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The article wasn't that bad at all honestly.
You can't reasonably expect everyone to look at games as a super-exciting next generation athletic discipline and the best thing since sliced bread as the various esports-based media try to present it (which they have to do in order to actually sell it).
From an outsider perspective, this is a fairly reasonable way of looking at the phenomenon.
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On August 05 2012 14:35 justinpal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 14:28 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 05 2012 14:25 justinpal wrote:On August 05 2012 14:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 05 2012 14:19 justinpal wrote:I don't think the author understands gaming culture very well. The match didn't last long. After setting up a base in the northeast corner of the map, MarineKing sent foot soldiers to root out his opponent's headquarters -- a glowing blue pyramid spitting out blue termites -- and blew the whole thing up before the 10-minute mark. His coach nodded approvingly and walked away. MarineKing paid no attention to the press photographers leaning over a rail to snap pictures.
He was busy surfing the Internet, looking at pictures of pigtail-wearing Korean pop stars. Then he quickly moved on to another round of "StarCraft" -- not because of the competition, really.
He just wanted -- or needed -- to keep playing. Or he's just dumbing it down for his audience like any intelligent writer who knows what the hell they're doing would? Yeah, he sent marines with 1/1 upgrades for a timing attack and marine split his marines on creep sounds really good to an audience. I was more referring to the article and the second part of the quote, I guess my comment wasn't clear. But, the part where they obsess over the fact that he types go or 1a2a3a4a as an indication of his addiction. I'm pretty certain there are a large number of players that do just that. No, that's clearly not what the writer meant at all. "much like a pianist would when warming up." is the phrase they used. If anything they're highlighting MKP's career and achievements as something good and productive. Ah, I cbf to read the entire thing. I read it as he was so addicted that he needed his fix and was anxious to get started. I see that part you mentioned, and I disagree that they were highlighting anything. Rather the author acknowledges this is an anxious warm-up. The way it's written is meant for you to think: "Wow, he really wants to play." He stated the number of times he typed go. I know nothing about MKP and his family so it can all be true. But, I have my doubts.
And the author never actually gives the timeframe in which he typed go 59 times, It could have been 30 seconds or 10 minutes.
I guess articles like this will exist when there is an outsider looking in and writing about it for people who are also outsiders
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as soon as i saw the title i just sighed.
HEY KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN
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On August 05 2012 16:37 Talin wrote: The article wasn't that bad at all honestly.
You can't reasonably expect everyone to look at games as a super-exciting next generation athletic discipline and the best thing since sliced bread as the various esports-based media try to present it (which they have to do in order to actually sell it).
From an outsider perspective, this is a fairly reasonable way of looking at the phenomenon. No it's not...
As long as articles like this keep on portraying gaming as nothing but just another form of shooting up heroin, gaming won't ever be accepted as something good.
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I read MKP's gaming addiction is tearing his family apart. wut
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Nice propaganda, cnn joins BBC ^^
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What stupid sensationalism shit. it's brown shit smeared over brown paper. "Gaming's Dark Side" "Addicts who literally play till until they die"
this is gold : "MKP... cared more about proving to his parents, and to himself, that he was not addicted to the video game"
LOL https://twitter.com/jdsutter <- joke of a writer
it's disgusting because 90% of the story sounds like it was pulled completely out of his ass.
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The worst thing on the CNN article was the comments section. Nothing says "obsessive compulsive disorder" as strongly as a chat or a comments section full of zealots whining about the legitimacy of e-sports, complaining about the portrait of gaming as an addiction or nitpicking details on an article. The CNN article was pretty fair and chose to focus on a more intimate story line. It was your typical story of a young man following his "crazy" dream, and how the parents come to understand he was not going to be a doctor or a lawyer, but the best at something "strange" like e-sports or x-games. E-sports fan should collect themselves and stop writing like aspergers patients. They are the worst ambassadors of e-sports
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On August 05 2012 16:46 Imagine42 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 16:37 Talin wrote: The article wasn't that bad at all honestly.
You can't reasonably expect everyone to look at games as a super-exciting next generation athletic discipline and the best thing since sliced bread as the various esports-based media try to present it (which they have to do in order to actually sell it).
From an outsider perspective, this is a fairly reasonable way of looking at the phenomenon. No it's not... As long as articles like this keep on portraying gaming as nothing but just another form of shooting up heroin, gaming won't ever be accepted as something good.
If that's the message you got from the article I would suggest you read it again. Also, the writer specifically states the 'dark' and 'light' side of gaming which obviously do exist. In Korea game addiction is actually a serious problem though, guess why there's entire clinics dedicated to it.
Any1 that doesn't know much about E-sports and even most people that do will agree that playing videogames for 10-14 hours per day isn't healthy for any1 and pro's are only able to keep up that schedule because of the teamhouse environment and mandatory physical excercise. But some random kid sitting alone in his room the entire day playing random games or trying to become pro is pretty fked up for your health.
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Why did he portrait Kas as playing Zerg?
Just before the 19-minute mark, Kas ambushed MarineKing on his side of the city. A flurry of insect-like alien creatures swarmed his human base and started pecking away at it.
MarineKing couldn't recover. His base exploded.
The only beef I have is that this article reads a lot like someone looking down on gaming and explaining his disdain.. obviously not paying attention to details...
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On August 05 2012 14:25 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 14:21 Wegandi wrote:On August 05 2012 14:18 Zzoram wrote: Where are the articles about American Football addiction and how 4 players die each year from football on average, never mind the thousands of concussions that can lead to permanent brain damage? It's only an addiction when they disagree with your personal behavior. If you play a physical sport like say, football, or baseball for 5+ hours everyday, you're lauded. If you study math or science for 10+ hours a day, you're lauded. God forbid, you were a unique individual with their own likes and desires instead of some tabula rasa for them to mold to their own ends. Never ceases, does it? ? Dumb comparison. Most people can't play physical sports as long for as long as someone can play a video game (and addicts can play all day), and someone who studies actually benefits from it? Wtf? Are we really comparing the productivity of studying math and science to that of playing a video game here? Let me know how that looks on a college application. TL is really out of touch it seems these days.. 1-Just because the human body has physical limitations it doesn't impede people from spending their off time thinking about their sport or essentially dedicating every waking hour to things that are related to it. 2-Actually, I have an example of "addiction" to studying right here in my home, my father hasn't worked or put even a dime inside the house for roughly 15+ years and kept studying math and a lot of other stuff for long periods, every single day, without ever trying to apply it to anything useful whatsoever, anything and everything can be an addiction.Bad arguments debunked, send in the next ones.
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On August 05 2012 16:46 Imagine42 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 16:37 Talin wrote: The article wasn't that bad at all honestly.
You can't reasonably expect everyone to look at games as a super-exciting next generation athletic discipline and the best thing since sliced bread as the various esports-based media try to present it (which they have to do in order to actually sell it).
From an outsider perspective, this is a fairly reasonable way of looking at the phenomenon. No it's not... As long as articles like this keep on portraying gaming as nothing but just another form of shooting up heroin, gaming won't ever be accepted as something good.
That isn't really what the article does at all. It's fairly open-ended and doesn't pass the final verdict one way or the other, but illustrates both sides of progaming - mass gaming bordering on addiction on one hand, and personal accomplishment, fame and financial success on the other.
Second, you're implying that mass gaming needs to be accepted as "something good", whereas it really doesn't. It is not good. Arguably it's not bad either. It's just something that certain people enjoy. That doesn't mean it needs to be accepted and respected by everyone, especially when there are so many gray areas and extreme cases.
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On August 05 2012 17:50 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 14:25 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 05 2012 14:21 Wegandi wrote:On August 05 2012 14:18 Zzoram wrote: Where are the articles about American Football addiction and how 4 players die each year from football on average, never mind the thousands of concussions that can lead to permanent brain damage? It's only an addiction when they disagree with your personal behavior. If you play a physical sport like say, football, or baseball for 5+ hours everyday, you're lauded. If you study math or science for 10+ hours a day, you're lauded. God forbid, you were a unique individual with their own likes and desires instead of some tabula rasa for them to mold to their own ends. Never ceases, does it? ? Dumb comparison. Most people can't play physical sports as long for as long as someone can play a video game (and addicts can play all day), and someone who studies actually benefits from it? Wtf? Are we really comparing the productivity of studying math and science to that of playing a video game here? Let me know how that looks on a college application. TL is really out of touch it seems these days.. 1-Just because the human body has physical limitations it doesn't impede people from spending their off time thinking about their sport or essentially dedicating every waking hour to things that are related to it. 2-Actually, I have an example of "addiction" to studying right here in my home, my father hasn't worked or put even a dime inside the house for roughly 15+ years and kept studying math and a lot of other stuff for long periods, every single day, without ever trying to apply it to anything useful whatsoever, anything and everything can be an addiction.Bad arguments debunked, send in the next ones. Addiction to studying math? Glad I don't have that one.
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The "text" article is so badly "written", using "quotation" marks far too often and at "inappropriate" places.
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Try playing world of warcraft, and try playing Starcraft 2. In WoW, you get lost in their world and try to constantly improve your character. It really is like an alternate life, just like maplestory or any game in similar genre. You will no doubt get addicted and want to keep playing if that world is better than the one you currently live in...
Now try playing starcraft, and you are completely frustrated at how the mechanics work. It really takes a conscious effort to keep playing and improving to be better than you are now. This has a lot less chance to cause an addiction...
Taking this into account, do kids that constantly play this game really get addicted? Soccer in the slums of Brazil is seen as the only way out; to escape their harsh reality and go on to stardom and fame. In South Korea, the education is unbelievably hard and many fail to make the jobs and careers they want, and so starcraft is all they have left. Kids may realise this from a young age and try to play as much as they can, hoping that they too can make it big just like their idols Boxer, Nada and so on.
....or, you know,,, they might just play it because its fun
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Fucking mainstream news always sensationalising things just for page hits and more ad revenue. Makes me sick. CNN are as bad as FOX News now.
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2-Actually, I have an example of "addiction" to studying right here in my home, my father hasn't worked or put even a dime inside the house for roughly 15+ years and kept studying math and a lot of other stuff for long periods, every single day, without ever trying to apply it to anything useful whatsoever, anything and everything can be an addiction.Bad arguments debunked, send in the next ones.
Your father must be awesome.
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Typical mainstream media BS. One of the reasons I don't watch the mainstream news anymore...It's ridiculous!
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On August 05 2012 18:11 lem0ncake wrote: Fucking mainstream news always sensationalising things just for page hits and more ad revenue. Makes me sick. CNN are as bad as FOX News now. hey...don't go too far
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This was horrible to read, there are some good points but the high bias makes it horrible.
It seems that the article's main goal is to make gaming look bad. It's no wonder that there is this certain stigma attached to spending time with computers when even media tries to make it look bad.
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