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Have fun in Team ICA  best of luck nani! <3
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Naniwa and Maj0r should form their own team.
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On July 31 2012 22:06 whiteLotus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 21:34 Mozdk wrote:
Doubt it will be EG. Liquid is possible. But I think a Korean team is more likely. so you dont think it can be EG, but liquid is possible? LMAO. IF anything liquid is IMPOSIBLE, and EG possible.
EG, TL, any korean team are impossible.
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SK seems to be the obvious choice. Its hard to imagine him being on a team with a big rooster again as he seems to cause a lot of chaos. But he also is not the best representation for sponsors. He just tweets how he thinks and is quite unpredictable about how he misbehaves again like in his TSL4 match recently. I am quite curious about what team it will be.
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On July 31 2012 22:33 Yaki wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 22:06 whiteLotus wrote:On July 31 2012 21:34 Mozdk wrote:
Doubt it will be EG. Liquid is possible. But I think a Korean team is more likely. so you dont think it can be EG, but liquid is possible? LMAO. IF anything liquid is IMPOSIBLE, and EG possible. EG, TL, any korean team are impossible.
I don't think there is any chance of nani going to TL. His attitude seems to completely clash with what TL looks for
In players.
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hasnt it been confirmed that he is joining team dignitas?
Edit: NEVURMOIND :D
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best of luck to NaNiwa, forever a fan  wherever he goes, i hope he thrives
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On July 31 2012 22:40 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
hasnt it been confirmed that he is joining team dignitas?
no, what, since when?
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On July 31 2012 22:04 stratmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 21:52 Vaftrudner wrote:On July 31 2012 21:03 stratmatt wrote:On July 31 2012 20:57 Sated wrote:On July 31 2012 20:48 BRaegO wrote:On July 31 2012 20:19 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 31 2012 19:57 synaptik wrote:
jesus, all these posts saying naniwa has a "tough personality" or is "misunderstood"...lets call spade a space, the guy is unprofessional, selfish, and completely disrespectful towards teams, tournament organizers and opponents. these are not just momentary lapses in judgment; hes got a lengthy and well documented history of such behaviour dating back to the wc3 days. regardless of how he performed in the recent GSL the guy is just plain unlikeable outside of sweden and a marketing nightmare.
lol@ the swedes coming out to blindly defend him though, gotta love it, the swedish population is like 5% of TL but 50% of the posts in naniwa threads. Well the swedish only stream of WCS had +6k viewers just 2-3 days ago so I think we might be more then 5%, but yeah many none swedish people find it hard to accept Naniwas personality. I respect a person that completely dedicates himself towards his goal without taking other aspects into account. I dunno if this is connected to being Swedish but I can relate myself to Naniwa, more so then for instance Sase. Although I understand that people find Naniwa odd, I do not have much empathy for people that keep whining about Naniwas "culturally inappropriate" behavior. Some people are not very social, that includes Naniwa, that means he does stuff that seems odd to most people. Cause he is dedicated to be the best in the world at what he does and other things are secondary. This seems to be really hard for people to accept. I even think it is entertaining to have a personality like Naniwa in SC2. Would be pretty boring if everyone was like TLO or Sheet imo. I think what most people are trying to say is if you weren't Swedish, you'd probably not be defending him. It's not about how he acts, its about what he represents. Sweden. People need to look past where they are from and base their opinion on what they know. :D He acts like someone who wants to be the best at what he does and who doesn't really care who he pisses off to get there. That kind of determined attitude mightn't make for someone who'd be awesome to be around (I wouldn't know, and neither would anyone else in this thread) but it still has to be respected. EDIT: And note: I'm not Swedish. Go figure. There are hundreds of sc2 pros who want to the best at what they do, and they dont put down their opponents in bigtime matches when they lose like naniwa just did to johnnyrecco in tsl4. He has no respect for the game or for his competition and has proven this time and time again despite his determination to be the best at it. Not a good role model. I think this might be the biggest difference culturally. I see a lot of Americans saying that players are "not good for esports" or "bad role models". To me, Naniwa doesn't represent Starcraft, nor esports, nor foreigners, nor Sweden, nor Quantic. He represents Naniwa. That's all he's interested in doing. Like synaptik said: "lets call spade a space, the guy is unprofessional, selfish, and completely disrespectful towards teams, tournament organizers and opponents. these are not just momentary lapses in judgment; hes got a lengthy and well documented history of such behaviour dating back to the wc3 days. regardless of how he performed in the recent GSL the guy is just plain unlikeable outside of sweden and a marketing nightmare." I agree with all of that. I still like Naniwa though. Why? Because he's a damn good, creative, smart and passionate player. He's fun to watch. In the same way, I respect Destiny a lot for his ideas on Zerg, he really innovated infestor usage in Zerg play. His bm and bullshit doesn't take away from that. These ideas about marketing and branding are specifically very American. They do exist in Europe too, but not in the same way. When I think about famous and respected Swedes, a lot of them are assholes, and we just accept that. We're not looking for role models as much as we are looking for talent and passion. That passion becomes rage and bad manner in some people, and it doesn't matter to me. I'm not trying to argue any kind of point here. I'm just attempting an explanation of why Naniwa doesn't clean up his act and why Swedes don't dislike him that much, by looking at cultural differences. I could also be completely wrong, it's hard to analyse one's own culture. I just dont look up to overgrown children. Nothing to do with branding.
To summarize my TLDR, I look up to overgrown children when they're ten times the Starcraft player I will ever be
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On July 31 2012 22:41 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 22:40 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
hasnt it been confirmed that he is joining team dignitas? no, what, since when?
Im pretty sure I did read a statement about it on twitter, give me a minute and I'll edit this post and try to find it (although since Im appearently the only one who noticed it, it seems highly likely that I misread something.
"Fredrik Reinius @dignitasNewmaN
I can confirm that naniwa will be playing for team dignitas, in shootmania, also traveling by goat to tournaments. #winning"
Yup. nevermind I derped :D
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On July 31 2012 22:05 simpabrz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 21:03 stratmatt wrote:On July 31 2012 20:57 Sated wrote:On July 31 2012 20:48 BRaegO wrote:On July 31 2012 20:19 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 31 2012 19:57 synaptik wrote:
jesus, all these posts saying naniwa has a "tough personality" or is "misunderstood"...lets call spade a space, the guy is unprofessional, selfish, and completely disrespectful towards teams, tournament organizers and opponents. these are not just momentary lapses in judgment; hes got a lengthy and well documented history of such behaviour dating back to the wc3 days. regardless of how he performed in the recent GSL the guy is just plain unlikeable outside of sweden and a marketing nightmare.
lol@ the swedes coming out to blindly defend him though, gotta love it, the swedish population is like 5% of TL but 50% of the posts in naniwa threads. Well the swedish only stream of WCS had +6k viewers just 2-3 days ago so I think we might be more then 5%, but yeah many none swedish people find it hard to accept Naniwas personality. I respect a person that completely dedicates himself towards his goal without taking other aspects into account. I dunno if this is connected to being Swedish but I can relate myself to Naniwa, more so then for instance Sase. Although I understand that people find Naniwa odd, I do not have much empathy for people that keep whining about Naniwas "culturally inappropriate" behavior. Some people are not very social, that includes Naniwa, that means he does stuff that seems odd to most people. Cause he is dedicated to be the best in the world at what he does and other things are secondary. This seems to be really hard for people to accept. I even think it is entertaining to have a personality like Naniwa in SC2. Would be pretty boring if everyone was like TLO or Sheet imo. I think what most people are trying to say is if you weren't Swedish, you'd probably not be defending him. It's not about how he acts, its about what he represents. Sweden. People need to look past where they are from and base their opinion on what they know. :D He acts like someone who wants to be the best at what he does and who doesn't really care who he pisses off to get there. That kind of determined attitude mightn't make for someone who'd be awesome to be around (I wouldn't know, and neither would anyone else in this thread) but it still has to be respected. EDIT: And note: I'm not Swedish. Go figure. There are hundreds of sc2 pros who want to the best at what they do, and they dont put down their opponents in bigtime matches when they lose like naniwa just did to johnnyrecco in tsl4. He has no respect for the game or for his competition and has proven this time and time again despite his determination to be the best at it. Not a good role model. Disrespect and not giving a shit are two different things, just saying. As arrogant as he can be, he is not too stupid not to respect his competition. This idea of players having some sort of obligation to be good role models is fucking disgusting. It reminds me of how football players (or players of any real big sport) are constantly pressured to act a certain way, never have any "wild" opinions, always be overly politically correct, etc. You're probably gonna call me out on being a biased swede like most other dipshit haters, but I really do find it a breath of fresh air to see someone just doing what they want and saying what they want. As long as he's a good role model in his play, I personally don't care if he slits people's throats on his way to victory.
I couldn't agree more with this and I'm not a Swede.
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Calling it! ROOTNaNi incoming.
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On July 31 2012 20:19 4ZakeN87 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 19:57 synaptik wrote:
jesus, all these posts saying naniwa has a "tough personality" or is "misunderstood"...lets call spade a space, the guy is unprofessional, selfish, and completely disrespectful towards teams, tournament organizers and opponents. these are not just momentary lapses in judgment; hes got a lengthy and well documented history of such behaviour dating back to the wc3 days. regardless of how he performed in the recent GSL the guy is just plain unlikeable outside of sweden and a marketing nightmare.
lol@ the swedes coming out to blindly defend him though, gotta love it, the swedish population is like 5% of TL but 50% of the posts in naniwa threads. Well the swedish only stream of WCS had +6k viewers just 2-3 days ago so I think we might be more then 5%, but yeah many none swedish people find it hard to accept Naniwas personality. I respect a person that completely dedicates himself towards his goal without taking other aspects into account. I dunno if this is connected to being Swedish but I can relate myself to Naniwa, more so then for instance Sase. Although I understand that people find Naniwa odd, I do not have much empathy for people that keep whining about Naniwas "culturally inappropriate" behavior. Some people are not very social, that includes Naniwa, that means he does stuff that seems odd to most people. Cause he is dedicated to be the best in the world at what he does and other things are secondary. This seems to be really hard for people to accept. I even think it is entertaining to have a personality like Naniwa in SC2. Would be pretty boring if everyone was like TLO or Sheet imo.
Sorry but no.
This not social excuse really has to go. If you are not social you would simply not talk at all or just sound akward.
Naniwa however has attitude problems, insulting tournaments on their very own stage, throwing a game cause he didn't find it important or just this week, balance whining cause he lost in a tournament during the tournament itself.
It's great that he is dedicated but if you don't know how to act (aka not like an ass) sooner or later it will backfire.
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I'd rather he says what he feels than the generic fake "congratz wp gl in rest"
This is why idra and naniwa are so popular. People love it when they are honest instead of just trying to be PC and nice al the time, like a certain big guy from local.
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On July 31 2012 23:02 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 20:19 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 31 2012 19:57 synaptik wrote:
jesus, all these posts saying naniwa has a "tough personality" or is "misunderstood"...lets call spade a space, the guy is unprofessional, selfish, and completely disrespectful towards teams, tournament organizers and opponents. these are not just momentary lapses in judgment; hes got a lengthy and well documented history of such behaviour dating back to the wc3 days. regardless of how he performed in the recent GSL the guy is just plain unlikeable outside of sweden and a marketing nightmare.
lol@ the swedes coming out to blindly defend him though, gotta love it, the swedish population is like 5% of TL but 50% of the posts in naniwa threads. Well the swedish only stream of WCS had +6k viewers just 2-3 days ago so I think we might be more then 5%, but yeah many none swedish people find it hard to accept Naniwas personality. I respect a person that completely dedicates himself towards his goal without taking other aspects into account. I dunno if this is connected to being Swedish but I can relate myself to Naniwa, more so then for instance Sase. Although I understand that people find Naniwa odd, I do not have much empathy for people that keep whining about Naniwas "culturally inappropriate" behavior. Some people are not very social, that includes Naniwa, that means he does stuff that seems odd to most people. Cause he is dedicated to be the best in the world at what he does and other things are secondary. This seems to be really hard for people to accept. I even think it is entertaining to have a personality like Naniwa in SC2. Would be pretty boring if everyone was like TLO or Sheet imo. Sorry but no. This not social excuse really has to go. If you are not social you would simply not talk at all or just sound akward. Naniwa however has attitude problems, insulting tournaments on their very own stage, throwing a game cause he didn't find it important or just this week, balance whining cause he lost in a tournament during the tournament itself. It's great that he is dedicated but if you don't know how to act (aka not like an ass) sooner or later it will backfire.
I saw someone saying this before, but this is the kind of comment I hate in every sport. WHY does he have to act the politically correct way? Just because people say that you have to be 'correct' when ur a public subject? It's retarded to expect people to not be themselves just because you don't feel they should.
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On July 31 2012 23:02 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 20:19 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 31 2012 19:57 synaptik wrote:
jesus, all these posts saying naniwa has a "tough personality" or is "misunderstood"...lets call spade a space, the guy is unprofessional, selfish, and completely disrespectful towards teams, tournament organizers and opponents. these are not just momentary lapses in judgment; hes got a lengthy and well documented history of such behaviour dating back to the wc3 days. regardless of how he performed in the recent GSL the guy is just plain unlikeable outside of sweden and a marketing nightmare.
lol@ the swedes coming out to blindly defend him though, gotta love it, the swedish population is like 5% of TL but 50% of the posts in naniwa threads. Well the swedish only stream of WCS had +6k viewers just 2-3 days ago so I think we might be more then 5%, but yeah many none swedish people find it hard to accept Naniwas personality. I respect a person that completely dedicates himself towards his goal without taking other aspects into account. I dunno if this is connected to being Swedish but I can relate myself to Naniwa, more so then for instance Sase. Although I understand that people find Naniwa odd, I do not have much empathy for people that keep whining about Naniwas "culturally inappropriate" behavior. Some people are not very social, that includes Naniwa, that means he does stuff that seems odd to most people. Cause he is dedicated to be the best in the world at what he does and other things are secondary. This seems to be really hard for people to accept. I even think it is entertaining to have a personality like Naniwa in SC2. Would be pretty boring if everyone was like TLO or Sheet imo. Sorry but no. This not social excuse really has to go. If you are not social you would simply not talk at all or just sound akward. Naniwa however has attitude problems, insulting tournaments on their very own stage, throwing a game cause he didn't find it important or just this week, balance whining cause he lost in a tournament during the tournament itself. It's great that he is dedicated but if you don't know how to act (aka not like an ass) sooner or later it will backfire.
Have you heard of Wayne Rooney?
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Naniwa has the right to act however he wants to, and he will get fans and haters no matter what he does.
However, it is true what IdRA said - even though it hurts deep inside to have to say it - that if Nani keeps ripping through teams like this, he is very shortly going to run out of places to go. There's no way that he can disrespect teams and cause trouble everywhere he goes.
On the other hand, the attention and publicity he brings - bad or good - does give a team a certain profile. He is still a valuable asset because he plays on the biggest stages and generally performs well.
I still believe he should start to consider the potential of becoming an independent, then he could avoid the majority of this hysteria whenever he joins a team. Surely he can support himself now with the winnings he earns each year? I also don't believe he needs to have the marketability of Grubby to be able to stick it alone, I think he can solo it as it is.
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On July 31 2012 23:07 DexLy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 23:02 Assirra wrote:On July 31 2012 20:19 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 31 2012 19:57 synaptik wrote:
jesus, all these posts saying naniwa has a "tough personality" or is "misunderstood"...lets call spade a space, the guy is unprofessional, selfish, and completely disrespectful towards teams, tournament organizers and opponents. these are not just momentary lapses in judgment; hes got a lengthy and well documented history of such behaviour dating back to the wc3 days. regardless of how he performed in the recent GSL the guy is just plain unlikeable outside of sweden and a marketing nightmare.
lol@ the swedes coming out to blindly defend him though, gotta love it, the swedish population is like 5% of TL but 50% of the posts in naniwa threads. Well the swedish only stream of WCS had +6k viewers just 2-3 days ago so I think we might be more then 5%, but yeah many none swedish people find it hard to accept Naniwas personality. I respect a person that completely dedicates himself towards his goal without taking other aspects into account. I dunno if this is connected to being Swedish but I can relate myself to Naniwa, more so then for instance Sase. Although I understand that people find Naniwa odd, I do not have much empathy for people that keep whining about Naniwas "culturally inappropriate" behavior. Some people are not very social, that includes Naniwa, that means he does stuff that seems odd to most people. Cause he is dedicated to be the best in the world at what he does and other things are secondary. This seems to be really hard for people to accept. I even think it is entertaining to have a personality like Naniwa in SC2. Would be pretty boring if everyone was like TLO or Sheet imo. Sorry but no. This not social excuse really has to go. If you are not social you would simply not talk at all or just sound akward. Naniwa however has attitude problems, insulting tournaments on their very own stage, throwing a game cause he didn't find it important or just this week, balance whining cause he lost in a tournament during the tournament itself. It's great that he is dedicated but if you don't know how to act (aka not like an ass) sooner or later it will backfire. I saw someone saying this before, but this is the kind of comment I hate in every sport. WHY does he have to act the politically correct way? Just because people say that you have to be 'correct' when ur a public subject? It's retarded to expect people to not be themselves just because you don't feel they should.
Acting not like an ass is normal EVERYWHERE, not just sport.
It's common sense to not insult people/competitions you are playing in.
This is like randomly insulting somebody on the street just cause you think he was ugly. "What i am being myself, why are you so mad?"
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On July 31 2012 23:07 DexLy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 23:02 Assirra wrote:On July 31 2012 20:19 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 31 2012 19:57 synaptik wrote:
jesus, all these posts saying naniwa has a "tough personality" or is "misunderstood"...lets call spade a space, the guy is unprofessional, selfish, and completely disrespectful towards teams, tournament organizers and opponents. these are not just momentary lapses in judgment; hes got a lengthy and well documented history of such behaviour dating back to the wc3 days. regardless of how he performed in the recent GSL the guy is just plain unlikeable outside of sweden and a marketing nightmare.
lol@ the swedes coming out to blindly defend him though, gotta love it, the swedish population is like 5% of TL but 50% of the posts in naniwa threads. Well the swedish only stream of WCS had +6k viewers just 2-3 days ago so I think we might be more then 5%, but yeah many none swedish people find it hard to accept Naniwas personality. I respect a person that completely dedicates himself towards his goal without taking other aspects into account. I dunno if this is connected to being Swedish but I can relate myself to Naniwa, more so then for instance Sase. Although I understand that people find Naniwa odd, I do not have much empathy for people that keep whining about Naniwas "culturally inappropriate" behavior. Some people are not very social, that includes Naniwa, that means he does stuff that seems odd to most people. Cause he is dedicated to be the best in the world at what he does and other things are secondary. This seems to be really hard for people to accept. I even think it is entertaining to have a personality like Naniwa in SC2. Would be pretty boring if everyone was like TLO or Sheet imo. Sorry but no. This not social excuse really has to go. If you are not social you would simply not talk at all or just sound akward. Naniwa however has attitude problems, insulting tournaments on their very own stage, throwing a game cause he didn't find it important or just this week, balance whining cause he lost in a tournament during the tournament itself. It's great that he is dedicated but if you don't know how to act (aka not like an ass) sooner or later it will backfire. I saw someone saying this before, but this is the kind of comment I hate in every sport. WHY does he have to act the politically correct way? Just because people say that you have to be 'correct' when ur a public subject? It's retarded to expect people to not be themselves just because you don't feel they should.
There's a difference between just being yourself and behaving like sh*t. Its not about political correctness, its about showing respect towards the ppl that pay you, ppl that make esports bigger (MLG - not a joke tournament) and ppl that support you.
a team can expect a player to accept the code of behavior when paying them - not letting the team look bad by doing childish things "cause its naniwa and thats the way he is". thats why hes been in so many teams. money decides. bad publicity doesnt help a team getting sponsors.
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On July 31 2012 23:17 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 23:07 DexLy wrote:On July 31 2012 23:02 Assirra wrote:On July 31 2012 20:19 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 31 2012 19:57 synaptik wrote:
jesus, all these posts saying naniwa has a "tough personality" or is "misunderstood"...lets call spade a space, the guy is unprofessional, selfish, and completely disrespectful towards teams, tournament organizers and opponents. these are not just momentary lapses in judgment; hes got a lengthy and well documented history of such behaviour dating back to the wc3 days. regardless of how he performed in the recent GSL the guy is just plain unlikeable outside of sweden and a marketing nightmare.
lol@ the swedes coming out to blindly defend him though, gotta love it, the swedish population is like 5% of TL but 50% of the posts in naniwa threads. Well the swedish only stream of WCS had +6k viewers just 2-3 days ago so I think we might be more then 5%, but yeah many none swedish people find it hard to accept Naniwas personality. I respect a person that completely dedicates himself towards his goal without taking other aspects into account. I dunno if this is connected to being Swedish but I can relate myself to Naniwa, more so then for instance Sase. Although I understand that people find Naniwa odd, I do not have much empathy for people that keep whining about Naniwas "culturally inappropriate" behavior. Some people are not very social, that includes Naniwa, that means he does stuff that seems odd to most people. Cause he is dedicated to be the best in the world at what he does and other things are secondary. This seems to be really hard for people to accept. I even think it is entertaining to have a personality like Naniwa in SC2. Would be pretty boring if everyone was like TLO or Sheet imo. Sorry but no. This not social excuse really has to go. If you are not social you would simply not talk at all or just sound akward. Naniwa however has attitude problems, insulting tournaments on their very own stage, throwing a game cause he didn't find it important or just this week, balance whining cause he lost in a tournament during the tournament itself. It's great that he is dedicated but if you don't know how to act (aka not like an ass) sooner or later it will backfire. I saw someone saying this before, but this is the kind of comment I hate in every sport. WHY does he have to act the politically correct way? Just because people say that you have to be 'correct' when ur a public subject? It's retarded to expect people to not be themselves just because you don't feel they should. Acting not like an ass is normal EVERYWHERE, not just sport. It's common sense to not insult people/competitions you are playing in. This is like randomly insulting somebody on the street just cause you think he was ugly. "What i am being myself, why are you so mad?"
He's not BM for no reason like that. He's just frustrated after a loss. Nothing wrong with showing a bit of emotion to something you have a lot of interest in / time invested to.
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