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On August 27 2012 12:19 TommyP wrote:
Lol if you think the schedule is a legit reason. ESF players play GSL, GSTL, now OSL, and also they fly around the whole damn world constantly for foreign events, which Kespa players do not. Kespa players just have to do proleague, OSL and then they would add GSL, still a far less demanding schedule than the esf players. Also they looked more than ready during WCS.
ESF players playing in the GSL, GSTL, & OSL are only playing one game and have been doing so for 2 years. Kespa players are playing two games (SC2 for almost 4 months) and have not committed full time to SC2. Just because they may have "seemed" ready (to you) at WCS does not mean that they "were/are" ready.
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On August 27 2012 12:19 TommyP wrote:
Lol if you think the schedule is a legit reason. ESF players play GSL, GSTL, now OSL, and also they fly around the whole damn world constantly for foreign events, which Kespa players do not. Kespa players just have to do proleague, OSL and then they would add GSL, still a far less demanding schedule than the esf players. Also they looked more than ready during WCS.
Not to mention they clearly came up with their schedule after their cooperation agreement where it obvious what GOM expected was KESPA participation in GOM. It's not like they were caught off gaurd by GOMs invitation, they just chose to ignore it.
GOM has consistenly provided great content, been responsive to the foreigner market and has proven they are committed to Starcraft 2. The community might not have much(if any) weight in this confrontation but I feel GOM is the better choice for us.
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On August 27 2012 12:03 Scarecrow wrote:
Best chance for an ESF player to win an OSL and they're just resorting to blackmail. Sad to see. Kespa had legit reasons for delaying one season (preparation time; schedule; still in partial switch from BW plus it has little effect on GSL having the elephants absent from Code B/A/S for 1 more season) whereas ESF is screwing over Kespa basically out of spite. If anything not having Kespa players in GSL gives the ESF players more chance of prizemoney/success for at least another season.
KeSPA didn't hold up their end of the deal, and they've proven to be a horrible organisation in the past, ESF are doing the smart thing by fighting fire with fire.
All fault lies with KeSPA on this one; not allowing ANY of their players to even attempt to qualify for GSL raises a red flag, especially after what happened to GOM Classic in BW. Now KeSPA gets a taste of their own medicine.
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On August 27 2012 12:03 Scarecrow wrote:
Best chance for an ESF player to win an OSL and they're just resorting to blackmail. Sad to see. Kespa had legit reasons for delaying one season (preparation time; schedule; still in partial switch from BW plus it has little effect on GSL having the elephants absent from Code B/A/S for 1 more season) whereas ESF is screwing over Kespa basically out of spite. If anything not having Kespa players in GSL gives the ESF players more chance of prizemoney/success for at least another season.
It is not only one season, so far KESPA has only committed to the next GSL season (GSL 5) but nothing beyond that. ESF wants them to commit to appearing in each GSL from now on. I believe that ESF would accept them skipping GSL4 so longas they compete in all the GSL's from then onwards
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On August 27 2012 12:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 12:19 TommyP wrote:
Lol if you think the schedule is a legit reason. ESF players play GSL, GSTL, now OSL, and also they fly around the whole damn world constantly for foreign events, which Kespa players do not. Kespa players just have to do proleague, OSL and then they would add GSL, still a far less demanding schedule than the esf players. Also they looked more than ready during WCS. ESF players playing in the GSL, GSTL, & OSL are only playing one game and have been doing so for 2 years. Kespa players are playing two games (SC2 for almost 4 months) and have not committed full time to SC2. Just because they may have "seemed" ready (to you) at WCS does not mean that they "were/are" ready.
Kespa players dont play Brood War anymore, like they literally do not practice it. It used to be about 60/30 but now its about 100/0 practice wise lol.
Also roro was the highest placing Zerg in a field that included DRG and Leenock.
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On August 27 2012 12:03 Scarecrow wrote:
Best chance for an ESF player to win an OSL and they're just resorting to blackmail. Sad to see. Kespa had legit reasons for delaying one season (preparation time; schedule; still in partial switch from BW plus it has little effect on GSL having the elephants absent from Code B/A/S for 1 more season) whereas ESF is screwing over Kespa basically out of spite. If anything not having Kespa players in GSL gives the ESF players more chance of prizemoney/success for at least another season.
Why Kespa should decide for the players? Why not just let players choose if they want to enter in the GSL? Kespa players have expressed their desires to qualify for the GSL(like Roro), why not let them?
Edit: sorry i misread you
Edit2 : nvm, i didn't misread you, i'm tired Q.Q lol, so i'll repeat what i said before my first edit:
You seems to be contradicting yourself, you're saying that ESF players have great chances to win an OSL because you're implying that Kespa players are not up to par yet. But in your last sentence, you say by not having Kespa players in the GSL, it gives ESF players more chances to win, implying that Kespa players are up to par or better than ESF players. Seems like bias to me, sorry if i misunderstood.
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On August 27 2012 12:40 Moka wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 12:03 Scarecrow wrote:
Best chance for an ESF player to win an OSL and they're just resorting to blackmail. Sad to see. Kespa had legit reasons for delaying one season (preparation time; schedule; still in partial switch from BW plus it has little effect on GSL having the elephants absent from Code B/A/S for 1 more season) whereas ESF is screwing over Kespa basically out of spite. If anything not having Kespa players in GSL gives the ESF players more chance of prizemoney/success for at least another season. I'm not sure but you seem to contradict yourself a little bit. You're basically saying that an ESF have lots of chance to win prize money in OSL and implying that Kespa players aren't up to par with them yet, but your last sentence, you're like saying, ''Oh well, ESF players are lucky that there's not any Kespa player for the next season yet'', thus implying that Kespa players are up to par or better, lol. I might be not understanding, but it seems like bias to me. And, why Kespa should decide for the players? Why not just let players choose if they want to enter in the GSL? Kespa players have expressed their desires to qualify for the GSL(like Roro), why not let them?
I always thought this was because the Kespa players are under a Contract.
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On August 27 2012 11:34 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 11:27 canikizu wrote:On August 27 2012 10:52 iamho wrote:
KeSPA has little to lose here. Keep in mind most people who watch OSL aren't gamers watching from the Internet, they're fangirls and casual viewers who tune in on TV during dinner or whatever. They won't suddenly stop watching just because some guys they never heard of (the ESF players) aren't going to be playing. KeSPA will make revenue from TV ads and sponsors, same as always. The only people they are losing are Western SC2 fans, which I imagine are a much less valuable demographic since they only watch on online streams, and the OSL doesn't charge money for streams. Yes, theorically. But remember, OSL and TV are also free advertisement for ESF. Sure, people can only watch Kespa's stuff on TV right now, but because there're 2 competitive parties, sooner or later, if SC2 does well on TV, one random TV station will pick up ESF and GomTV leagues to pull viewers. That is not exactly true. If that were the case, Brood War in it's prime would have been featured on more television stations. Brood War was featured on two stations: MBC and OGN. MBC is now a music station and does not feature games anymore whereas OGN has agreements with Kespa. So, GOM actually being able to broadcast on television is very unlikely.
But we did have 2 stations, right? That's the whole point of it. Even if ESF players don't have TV exposure, the fact that there's a rivalry between 2 different party will make casual audience aware of the existence of the other one. So it's basically free advertisement for ESF. Eventually if the demand allows it and the price is right, it will happen.
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On August 27 2012 12:40 Moka wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 12:03 Scarecrow wrote:
Best chance for an ESF player to win an OSL and they're just resorting to blackmail. Sad to see. Kespa had legit reasons for delaying one season (preparation time; schedule; still in partial switch from BW plus it has little effect on GSL having the elephants absent from Code B/A/S for 1 more season) whereas ESF is screwing over Kespa basically out of spite. If anything not having Kespa players in GSL gives the ESF players more chance of prizemoney/success for at least another season. Why Kespa should decide for the players? Why not just let players choose if they want to enter in the GSL? Kespa players have expressed their desires to qualify for the GSL(like Roro), why not let them? Edit: sorry i misread you
I totaly agree with the point that player should have to decide to join or not, not the Kespa
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On August 27 2012 12:43 seansye wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 12:40 Moka wrote:On August 27 2012 12:03 Scarecrow wrote:
Best chance for an ESF player to win an OSL and they're just resorting to blackmail. Sad to see. Kespa had legit reasons for delaying one season (preparation time; schedule; still in partial switch from BW plus it has little effect on GSL having the elephants absent from Code B/A/S for 1 more season) whereas ESF is screwing over Kespa basically out of spite. If anything not having Kespa players in GSL gives the ESF players more chance of prizemoney/success for at least another season. I'm not sure but you seem to contradict yourself a little bit. You're basically saying that an ESF have lots of chance to win prize money in OSL and implying that Kespa players aren't up to par with them yet, but your last sentence, you're like saying, ''Oh well, ESF players are lucky that there's not any Kespa player for the next season yet'', thus implying that Kespa players are up to par or better, lol. I might be not understanding, but it seems like bias to me. And, why Kespa should decide for the players? Why not just let players choose if they want to enter in the GSL? Kespa players have expressed their desires to qualify for the GSL(like Roro), why not let them? I always thought this was because the Kespa players are under a Contract.
Oh, that is true, but anyway, I don't think Kespa players opinions are respected
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On August 27 2012 12:44 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 11:34 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 27 2012 11:27 canikizu wrote:On August 27 2012 10:52 iamho wrote:
KeSPA has little to lose here. Keep in mind most people who watch OSL aren't gamers watching from the Internet, they're fangirls and casual viewers who tune in on TV during dinner or whatever. They won't suddenly stop watching just because some guys they never heard of (the ESF players) aren't going to be playing. KeSPA will make revenue from TV ads and sponsors, same as always. The only people they are losing are Western SC2 fans, which I imagine are a much less valuable demographic since they only watch on online streams, and the OSL doesn't charge money for streams. Yes, theorically. But remember, OSL and TV are also free advertisement for ESF. Sure, people can only watch Kespa's stuff on TV right now, but because there're 2 competitive parties, sooner or later, if SC2 does well on TV, one random TV station will pick up ESF and GomTV leagues to pull viewers. That is not exactly true. If that were the case, Brood War in it's prime would have been featured on more television stations. Brood War was featured on two stations: MBC and OGN. MBC is now a music station and does not feature games anymore whereas OGN has agreements with Kespa. So, GOM actually being able to broadcast on television is very unlikely. But we did have 2 stations, right? That's the whole point of it. Even if ESF players don't have TV exposure, the fact that there's a rivalry between 2 different party will make casual audience aware of the existence of the other one. So it's basically free advertisement for ESF. Eventually if the demand allows it and the price is right, it will happen.
Actually, no. The casual audience will only want to see their Kespa players. So, if it is ESF vs ESF it is unlikely that they will be watching. They want to see the best and the best were the current players of Brood War. During the WCS, the Brood War players have already demonstrated that after 3 1/2 months while simutaniously and concurrently playing two games they are already on par with GOM/ESF players. Which means later down the line they will surpass them, thus Kespa being the best pros and that is where the interest lies. Much like the foreign fans preferring to watch two Koreans rather than two foreigners (I apologize if I generalized).
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On August 27 2012 12:43 seansye wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 12:40 Moka wrote:On August 27 2012 12:03 Scarecrow wrote:
Best chance for an ESF player to win an OSL and they're just resorting to blackmail. Sad to see. Kespa had legit reasons for delaying one season (preparation time; schedule; still in partial switch from BW plus it has little effect on GSL having the elephants absent from Code B/A/S for 1 more season) whereas ESF is screwing over Kespa basically out of spite. If anything not having Kespa players in GSL gives the ESF players more chance of prizemoney/success for at least another season. I'm not sure but you seem to contradict yourself a little bit. You're basically saying that an ESF have lots of chance to win prize money in OSL and implying that Kespa players aren't up to par with them yet, but your last sentence, you're like saying, ''Oh well, ESF players are lucky that there's not any Kespa player for the next season yet'', thus implying that Kespa players are up to par or better, lol. I might be not understanding, but it seems like bias to me. And, why Kespa should decide for the players? Why not just let players choose if they want to enter in the GSL? Kespa players have expressed their desires to qualify for the GSL(like Roro), why not let them? I always thought this was because the Kespa players are under a Contract.
Does GSL guys have contract? Always feel that GSL teams are too loose. Maybe SC2 should follow pro tennis's route, no team at all.
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On August 27 2012 12:43 seansye wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 12:40 Moka wrote:On August 27 2012 12:03 Scarecrow wrote:
Best chance for an ESF player to win an OSL and they're just resorting to blackmail. Sad to see. Kespa had legit reasons for delaying one season (preparation time; schedule; still in partial switch from BW plus it has little effect on GSL having the elephants absent from Code B/A/S for 1 more season) whereas ESF is screwing over Kespa basically out of spite. If anything not having Kespa players in GSL gives the ESF players more chance of prizemoney/success for at least another season. I'm not sure but you seem to contradict yourself a little bit. You're basically saying that an ESF have lots of chance to win prize money in OSL and implying that Kespa players aren't up to par with them yet, but your last sentence, you're like saying, ''Oh well, ESF players are lucky that there's not any Kespa player for the next season yet'', thus implying that Kespa players are up to par or better, lol. I might be not understanding, but it seems like bias to me. And, why Kespa should decide for the players? Why not just let players choose if they want to enter in the GSL? Kespa players have expressed their desires to qualify for the GSL(like Roro), why not let them? I always thought this was because the Kespa players are under a Contract.
Just because a contract exists doesn't mean that contract is fair to both parties. KESPA has way more power then the players and uses this power to prevent the players from negotiating an equitable agreement. Acts like shutting out other leagues(like GOM) is an example of this as it limits the players ability to find other opportunites.
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On August 27 2012 12:50 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 12:44 canikizu wrote:On August 27 2012 11:34 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 27 2012 11:27 canikizu wrote:On August 27 2012 10:52 iamho wrote:
KeSPA has little to lose here. Keep in mind most people who watch OSL aren't gamers watching from the Internet, they're fangirls and casual viewers who tune in on TV during dinner or whatever. They won't suddenly stop watching just because some guys they never heard of (the ESF players) aren't going to be playing. KeSPA will make revenue from TV ads and sponsors, same as always. The only people they are losing are Western SC2 fans, which I imagine are a much less valuable demographic since they only watch on online streams, and the OSL doesn't charge money for streams. Yes, theorically. But remember, OSL and TV are also free advertisement for ESF. Sure, people can only watch Kespa's stuff on TV right now, but because there're 2 competitive parties, sooner or later, if SC2 does well on TV, one random TV station will pick up ESF and GomTV leagues to pull viewers. That is not exactly true. If that were the case, Brood War in it's prime would have been featured on more television stations. Brood War was featured on two stations: MBC and OGN. MBC is now a music station and does not feature games anymore whereas OGN has agreements with Kespa. So, GOM actually being able to broadcast on television is very unlikely. But we did have 2 stations, right? That's the whole point of it. Even if ESF players don't have TV exposure, the fact that there's a rivalry between 2 different party will make casual audience aware of the existence of the other one. So it's basically free advertisement for ESF. Eventually if the demand allows it and the price is right, it will happen. Actually, no. The casual audience will only want to see their Kespa players. So, if it is ESF vs ESF it is unlikely that they will be watching. They want to see the best and the best were the current players of Brood War. During the WCS, the Brood War players have already demonstrated that after 3 1/2 months while simutaniously and concurrently playing two games they are already on par with GOM/ESF players. Which means later down the line they will surpass them, thus Kespa being the best pros and that is where the interest lies. Much like the foreign fans preferring to watch two Koreans rather than two foreigners (I apologize if I generalized).
I never understood this line of reasoning. It's one thing to catch up to the existing level of play, it's a whole other thing to transcend it and make break thrus etc.
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On August 27 2012 12:53 Geos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 12:43 seansye wrote:On August 27 2012 12:40 Moka wrote:On August 27 2012 12:03 Scarecrow wrote:
Best chance for an ESF player to win an OSL and they're just resorting to blackmail. Sad to see. Kespa had legit reasons for delaying one season (preparation time; schedule; still in partial switch from BW plus it has little effect on GSL having the elephants absent from Code B/A/S for 1 more season) whereas ESF is screwing over Kespa basically out of spite. If anything not having Kespa players in GSL gives the ESF players more chance of prizemoney/success for at least another season. I'm not sure but you seem to contradict yourself a little bit. You're basically saying that an ESF have lots of chance to win prize money in OSL and implying that Kespa players aren't up to par with them yet, but your last sentence, you're like saying, ''Oh well, ESF players are lucky that there's not any Kespa player for the next season yet'', thus implying that Kespa players are up to par or better, lol. I might be not understanding, but it seems like bias to me. And, why Kespa should decide for the players? Why not just let players choose if they want to enter in the GSL? Kespa players have expressed their desires to qualify for the GSL(like Roro), why not let them? I always thought this was because the Kespa players are under a Contract. Just because a contract exists doesn't mean that contract is fair to both parties. KESPA has way more power then the players and uses this power to prevent the players from negotiating an equitable agreement. Acts like shutting out other leagues(like GOM) is an example of this as it limits the players ability to find other opportunites.
Lets take this back a step, ahem! Who created the Korean & StarCraft e-sports scene again? Exactly! Kespa made it a possibility for the players to even have an opportunity to begin with. I suggest that you do not be so closed minded.
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On August 27 2012 12:55 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 12:50 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 27 2012 12:44 canikizu wrote:On August 27 2012 11:34 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 27 2012 11:27 canikizu wrote:On August 27 2012 10:52 iamho wrote:
KeSPA has little to lose here. Keep in mind most people who watch OSL aren't gamers watching from the Internet, they're fangirls and casual viewers who tune in on TV during dinner or whatever. They won't suddenly stop watching just because some guys they never heard of (the ESF players) aren't going to be playing. KeSPA will make revenue from TV ads and sponsors, same as always. The only people they are losing are Western SC2 fans, which I imagine are a much less valuable demographic since they only watch on online streams, and the OSL doesn't charge money for streams. Yes, theorically. But remember, OSL and TV are also free advertisement for ESF. Sure, people can only watch Kespa's stuff on TV right now, but because there're 2 competitive parties, sooner or later, if SC2 does well on TV, one random TV station will pick up ESF and GomTV leagues to pull viewers. That is not exactly true. If that were the case, Brood War in it's prime would have been featured on more television stations. Brood War was featured on two stations: MBC and OGN. MBC is now a music station and does not feature games anymore whereas OGN has agreements with Kespa. So, GOM actually being able to broadcast on television is very unlikely. But we did have 2 stations, right? That's the whole point of it. Even if ESF players don't have TV exposure, the fact that there's a rivalry between 2 different party will make casual audience aware of the existence of the other one. So it's basically free advertisement for ESF. Eventually if the demand allows it and the price is right, it will happen. Actually, no. The casual audience will only want to see their Kespa players. So, if it is ESF vs ESF it is unlikely that they will be watching. They want to see the best and the best were the current players of Brood War. During the WCS, the Brood War players have already demonstrated that after 3 1/2 months while simutaniously and concurrently playing two games they are already on par with GOM/ESF players. Which means later down the line they will surpass them, thus Kespa being the best pros and that is where the interest lies. Much like the foreign fans preferring to watch two Koreans rather than two foreigners (I apologize if I generalized). I never understood this line of reasoning. It's one thing to catch up to the existing level of play, it's a whole other thing to transcend it and make break thrus etc.
Beating the current GSL champ who has played for 2 years to your 3 1/2 months is more of "surpassing" then it is catching up. Also, we know how hard it was to become a Brood War pro and why most of the ESF and current SC2 pros did not make a big splash in the scene. It took a load of skill. We know the potential of Brood War pros which is why people make the comparison.
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On August 27 2012 12:53 Geos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 12:43 seansye wrote:On August 27 2012 12:40 Moka wrote:On August 27 2012 12:03 Scarecrow wrote:
Best chance for an ESF player to win an OSL and they're just resorting to blackmail. Sad to see. Kespa had legit reasons for delaying one season (preparation time; schedule; still in partial switch from BW plus it has little effect on GSL having the elephants absent from Code B/A/S for 1 more season) whereas ESF is screwing over Kespa basically out of spite. If anything not having Kespa players in GSL gives the ESF players more chance of prizemoney/success for at least another season. I'm not sure but you seem to contradict yourself a little bit. You're basically saying that an ESF have lots of chance to win prize money in OSL and implying that Kespa players aren't up to par with them yet, but your last sentence, you're like saying, ''Oh well, ESF players are lucky that there's not any Kespa player for the next season yet'', thus implying that Kespa players are up to par or better, lol. I might be not understanding, but it seems like bias to me. And, why Kespa should decide for the players? Why not just let players choose if they want to enter in the GSL? Kespa players have expressed their desires to qualify for the GSL(like Roro), why not let them? I always thought this was because the Kespa players are under a Contract. Just because a contract exists doesn't mean that contract is fair to both parties. KESPA has way more power then the players and uses this power to prevent the players from negotiating an equitable agreement. Acts like shutting out other leagues(like GOM) is an example of this as it limits the players ability to find other opportunites.
I totally agree. It appears that free agents within Kespa are forbidden to employ agents, thus making them vunerable to unfair contracts. We must not forget that theses players are very young and might be ignorant when it comes to the terms of the contract.
Source : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99641
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On August 27 2012 12:55 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 12:53 Geos13 wrote:On August 27 2012 12:43 seansye wrote:On August 27 2012 12:40 Moka wrote:On August 27 2012 12:03 Scarecrow wrote:
Best chance for an ESF player to win an OSL and they're just resorting to blackmail. Sad to see. Kespa had legit reasons for delaying one season (preparation time; schedule; still in partial switch from BW plus it has little effect on GSL having the elephants absent from Code B/A/S for 1 more season) whereas ESF is screwing over Kespa basically out of spite. If anything not having Kespa players in GSL gives the ESF players more chance of prizemoney/success for at least another season. I'm not sure but you seem to contradict yourself a little bit. You're basically saying that an ESF have lots of chance to win prize money in OSL and implying that Kespa players aren't up to par with them yet, but your last sentence, you're like saying, ''Oh well, ESF players are lucky that there's not any Kespa player for the next season yet'', thus implying that Kespa players are up to par or better, lol. I might be not understanding, but it seems like bias to me. And, why Kespa should decide for the players? Why not just let players choose if they want to enter in the GSL? Kespa players have expressed their desires to qualify for the GSL(like Roro), why not let them? I always thought this was because the Kespa players are under a Contract. Just because a contract exists doesn't mean that contract is fair to both parties. KESPA has way more power then the players and uses this power to prevent the players from negotiating an equitable agreement. Acts like shutting out other leagues(like GOM) is an example of this as it limits the players ability to find other opportunites. Lets take this back a step, ahem! Who created the Korean & StarCraft e-sports scene again? Exactly! Kespa made it a possibility for the players to even have an opportunity to begin with. I suggest that you do not be so closed minded.
Just because you give opportunities for players to be a progamer or you have made up a scene from the ground doesn't give you the rights to treat your players like shit
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On August 27 2012 13:01 Moka wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 12:55 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 27 2012 12:53 Geos13 wrote:On August 27 2012 12:43 seansye wrote:On August 27 2012 12:40 Moka wrote:On August 27 2012 12:03 Scarecrow wrote:
Best chance for an ESF player to win an OSL and they're just resorting to blackmail. Sad to see. Kespa had legit reasons for delaying one season (preparation time; schedule; still in partial switch from BW plus it has little effect on GSL having the elephants absent from Code B/A/S for 1 more season) whereas ESF is screwing over Kespa basically out of spite. If anything not having Kespa players in GSL gives the ESF players more chance of prizemoney/success for at least another season. I'm not sure but you seem to contradict yourself a little bit. You're basically saying that an ESF have lots of chance to win prize money in OSL and implying that Kespa players aren't up to par with them yet, but your last sentence, you're like saying, ''Oh well, ESF players are lucky that there's not any Kespa player for the next season yet'', thus implying that Kespa players are up to par or better, lol. I might be not understanding, but it seems like bias to me. And, why Kespa should decide for the players? Why not just let players choose if they want to enter in the GSL? Kespa players have expressed their desires to qualify for the GSL(like Roro), why not let them? I always thought this was because the Kespa players are under a Contract. Just because a contract exists doesn't mean that contract is fair to both parties. KESPA has way more power then the players and uses this power to prevent the players from negotiating an equitable agreement. Acts like shutting out other leagues(like GOM) is an example of this as it limits the players ability to find other opportunites. Lets take this back a step, ahem! Who created the Korean & StarCraft e-sports scene again? Exactly! Kespa made it a possibility for the players to even have an opportunity to begin with. I suggest that you do not be so closed minded. Just because you give opportunities for players to be a progamer or you have made up a scene from the ground doesn't give you the rights to treat your players like shit
Now that's where you are wrong. Kespa's living condition far exceed the GOM team guys. I thought we discussed it here in the thread.
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On August 27 2012 12:57 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 12:55 S_SienZ wrote:On August 27 2012 12:50 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 27 2012 12:44 canikizu wrote:On August 27 2012 11:34 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 27 2012 11:27 canikizu wrote:On August 27 2012 10:52 iamho wrote:
KeSPA has little to lose here. Keep in mind most people who watch OSL aren't gamers watching from the Internet, they're fangirls and casual viewers who tune in on TV during dinner or whatever. They won't suddenly stop watching just because some guys they never heard of (the ESF players) aren't going to be playing. KeSPA will make revenue from TV ads and sponsors, same as always. The only people they are losing are Western SC2 fans, which I imagine are a much less valuable demographic since they only watch on online streams, and the OSL doesn't charge money for streams. Yes, theorically. But remember, OSL and TV are also free advertisement for ESF. Sure, people can only watch Kespa's stuff on TV right now, but because there're 2 competitive parties, sooner or later, if SC2 does well on TV, one random TV station will pick up ESF and GomTV leagues to pull viewers. That is not exactly true. If that were the case, Brood War in it's prime would have been featured on more television stations. Brood War was featured on two stations: MBC and OGN. MBC is now a music station and does not feature games anymore whereas OGN has agreements with Kespa. So, GOM actually being able to broadcast on television is very unlikely. But we did have 2 stations, right? That's the whole point of it. Even if ESF players don't have TV exposure, the fact that there's a rivalry between 2 different party will make casual audience aware of the existence of the other one. So it's basically free advertisement for ESF. Eventually if the demand allows it and the price is right, it will happen. Actually, no. The casual audience will only want to see their Kespa players. So, if it is ESF vs ESF it is unlikely that they will be watching. They want to see the best and the best were the current players of Brood War. During the WCS, the Brood War players have already demonstrated that after 3 1/2 months while simutaniously and concurrently playing two games they are already on par with GOM/ESF players. Which means later down the line they will surpass them, thus Kespa being the best pros and that is where the interest lies. Much like the foreign fans preferring to watch two Koreans rather than two foreigners (I apologize if I generalized). I never understood this line of reasoning. It's one thing to catch up to the existing level of play, it's a whole other thing to transcend it and make break thrus etc. Beating the current GSL champ who has played for 2 years to your 3 1/2 months is more of "surpassing" then it is catching up. Also, we know how hard it was to become a Brood War pro and why most of the ESF and current SC2 pros did not make a big splash in the scene. It took a load of skill. We know the potential of Brood War pros which is why people make the comparison.
LOL no one cares about that. only you. what we want is all players to play in all leagues.
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