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Incomplet
United Kingdom1419 Posts
TeamLiquid: You won easily by a 3 – 0 score. Did you expect to win so easily? Yes, my opponent was a foreigner, and one who was lacking in name value at that, so I expected to win. You said that Welmu wasn't a famous player. How many foreigners are out there that you're worried about? I'm only worried about NaNiwa, haha. Naniwa will be fine | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On July 31 2012 20:19 4ZakeN87 wrote:I respect a person that completely dedicates himself towards his goal without taking other aspects into account. I dunno if this is connected to being Swedish but I can relate myself to Naniwa, more so then for instance Sase. Although I understand that people find Naniwa odd, I do not have much empathy for people that keep whining about Naniwas "culturally inappropriate" behavior. Some people are not very social, that includes Naniwa, that means he does stuff that seems odd to most people. Cause he is dedicated to be the best in the world at what he does and other things are secondary. This seems to be really hard for people to accept. I agree with you, that I respect Naniwa a great deal for his dedication. That being said, he often is pretty arrogant, which being socially awkward or whatever name you put on it, he should still be able to realize it and avoid it if he wanted to. That being said, in this case he seems to have avoided the drama, yet still gets 60 pages? :/ Well anyway nice to see them part of seemingly good terms. | ||
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baconftw
Denmark45 Posts
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SC2 FaTe
United Kingdom3 Posts
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
On July 31 2012 21:07 stratmatt wrote: Jeez, you must not watch very musch sc2 then considering his recent tournament failings. Oh yeah and ro8 code S is still ro8 code s. Its not even the semis. Too bad you missed out on some amazing season finishers the past 2 seasons. Yeah, like those amazing code S finals we just had :D I'm curious to see how this pans out! | ||
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
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BBMorti
Denmark242 Posts
On July 31 2012 21:31 Zarahtra wrote: I agree with you, that I respect Naniwa a great deal for his dedication. That being said, he often is pretty arrogant, which being socially awkward or whatever name you put on it, he should still be able to realize it and avoid it if he wanted to. That being said, in this case he seems to have avoided the drama, yet still gets 60 pages? :/ Well anyway nice to see them part of seemingly good terms. It only reaches 60 pages because of people like you who comes in and writes the same thing again and again in every thread about him. | ||
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Vaftrudner
Sweden1185 Posts
On July 31 2012 21:03 stratmatt wrote: There are hundreds of sc2 pros who want to the best at what they do, and they dont put down their opponents in bigtime matches when they lose like naniwa just did to johnnyrecco in tsl4. He has no respect for the game or for his competition and has proven this time and time again despite his determination to be the best at it. Not a good role model. I think this might be the biggest difference culturally. I see a lot of Americans saying that players are "not good for esports" or "bad role models". To me, Naniwa doesn't represent Starcraft, nor esports, nor foreigners, nor Sweden, nor Quantic. He represents Naniwa. That's all he's interested in doing. Like synaptik said: "lets call spade a space, the guy is unprofessional, selfish, and completely disrespectful towards teams, tournament organizers and opponents. these are not just momentary lapses in judgment; hes got a lengthy and well documented history of such behaviour dating back to the wc3 days. regardless of how he performed in the recent GSL the guy is just plain unlikeable outside of sweden and a marketing nightmare." I agree with all of that. I still like Naniwa though. Why? Because he's a damn good, creative, smart and passionate player. He's fun to watch. In the same way, I respect Destiny a lot for his ideas on Zerg, he really innovated infestor usage in Zerg play. His bm and bullshit doesn't take away from that. These ideas about marketing and branding are specifically very American. They do exist in Europe too, but not in the same way. When I think about famous and respected Swedes, a lot of them are assholes, and we just accept that. We're not looking for role models as much as we are looking for talent and passion. That passion becomes rage and bad manner in some people, and it doesn't matter to me. I'm not trying to argue any kind of point here. I'm just attempting an explanation of why Naniwa doesn't clean up his act and why Swedes don't dislike him that much, by looking at cultural differences. I could also be completely wrong, it's hard to analyse one's own culture. | ||
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gaws
United States3 Posts
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Zidinjo
Germany2 Posts
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zedrOne
France471 Posts
When I think about famous and respected Swedes, a lot of them are assholes I usually make a lot of comparaison with tennis, But i never dare to wrote that, (because i'm french,) but curiously, it's not totally wrong. a lot of famous swedes are assholes. borg / willander / soderling are know to be "bad manner" but I think naniwa is still far from the success of any of them (in is field). love this thread. so much nonsense ! | ||
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
On July 31 2012 21:52 Vaftrudner wrote: I think this might be the biggest difference culturally. I see a lot of Americans saying that players are "not good for esports" or "bad role models". To me, Naniwa doesn't represent Starcraft, nor esports, nor foreigners, nor Sweden, nor Quantic. He represents Naniwa. That's all he's interested in doing. Like synaptik said: "lets call spade a space, the guy is unprofessional, selfish, and completely disrespectful towards teams, tournament organizers and opponents. these are not just momentary lapses in judgment; hes got a lengthy and well documented history of such behaviour dating back to the wc3 days. regardless of how he performed in the recent GSL the guy is just plain unlikeable outside of sweden and a marketing nightmare." I agree with all of that. I still like Naniwa though. Why? Because he's a damn good, creative, smart and passionate player. He's fun to watch. In the same way, I respect Destiny a lot for his ideas on Zerg, he really innovated infestor usage in Zerg play. His bm and bullshit doesn't take away from that. These ideas about marketing and branding are specifically very American. They do exist in Europe too, but not in the same way. When I think about famous and respected Swedes, a lot of them are assholes, and we just accept that. We're not looking for role models as much as we are looking for talent and passion. That passion becomes rage and bad manner in some people, and it doesn't matter to me. I'm not trying to argue any kind of point here. I'm just attempting an explanation of why Naniwa doesn't clean up his act and why Swedes don't dislike him that much, by looking at cultural differences. I could also be completely wrong, it's hard to analyse one's own culture. I just dont look up to overgrown children. Nothing to do with branding. | ||
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simpabrz
Sweden33 Posts
On July 31 2012 21:03 stratmatt wrote: There are hundreds of sc2 pros who want to the best at what they do, and they dont put down their opponents in bigtime matches when they lose like naniwa just did to johnnyrecco in tsl4. He has no respect for the game or for his competition and has proven this time and time again despite his determination to be the best at it. Not a good role model. Disrespect and not giving a shit are two different things, just saying. As arrogant as he can be, he is not too stupid not to respect his competition. This idea of players having some sort of obligation to be good role models is fucking disgusting. It reminds me of how football players (or players of any real big sport) are constantly pressured to act a certain way, never have any "wild" opinions, always be overly politically correct, etc. You're probably gonna call me out on being a biased swede like most other dipshit haters, but I really do find it a breath of fresh air to see someone just doing what they want and saying what they want. As long as he's a good role model in his play, I personally don't care if he slits people's throats on his way to victory. | ||
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whiteLotus
1833 Posts
On July 31 2012 21:34 Mozdk wrote: Doubt it will be EG. Liquid is possible. But I think a Korean team is more likely. so you dont think it can be EG, but liquid is possible? LMAO. IF anything liquid is IMPOSIBLE, and EG possible. | ||
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TheSwamp
United States1497 Posts
On July 31 2012 22:06 whiteLotus wrote: so you dont think it can be EG, but liquid is possible? LMAO. IF anything liquid is IMPOSIBLE, and EG possible. Liquid likes to acquire players who have not yet reached their full potential, and are not the biggest of names. | ||
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Yaki
France4234 Posts
On July 31 2012 22:10 TheSwamp wrote: Liquid likes to acquire players who have not yet reached their full potential, and are not the biggest of names. So you think that there are players that have already reached their full potential ? | ||
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Grampz
United States2147 Posts
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halfies
United Kingdom327 Posts
On July 31 2012 21:40 BBMorti wrote: It only reaches 60 pages because of people like you who comes in and writes the same thing again and again in every thread about him. and people like you who do exactly the same thing Im torn on this because i have grown to quite like naniwa, he seems to be trying to be less of a dick, so i hope he has a plan, but at the same time it seems pretty bad not to finish his contract with quantic, especially with how much they have supported him. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4730 Posts
On July 31 2012 22:15 Grampz wrote: mouz nani!!! That would be hilarious, its not going to happen. | ||
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Yonnua
United Kingdom2331 Posts
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