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On August 31 2012 14:01 KillingVector wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 13:33 ROOTFayth wrote:
I didn't publicly humiliate her, all I said was the pic I was shown was a lot worse than what TT1 had posted in here, that's all I said, calm down please
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364387¤tpage=57#1139Show nested quote +
the picture I've seen of bluetea first is different from the one tt1 posted, the face pic was absolutely 10x worse that this, I genuinely thought it was a man at first, I wasn't even trying to be a douche or anything, there were 2 girls on the pic (left one being bluetea looking like a man, and the right one I don't know but she was cute)
Okay, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that in this post it sounds like you are trying to say that she isn't ugly, and that you were just shown a bad picture. Unfortunately, your wording is terrible. You are saying she is not good looking instead of fugly. If saying she isn't ugly is your true purpose, then you should retract your words and say what you actually meant to say. The problem becomes that in this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364387¤tpage=70#1386Show nested quote +
I just reiterated what was already public..... I mean yeah just because this has been made public didn't change my opinion on her looks, I'm sorry, and I also told her that when we discussed on skype while she was on steven's account
it sounds like your original opinion hasn't changed at all. Then you continue in this vein while trying to defend your right to your opinion http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364387¤tpage=74#1461http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364387¤tpage=76#1511Then here it seems you may be trying again http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364387¤tpage=77#1528Show nested quote +
I said it was a different picture, learn to read for god sake, I said the other picture was 10 times worse and she looked like a man on that other picture, I actually think she didn't look that bad on this pic, like not pretty but nowhere near as terrible as my reaction on the chat logs
if not for the phrase "like not pretty." If you had left out the "like not pretty but" it is some decent CYA language. So, overall you have cast her image in a negative light on a public forum. How does this not count as public humiliation? If you don't intend to humiliate her, then apologize for your wording and write out clearly what you actually meant.
So hes wrong because he is sticking to what he thinks? Opinions are like noses everyone has one. Get over it.
Edit: I think shes not attractive either, who cares.
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Dedicace From France  , Paris dont represent French people understand this and stop your bad prejudice. So much rage from you , i am happy you leave this so good team, continue to be racist but its finish to soil ROOT . Thank you to the sponsor <3
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On August 31 2012 14:11 ElGuamos wrote:Dedicace From France , Paris dont represent French people understand this and stop your bad prejudice. So much rage from you , i am happy you leave this so good team, continue to be racist but its finish to soil ROOT . Thank you to the sponsor <3
gooby plz
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On August 31 2012 14:03 kmillz wrote:
Just remember guys, private conversations on the internet can be hacked, shown to the world, and be used against you in the court of eSports.
you can replace the bold part with anything. Talking badly about your boss behind his back will most likely get you fired if he ever learns of it
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I'll give a disclaimer that I dont think esports justice flag bearers need to carry on this thread anymore, but I will say that it's very strange that Fayth doesn't know better than to come in this thread and do what he's doing. Saying she looks like a man in this thread is NOT an innocuous statement, and to call it that is intellectually dishonest, because you're smarter than that. There's no reason to "reiterate" his negative opinion of her because we can already see what he said in the chat log. It's just completely unnecessary and horrible PR, especially given that he's trying to justify his statements in the chat log by saying he was shown a picture of an ugly person. A giant LOL @ anyone in this thread who thinks that Fayth saying she looks like a man in this thread even though no one asked him isn't deliberately insulting. Don't be dishonest.
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On August 31 2012 14:10 Sylverin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 14:01 KillingVector wrote:On August 31 2012 13:33 ROOTFayth wrote:
I didn't publicly humiliate her, all I said was the pic I was shown was a lot worse than what TT1 had posted in here, that's all I said, calm down please
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364387¤tpage=57#1139
the picture I've seen of bluetea first is different from the one tt1 posted, the face pic was absolutely 10x worse that this, I genuinely thought it was a man at first, I wasn't even trying to be a douche or anything, there were 2 girls on the pic (left one being bluetea looking like a man, and the right one I don't know but she was cute)
Okay, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that in this post it sounds like you are trying to say that she isn't ugly, and that you were just shown a bad picture. Unfortunately, your wording is terrible. You are saying she is not good looking instead of fugly. If saying she isn't ugly is your true purpose, then you should retract your words and say what you actually meant to say. The problem becomes that in this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364387¤tpage=70#1386
I just reiterated what was already public..... I mean yeah just because this has been made public didn't change my opinion on her looks, I'm sorry, and I also told her that when we discussed on skype while she was on steven's account
it sounds like your original opinion hasn't changed at all. Then you continue in this vein while trying to defend your right to your opinion http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364387¤tpage=74#1461http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364387¤tpage=76#1511Then here it seems you may be trying again http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364387¤tpage=77#1528
I said it was a different picture, learn to read for god sake, I said the other picture was 10 times worse and she looked like a man on that other picture, I actually think she didn't look that bad on this pic, like not pretty but nowhere near as terrible as my reaction on the chat logs
if not for the phrase "like not pretty." If you had left out the "like not pretty but" it is some decent CYA language. So, overall you have cast her image in a negative light on a public forum. How does this not count as public humiliation? If you don't intend to humiliate her, then apologize for your wording and write out clearly what you actually meant. So hes wrong because he is sticking to what he thinks? Opinions are like noses everyone has one. Get over it. Edit: I think shes not attractive either, who cares.
some opinions should not be voiced if its intent was to purely humiliate someone, and seriously you really should not attack someone base on their looks or features. Common sense
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I can't understand how people can equate what destiny did to what she did. Destiny didn't violate any law, he simply passed a picture around. She broke the law. I am no lawyer but I hope destiny takes it as far as it needs to go to make her realize that breaking the law is wrong. Calling someone names, logos insulting someone's looks, these are things that are socially unacceptable. Posting personal pictures that destiny didn't give her is going over the line though. Accessing his email and twitter with the sole purpose of hurting him is even worse. Nail her to the wall destiny.
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On August 31 2012 14:40 redviper wrote:
I can't understand how people can equate what destiny did to what she did. Destiny didn't violate any law, he simply passed a picture around. She broke the law. I am no lawyer but I hope destiny takes it as far as it needs to go to make her realize that breaking the law is wrong. Calling someone names, logos insulting someone's looks, these are things that are socially unacceptable. Posting personal pictures that destiny didn't give her is going over the line though. Accessing his email and twitter with the sole purpose of hurting him is even worse. Nail her to the wall destiny.
are you suggesting that passing nude pictures of someone without their consent is socially accepted? Sure, it may not be illegal (not legal either, its a gray area), but it is not an socially accepted act.
imo passing nude pic of someone is a serious breach on invasion of privacy.
This is a case more on laws lagging behind the technology, hence the gray area.
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So, overall you have cast her image in a negative light on a public forum. How does this not count as public humiliation? If you don't intend to humiliate her, then apologize for your wording and write out clearly what you actually meant.
Imagine this scenario:
You, myself, and Friend A are chilling together, watching a football game. We're all in high school. I call one of the girls in one of our classes ugly. We all laugh. Somehow, the girl finds out (whether she had a hidden microphone in the room, or one of us who have no idea who she is actually told her, it doesn't matter). The next day, she locks herself in the principal's office and announces on the PA system that the three of us were being mean and play the conversation. When people ask me if this is true, I confirm. I also add that she looked super ugly at the party last week, but wasn't as bad in class yesterday.
End scenario.
I don't think I humiliated her, I think that she humiliated herself. It's not mean that I called her ugly, I was just being truthful to my friend who wanted my advice. Still, she should never find out unless she's psychotic or one of us three very close friends went far out of their way to hunt for her e-mail address. I don't feel like I should apologize that she found out what I think of her attractiveness, especially if she found out but eavesdropping on a conversation she shouldn't have been.
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On August 31 2012 14:40 redviper wrote:
I can't understand how people can equate what destiny did to what she did. Destiny didn't violate any law, he simply passed a picture around. She broke the law. I am no lawyer but I hope destiny takes it as far as it needs to go to make her realize that breaking the law is wrong. Calling someone names, logos insulting someone's looks, these are things that are socially unacceptable. Posting personal pictures that destiny didn't give her is going over the line though. Accessing his email and twitter with the sole purpose of hurting him is even worse. Nail her to the wall destiny.
nobody's equating much of anything except the hopeless pedants, both destiny and bluetea fucked each other over quite nicely. it's nice to hear two of the most popular misconceptions in the thread again, though:
- destiny should sue! no, the legality is nebulous at best and if you really, truly want him to rebound from this and have even the slightest chance of seeing a team roster with his name on it again, this stupid sideshow has to end here without him pursuing it any further.
- since bluetea gave her photos away, she signed away her right to be mad! well, no, there's a underwritten and assumed level of trust involved in such an act and anyone who's followed destiny for very long knows he interacted with bluetea on something approaching a friendly level, so even ignoring the massive sexism evident in the DAT SLUT AND HER SLUTTIN WAYS argument, she should have been something other than an object to him, a person with real emotions that deserved better than to be subjected to the ROOTcirclejerk. I also enjoy the idea that while bluetea had intent to harm destiny, destiny's seeming disregard for her in the first place is trumpeted as some sort of moral high ground; no, just because supreme intent to defame her isn't in evidence doesn't make him any less of a dipshit for going through with the photo spreading anyway. this is also why people read misogyny from the entire situation, because once you've eliminated that intent what reason are you left with for why he went through with it? dipshit or somewhat misogynistic dipshit, take your pick.
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Having somebody doing something mean to you doesn't give you a license to illegal and malicious acts. It's morally wrong for BlueTea to get away with the illegal acts she did. It would set up a horribly wrong precedent. She should in jail, of fined, or something else, but something.
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On August 31 2012 14:52 Edahspmal wrote:Show nested quote +So, overall you have cast her image in a negative light on a public forum. How does this not count as public humiliation? If you don't intend to humiliate her, then apologize for your wording and write out clearly what you actually meant. Imagine this scenario: You, myself, and Friend A are chilling together, watching a football game. We're all in high school. I call one of the girls in one of our classes ugly. We all laugh. Somehow, the girl finds out (whether she had a hidden microphone in the room, or one of us who have no idea who she is actually told her, it doesn't matter). The next day, she locks herself in the principal's office and announces on the PA system that the three of us were being mean and play the conversation. When people ask me if this is true, I confirm. I also add that she looked super ugly at the party last week, but wasn't as bad in class yesterday. End scenario. I don't think I humiliated her, I think that she humiliated herself. It's not mean that I called her ugly, I was just being truthful to my friend who wanted my advice. Still, she should never find out unless she's psychotic or one of us three very close friends went far out of their way to hunt for her e-mail address. I don't feel like I should apologize that she found out what I think of her attractiveness, especially if she found out but eavesdropping on a conversation she shouldn't have been.
Exactly.
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he can actually sue her without it being turbo public knowledge.....
she knew what she was doing, I tried talking to her while she was doing it, not much could be done
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On August 31 2012 15:11 ROOTFayth wrote:
he can actually sue her without it being turbo public knowledge.....
she knew what she was doing, I tried talking to her while she was doing it, not much could be done
probably not by you, anyway
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The question is, did Destiny learn a lesson or does he now feel especially free to do what he wants without caring about the consequences?
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While its too bad Destiny isn't carrying the Root tab, its not like this affects his pay much, nor does it affect his ability to go to Poland, or practice/chat with current Root members. He'll still practice with them
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On August 31 2012 14:43 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 14:40 redviper wrote:
I can't understand how people can equate what destiny did to what she did. Destiny didn't violate any law, he simply passed a picture around. She broke the law. I am no lawyer but I hope destiny takes it as far as it needs to go to make her realize that breaking the law is wrong. Calling someone names, logos insulting someone's looks, these are things that are socially unacceptable. Posting personal pictures that destiny didn't give her is going over the line though. Accessing his email and twitter with the sole purpose of hurting him is even worse. Nail her to the wall destiny. are you suggesting that passing nude pictures of someone without their consent is socially accepted? Sure, it may not be illegal (not legal either, its a gray area), but it is not an socially accepted act. imo passing nude pic of someone is a serious breach on invasion of privacy. This is a case more on laws lagging behind the technology, hence the gray area.
Not all. I think what destiny did is socially unacceptable. But passing on nude pics that she sent destiny to some of Destiny's, friends isn't even on the same planet as posting Destiny's private images to the public. Not to mention accessing his accounts without permission. She crossed the line of decency wayyy more than what destiny did.
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On August 31 2012 14:52 TheExile19 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 14:40 redviper wrote:
I can't understand how people can equate what destiny did to what she did. Destiny didn't violate any law, he simply passed a picture around. She broke the law. I am no lawyer but I hope destiny takes it as far as it needs to go to make her realize that breaking the law is wrong. Calling someone names, logos insulting someone's looks, these are things that are socially unacceptable. Posting personal pictures that destiny didn't give her is going over the line though. Accessing his email and twitter with the sole purpose of hurting him is even worse. Nail her to the wall destiny. nobody's equating much of anything except the hopeless pedants, both destiny and bluetea fucked each other over quite nicely. it's nice to hear two of the most popular misconceptions in the thread again, though: - destiny should sue! no, the legality is nebulous at best and if you really, truly want him to rebound from this and have even the slightest chance of seeing a team roster with his name on it again, this stupid sideshow has to end here without him pursuing it any further. - since bluetea gave her photos away, she signed away her right to be mad! well, no, there's a underwritten and assumed level of trust involved in such an act and anyone who's followed destiny for very long knows he interacted with bluetea on something approaching a friendly level, so even ignoring the massive sexism evident in the DAT SLUT AND HER SLUTTIN WAYS argument, she should have been something other than an object to him, a person with real emotions that deserved better than to be subjected to the ROOTcirclejerk. I also enjoy the idea that while bluetea had intent to harm destiny, destiny's seeming disregard for her in the first place is trumpeted as some sort of moral high ground; no, just because supreme intent to defame her isn't in evidence doesn't make him any less of a dipshit for going through with the photo spreading anyway. this is also why people read misogyny from the entire situation, because once you've eliminated that intent what reason are you left with for why he went through with it? dipshit or somewhat misogynistic dipshit, take your pick.
Not she doesn't relinquish her right to the photos but destiny didn't post those pictures to the public. He posted them to his friends..
And the legality is not nebulous at all. At best she is responsible libel since she admitted the malicious intent. At worst she is committing computer fraud. I
Blue tea so far hasn't been fucked at all by this incident, destiny on the other hand has been. It would be just and awesome if she ends up losing her financial aid because of this. Then they would have both fucked each other over.
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On August 31 2012 15:43 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 14:52 TheExile19 wrote:On August 31 2012 14:40 redviper wrote:
I can't understand how people can equate what destiny did to what she did. Destiny didn't violate any law, he simply passed a picture around. She broke the law. I am no lawyer but I hope destiny takes it as far as it needs to go to make her realize that breaking the law is wrong. Calling someone names, logos insulting someone's looks, these are things that are socially unacceptable. Posting personal pictures that destiny didn't give her is going over the line though. Accessing his email and twitter with the sole purpose of hurting him is even worse. Nail her to the wall destiny. nobody's equating much of anything except the hopeless pedants, both destiny and bluetea fucked each other over quite nicely. it's nice to hear two of the most popular misconceptions in the thread again, though: - destiny should sue! no, the legality is nebulous at best and if you really, truly want him to rebound from this and have even the slightest chance of seeing a team roster with his name on it again, this stupid sideshow has to end here without him pursuing it any further. - since bluetea gave her photos away, she signed away her right to be mad! well, no, there's a underwritten and assumed level of trust involved in such an act and anyone who's followed destiny for very long knows he interacted with bluetea on something approaching a friendly level, so even ignoring the massive sexism evident in the DAT SLUT AND HER SLUTTIN WAYS argument, she should have been something other than an object to him, a person with real emotions that deserved better than to be subjected to the ROOTcirclejerk. I also enjoy the idea that while bluetea had intent to harm destiny, destiny's seeming disregard for her in the first place is trumpeted as some sort of moral high ground; no, just because supreme intent to defame her isn't in evidence doesn't make him any less of a dipshit for going through with the photo spreading anyway. this is also why people read misogyny from the entire situation, because once you've eliminated that intent what reason are you left with for why he went through with it? dipshit or somewhat misogynistic dipshit, take your pick. Not she doesn't relinquish her right to the photos but destiny didn't post those pictures to the public. He posted them to his friends.. And the legality is not nebulous at all. At best she is responsible libel since she admitted the malicious intent. At worst she is committing computer fraud. I Blue tea so far hasn't been fucked at all by this incident, destiny on the other hand has been. It would be just and awesome if she ends up losing her financial aid because of this. Then they would have both fucked each other over.
Nothing posted by her was false... so ... Libel? But you are not a lawyer
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everyone is focusing on Destiny and the "ugly" girl. the real villain in this story is the as-s-ho-le that leaked the conversation to her. fkn betrayer. that is the one that destiny should go and punch in the face for being such a p-uss-y traitor.
I trash talk the whole time about girls. Girls do the same about guys. this scaled way out of proportion.
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