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I'd really like some high tier zergs opinions in why zerg's aren't using contaminate.
An overseer costs 50/50 and no supply. What does contaminate? it prevents you from spending your minerals on what you want for 30 SECONDS and it makes a terran UNABLE to REPAIR the building. Contaminate energy cost= 125 energy. And overseer starts with 50 energy.
So many people whine about the new unit in Hots "oracle" what does the oracale? it prevents you from mining. What does contaminate? it prevents you from spending the minerals and gas on what you want.
This spell can allow zerg players to create their own timing windows and also delay current meta game timings and all ins, so this can basically change the meta game. You actually don't need alot of overseers. You can contaminate different tech structures such as roboes to delay 2 base collosus all ins, you can delay upgrades from your opponent, this can even allow you to catch up and get ahead in upgrades if you're on top of your contaminates.
Of course the overseer can also give you good scouting by moving it and using the changelings.
This is a thing that i've NEVER seen in a competetive match or on ladder or anywhere, but this just seems very strong to me. I may be totally wrong about this, it's just something i came to think of, i was thinking about the oracle and i realised that the overseer is actually very similar, prevents you from spending your minerals, the oracle prevents you from getting your minerals, seems similar to me and strong. And also the overseer is cheap, especially in lategame when zerg gets a good bank. You can do tons of tricky stuff with this since you can contaminate every building i think. The overseer is also very fast and if you get the speed upgrade it gets a 2.75 movement speed. SICK!
Sorry for long post
and for curious people:
I'm High master Terran on EU.
NOTE: I WAS WRONG SCVS CAN STILL REPAIR CONTAMINATED BUILDINGS. Sry for that ^-^
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I would say people don't even think about it. It definitely is worth using in the midgame, but I don't think it has much merit lategame when there are 30 gateways/barracks. Zerg though, it may or may not be very effective depending on the moment(s) you contaminate, since they might have a lot of larvae saved up anyway.
Using it to prevent immortals from coming out when you're expecting a 2 base allin could be pretty neat. I do agree it should be used, and would strongly disagree with anyone if they said it's not good enough or worth the cost.
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why do terrans not use Ravens?
much more important question
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On August 11 2012 05:24 Wakimomo wrote:
SECONDS and it makes a terran UNABLE to REPAIR the building.
Wow.
I can honestly say that i had no idea it kept buildings from being repaired.
That would make it extremely helpful when trying to push a PF or some expo you're trying to snipe
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Yeah but entomb encases several minerals while contaminate stops one building. High-profile buildings are also often in harder to reach locations than minerals. I think people have kind of forgotten about contaminate though tbh.
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Give unit-consume (0.5 energy per 1 unit health) ability for Overseer. Problem solved.
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I think top players will start using it, especially in combination with timing attacks. Right now most people's actions and, more importantly, attentions are used doing all the normal things - injects, creep, overlords spread, etc. Wait till people get even better at this game!
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Only 3 range 
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Idra was using contaminate on his stream to delay mothership from Protoss.
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Contaminate should be used more there is no questiion about it, I remember this game DRG vs NaNi if I'm not mistaken on Dual Sight if I'm not mistaken, DRG delayed Collossus tech forever with Overseers and destroyed NaNi.
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On August 11 2012 05:30 Scrubwave wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 05:27 Forikorder wrote:
why do terrans not use Ravens?
much more important question Because it's very mediocre if not bad.
Wait until pros start using it in every game, it won't be so mediocre then.
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Its amazing vs PF I guess.
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I used it once in a while before the nerf. Now I just dont stumble over a few high energy overseer like i used to. But at the time it was more like a "might as well" thing than a planned strat. I think there was a funday monday a long time ago that were focused on contaminate, it was pretty sweet.
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any core building is in the back where you have to pass through the entire army. It can be used but you're probably going to lose the overseer every time you attempt to use it. 150/150 and having to remake the overlord doesn't seem that incredible besides a few situations. If a guy is sitting in his base teching to collussi I'm pretty sure he has enough stalkers to stop overseers from contaminating.
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I could see it most useful on a PF to stop it from being repaired.
Other than that... dropping changelings for scouting purposes seems more useful (or, at least, it's done more frequently in pro games than contaminate).
Regardless, eventually I'm sure we'll see the pros keep overseer's energy low, one way or another.
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On August 11 2012 05:34 Scrubwave wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 05:33 apm66 wrote:On August 11 2012 05:30 Scrubwave wrote:On August 11 2012 05:27 Forikorder wrote:
why do terrans not use Ravens?
much more important question Because it's very mediocre if not bad. Wait until pros start using it in every game, it won't be so mediocre then. Hahaha, what the hell? Shouldn't you take this raven gud bs to some other thread to have your "arguments" get destroyed there?
Ravens are fine, just because you don't/ can't use them doesn't mean they are bad. HSM is excellent, PDD is a good support spell, auto turret provides a harass capability and it's a detector. What else do you want, for it to fly!?
On topic, I play Z and I honistly just forget about contaminate, I didn't know about the repair thing but now I'll make an effort to use it. I would have thought ZvZ would see the most use, followed by PvZ (delay warp gate on an FFE while going mutas to justify the fast lair?
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Inject, Tumor movement, and general gameplay taking much of the APM.
I wish pros would use Contaminate and Transfuse a bit more effectively.
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On August 11 2012 05:30 Scrubwave wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 05:27 Forikorder wrote:
why do terrans not use Ravens?
much more important question Because it's very mediocre if not bad. On topic: I have a hard time understanding this as well. 50/50 for being able to delay siege tech, colo range, blink, storm or production in general seems like a great ability. But no one ever blamed sc2 zerg players for being too innovative and for right reasons.
for the price of ONE RAVEN you can say yourself dozens of scans saving you thousands of minerals
with those minerals you can have a much larger army and without there speed bonus the zerg cant win, especialy when you HSM all there infesters
everything LOOKS good on paper, if you honestly think no zerg has ever tried to use contaminate your foolingyourself, there was a period in Zvz people used contanimate alot but they stopped because the spell is not useful
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