great value to his team and sponsors. IdrA has a lingering reputation as a BM player, but at the same time he promotes his team and sponsors at every event, in every interview and during every cast he does. And better yet, he's extremely active and gets his sponsors tons of exposure. I'm sure if this happened to IdrA, Alex would remind his sponsors how much IdrA has done for them, suspend IdrA for a short period and dock some pay, and issue a carefully worded apology from IdrA via press release stating that he " exercised poor judgement ... ". Stephano is just fucking insane good at SC2, and is a commodity because of the amount of foreign/NA fans he has. So there are two models for Destiny to follow, if he wants to have his BM cake and eat it to -- be a great teammate and soldier or be one of the top five Zerg players in the world. Another solution is that the SC2 scene gets so big and flush with money that guys like Destiny are small potatoes that no one gives a shit about, anyways. So its basically ok if you are an asshole as long as you are good enough. Makes a lot of sense.Ethnically totally acceptable Welcome to the real world of grown-ups, where not everyone is judged equally and the consequences a person suffers depends on personality, accomplishments and contributions to their community. So thats a good thing? Is your advice to Destiny to stay the course and wait until the world changes?
My advice is that the esports community STOPS starting witchhunts and stops emailing sponors about this trivial shit. We are a young community and we can acutally be BETTER than all the other bullshit that is going on. We can stop being the same hypocritical assholes that use every inch of a mistep a person to drill him his noose and hang him.
Stop being twofaced and hypocritical. Stop making a big fucking deal out of every misbehavior and stop trying to get people disbanded from teams. Stop being self-righteous, stop punish people so they lose their job/team by a fucking minor mistep. Stop blowing things out of proportion.
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Canada11381 Posts
On August 31 2012 09:18 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 09:16 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 31 2012 09:12 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On August 31 2012 08:55 rd wrote:On August 31 2012 08:38 Defacer wrote:On August 31 2012 08:24 rd wrote:On August 31 2012 08:19 Defacer wrote:
I can't believe the amount of people that are still making excuses for Destiny ...
Did the girl respond unfairly? Yup. But guess what ... if your modus operandi includes talking shit and gossiping behind people's backs, actively trolling and antagonizing people, and not talking personal responsibility for your decisions and actions, guess what! sometimes it bites you in the ass.
All you guys that are apologizing for Destiny are the immature ones. Destiny is a big boy now that can do and say whatever he wants. If that includes taking pictures of his dick and shit-talking a girl, so be it.
But why the hell should anyone feel sorry for a guy who lives and dies by acting like a jackass?
So what does any of that have to do with SC2 again? The best AND worse part of the SC2 community is the passion and support of its fans. I'm sure it's part of the pitch teams make to sponsors. We aren't just a captive audience. We are engaged.We're smart, analytical, and supportive ... but also opinionated, analytical and judgemental. We're the type of fans that actually sit up and notice when a team gets a new player, a new team forms ... and when a team gets a new sponsor. We actually celebrate it. I can't name a corporate sponsor from the Olympics, but I can tell you that EG is sponsored by RaidCall, Kingston HyperX, Jinx Clothing, Monster Energy Drink and Intel without having to google it. That passion cuts both ways. While we'll prop up a product we believe in, even if it's not ready for primetime (NASL, early MLG) we will also rip into anyone or anything that makes the sport look bad. Honestly, if players can't handle having a community as active and OCD as ours, maybe they should consider playing a more boring game no one gives two-shits about, or doing a job that doesn't need corporate sponsorship to sustain itself. It's not fair that players are scrutinized as much as they are, but then again, no one is forcing Destiny to play SC2 for a living. I'm sure he could get a job at McDonald's and no one would care about his personal affairs. I wouldn't say captive and engaging audience as much as I'd say we have an unfortunate fraction of our audience who figured out that e-mailing sponsors is a good way to bring their drama fueled, self-entitled judgment down upon a player they decide they want to be offended by. I doubt there are even fraction of e-mails representing his actual fans expressing their satisfaction with the sponsor. The NASL comparison isn't even relevant. NORMAL people would post about Destiny or NASL and voice their discontent/dissatisfaction with the event/player. They might never even watch that event or support that player. That's fine and fair, and completely true to your post. It's the other fans, however, that decide they don't like it so nobody can have it and try to sabotage it. I don't think disappointed SC2 fans went out of their way to see NASL come burning down. With these witch hunts it's not even about being upset at sponsors. They KNOW sponsors will cave and they just do it whenever they get offended now, and what offends them seems to broaden every few months. And besides, the NASL comparison is even moreso irrelevant because it's not like people were ripping it because something in Incontrol's personal life surfaced. I mean, you're comparing an object created to serve SC2 with a human being. This is also a very good post. Good to see some 'good posts' knocking about here. It's actually applicable though, here. The reason sponsors drop players is because the negative, complaining emails greatly outweigh the positive. In addition this community would be a better place if people who took the time out to actually write reasonable posts got a bit of positive feedback for once. SC2 esports is still a cottage industry. Positive feedback goes a long way. And negative feedback scares the bejeebus out of people.
That and as Incontrol has been arguing on reddit, people need to start emailing teams and managers before sponsors. And email players as well (except in the case of Destiny where apparently, he`ll just mock it on air.) In general, dealing with our trash at a lower level would be better. But Destiny`s a bit of an exception as he`s notoriously stubborn.
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But if a player insists on living on the edge of acceptabiilty, don`t be too surpised if people start airing your dirty laundry in front of people you`d much rather not.
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the fact that this thread has 121 pages is almost as sad as the incident itself
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On August 31 2012 09:19 CaptainCrush wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 09:11 Luepert wrote:On August 31 2012 09:01 CaptainCrush wrote:On August 31 2012 08:58 Kenpark wrote:Lol nice troll man. I dont think its trolling, if any normal person had posted half the shit that Destiny has then they would be banned. Furthermore, he was a dick to a woman who knew how to return fire, he deserved everything he got. Root gave him a second chance, he fucked that up too, he will be lucky to be anything but a oil changer from now on. What exactly did Destiny post? Ur kidding me right? He was in the TL news not even 2 months ago for calling someone a n***er on his stream whill plaing. thats why he was kicked off of quantic. Are you that dense? This guy is a grade_A moron, he even fucked up his second chance.
He called him a gook, not a nigger. And that's not a post, that's BMing during a game.
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