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bubl100500
Profile Joined March 2011
Ukraine538 Posts
August 26 2012 23:02 GMT
#1441
In all this mess the biggest losers are Kespa players. They can't play in GSL, half of OSL spots were given to GSL players, and the only foreign tournament they are allowed to participate is MLG(probably). And this all after hybrid proleague bullshit. WTF KESPA!!!
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
August 26 2012 23:04 GMT
#1442
On August 27 2012 08:02 bubl100500 wrote:
In all this mess the biggest losers are Kespa players. They can't play in GSL, half of OSL spots were given to GSL players, and the only foreign tournament they are allowed to participate is MLG(probably). And this all after hybrid proleague bullshit. WTF KESPA!!!

I wish the P in Kespa stood for player
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stangstang
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada281 Posts
August 26 2012 23:10 GMT
#1443
On August 27 2012 08:04 Goibon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 08:02 bubl100500 wrote:
In all this mess the biggest losers are Kespa players. They can't play in GSL, half of OSL spots were given to GSL players, and the only foreign tournament they are allowed to participate is MLG(probably). And this all after hybrid proleague bullshit. WTF KESPA!!!

I wish the P in Kespa stood for player


That's the wish of majority of the community.
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
August 27 2012 00:18 GMT
#1444
Why can't we all just get along?
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
August 27 2012 00:26 GMT
#1445
On August 27 2012 08:04 Goibon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 08:02 bubl100500 wrote:
In all this mess the biggest losers are Kespa players. They can't play in GSL, half of OSL spots were given to GSL players, and the only foreign tournament they are allowed to participate is MLG(probably). And this all after hybrid proleague bullshit. WTF KESPA!!!

I wish the P in Kespa stood for player


They get nice salaries, nice vacations, they do not have to pay for shelter, food, computers, etc, photo shoots, their games are broadcasted on television and they are looked at as celebrities. They have attended IEM, WCG, etc. So, saying that Kespa is not for the "players" because they are not allowed to join GOM's GSL is extremely exaggerated and selfish.
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
August 27 2012 00:31 GMT
#1446
On August 27 2012 09:26 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 08:04 Goibon wrote:
On August 27 2012 08:02 bubl100500 wrote:
In all this mess the biggest losers are Kespa players. They can't play in GSL, half of OSL spots were given to GSL players, and the only foreign tournament they are allowed to participate is MLG(probably). And this all after hybrid proleague bullshit. WTF KESPA!!!

I wish the P in Kespa stood for player


They get nice salaries, nice vacations, they do not have to pay for shelter, food, computers, etc, photo shoots, their games are broadcasted on television and they are looked at as celebrities. They have attended IEM, WCG, etc. So, saying that Kespa is not for the "players" because they are not allowed to join GOM's GSL is extremely exaggerated and selfish.

They as in Jaedong, Flash, Jangbi, Stork, Fantasy and Bisu.
#TheOneTrueDong
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
August 27 2012 00:36 GMT
#1447
On August 27 2012 09:31 TommyP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 09:26 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On August 27 2012 08:04 Goibon wrote:
On August 27 2012 08:02 bubl100500 wrote:
In all this mess the biggest losers are Kespa players. They can't play in GSL, half of OSL spots were given to GSL players, and the only foreign tournament they are allowed to participate is MLG(probably). And this all after hybrid proleague bullshit. WTF KESPA!!!

I wish the P in Kespa stood for player


They get nice salaries, nice vacations, they do not have to pay for shelter, food, computers, etc, photo shoots, their games are broadcasted on television and they are looked at as celebrities. They have attended IEM, WCG, etc. So, saying that Kespa is not for the "players" because they are not allowed to join GOM's GSL is extremely exaggerated and selfish.

They as in Jaedong, Flash, Jangbi, Stork, Fantasy and Bisu.


The bolded part applies for all players in Kespa. Also, why wouldn't the best players on your team not receive a nice salary? Why would you pay somebody who doesn't contribute much to your team as much as your best players?




HunterX11
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1048 Posts
August 27 2012 00:36 GMT
#1448
On August 27 2012 09:26 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 08:04 Goibon wrote:
On August 27 2012 08:02 bubl100500 wrote:
In all this mess the biggest losers are Kespa players. They can't play in GSL, half of OSL spots were given to GSL players, and the only foreign tournament they are allowed to participate is MLG(probably). And this all after hybrid proleague bullshit. WTF KESPA!!!

I wish the P in Kespa stood for player


They get nice salaries, nice vacations, they do not have to pay for shelter, food, computers, etc, photo shoots, their games are broadcasted on television and they are looked at as celebrities. They have attended IEM, WCG, etc. So, saying that Kespa is not for the "players" because they are not allowed to join GOM's GSL is extremely exaggerated and selfish.


A lot of the players get stipends, not salaries. Also they screw over the players with things like "free agency". Don't get me wrong: I think KeSPA represents legitimate eSports in a way that SC2 needs, but it would be silly to think that KeSPA doesn't represent the interests of the chaebols first.
Try using both Irradiate and Defensive Matrix on an Overlord. It looks pretty neat.
rave[wcr]
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1166 Posts
August 27 2012 00:37 GMT
#1449
so is there still any chance of salvaging this craptastic catastrope? or are we just gonna all gonna be forced to have an OSL ro 16 with 8 players?
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 27 2012 00:42 GMT
#1450
Kinda surprised that nothing's been heard from Kespa yet. Incidentally, what happened to that press release from Blizzard? I hope we hear something good very soon...
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 00:44:56
August 27 2012 00:42 GMT
#1451
On August 27 2012 09:36 HunterX11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 09:26 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On August 27 2012 08:04 Goibon wrote:
On August 27 2012 08:02 bubl100500 wrote:
In all this mess the biggest losers are Kespa players. They can't play in GSL, half of OSL spots were given to GSL players, and the only foreign tournament they are allowed to participate is MLG(probably). And this all after hybrid proleague bullshit. WTF KESPA!!!

I wish the P in Kespa stood for player


They get nice salaries, nice vacations, they do not have to pay for shelter, food, computers, etc, photo shoots, their games are broadcasted on television and they are looked at as celebrities. They have attended IEM, WCG, etc. So, saying that Kespa is not for the "players" because they are not allowed to join GOM's GSL is extremely exaggerated and selfish.


A lot of the players get stipends, not salaries. Also they screw over the players with things like "free agency". Don't get me wrong: I think KeSPA represents legitimate eSports in a way that SC2 needs, but it would be silly to think that KeSPA doesn't represent the interests of the chaebols first.


Free agency is a good thing though. Rather then just saying "your fired" they give other teams the opportunity to pick you up. How is that different from basketball or football? Also, can you link your source that the players receive stipends? Because I disagree with that as Flash gets paid a lot more then other players on the team. Also, please specify what you mean by "Kespa doesn't represent the interest of the players".
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
August 27 2012 00:45 GMT
#1452
On August 27 2012 09:42 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 09:36 HunterX11 wrote:
On August 27 2012 09:26 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On August 27 2012 08:04 Goibon wrote:
On August 27 2012 08:02 bubl100500 wrote:
In all this mess the biggest losers are Kespa players. They can't play in GSL, half of OSL spots were given to GSL players, and the only foreign tournament they are allowed to participate is MLG(probably). And this all after hybrid proleague bullshit. WTF KESPA!!!

I wish the P in Kespa stood for player


They get nice salaries, nice vacations, they do not have to pay for shelter, food, computers, etc, photo shoots, their games are broadcasted on television and they are looked at as celebrities. They have attended IEM, WCG, etc. So, saying that Kespa is not for the "players" because they are not allowed to join GOM's GSL is extremely exaggerated and selfish.


A lot of the players get stipends, not salaries. Also they screw over the players with things like "free agency". Don't get me wrong: I think KeSPA represents legitimate eSports in a way that SC2 needs, but it would be silly to think that KeSPA doesn't represent the interests of the chaebols first.


Free agency is a good thing though. Rather then just saying "your fired" they give other teams the opportunity to pick you up. How is that different from basketball or football? Also, can you link your source that the players receive stipends? Also, please specify what you mean by "Kepsa doesn't represent the interest of the players".


The way Kespa implements free agency is atrocious.

Its pretty much free-slavery. There is a thread on it somewhere around here on TL. Issue is, a free agent cannot decide what team they can sign with. Whichever bids the highest wins. So someone leaving the team to test the free agency waters can get picked up by the original team for a pathetic salary. This happens a lot.
twitch.tv/medrea
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 00:50:47
August 27 2012 00:48 GMT
#1453
On August 27 2012 09:45 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 09:42 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On August 27 2012 09:36 HunterX11 wrote:
On August 27 2012 09:26 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On August 27 2012 08:04 Goibon wrote:
On August 27 2012 08:02 bubl100500 wrote:
In all this mess the biggest losers are Kespa players. They can't play in GSL, half of OSL spots were given to GSL players, and the only foreign tournament they are allowed to participate is MLG(probably). And this all after hybrid proleague bullshit. WTF KESPA!!!

I wish the P in Kespa stood for player


They get nice salaries, nice vacations, they do not have to pay for shelter, food, computers, etc, photo shoots, their games are broadcasted on television and they are looked at as celebrities. They have attended IEM, WCG, etc. So, saying that Kespa is not for the "players" because they are not allowed to join GOM's GSL is extremely exaggerated and selfish.


A lot of the players get stipends, not salaries. Also they screw over the players with things like "free agency". Don't get me wrong: I think KeSPA represents legitimate eSports in a way that SC2 needs, but it would be silly to think that KeSPA doesn't represent the interests of the chaebols first.


Free agency is a good thing though. Rather then just saying "your fired" they give other teams the opportunity to pick you up. How is that different from basketball or football? Also, can you link your source that the players receive stipends? Also, please specify what you mean by "Kepsa doesn't represent the interest of the players".


The way Kespa implements free agency is atrocious.

Its pretty much free-slavery. There is a thread on it somewhere around here on TL. Issue is, a free agent cannot decide what team they can sign with. Whichever bids the highest wins. So someone leaving the team to test the free agency waters can get picked up by the original team for a pathetic salary. This happens a lot.


I agree, that sounds pretty shitty to me. You would think the highest bidder would apply some of the money in the salary as well.

Also, can you link me to that thread? I am interested in reading it.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 01:01:49
August 27 2012 00:55 GMT
#1454
On August 27 2012 09:48 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 09:45 Medrea wrote:
On August 27 2012 09:42 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On August 27 2012 09:36 HunterX11 wrote:
On August 27 2012 09:26 BlazeFury01 wrote:
On August 27 2012 08:04 Goibon wrote:
On August 27 2012 08:02 bubl100500 wrote:
In all this mess the biggest losers are Kespa players. They can't play in GSL, half of OSL spots were given to GSL players, and the only foreign tournament they are allowed to participate is MLG(probably). And this all after hybrid proleague bullshit. WTF KESPA!!!

I wish the P in Kespa stood for player


They get nice salaries, nice vacations, they do not have to pay for shelter, food, computers, etc, photo shoots, their games are broadcasted on television and they are looked at as celebrities. They have attended IEM, WCG, etc. So, saying that Kespa is not for the "players" because they are not allowed to join GOM's GSL is extremely exaggerated and selfish.


A lot of the players get stipends, not salaries. Also they screw over the players with things like "free agency". Don't get me wrong: I think KeSPA represents legitimate eSports in a way that SC2 needs, but it would be silly to think that KeSPA doesn't represent the interests of the chaebols first.


Free agency is a good thing though. Rather then just saying "your fired" they give other teams the opportunity to pick you up. How is that different from basketball or football? Also, can you link your source that the players receive stipends? Also, please specify what you mean by "Kepsa doesn't represent the interest of the players".


The way Kespa implements free agency is atrocious.

Its pretty much free-slavery. There is a thread on it somewhere around here on TL. Issue is, a free agent cannot decide what team they can sign with. Whichever bids the highest wins. So someone leaving the team to test the free agency waters can get picked up by the original team for a pathetic salary. This happens a lot.


I agree, that sounds pretty shitty to me. You would think the highest bidder would apply some of the money in the salary as well.

Also, can you link me to that thread? I am interested in reading it.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99641

No agents.
No negotiations, buyers price is final.
No choosing. Highest bid ALWAYS wins.

This process is ok for the super elite, but for everyone else its awful. If you want to become a free agent you can end up screwing yourself so hard.

Agents being forbidden is OBVIOUSLY Kespa taking advantage of young people who don't know any better. This is ULTRA red flags, its a signal to how the rest of the organization is run.
twitch.tv/medrea
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 27 2012 01:01 GMT
#1455
On August 27 2012 09:37 rave[wcr] wrote:
so is there still any chance of salvaging this craptastic catastrope? or are we just gonna all gonna be forced to have an OSL ro 16 with 8 players?

It's not gonna be that bad. There are a lot of KeSPA players around, so they won't have to worry about not being able to fill the tournament. What we'll probably see is a lower-skill tournament with bad English casting, because the good casters have been gobbled up elsewhere and the GSL players have simply had a ton more practice.
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stangstang
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada281 Posts
August 27 2012 01:05 GMT
#1456
That doesn't seem so bad. Why wouldn't a player like MC want to go back to that? I mean he gets....vacations.
0_o
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 27 2012 01:09 GMT
#1457
Because star he would have to play 12 hours a day everyday and wouldn't get any of the free time mc enjoys right now. The kespA players don't get many vacations while mc could take one whenever
When I think of something else, something will go here
stangstang
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada281 Posts
August 27 2012 01:13 GMT
#1458
It was a sarcastic comment.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
August 27 2012 01:22 GMT
#1459
On August 27 2012 10:09 blade55555 wrote:
Because star he would have to play 12 hours a day everyday and wouldn't get any of the free time mc enjoys right now. The kespA players don't get many vacations while mc could take one whenever


Woah, SKT just came back from one (yep Hawaii)
and same goes for Samsung + KT!

Team 8 too if I can remember.
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Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
August 27 2012 01:22 GMT
#1460
Kespa's system for free agency is pretty crap, aye. It's good that teams don't change too rapidly or become grossly stacked.

On August 27 2012 10:05 stangstang wrote:
That doesn't seem so bad. Why wouldn't a player like MC want to go back to that? I mean he gets....vacations.
0_o

MC was a weak pro at BW. He took a gamble and left for an easier scene in a different game. His gamble paid off.

Dunno how that's an issue with Kespa.
My strategy is to fork people.
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