EPTCNN article on SC2 and gaming addiction in Korea - Page 6
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Kyrillion
Russian Federation748 Posts
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On August 05 2012 18:28 Rabiator wrote: Oh c'mon and think. Do you really think that eSports is as valid as "real sports"? Sure it is entertaining to watch pro players play their games and to play yourself, BUT did you think about the consequences of eSports for their participants? Take any korean kid from the B-team (and there should be a lot of them) and now tell me which useful things playing Starcraft has taught them for their future life? Which skill did they gain? I cant really see anything, because clicking fast isnt something terribly useful. So (in Starcraft terms): What do you transition into after spending 4-5 years semi-not-so-successful with playing a computer game? Thats the whole problem of eSports. The top pros will have made enough money and fame to support them and give them viable alternatives within the industry, but the spots there are VERY LIMITED and are occupied for much longer than a pro gamer career. There is no semi-usefulness for those not-top-players in other professions as there is in real sports. I know a guy who played football in 4th league (and he wasnt really an amateur during the time) and he is now a teacher with sports as one of his classes. ESports has no such transition and thus it is good if it doesnt grow too big. The years of 16-24 are very important for a human, because that is the time when you are able to learn new things easy. After that it will become harder and "wasting it" on a "trivial game" (which wont help you in your later 40-60 years) isnt a wise thing to do. ---- Computer games - as a whole - are entertaining to play, but as always there is a limit to when it becomes a bad thing. There was a guy 500 years ago who nailed that perfectly: Paracelsus (born Philippus Aureolus Theophrastus Bombastus von Hohenheim, 11 November or 17 December 1493 – 24 September 1541) This is one of the major pieces of wisdom which a human has ever come up with and it applies to EVERYTHING IN LIFE. So dont be a spoiled four year old who starts to cry when mommy calls him home from the sandbox and think about eSports rationally and calmly. This could be said about any athletic sports though, if a guy decides to dedicate all his time on running and for the longest time shows promises but never makes it and after 5 years has nothing to show for it. Your argument can be applied to any field within sports really, its not in any way unique for Esports. | ||
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Azelja
Japan762 Posts
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
On August 05 2012 19:00 Rabiator wrote: "Its a new thing" is a terrible excuse. NEW =/= GOOD NEW =/= USEFULL NEW =/= BETTER THAN THE OLD It only MIGHT BE any of the above, but it has to PROVE IT first! Thats one wisdom from me ... and thus I ask you to prove that it is worth it to grow as big as regular sports, which I doubt due to several reasons: a) Look at the ton of injuries which plague all those who started playing early. Almost everyone has carpal tunnel syndrome, because what does a kid of 12 do when an adult tells him to "sit straight ..."? Exactly the opposite. It isnt "fun" to have your wrists hurt sometimes for the rest of your life and thus it is a terrible idea. I know mine hurt really bad sometimes and I cant work at my job as a layouter every once in a while. For real sports you will usually have a trainer who can help to prevent injuries and in any case the usual injuries are "macro injuries" which are treated much easier than any chronic injuries in your arms. b) The financial bad situation for progamers you mentioned yourself already. c) Kids need to develop their SOCIAL SKILLS by meeting real people during puberty and that excludes playing games the whole time because of the unused senses as I explained above. The reason I said it's a new thing is because, it's not accepted in our society. I'm not saying it should, or that it shouldn't, only that it COULD be. If it is the level of acceptance could be the same to that of regular sports. There arren't many injuries, CTS is the main one, maybe back pain. Both of these things can be negated with appropriate measures(most mouses/keyboards are very ergonomic now, sitting properly on the chair etc). It's a valid point about injuries, but just as you said it can be dealt with if you know how/someone helps you, like a trainer. Financial problems are due to the niche community that is gaming(let's admit it, we're really not that big) I get it what you're trying to say, CURRENTLY it's bad - I'm not saying it's not. There arren't many people who get into gaming because of money, those that do probably think it's the only thing they can do. I just think that any mentions of money are in vain at this time, it's a problem of today but maybe not of tomorrow. Lots of BW teams and even SlayerS in SC2 have physical exercising every day, helps with health issues that might arise by over-gaming. And just like that maybe some time could be set aside for the socializing. I know it's a big stretch, but just a thing to consider. Before I say what I'll say, I highly respect regular sports...but how many people can you say train a specific thing for 12-16hours like the SC pros(mostly reffering to BW guys)? SC pros train so much that it's insane, you can make a case that gaming whole day is way easier than running all day because of physical strain..but consider the mental ones as well. Great willpower is needed for this kind of training and dedication, I just think koreans got it to a whole new level compared to [MOST] regular sports. I don't see many clubs training football all day, not even every day(they could, the training would be less effective but it's same with SC). Asian mentality>western! Many of the things you've written are things you have to consider as sacrifice, it's same in sports but in my opinion not to such extent as SC. When you dedicate every non-sleeping hour of your day to one thing, that's just respect worthy. ...or it's addiction like CNN says. | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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Shantastic
United States435 Posts
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LennoxPM
Lithuania84 Posts
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Spidinko
Slovakia1174 Posts
On August 05 2012 19:51 LennoxPM wrote: "Just before the 19-minute mark, Kas ambushed MarineKing on his side of the city. A flurry of insect-like alien creatures swarmed his human base and started pecking away at it." - they really got their facts straight. That's a pivotal part of the report, of course. | ||
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lem0ncake
England85 Posts
On August 05 2012 20:08 Spidinko wrote: That's a pivotal part of the report, of course. If someone writes an article on whatever subject, it's not unreasonable to expect the author to carry out some proper research and have an understanding of the topic. | ||
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Thrombozyt
Germany1269 Posts
On August 05 2012 20:16 lem0ncake wrote: If someone writes an article on whatever subject, it's not unreasonable to expect the author to carry out some proper research and have an understanding of the topic. Or at least watch the game and realize, that the players both have the same faction. | ||
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Kyrillion
Russian Federation748 Posts
Or at least watch the game and realize, that the players both have the same faction. Err, it seems more likely they saw a TvZ and simply got confused in the names. | ||
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-CheekyDuck-
Australia398 Posts
also mkp story bought a tear to my eye. | ||
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Shantastic
United States435 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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mRandy
Sweden146 Posts
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Kyrillion
Russian Federation748 Posts
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spirates
Sweden148 Posts
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
Good article, very interesting how gaming addiction IS so big in korea. I think it's a very interesting topic. | ||
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LGStarcraft
United States40 Posts
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GoSuChicken
Germany1726 Posts
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