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[Resolved] Kespa, GOM, ESF dispute - Page 74

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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
August 27 2012 01:30 GMT
#1461
You don't have to be a member of the ESF to agree with it's direction.
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iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 01:53:40
August 27 2012 01:52 GMT
#1462
KeSPA has little to lose here. Keep in mind most people who watch OSL aren't gamers watching from the Internet, they're fangirls and casual viewers who tune in on TV during dinner or whatever. They won't suddenly stop watching just because some guys they never heard of (the ESF players) aren't going to be playing. KeSPA will make revenue from TV ads and sponsors, same as always. The only people they are losing are Western SC2 fans, which I imagine are a much less valuable demographic since they only watch on online streams, and the OSL doesn't charge money for streams.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
August 27 2012 01:58 GMT
#1463
On August 27 2012 10:52 iamho wrote:
KeSPA has little to lose here. Keep in mind most people who watch OSL aren't gamers watching from the Internet, they're fangirls and casual viewers who tune in on TV during dinner or whatever. They won't suddenly stop watching just because some guys they never heard of (the ESF players) aren't going to be playing. KeSPA will make revenue from TV ads and sponsors, same as always. The only people they are losing are Western SC2 fans, which I imagine are a much less valuable demographic since they only watch on online streams, and the OSL doesn't charge money for streams.


KeSPA would lose all their money they spent on doing photo shoots with the ESF players. They would also lose the money they spent producing the intro video. They would also have eight spots to fill and have to either push back their first SC2 OSL, which will look bad for the sponsor Auction, or they will have to arbitrarily give out eight spots to possibly the eight best performers in Proleague this season.

The group selection was a smashing success. Big crowd. People were into the ESF vs. KeSPA banter and upcoming games. Out of all the players in attendance, Parting probably was the biggest star of the night and hyped up with his upcoming game against Baby.

And people saying that OSL won't charge might be wrong. They make the LoL audience pay for VOD's and higher quality streaming. Why wouldn't they do the same for the SC2 audience?
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ChoDing
Profile Joined November 2009
United States740 Posts
August 27 2012 02:07 GMT
#1464
Janbi vs DRG is tomorrow i believe...so no games? -_____-
Should have kept Brood War...
관광 since 2008. Master of Cheese. God of Heartbreak Ridge.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 27 2012 02:18 GMT
#1465
On August 27 2012 10:58 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 10:52 iamho wrote:
KeSPA has little to lose here. Keep in mind most people who watch OSL aren't gamers watching from the Internet, they're fangirls and casual viewers who tune in on TV during dinner or whatever. They won't suddenly stop watching just because some guys they never heard of (the ESF players) aren't going to be playing. KeSPA will make revenue from TV ads and sponsors, same as always. The only people they are losing are Western SC2 fans, which I imagine are a much less valuable demographic since they only watch on online streams, and the OSL doesn't charge money for streams.


KeSPA would lose all their money they spent on doing photo shoots with the ESF players. They would also lose the money they spent producing the intro video. They would also have eight spots to fill and have to either push back their first SC2 OSL, which will look bad for the sponsor Auction, or they will have to arbitrarily give out eight spots to possibly the eight best performers in Proleague this season.

The group selection was a smashing success. Big crowd. People were into the ESF vs. KeSPA banter and upcoming games. Out of all the players in attendance, Parting probably was the biggest star of the night and hyped up with his upcoming game against Baby.

And people saying that OSL won't charge might be wrong. They make the LoL audience pay for VOD's and higher quality streaming. Why wouldn't they do the same for the SC2 audience?



They will definitely start charging. They see everyone else doing it.
Neo7
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States922 Posts
August 27 2012 02:23 GMT
#1466
KeSPA really playing hardball here. Haven't they learned from their last lesson on how they caused Gom Intel Classic to run into the ground because of shit like this?
It takes an idiot to do cool things.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
August 27 2012 02:27 GMT
#1467
On August 27 2012 10:52 iamho wrote:
KeSPA has little to lose here. Keep in mind most people who watch OSL aren't gamers watching from the Internet, they're fangirls and casual viewers who tune in on TV during dinner or whatever. They won't suddenly stop watching just because some guys they never heard of (the ESF players) aren't going to be playing. KeSPA will make revenue from TV ads and sponsors, same as always. The only people they are losing are Western SC2 fans, which I imagine are a much less valuable demographic since they only watch on online streams, and the OSL doesn't charge money for streams.

Yes, theorically.
But remember, OSL and TV are also free advertisement for ESF. Sure, people can only watch Kespa's stuff on TV right now, but because there're 2 competitive parties, sooner or later, if SC2 does well on TV, one random TV station will pick up ESF and GomTV leagues to pull viewers.
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
August 27 2012 02:29 GMT
#1468
On August 27 2012 11:07 ChoDing wrote:
Janbi vs DRG is tomorrow i believe...so no games? -_____-
Should have kept Brood War...

Its tuesday.
#TheOneTrueDong
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
August 27 2012 02:33 GMT
#1469
lol.....The amount of BS that we bw fans have to endure from Kespa. Kespa should swallow their pride and ego for the good for the players and the scene.
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
August 27 2012 02:34 GMT
#1470
On August 27 2012 11:27 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 10:52 iamho wrote:
KeSPA has little to lose here. Keep in mind most people who watch OSL aren't gamers watching from the Internet, they're fangirls and casual viewers who tune in on TV during dinner or whatever. They won't suddenly stop watching just because some guys they never heard of (the ESF players) aren't going to be playing. KeSPA will make revenue from TV ads and sponsors, same as always. The only people they are losing are Western SC2 fans, which I imagine are a much less valuable demographic since they only watch on online streams, and the OSL doesn't charge money for streams.

Yes, theorically.
But remember, OSL and TV are also free advertisement for ESF. Sure, people can only watch Kespa's stuff on TV right now, but because there're 2 competitive parties, sooner or later, if SC2 does well on TV, one random TV station will pick up ESF and GomTV leagues to pull viewers.


That is not exactly true. If that were the case, Brood War in it's prime would have been featured on more television stations. Brood War was featured on two stations: MBC and OGN. MBC is now a music station and does not feature games anymore whereas OGN has agreements with Kespa. So, GOM actually being able to broadcast on television is very unlikely.
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
August 27 2012 02:34 GMT
#1471
Still no announcement of cancelling games in OSL? This is weird.
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 02:36:33
August 27 2012 02:36 GMT
#1472
On August 27 2012 11:34 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 11:27 canikizu wrote:
On August 27 2012 10:52 iamho wrote:
KeSPA has little to lose here. Keep in mind most people who watch OSL aren't gamers watching from the Internet, they're fangirls and casual viewers who tune in on TV during dinner or whatever. They won't suddenly stop watching just because some guys they never heard of (the ESF players) aren't going to be playing. KeSPA will make revenue from TV ads and sponsors, same as always. The only people they are losing are Western SC2 fans, which I imagine are a much less valuable demographic since they only watch on online streams, and the OSL doesn't charge money for streams.

Yes, theorically.
But remember, OSL and TV are also free advertisement for ESF. Sure, people can only watch Kespa's stuff on TV right now, but because there're 2 competitive parties, sooner or later, if SC2 does well on TV, one random TV station will pick up ESF and GomTV leagues to pull viewers.


That is not exactly true. If that were the case, Brood War in it's prime would have been featured on more television stations. Brood War was featured on two stations: MBC and OGN. MBC is now a music station and does not feature games anymore whereas OGN has agreements with Kespa. So, GOM actually being able to broadcast on television is very unlikely.


Yes, even if games do very well with a lot of audiences, the market is still very small, because teenagers don't buy stuff. That's exactly what OGN and MBC were facing couple years ago.
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
August 27 2012 02:38 GMT
#1473
On August 27 2012 11:34 ElephantBaby wrote:
Still no announcement of cancelling games in OSL? This is weird.

Do we really think the games wont be played? Come on. The ESF players have dreamed of just playing in OSL for their whole lives. theyll reach an agreement.
#TheOneTrueDong
xuanzue
Profile Joined October 2010
Colombia1747 Posts
August 27 2012 02:39 GMT
#1474
On August 27 2012 11:34 ElephantBaby wrote:
Still no announcement of cancelling games in OSL? This is weird.


i expect any kind (sad) of announcement in the next 5 hours
Dominions 4: "Thrones of Ascension".
Gorilla23
Profile Joined March 2012
United States339 Posts
August 27 2012 02:39 GMT
#1475
On August 27 2012 11:34 ElephantBaby wrote:
Still no announcement of cancelling games in OSL? This is weird.


In the OSL Day 1 LR thread, Dansickle said:

On August 27 2012 11:11 Dansickle wrote:
I was told when I was at the match yesterday that at least these matches were cancelled. Don't know what's going to happen beyond that.



Who knows what's going on. Being Monday in Korea, I think it likely that an announcement of some sort happens.
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
August 27 2012 02:40 GMT
#1476
On August 27 2012 11:38 TommyP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 11:34 ElephantBaby wrote:
Still no announcement of cancelling games in OSL? This is weird.

Do we really think the games wont be played? Come on. The ESF players have dreamed of just playing in OSL for their whole lives. theyll reach an agreement.

Yes I would be shocked if a agreement wasn't reached. If there wasn't going to be a deal there surely would be reports of replacement players or the event being cancelled by now.
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
August 27 2012 02:44 GMT
#1477
On August 27 2012 11:38 TommyP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 11:34 ElephantBaby wrote:
Still no announcement of cancelling games in OSL? This is weird.

Do we really think the games wont be played? Come on. The ESF players have dreamed of just playing in OSL for their whole lives. theyll reach an agreement.


Really hope so, but time is running out.
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
August 27 2012 02:46 GMT
#1478
On August 27 2012 11:44 ElephantBaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 11:38 TommyP wrote:
On August 27 2012 11:34 ElephantBaby wrote:
Still no announcement of cancelling games in OSL? This is weird.

Do we really think the games wont be played? Come on. The ESF players have dreamed of just playing in OSL for their whole lives. theyll reach an agreement.


Really hope so, but time is running out.

We still ahve more than 24 hours. Im sure all players are still practicing hard and expecting to play. Im optimistic a deal will get done.
#TheOneTrueDong
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
August 27 2012 03:03 GMT
#1479
Best chance for an ESF player to win an OSL and they're just resorting to blackmail. Sad to see. Kespa had legit reasons for delaying one season (preparation time; schedule; still in partial switch from BW plus it has little effect on GSL having the elephants absent from Code B/A/S for 1 more season) whereas ESF is screwing over Kespa basically out of spite. If anything not having Kespa players in GSL gives the ESF players more chance of prizemoney/success for at least another season.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
August 27 2012 03:19 GMT
#1480
Lol if you think the schedule is a legit reason. ESF players play GSL, GSTL, now OSL, and also they fly around the whole damn world constantly for foreign events, which Kespa players do not. Kespa players just have to do proleague, OSL and then they would add GSL, still a far less demanding schedule than the esf players. Also they looked more than ready during WCS.
#TheOneTrueDong
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