EPTWhy doesn't Zerg use Contaminate? - Page 9
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tsuxiit
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On August 11 2012 08:42 Picklebread wrote: I saw a game where TLO made like 4 overseers when his lair finished and then swooped in later and delayed +1 by like 90 seconds. Its pretty good. Yeah but 4 overseers = 200/200 cost, that's expensive - you're delaying a 100/100 upgrade, but not only that, you had to spend the 200/200 before the opponent spent the 100/100. Not exactly cheap. | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
On August 11 2012 08:34 Silencioseu wrote: Does contaminate disable PF? It pauses/disables abilities on a structure (aside from attack which isn't really an ability) Corruption used to disable a structure from attacking entirely (but not bunkers as far as I know because it's not the bunker that is attacking) a long time ago, but I guess blizzard though it was too stale or OP or something. Regardless corruption is really bland and stale now and needs to be changed (contamination too somewhat too) | ||
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AndreiDaGiant
United States394 Posts
On August 11 2012 05:40 Forikorder wrote: for the price of ONE RAVEN you can say yourself dozens of scans saving you thousands of minerals with those minerals you can have a much larger army and without there speed bonus the zerg cant win, especialy when you HSM all there infesters everything LOOKS good on paper, if you honestly think no zerg has ever tried to use contaminate your foolingyourself, there was a period in Zvz people used contanimate alot but they stopped because the spell is not useful first off, your raven argument is just silly and not even worth a discussion especially since this is not a thread discussing why people should use ravens. second of all, there is no reason for zergs not using contaminate other then the fact that they do not have the apm... you so quickly call terrans bad for not using the raven while justifying that zergs do not use the overseer because it is a bad spell even though for limited resources you can deley an upgrade or important units such a collousus. how could that be a bad thing | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On August 11 2012 09:39 FairForever wrote: Yeah but 4 overseers = 200/200 cost, that's expensive - you're delaying a 100/100 upgrade, but not only that, you had to spend the 200/200 before the opponent spent the 100/100. Not exactly cheap. yeah but the question isnt how much the upgrade costs but how much delaying that upgrade is worth | ||
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pallad
Poland1958 Posts
First of all overseer dont cost 50/50 , its cost 150/50 and when you lose them you get supply block.. Its really easy to lose overseers in mid game .. , terrans got stim , toss blink..they can snipe them easy | ||
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BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
On August 11 2012 09:48 AndreiDaGiant wrote: first off, your raven argument is just silly and not even worth a discussion especially since this is not a thread discussing why people should use ravens. second of all, there is no reason for zergs not using contaminate other then the fact that they do not have the apm... you so quickly call terrans bad for not using the raven while justifying that zergs do not use the overseer because it is a bad spell even though for limited resources you can deley an upgrade or important units such a collousus. how could that be a bad thing The raven argument is funny because every now and then we get someone who doesn't play 'zerg/terran/protoss' saying 'why don't zerg/terran/protoss use this unit?'. Since they don't play the race themselves, they don't really understand the realities of the flaws of the unit. I mean if you're genuinely trying to understand why a unit doesn't get used, then it's a valid question to ask. Too often though (as we see here), these threads are about, 'oh because the unit is awesome but zergs/terran/protoss don't know how to innovate', or 'because zerg/terran/protoss are stupid' etc. In which case 'Why don't you use the Raven?' is a valid retort in my opinion. Contaminate looks ok on paper. It's too late for any early game timings. Can be used in the late game at times. I mean, one overseer is cheap, and it only costs energy, so there doesn't seem to be a downside. But maybe the APM cost simply isn't worth the payoff. That's enough of a downside in and of itself. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On August 11 2012 09:48 AndreiDaGiant wrote: first off, your raven argument is just silly and not even worth a discussion especially since this is not a thread discussing why people should use ravens. second of all, there is no reason for zergs not using contaminate other then the fact that they do not have the apm... you so quickly call terrans bad for not using the raven while justifying that zergs do not use the overseer because it is a bad spell even though for limited resources you can deley an upgrade or important units such a collousus. how could that be a bad thing im trying to point ouut to the OP that maybe they dont use contamintate becuase they already did in practice and jsut realised its 100% not worth it? | ||
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DarKcS
Australia1237 Posts
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
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Megakenny
Canada829 Posts
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askTeivospy
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On August 11 2012 05:40 Forikorder wrote: for the price of ONE RAVEN you can say yourself dozens of scans saving you thousands of minerals with those minerals you can have a much larger army and without there speed bonus the zerg cant win, especialy when you HSM all there infesters everything LOOKS good on paper, if you honestly think no zerg has ever tried to use contaminate your foolingyourself, there was a period in Zvz people used contanimate alot but they stopped because the spell is not useful i hate to be a smartass, but technically you're saving minerals by using scans and not building raven since mules just gather money and not actually create it | ||
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aeroblaster
United States422 Posts
On August 11 2012 10:21 askTeivospy wrote: i hate to be a smartass, but technically you're saving minerals by using scans and not building raven since mules just gather money and not actually create it Don't worry, you're definitely not being a smartass. In fact you're being the opposite.  | ||
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SKGZombie
United States42 Posts
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zEnVy
United States446 Posts
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ysnake
Bosnia-Herzegovina261 Posts
On August 11 2012 07:07 Starshaped wrote: I think there are a lot of things that on paper seem really strong that people simply don't use too often. The longer SC2 lives I think the more we will see the true power of these things. My list: Contaminate Nydus worms Recall (mothership) Hallucination Corruption Contaminate has to be timed perfectly, and it is impossible to stop pre 10min timings with Contaminate, simply because Zerg does not have it. Nydus takes a whole lot of gas and the worm itself has small amount of HPs. Recall is being used when needed, but Toss rather save up for 2 Vortexes if it is really late late game. Hallucination is used to a certain degree, to get scouting information and MAYBE even force a Zerg player to overreact with air defenses. Corruption has a relatively small range, but it is still frequently used. | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
On August 11 2012 05:27 Forikorder wrote: why do terrans not use Ravens? much more important question Because the raven is an expensive unit, and often out of our tech path. Our starports are often reactored to get medivacs or vkings out quickly. The Raven on the other hand is expensive gas and mineral wise. And it has like 3 upgrades all of which are not very cheap. And you need a ton of energy to get anything. That is why terrans do not use it. | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
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Nymphaceae
United States350 Posts
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OptimusYale
Korea (South)1005 Posts
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