On August 05 2012 14:18 Zzoram wrote: Where are the articles about American Football addiction and how 4 players die each year from football on average, never mind the thousands of concussions that can lead to permanent brain damage?
It's only an addiction when they disagree with your personal behavior. If you play a physical sport like say, football, or baseball for 5+ hours everyday, you're lauded. If you study math or science for 10+ hours a day, you're lauded. God forbid, you were a unique individual with their own likes and desires instead of some tabula rasa for them to mold to their own ends. Never ceases, does it?
This was pretty much my argument when I first began discussing e-sports with my folks.
Once upon a time, Rock music wasn't real music, shooting hoops outside, spending a lot of time drawing, collecting comic books, writing blogs, skateboarding, etc.: was a waste of time, the examples are endless of people doing what they love despite disdain from others that don't understand them and creating brand new industries and art forms that hadn't existed before and now those people are heroes.
Gaming is no different. There's a rich vibrant e-sports culture that's global now that supports itself and the level of passion and excitement I've witnessed at live events are enough to change anyone's mind.
The fact we're STILL at the point in society where we're willing to criticize what other people devote their time and energy to is just depressing to me. You'd think we'd have moved past it by now.
At the end of the day though, I don't care if it takes CNN a long time to figure it out. I already know there's something real, worth supporting in e-sports already and if it takes a long time for the old people to figure it out to then so be it.
It's just funny that separated by thousands of miles, me and MKP had the exact same childhood experience. My parents also disapproved of me playing Red Alert so much, and I used to get up in the middle of the night (almost every night), and tip toe to the computer fire up the dial-up and play Red Alert until school. :p
Some of the best times of my life. I actually won a crappy camera/web cam thing way back in the mid 90s from Westwood Studios for being on the top of their ladder. (Most of the top players never played on the ladder and we used to just troll it from time to time...like seriously the top 25...so bad. No one used Q, etc. :p)
Now, if I only I could muster the same passion for SC2....
The good thing though, is that you can take your experiences and learn from them so you don't do the same things to your children. I fully intend to support what makes my future children happy.
Did you ever play on that westwood beta server where you could link up to I believe it was 8 players? I remember playing this map XGems and that being my first real taste of competitive RTS. All of those player's gameplays were so refined, and for being like the age of 12 or whatever I was extremely overwhelmed but eventually started doing really well :D
Nope. I'm just an old school WOL guy who played Cases Ladder and the gaming community/league Global Domination with folks like DOJACLICK, Nezz, and Dadogenij. HJK6 is probably the greatest map ever made :p
Yeah, my first real taste of competitive RTS was in Global Domination. My first 200 or so games I think I won like ten...Those were the days. I started when I was 9 or so and played until I was about 15.
Possibly not as bad as I expected but I don't think much of it particularly when some of it is plain wrong.
Just before the 19-minute mark, Kas ambushed MarineKing on his side of the city. A flurry of insect-like alien creatures swarmed his human base and started pecking away at it.
Just before the 19-minute mark, Kas ambushed MarineKing on his side of the city. A flurry of insect-like alien creatures swarmed his human base and started pecking away at it.
Last time I checked Kas wasn't a zerg player.
The reporter probably just doesn't know what the units are. Instead of flaming him on a public forum, you could outreach, email the dude, and educate. Which do you think is going to make gaming more well regarded overall?
And I'm more speaking towards others who have flamed worse. He was probably using a marauder drop, they look pretty damn alien.
On August 05 2012 15:46 cpc wrote: Possibly not as bad as I expected but I don't think much of it particularly when some of it is plain wrong.
Just before the 19-minute mark, Kas ambushed MarineKing on his side of the city. A flurry of insect-like alien creatures swarmed his human base and started pecking away at it.
Last time I checked Kas wasn't a zerg player.
The reporter probably just doesn't know what the units are. Instead of flaming him on a public forum, you could outreach, email the dude, and educate. Which do you think is going to make gaming more well regarded overall?
And I'm more speaking towards others who have flamed worse. He was probably using a marauder drop, they look pretty damn alien.
Last I checked, it is the journalist's job to research what their article is supposed to be about...It isn't like the research for this article was out of reach, or insurmountable. Journalism these days...
The best quote in my opinion: "But there's one difference, he said. Pro gamers usually aren't addicts. Addicts can't succeed on a higher competitive level, he said. The game takes complete control."
Seems better than a lot of mainstream articles on pro-gaming. They point out that most pros aren't actually addicts, they are separate from the maple story kids. They are addicted to their craft in the same way professional athletes or successful scholars are.
Yeah....this honestly is a terrible, terrible article, and I'm not very surprised at the lack of awareness about the game. For some reason I feel like this guy's word choice is flagrantly bad and just wants to cast South Korean gamers in a very bad light. So many negative connotations and just....ugh. I feel dirty after reading it.
On August 05 2012 16:02 ReturnStroke wrote: The best quote in my opinion: "But there's one difference, he said. Pro gamers usually aren't addicts. Addicts can't succeed on a higher competitive level, he said. The game takes complete control."
Jesus, it makes it sound like they're... what's the phrase.. the article said it.. "Junkes looking for a fix." lol
What did you expect this article to be like? To most people in the US, the concept of competitive gaming is very alien, and most people's initial reaction would be something along the lines of "what the hell".
On August 05 2012 14:27 NeMeSiS3 wrote: Possibly the worst thing I've ever read, it felt like the writer was on another fucking planet, I'm going to go write a piece for CNN about athletic addition because apparently striving to improve on a difficult task can equate to playing MAPLE STORY? WHAT THE FUCK. Wait wait wait, I'd fall into the same trap of not knowing a single fucking thing about it.
There needs to really be a restructuring globally on what "news" should or should not be created, because this shit is made for the 40 year old house mom with no clue about the topic at hand, it's one thing to make a completely bias subjective article, its another to do so while not knowing anything in the process.
On August 05 2012 14:19 justinpal wrote: I don't think the author understands gaming culture very well.
The match didn't last long. After setting up a base in the northeast corner of the map, MarineKing sent foot soldiers to root out his opponent's headquarters -- a glowing blue pyramid spitting out blue termites -- and blew the whole thing up before the 10-minute mark. His coach nodded approvingly and walked away. MarineKing paid no attention to the press photographers leaning over a rail to snap pictures.
He was busy surfing the Internet, looking at pictures of pigtail-wearing Korean pop stars. Then he quickly moved on to another round of "StarCraft" -- not because of the competition, really.
He just wanted -- or needed -- to keep playing.
Or he's just dumbing it down for his audience like any intelligent writer who knows what the hell they're doing would? Yeah, he sent marines with 1/1 upgrades for a timing attack and marine split his marines on creep sounds really good to an audience.
"dumbing it down" is one thing, sensationalizing the dumbing process to try and force your reader to only agree with you is another, hell the article starts with "play until they die" ... I could start throwing statistics around about which "sport" has the highest death rates per year of minor players/gamers... I can promise you that video games would be at the rock bottom, seeing as what? 5-10 people have died from "gaming" to much...
ridiculous article, should have been presented by FOX
I'm always amused when people complain about Fox, when CNN, NBC, MSNBC, etc are just as bad.
On August 05 2012 16:02 ReturnStroke wrote: The best quote in my opinion: "But there's one difference, he said. Pro gamers usually aren't addicts. Addicts can't succeed on a higher competitive level, he said. The game takes complete control."
Jesus, it makes it sound like they're... what's the phrase.. the article said it.. "Junkes looking for a fix." lol
Indeed. Which kind of makes the quote I posted feel a bit out of place in the article. But it's there. I'm glad, too.
On August 05 2012 14:27 NeMeSiS3 wrote: Possibly the worst thing I've ever read, it felt like the writer was on another fucking planet, I'm going to go write a piece for CNN about athletic addition because apparently striving to improve on a difficult task can equate to playing MAPLE STORY? WHAT THE FUCK. Wait wait wait, I'd fall into the same trap of not knowing a single fucking thing about it.
There needs to really be a restructuring globally on what "news" should or should not be created, because this shit is made for the 40 year old house mom with no clue about the topic at hand, it's one thing to make a completely bias subjective article, its another to do so while not knowing anything in the process.
"facepalm"
On August 05 2012 14:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On August 05 2012 14:19 justinpal wrote: I don't think the author understands gaming culture very well.
The match didn't last long. After setting up a base in the northeast corner of the map, MarineKing sent foot soldiers to root out his opponent's headquarters -- a glowing blue pyramid spitting out blue termites -- and blew the whole thing up before the 10-minute mark. His coach nodded approvingly and walked away. MarineKing paid no attention to the press photographers leaning over a rail to snap pictures.
He was busy surfing the Internet, looking at pictures of pigtail-wearing Korean pop stars. Then he quickly moved on to another round of "StarCraft" -- not because of the competition, really.
He just wanted -- or needed -- to keep playing.
Or he's just dumbing it down for his audience like any intelligent writer who knows what the hell they're doing would? Yeah, he sent marines with 1/1 upgrades for a timing attack and marine split his marines on creep sounds really good to an audience.
"dumbing it down" is one thing, sensationalizing the dumbing process to try and force your reader to only agree with you is another, hell the article starts with "play until they die" ... I could start throwing statistics around about which "sport" has the highest death rates per year of minor players/gamers... I can promise you that video games would be at the rock bottom, seeing as what? 5-10 people have died from "gaming" to much...
ridiculous article, should have been presented by FOX
I'm always amused when people complain about Fox, when CNN, NBC, MSNBC, etc are just as bad.
CNN is one of the worst at peddling lies for more wars. I can't count the number it's been so many from photoshopping pictures, to outright making sets, etc.
Not singling out anyone in particular, but the over reaction hate towards CNN for a article that doesn't capture eSports 100% perfectly in your own eyes? That's just about as bad as what you think they're doing by comparing Maple Story and SC.
On August 05 2012 14:27 NeMeSiS3 wrote: Possibly the worst thing I've ever read, it felt like the writer was on another fucking planet, I'm going to go write a piece for CNN about athletic addition because apparently striving to improve on a difficult task can equate to playing MAPLE STORY? WHAT THE FUCK. Wait wait wait, I'd fall into the same trap of not knowing a single fucking thing about it.
There needs to really be a restructuring globally on what "news" should or should not be created, because this shit is made for the 40 year old house mom with no clue about the topic at hand, it's one thing to make a completely bias subjective article, its another to do so while not knowing anything in the process.
"facepalm"
On August 05 2012 14:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On August 05 2012 14:19 justinpal wrote: I don't think the author understands gaming culture very well.
The match didn't last long. After setting up a base in the northeast corner of the map, MarineKing sent foot soldiers to root out his opponent's headquarters -- a glowing blue pyramid spitting out blue termites -- and blew the whole thing up before the 10-minute mark. His coach nodded approvingly and walked away. MarineKing paid no attention to the press photographers leaning over a rail to snap pictures.
He was busy surfing the Internet, looking at pictures of pigtail-wearing Korean pop stars. Then he quickly moved on to another round of "StarCraft" -- not because of the competition, really.
He just wanted -- or needed -- to keep playing.
Or he's just dumbing it down for his audience like any intelligent writer who knows what the hell they're doing would? Yeah, he sent marines with 1/1 upgrades for a timing attack and marine split his marines on creep sounds really good to an audience.
"dumbing it down" is one thing, sensationalizing the dumbing process to try and force your reader to only agree with you is another, hell the article starts with "play until they die" ... I could start throwing statistics around about which "sport" has the highest death rates per year of minor players/gamers... I can promise you that video games would be at the rock bottom, seeing as what? 5-10 people have died from "gaming" to much...
ridiculous article, should have been presented by FOX
I'm always amused when people complain about Fox, when CNN, NBC, MSNBC, etc are just as bad.
CNN is one of the worst at peddling lies for more wars. I can't count the number it's been so many from photoshopping pictures, to outright making sets, etc.
That's a classic. The most blatant instance of something like this happen in recent times would have to be the media outlets using photos from Iraq or wherever it was and saying it was civilian mass graves in Syria.
I don't understand the desire to have 'mainstream' acceptance or coverage at all. I guess people don't understand the strings that are attached to it. I would much rather the 'mainstream' come to us than us go to the 'mainstream.'
Gotta keep in mind that we look at professional gaming at a different way then people that don't know much about it. For a CNN article that a ton of people will read that don't know anything about Starcraft I don't think it's that bad. There have been articles that are 100% negative about professional gaming etc, this article just raises understandable questions and tries to answer some of them.
All in all it really isn't that bad for a major newschannel apart from some questionable comparisons.
On August 05 2012 16:24 Probe1 wrote: Not singling out anyone in particular, but the over reaction hate towards CNN for a article that doesn't capture eSports 100% perfectly in your own eyes? That's just about as bad as what you think they're doing by comparing Maple Story and SC.
No no no you have it wrong, It's not because they didn't get it 100%, its because they got it at around 3%... Journalism is researching and knowing your topic, you're suppose to be objective. People are pissed because the writer knew exactly what his story was suppose to be and what it was suppose to look like before he began "researching" and I use that term lightly.
Also your comparison made no sense, how is the comparison between apples and oranges equivalent to plain bad journalism?
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