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On August 05 2012 14:33 PlosionCornu wrote:
Sc2 is one of the less addictive games around in my opinion...
Yeah... StarCraft 2 has what, 5 million sold games... of that maybe a few thousand play it with the hopes of going somewhere with it. StarCraft, if anything, removes any addiction except for the addition to strive and compete to better yourself. Anyone who wants something addictive would play MMO's etc... I wonder how many parents are going to read this and be so ignorant as to what is really going on that they're like "Starcraft is the bane of my son(or daughter's) existence!"
I think they might want to pay more attention to kids addiction to stupidity rather than video gaming and no they do not go hand and hand^^
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On August 05 2012 14:21 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 14:18 Zzoram wrote:
Where are the articles about American Football addiction and how 4 players die each year from football on average, never mind the thousands of concussions that can lead to permanent brain damage? It's only an addiction when they disagree with your personal behavior. If you play a physical sport like say, football, or baseball for 5+ hours everyday, you're lauded. If you study math or science for 10+ hours a day, you're lauded. God forbid, you were a unique individual with their own likes and desires instead of some tabula rasa for them to mold to their own ends. Never ceases, does it?
This was pretty much my argument when I first began discussing e-sports with my folks.
Once upon a time, Rock music wasn't real music, shooting hoops outside, spending a lot of time drawing, collecting comic books, writing blogs, skateboarding, etc.: was a waste of time, the examples are endless of people doing what they love despite disdain from others that don't understand them and creating brand new industries and art forms that hadn't existed before and now those people are heroes.
Gaming is no different. There's a rich vibrant e-sports culture that's global now that supports itself and the level of passion and excitement I've witnessed at live events are enough to change anyone's mind.
The fact we're STILL at the point in society where we're willing to criticize what other people devote their time and energy to is just depressing to me. You'd think we'd have moved past it by now.
At the end of the day though, I don't care if it takes CNN a long time to figure it out. I already know there's something real, worth supporting in e-sports already and if it takes a long time for the old people to figure it out to then so be it.
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Gaming addiction is interfering with the time people spend consuming news media. It must be stopped at all costs.
Here's to hoping they release a medication to "treat" gaming addiction. LOL
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On August 05 2012 14:35 justinpal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 14:28 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 05 2012 14:25 justinpal wrote:On August 05 2012 14:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 05 2012 14:19 justinpal wrote:I don't think the author understands gaming culture very well. The match didn't last long. After setting up a base in the northeast corner of the map, MarineKing sent foot soldiers to root out his opponent's headquarters -- a glowing blue pyramid spitting out blue termites -- and blew the whole thing up before the 10-minute mark. His coach nodded approvingly and walked away. MarineKing paid no attention to the press photographers leaning over a rail to snap pictures.
He was busy surfing the Internet, looking at pictures of pigtail-wearing Korean pop stars. Then he quickly moved on to another round of "StarCraft" -- not because of the competition, really.
He just wanted -- or needed -- to keep playing. Or he's just dumbing it down for his audience like any intelligent writer who knows what the hell they're doing would? Yeah, he sent marines with 1/1 upgrades for a timing attack and marine split his marines on creep sounds really good to an audience. I was more referring to the article and the second part of the quote, I guess my comment wasn't clear. But, the part where they obsess over the fact that he types go or 1a2a3a4a as an indication of his addiction. I'm pretty certain there are a large number of players that do just that. No, that's clearly not what the writer meant at all. "much like a pianist would when warming up." is the phrase they used. If anything they're highlighting MKP's career and achievements as something good and productive. Ah, I cbf to read the entire thing. I read it as he was so addicted that he needed his fix and was anxious to get started. I see that part you mentioned, and I disagree that they were highlighting anything. Rather the author acknowledges this is an anxious warm-up. The way it's written is meant for you to think: "Wow, he really wants to play." He stated the number of times he typed go. I know nothing about MKP and his family so it can all be true. But, I have my doubts.
I think people are getting the wrong idea about this article, and even though it's up to interpretation -- what I get out of it is the teeter totter that is pro gaming and addiction and a video game being able to take away from your life. This is the line that really caught my attention "Pros, however, find a magical balance. They're obsessed with the game, maybe, but their playing of it isn't depressive, meandering and hopeless. They're chasing after a goal." All in all, it was an interesting read, bias or not, and MKP's life wasn't all smilies and laughs.
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Yeah the article wasnt all vidya game bashing.
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On August 05 2012 14:33 PlosionCornu wrote:
Sc2 is one of the less addictive games around in my opinion...
Meh, it depends. I played for like 12 hours a couple days ago lol. It's addicting but it's an isolated type of game where the only "leveling" is getting higher on ladder. I think a lot of games like Maplestory are addicting because it's just instant gratification over and over with small little achievements, whereas the only achievement for SC2 is winning a game that can take 15 minutes and be very frustrating.
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It's a really good article IMO. Very critical and it shows both sides of the gaming world.
There's a few mistakes here and there, but if you forget those they summed up nicely how it's like being a progamer in Korea and the differences between Korean culture and Western culture.
I like that the writer seems objective, maybe a little bit negative but he covers both the good and the 'bad' sides of gaming really well.
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On August 05 2012 14:40 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 14:21 Wegandi wrote:On August 05 2012 14:18 Zzoram wrote:
Where are the articles about American Football addiction and how 4 players die each year from football on average, never mind the thousands of concussions that can lead to permanent brain damage? It's only an addiction when they disagree with your personal behavior. If you play a physical sport like say, football, or baseball for 5+ hours everyday, you're lauded. If you study math or science for 10+ hours a day, you're lauded. God forbid, you were a unique individual with their own likes and desires instead of some tabula rasa for them to mold to their own ends. Never ceases, does it? This was pretty much my argument when I first began discussing e-sports with my folks. Once upon a time, Rock music wasn't real music, shooting hoops outside, spending a lot of time drawing, collecting comic books, writing blogs, skateboarding, etc.: was a waste of time, the examples are endless of people doing what they love despite disdain from others that don't understand them and creating brand new industries and art forms that hadn't existed before and now those people are heroes. Gaming is no different. There's a rich vibrant e-sports culture that's global now that supports itself and the level of passion and excitement I've witnessed at live events are enough to change anyone's mind. The fact we're STILL at the point in society where we're willing to criticize what other people devote their time and energy to is just depressing to me. You'd think we'd have moved past it by now. At the end of the day though, I don't care if it takes CNN a long time to figure it out. I already know there's something real, worth supporting in e-sports already and if it takes a long time for the old people to figure it out to then so be it.
It's just funny that separated by thousands of miles, me and MKP had the exact same childhood experience. My parents also disapproved of me playing Red Alert so much, and I used to get up in the middle of the night (almost every night), and tip toe to the computer fire up the dial-up and play Red Alert until school. :p
Some of the best times of my life. I actually won a crappy camera/web cam thing way back in the mid 90s from Westwood Studios for being on the top of their ladder. (Most of the top players never played on the ladder and we used to just troll it from time to time...like seriously the top 25...so bad. No one used Q, etc. :p)
Now, if I only I could muster the same passion for SC2....
The good thing though, is that you can take your experiences and learn from them so you don't do the same things to your children. I fully intend to support what makes my future children happy.
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wow this is retarded, i think cnn should be more concerned with concussions in professional football, another football player committed suicide again just the other day, concussions in professional football are getting out of control and is killing people and the ones that don't commit suicide are left with severe depression and other problems that result from that. Quit worrying about kids playing video games in some tournaments, worry about something more important like concussions in professional football.
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Article isn't a terrible read.
I find it sad that Korean parents seem to only accept gaming after their son becomes famous.
Certainly gaming can be an addiction if it controls your life negatively.
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They are writing to a CNN audience, not us. For my part, I had no idea about MKP's story with his parents. Furthermore, the article gets to that point where it makes the difference between a pro-gamer and an addict. That will hardly be convincing to a skeptic, but it's a little in the right direction.
It's not that bad and certainly not that surprising when CNN or Fox News have a negative slant on video games. Besides, there are people who are addicted, although I don't consider it nearly as bad of an addiction as anything drug or sex related.
The article does seem to get a bunch of Starcraft facts way off, and where there was a choice, a slightly more negative connotation was used, like with termites. I'm sure you can find an audience friendly word besides that. Getting actual facts correct aside, the negative bias is just feeding their audience, but at least they extend a slim door of hope.
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"using gamer-speak to tell him he was ready for battle.
"go?" he wrote through an in-game chat program."
Dat gamer-speak.
Not a terrible article, painful at times, but don't forget sc2 is pretty damn confusing at a first look.
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The entire topic of addiction in this article develops such a negative vibe around this article. The author is probably hurting eSports more than they have helped it...
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On August 05 2012 14:49 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 14:40 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 05 2012 14:21 Wegandi wrote:On August 05 2012 14:18 Zzoram wrote:
Where are the articles about American Football addiction and how 4 players die each year from football on average, never mind the thousands of concussions that can lead to permanent brain damage? It's only an addiction when they disagree with your personal behavior. If you play a physical sport like say, football, or baseball for 5+ hours everyday, you're lauded. If you study math or science for 10+ hours a day, you're lauded. God forbid, you were a unique individual with their own likes and desires instead of some tabula rasa for them to mold to their own ends. Never ceases, does it? This was pretty much my argument when I first began discussing e-sports with my folks. Once upon a time, Rock music wasn't real music, shooting hoops outside, spending a lot of time drawing, collecting comic books, writing blogs, skateboarding, etc.: was a waste of time, the examples are endless of people doing what they love despite disdain from others that don't understand them and creating brand new industries and art forms that hadn't existed before and now those people are heroes. Gaming is no different. There's a rich vibrant e-sports culture that's global now that supports itself and the level of passion and excitement I've witnessed at live events are enough to change anyone's mind. The fact we're STILL at the point in society where we're willing to criticize what other people devote their time and energy to is just depressing to me. You'd think we'd have moved past it by now. At the end of the day though, I don't care if it takes CNN a long time to figure it out. I already know there's something real, worth supporting in e-sports already and if it takes a long time for the old people to figure it out to then so be it. It's just funny that separated by thousands of miles, me and MKP had the exact same childhood experience. My parents also disapproved of me playing Red Alert so much, and I used to get up in the middle of the night (almost every night), and tip toe to the computer fire up the dial-up and play Red Alert until school. :p Some of the best times of my life. I actually won a crappy camera/web cam thing way back in the mid 90s from Westwood Studios for being on the top of their ladder. (Most of the top players never played on the ladder and we used to just troll it from time to time...like seriously the top 25...so bad. No one used Q, etc. :p) Now, if I only I could muster the same passion for SC2.... The good thing though, is that you can take your experiences and learn from them so you don't do the same things to your children. I fully intend to support what makes my future children happy.
Did you ever play on that westwood beta server where you could link up to I believe it was 8 players? I remember playing this map XGems and that being my first real taste of competitive RTS. All of those player's gameplays were so refined, and for being like the age of 12 or whatever I was extremely overwhelmed but eventually started doing really well :D
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There was some hating going on, but it wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be. They brought the competitiveness and professionalism of Korean E-Sports in the spotlight. I liked how they tried to point out the differences in the players' styles, and the sportsmanship that MKP showed in the end. It might win over a reader or two, who knows.
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Wow marineking sounds like a psycho in this article. Typical mainstream media outlet, what did you expect? Most of what the average person knows about gaming is Mario, high scores, and gaming addiction.
It had a strong negative connotation but it wasn't as bad as I expected.
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Ugh that qoute is so unnecessarily polar and misguided. That being said I doubt SC2 is that addictive compared to a lot of the FPS/MMOs that are available in PC bangs.
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Play video games for 6-8 hours a day and you are an addict
Work 8-12 hours a day for your entire life on a job you probably will grow to hate and you are a worker bee contributing member of society.
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Something that I would really like all gaming/esports/gaming addiction articles to do is explicitly state that it is the JOB of people who play professionally to play the game and that the time put in practising is DIRECTLY RELATED to skill. I'm glad that this article stated his earnings at least.
I really didn't like the part where they stated how many times he said "go" and made it seem like he NEEDED to play (later saying "He just wanted -- or needed -- to keep playing"). In reality he was probably anxious/nervous and wanted to just get into the game. The first time I played a pro I was super nervous, so I can't imagine how it feels to play in WCG. lol
As another guy said half way up the page - "Piss poor article." At some points, anyway.
^^^ I love the guy above me.
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It's hilarious when a writer writes about something they pretty clearly know nothing about, not just about a game but the entire culture that surrounds it.
It's also equally as hilarious as when from word one you know how the writer feels about this subject, throwing all form of journalism objectivity out the window.
Oh, and as a final note, you cannot be addicted to a video game. Game compulsion, sure, addiction, no. Statements like
He quietly unpacked his keyboard at another station and, like a swimmer cooling down in a lap pool -- or an addict looking for one more fix -- started playing the game all over again. is nothing but a ridiculous way to try to connect games to drugs and the like, and it's absolutely stupid.
http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/game-addiction-pt.1 can probably say more about it than I ever would though.
All in all, no reason to even consider the merits of an article like this.
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