Link us to a more recent event. 2002 really? In 2002, StarCraft was not as popular as it is now in Korea today.
I don't really pay attention to these things, what's the most recent OSL that happened during an Olympics?
Jangbi vs Fantasy
Look at the crowd
I would provide a counter argument...
... but then, you did pretty directly answer my question, so it's really my fault. Well done.
Your counter argument probably would have been that Jangbi vs Fantasy 2012 was the final OSL for Brood War therefore it would naturally have a vast crowd.
Yes, and that both Nate OSL and Monsieur J also had the added problem of unfortunate finals (Nate's favourites having lost early on, and Monsieur J being PvP) but that would set me up defending a position I really have no interest in defending, as other GSL finals (except maybe the very first) have not had attendance comparable to any OSLs I have ever watched either. So I already know that in the overall argument, I would have been on the losing side, it would be absurd for me to try arguing further. I just thought that in this specific instance, there was an interesting comparison to be made.
But really, I was just in this thread to find out if there was any news on whether players would be attending OSL/GSL, so I will humbly back out of this discussion, especially after you have so masterfully struck down my original argument.
lol, no argument here bro! We both were right in our discussion so there is no win/lose in this case. But at the moment, it does not look like GOM players will be attending the OSL and Kespa players will not be attending the GSL. Which in my opinion is going to hurt GOM and ESF while Kespa will be unphased. I touched base on my opinion on page 648 if you are interested in knowning.
Blizzard has the final word in the matter.
You never know. Maybe Blizzard will take back broadcasting rights, KeSPA will be pissed and go back to broadcasting BW, and then the frustrating BW and SC2 arguments will end as people just start ignoring each other.
Or LoL will take over the world.
as if LoL's relevance isnt about to diminish with dota2 becoming public shortly..
... but then, you did pretty directly answer my question, so it's really my fault. Well done.
Your counter argument probably would have been that Jangbi vs Fantasy 2012 was the final OSL for Brood War therefore it would naturally have a vast crowd.
Yes, and that both Nate OSL and Monsieur J also had the added problem of unfortunate finals (Nate's favourites having lost early on, and Monsieur J being PvP) but that would set me up defending a position I really have no interest in defending, as other GSL finals (except maybe the very first) have not had attendance comparable to any OSLs I have ever watched either. So I already know that in the overall argument, I would have been on the losing side, it would be absurd for me to try arguing further. I just thought that in this specific instance, there was an interesting comparison to be made.
But really, I was just in this thread to find out if there was any news on whether players would be attending OSL/GSL, so I will humbly back out of this discussion, especially after you have so masterfully struck down my original argument.
lol, no argument here bro! We both were right in our discussion so there is no win/lose in this case. But at the moment, it does not look like GOM players will be attending the OSL and Kespa players will not be attending the GSL. Which in my opinion is going to hurt GOM and ESF while Kespa will be unphased. I touched base on my opinion on page 648 if you are interested in knowning.
Blizzard has the final word in the matter.
You never know. Maybe Blizzard will take back broadcasting rights, KeSPA will be pissed and go back to broadcasting BW, and then the frustrating BW and SC2 arguments will end as people just start ignoring each other.
Or LoL will take over the world.
as if LoL's relevance isnt about to diminish with dota2 becoming public shortly..
I actually don't follow or play MOBAs much. Do you think DotA 2 will really have that big an impact? From what I understand, people play LoL over games like DotA and HoN because LoL is easier for a casual player, and DotA 2 is basically a smoother version of the original DotA but with all the things that make it harder intact (excl. War3 pathing), which leads me to think people will stick with LoL. Of course you will have some who turn to DotA 2 for the "novelty" factor, but if it really is still much more difficult than LoL, then they'll soon be running back to LoL anyways.
Ithink Kespa should let theur players choose whether or not htey want to play GSL starting now. However if they do not and ESF pulls their players out of OSL the ESF should have to compensate OGN financially. This is because OGN and KESpa are not the same thing. I mean OGN produced brood war tournaments, nowthey don't they do starcraft 2. In fact they did the Starcraft 2 WCS last year.
... but then, you did pretty directly answer my question, so it's really my fault. Well done.
Your counter argument probably would have been that Jangbi vs Fantasy 2012 was the final OSL for Brood War therefore it would naturally have a vast crowd.
Yes, and that both Nate OSL and Monsieur J also had the added problem of unfortunate finals (Nate's favourites having lost early on, and Monsieur J being PvP) but that would set me up defending a position I really have no interest in defending, as other GSL finals (except maybe the very first) have not had attendance comparable to any OSLs I have ever watched either. So I already know that in the overall argument, I would have been on the losing side, it would be absurd for me to try arguing further. I just thought that in this specific instance, there was an interesting comparison to be made.
But really, I was just in this thread to find out if there was any news on whether players would be attending OSL/GSL, so I will humbly back out of this discussion, especially after you have so masterfully struck down my original argument.
lol, no argument here bro! We both were right in our discussion so there is no win/lose in this case. But at the moment, it does not look like GOM players will be attending the OSL and Kespa players will not be attending the GSL. Which in my opinion is going to hurt GOM and ESF while Kespa will be unphased. I touched base on my opinion on page 648 if you are interested in knowning.
Blizzard has the final word in the matter.
You never know. Maybe Blizzard will take back broadcasting rights, KeSPA will be pissed and go back to broadcasting BW, and then the frustrating BW and SC2 arguments will end as people just start ignoring each other.
Or LoL will take over the world.
Nah LoL won't take over the world although at the moment you could argue they already did. If anything they will take over korea for good if this mess with kespa and GSL keep on going for too long. But LoL numbers in general have definitely started dropping while SC2 is staying consistent and even peaking higher then before in some events(assembly). LoL used to average 200k+ per event, especially IEM and this time they peaked at 150k iirc but in some other tournaments they had much lowers viewers count. I think overall LoL is starting to get a bit too oversaturated like SC2 did at one point. There are probably a couple more reasons to it but I don't feel like digging too much.
With this OSL I think SC2 can really start to catch the koreans attention, if they come to cheer for their favorite kespa players who are doing very well in a short little amount of time I think it will work. So let's hope they come to an agreement.
... but then, you did pretty directly answer my question, so it's really my fault. Well done.
Your counter argument probably would have been that Jangbi vs Fantasy 2012 was the final OSL for Brood War therefore it would naturally have a vast crowd.
Yes, and that both Nate OSL and Monsieur J also had the added problem of unfortunate finals (Nate's favourites having lost early on, and Monsieur J being PvP) but that would set me up defending a position I really have no interest in defending, as other GSL finals (except maybe the very first) have not had attendance comparable to any OSLs I have ever watched either. So I already know that in the overall argument, I would have been on the losing side, it would be absurd for me to try arguing further. I just thought that in this specific instance, there was an interesting comparison to be made.
But really, I was just in this thread to find out if there was any news on whether players would be attending OSL/GSL, so I will humbly back out of this discussion, especially after you have so masterfully struck down my original argument.
lol, no argument here bro! We both were right in our discussion so there is no win/lose in this case. But at the moment, it does not look like GOM players will be attending the OSL and Kespa players will not be attending the GSL. Which in my opinion is going to hurt GOM and ESF while Kespa will be unphased. I touched base on my opinion on page 648 if you are interested in knowning.
Blizzard has the final word in the matter.
You never know. Maybe Blizzard will take back broadcasting rights, KeSPA will be pissed and go back to broadcasting BW, and then the frustrating BW and SC2 arguments will end as people just start ignoring each other.
Or LoL will take over the world.
as if LoL's relevance isnt about to diminish with dota2 becoming public shortly..
I actually don't follow or play MOBAs much. Do you think DotA 2 will really have that big an impact? From what I understand, people play LoL over games like DotA and HoN because LoL is easier for a casual player, and DotA 2 is basically a smoother version of the original DotA but with all the things that make it harder intact (excl. War3 pathing), which leads me to think people will stick with LoL. Of course you will have some who turn to DotA 2 for the "novelty" factor, but if it really is still much more difficult than LoL, then they'll soon be running back to LoL anyways.
LoL will always remain more popular then Dota 2 and most likely SC2 with all the money riot is pouring into it but I highly doubt it will be that huge marge of difference in viewers that it had before. Dota 2 will definitely have an impact on LoL viewership though.
Edit: I don't really have time to read through all of the pages but does anyone know how the koreans netizens have been reacting to this kespa vs GSL war? Who are they supporting right now?
On August 25 2012 18:32 BrosephBrostar wrote: I'll say it again, there's absolutely no way a fan of SC2 should support the ESF here. What they're doing is absolutely retarded. If their goal really is to "carry Korean E-sports a step forward" isn't getting on TV pretty much the biggest step they can take right now? Am I really supposed to believe that the players are willing to pass up their chance at playing in a Starleage, something they've probably been dreaming of since they became progamers, for the "dignity" of some organization? Don't make me laugh. It's obvious that GOM has ESF on a leash and they're yanking the chain because they're afraid of becoming irrelevant. Anyone that supports this kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of "esports."
I think that their goal is to carry Korean E-Sports a step forward globally, and they feel that GOM and all of the foreign tourneys have done this. KeSPA has made a lot of claims about wanting to open up, but everyone, even the players, are skeptical of that, with good reason to be. They are fighting not just for GOM, but for the KeSPA players, the foreign players, and the fans globally I think. Most of the fans support GOM and what they have done for the community, that includes the SC2 pro players it appears.
This is just short sighted us vs them mentality. Consider what the scene has to lose by this. If the first OS2L ends up bombing because of this there's pretty much zero chance of the BW fanbase transitioning to SC2. If kespa can't transition then SC2 loses out on a massive amount of money and infrastructure. Dropping out doesn't benefit the fans or the players.
I do not get it, how exactly are the BW fanbase and KeSPA transition related. The BW fanbase will need to become SC2 fanbase to be revelant, with or without KeSPA.
The BW fanbase is not bolted to KeSPA. They can remain BW fanbase, or become SC2 fanbase or become neither. It is not about OSL, it is about people choices.
On August 25 2012 18:46 BrosephBrostar wrote:
On August 25 2012 18:40 Otak wrote:
On August 25 2012 18:32 BrosephBrostar wrote: I'll say it again, there's absolutely no way a fan of SC2 should support the ESF here. What they're doing is absolutely retarded. If their goal really is to "carry Korean E-sports a step forward" isn't getting on TV pretty much the biggest step they can take right now? Am I really supposed to believe that the players are willing to pass up their chance at playing in a Starleage, something they've probably been dreaming of since they became progamers, for the "dignity" of some organization? Don't make me laugh. It's obvious that GOM has ESF on a leash and they're yanking the chain because they're afraid of becoming irrelevant. Anyone that supports this kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of "esports."
Are you kidding? GomTv has been showing Starcraft 2 since 2010 and has done a very good job doing so. Kespa has recently started sc2 and now wants the monopoly on having ALL the big name players in one tournament. If you're too blinded to see that Kespa is just deliberately trying to shut GomTv out so that they become irrelevant again then I don't know what to say to you. And to be quite honest, I think in everyones mind, GSL is the premier sc2 tournament at the moment, not the Kespa league.
And so what if GOM does end up becoming irrelevant? Did you ever stop to consider that SC2 might be better off under kespa? They bring far more to the table in terms of resources and potential for growth. This is nothing more then petty factionalism.
In case you do not know, foreign SC2 scene has bigger(finantial) resourses than Korean scene anyway. I`m not sure how much the Korean scene is currently financed by money that foreigners bring in various ways(vievers for streams, sponsors, foreign events attendance), but i wouldn`t hesitate to call it very significant, if not major money source.
KeSpa at this point is irrelevant.
On August 26 2012 10:15 Severedevil wrote:
On August 26 2012 10:05 ShatterZer0 wrote: I don't understand why people seem to think KESPA is right on this...
They are being unreasonable in protecting their brand and should be willing to step onto an even playing field.
Kespa players are still competing in Broodwar. It's not an even playing field.
If I understand correctly, by GSL5 they'll have fully transitioned, but ESF are insisting they play GSL before then.
If that would be the case, they wouldn`t play WCS, no? Maybe, they wouln`t even play SC2 OSL2, before full transitioning? Oh, wait, they actually do.
a) The Korean fanbase may not be tied to keSPA, but they ARE tied to OGN. Without OGN, because MBC Game doesn't exist anymore, the vast majority of the Korean fanbase doesn't watch games. They watch Starcraft on TV, not on their computer. GOM only broadcasts on online streams.
b) KeSPA absolutely has more money and resources than the foreign scene. They broadcast on television every week, unlimited broadcast time, put on the biggest events with the biggest crowds, and never charge a dime to watch content or attend live events. They have the biggest sponsors and their players make the most money outside of EG, and the stars make more than twice what even an EG player makes.
c) They played in WCS because it was a Blizzard-sponsored event that was happening RIGHT THEN. Blizzard was a part of the eSports Vision conference, and participation in the WCS was probably a part of KESPA's contract to get broadcasting rights to SC2.
Please keep facts in mind before spouting stuff.
a. How did you figured? they should in fact have computers.
b. Wrong. The TV vs internet is meaningless. Just look at SC2 scene Sponsors. Intel, AMD, LG, Red Bull, and a crapload of smaller sponsors. KeSpa sposor that can match that, is basically Samsung, and nothing more. Foreign scene has more vievers overall. You just need to add up all the streams with different languages. The Crowds, again are more about the scene being compact, and lokated in fan-dence Korea as opposed to spread out. The SC2 foreign scene has more teams than KeSPA, the wage of non-star players is better.
Not to mention the number of SC2 events. MLG, IPL, Dreamhak, IEM, NASL, Homestory cup, WCS, many of which happen multiple times in one year, and I`m only counting the events that have at least comparable prise for winner (>10k).
c. It is irrelevant they participated in SC2 tournament, so they were ready to participate in big SC2 events.
Please, keep your fanboism out, and get the facts straight before posting.
On August 26 2012 07:15 oneofthem wrote: "GSL" players may show better results now, but everyone knows that they are inferior in talent and potential etc etc. nobody who has any idea of starcraft would care for a league that excludes the best players in the world.
Oh wow, can't believe I forgot how disgusting fanatical fanboys can be. It's like I'm back at Fomos and DCInside BW Gallery.
On August 26 2012 07:38 ArvickHero wrote: KeSPA can always give the finger to eSF and say fuck you, we're doing a mass switch to LoL. Then the Korean SC2 scene will stagnate and see more finals like this.
Yeah, because ZvZ in BW finals was so much successful, right?
On August 26 2012 12:49 coasts wrote: Ithink Kespa should let theur players choose whether or not htey want to play GSL starting now. However if they do not and ESF pulls their players out of OSL the ESF should have to compensate OGN financially. This is because OGN and KESpa are not the same thing. I mean OGN produced brood war tournaments, nowthey don't they do starcraft 2. In fact they did the Starcraft 2 WCS last year.
TBH it's KeSPA fucking over OGN by trying to split Korea in half, and if anyone should be made to compensate anyone it should be KeSPA, instigating this bullshit. ESF/GOM can't just back down to KeSPA or they're endorsing KeSPA to do it every gsl season.
If you can't see that there's still an issue with KeSPA's "compromise," then sorry, you really have your fanboy goggles or your hater goggles screwed on too tight, and there's little point rehashing everything that's been said throughout the thread. :/ Either that or you're just naive.
On August 26 2012 07:15 oneofthem wrote: "GSL" players may show better results now, but everyone knows that they are inferior in talent and potential etc etc. nobody who has any idea of starcraft would care for a league that excludes the best players in the world.
Oh wow, can't believe I forgot how disgusting fanatical fanboys can be. It's like I'm back at Fomos and DCInside BW Gallery.
On August 26 2012 07:38 ArvickHero wrote: KeSPA can always give the finger to eSF and say fuck you, we're doing a mass switch to LoL. Then the Korean SC2 scene will stagnate and see more finals like this.
Yeah, because ZvZ in BW finals was so much successful, right?
yep
PDPop MSL which had a Ro8 entirely comprised of zergs was great because it coincided with an emerging brand of ZvZ whereby Hive tech games were achieved via the addition of HydraLurk play into typical MutaLing compositions (Pioneered by Great). Organisers as well as fans took a light hearted approach to the ZvZ finals with commercials like this.
Pretty much fans as well as organisers collectively went "awww man ZVZ.....lets just have some fun with it =]"
On August 26 2012 07:15 oneofthem wrote: "GSL" players may show better results now, but everyone knows that they are inferior in talent and potential etc etc. nobody who has any idea of starcraft would care for a league that excludes the best players in the world.
Oh wow, can't believe I forgot how disgusting fanatical fanboys can be. It's like I'm back at Fomos and DCInside BW Gallery.
whats the problem
On August 26 2012 07:43 JiPrime wrote:
On August 26 2012 07:38 ArvickHero wrote: KeSPA can always give the finger to eSF and say fuck you, we're doing a mass switch to LoL. Then the Korean SC2 scene will stagnate and see more finals like this.
Yeah, because ZvZ in BW finals was so much successful, right?
yep
PDPop MSL which had a Ro8 entirely comprised of zergs was great because it coincided with an emerging brand of ZvZ whereby Hive tech games were achieved via the addition of HydraLurk play into typical MutaLing compositions (Pioneered by Great). Organisers as well as fans took a light hearted approach to the ZvZ finals with commercials like this.
Pretty much fans as well as organisers collectively went "awww man ZVZ.....lets just have some fun with it =]"
Well ZvZ finals was not that disappointing at all with shark giving lots of pointers about the build orders and lots of things that you don't really know until you play zerg your self.
Kespa should stick to their decision and see if ESF players really pull out of OGN. If they do, OGN they should ban those players from participating in any future OGN events. Kespa should then do exactly what ESF did to OGN..... have their players play in GSL5 and if one of them makes it far, especially something like the finals, that player should just not show up. That would be hilarious and a big FU to GOM and ESF.
On August 25 2012 18:32 BrosephBrostar wrote: I'll say it again, there's absolutely no way a fan of SC2 should support the ESF here. What they're doing is absolutely retarded. If their goal really is to "carry Korean E-sports a step forward" isn't getting on TV pretty much the biggest step they can take right now? Am I really supposed to believe that the players are willing to pass up their chance at playing in a Starleage, something they've probably been dreaming of since they became progamers, for the "dignity" of some organization? Don't make me laugh. It's obvious that GOM has ESF on a leash and they're yanking the chain because they're afraid of becoming irrelevant. Anyone that supports this kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of "esports."
I think that their goal is to carry Korean E-Sports a step forward globally, and they feel that GOM and all of the foreign tourneys have done this. KeSPA has made a lot of claims about wanting to open up, but everyone, even the players, are skeptical of that, with good reason to be. They are fighting not just for GOM, but for the KeSPA players, the foreign players, and the fans globally I think. Most of the fans support GOM and what they have done for the community, that includes the SC2 pro players it appears.
This is just short sighted us vs them mentality. Consider what the scene has to lose by this. If the first OS2L ends up bombing because of this there's pretty much zero chance of the BW fanbase transitioning to SC2. If kespa can't transition then SC2 loses out on a massive amount of money and infrastructure. Dropping out doesn't benefit the fans or the players.
I do not get it, how exactly are the BW fanbase and KeSPA transition related. The BW fanbase will need to become SC2 fanbase to be revelant, with or without KeSPA.
The BW fanbase is not bolted to KeSPA. They can remain BW fanbase, or become SC2 fanbase or become neither. It is not about OSL, it is about people choices.
On August 25 2012 18:46 BrosephBrostar wrote:
On August 25 2012 18:40 Otak wrote:
On August 25 2012 18:32 BrosephBrostar wrote: I'll say it again, there's absolutely no way a fan of SC2 should support the ESF here. What they're doing is absolutely retarded. If their goal really is to "carry Korean E-sports a step forward" isn't getting on TV pretty much the biggest step they can take right now? Am I really supposed to believe that the players are willing to pass up their chance at playing in a Starleage, something they've probably been dreaming of since they became progamers, for the "dignity" of some organization? Don't make me laugh. It's obvious that GOM has ESF on a leash and they're yanking the chain because they're afraid of becoming irrelevant. Anyone that supports this kind of bogus politics has no right to call himself a fan of "esports."
Are you kidding? GomTv has been showing Starcraft 2 since 2010 and has done a very good job doing so. Kespa has recently started sc2 and now wants the monopoly on having ALL the big name players in one tournament. If you're too blinded to see that Kespa is just deliberately trying to shut GomTv out so that they become irrelevant again then I don't know what to say to you. And to be quite honest, I think in everyones mind, GSL is the premier sc2 tournament at the moment, not the Kespa league.
And so what if GOM does end up becoming irrelevant? Did you ever stop to consider that SC2 might be better off under kespa? They bring far more to the table in terms of resources and potential for growth. This is nothing more then petty factionalism.
In case you do not know, foreign SC2 scene has bigger(finantial) resourses than Korean scene anyway. I`m not sure how much the Korean scene is currently financed by money that foreigners bring in various ways(vievers for streams, sponsors, foreign events attendance), but i wouldn`t hesitate to call it very significant, if not major money source.
KeSpa at this point is irrelevant.
On August 26 2012 10:15 Severedevil wrote:
On August 26 2012 10:05 ShatterZer0 wrote: I don't understand why people seem to think KESPA is right on this...
They are being unreasonable in protecting their brand and should be willing to step onto an even playing field.
Kespa players are still competing in Broodwar. It's not an even playing field.
If I understand correctly, by GSL5 they'll have fully transitioned, but ESF are insisting they play GSL before then.
If that would be the case, they wouldn`t play WCS, no? Maybe, they wouln`t even play SC2 OSL2, before full transitioning? Oh, wait, they actually do.
a) The Korean fanbase may not be tied to keSPA, but they ARE tied to OGN. Without OGN, because MBC Game doesn't exist anymore, the vast majority of the Korean fanbase doesn't watch games. They watch Starcraft on TV, not on their computer. GOM only broadcasts on online streams.
b) KeSPA absolutely has more money and resources than the foreign scene. They broadcast on television every week, unlimited broadcast time, put on the biggest events with the biggest crowds, and never charge a dime to watch content or attend live events. They have the biggest sponsors and their players make the most money outside of EG, and the stars make more than twice what even an EG player makes.
c) They played in WCS because it was a Blizzard-sponsored event that was happening RIGHT THEN. Blizzard was a part of the eSports Vision conference, and participation in the WCS was probably a part of KESPA's contract to get broadcasting rights to SC2.
Please keep facts in mind before spouting stuff.
a. How did you figured? they should in fact have computers.
b. Wrong. The TV vs internet is meaningless. Just look at SC2 scene Sponsors. Intel, AMD, LG, Red Bull, and a crapload of smaller sponsors. KeSpa sposor that can match that, is basically Samsung, and nothing more. Foreign scene has more vievers overall. You just need to add up all the streams with different languages. The Crowds, again are more about the scene being compact, and lokated in fan-dence Korea as opposed to spread out. The SC2 foreign scene has more teams than KeSPA, the wage of non-star players is better.
Not to mention the number of SC2 events. MLG, IPL, Dreamhak, IEM, NASL, Homestory cup, WCS, many of which happen multiple times in one year, and I`m only counting the events that have at least comparable prise for winner (>10k).
c. It is irrelevant they participated in SC2 tournament, so they were ready to participate in big SC2 events.
Please, keep your fanboism out, and get the facts straight before posting.
wat
KT and SKT are like verizon or at&t in korea. CJ is like coca cola, if coke had their fingers in every single entertainment industry.
i don't think you can compare any sc2 sponsor to kespa team sponsors
also foreign scene pays like, 50 bucks a month to random shitty "pros." if you're actually a salaried pro with bonuses, you get paid a real wage. for instance, hiya when he was on lecaf said he got about 80-90k over 2 years plus bonuses for winning matches in proleague.
Yes, because that would be a completely mature and reasonable response to the situation, and would definitely not make people think that Kespa was engaging in ridiculous power plays for the sake of damaging competition.
On August 26 2012 07:15 oneofthem wrote: "GSL" players may show better results now, but everyone knows that they are inferior in talent and potential etc etc. nobody who has any idea of starcraft would care for a league that excludes the best players in the world.
Oh wow, can't believe I forgot how disgusting fanatical fanboys can be. It's like I'm back at Fomos and DCInside BW Gallery.
whats the problem
On August 26 2012 07:43 JiPrime wrote:
On August 26 2012 07:38 ArvickHero wrote: KeSPA can always give the finger to eSF and say fuck you, we're doing a mass switch to LoL. Then the Korean SC2 scene will stagnate and see more finals like this.
Yeah, because ZvZ in BW finals was so much successful, right?
yep
PDPop MSL which had a Ro8 entirely comprised of zergs was great because it coincided with an emerging brand of ZvZ whereby Hive tech games were achieved via the addition of HydraLurk play into typical MutaLing compositions (Pioneered by Great). Organisers as well as fans took a light hearted approach to the ZvZ finals with commercials like this.
Pretty much fans as well as organisers collectively went "awww man ZVZ.....lets just have some fun with it =]"
Well ZvZ finals was not that disappointing at all with shark giving lots of pointers about the build orders and lots of things that you don't really know until you play zerg your self.
I forgot about that. Shark's progamer insights on the complexities of ZvZ during commentary took me by surprise. Really people who claim BW died due to a stagnant "metagame" only expose what colossal ignoramuses they are.
EPT
with shark giving lots of pointers about the build orders and lots of things that you don't really know until you play zerg your self.
