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On July 31 2012 23:13 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 23:02 Assirra wrote:On July 31 2012 20:19 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 31 2012 19:57 synaptik wrote:
jesus, all these posts saying naniwa has a "tough personality" or is "misunderstood"...lets call spade a space, the guy is unprofessional, selfish, and completely disrespectful towards teams, tournament organizers and opponents. these are not just momentary lapses in judgment; hes got a lengthy and well documented history of such behaviour dating back to the wc3 days. regardless of how he performed in the recent GSL the guy is just plain unlikeable outside of sweden and a marketing nightmare.
lol@ the swedes coming out to blindly defend him though, gotta love it, the swedish population is like 5% of TL but 50% of the posts in naniwa threads. Well the swedish only stream of WCS had +6k viewers just 2-3 days ago so I think we might be more then 5%, but yeah many none swedish people find it hard to accept Naniwas personality. I respect a person that completely dedicates himself towards his goal without taking other aspects into account. I dunno if this is connected to being Swedish but I can relate myself to Naniwa, more so then for instance Sase. Although I understand that people find Naniwa odd, I do not have much empathy for people that keep whining about Naniwas "culturally inappropriate" behavior. Some people are not very social, that includes Naniwa, that means he does stuff that seems odd to most people. Cause he is dedicated to be the best in the world at what he does and other things are secondary. This seems to be really hard for people to accept. I even think it is entertaining to have a personality like Naniwa in SC2. Would be pretty boring if everyone was like TLO or Sheet imo. Sorry but no. This not social excuse really has to go. If you are not social you would simply not talk at all or just sound akward. Naniwa however has attitude problems, insulting tournaments on their very own stage, throwing a game cause he didn't find it important or just this week, balance whining cause he lost in a tournament during the tournament itself. It's great that he is dedicated but if you don't know how to act (aka not like an ass) sooner or later it will backfire. Have you heard of Wayne Rooney?
Have you ever heard of Terrel Owens, Randy Moss, or Chad Johnson?
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On July 31 2012 23:20 Nekovivie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 23:17 Assirra wrote:On July 31 2012 23:07 DexLy wrote:On July 31 2012 23:02 Assirra wrote:On July 31 2012 20:19 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 31 2012 19:57 synaptik wrote:
jesus, all these posts saying naniwa has a "tough personality" or is "misunderstood"...lets call spade a space, the guy is unprofessional, selfish, and completely disrespectful towards teams, tournament organizers and opponents. these are not just momentary lapses in judgment; hes got a lengthy and well documented history of such behaviour dating back to the wc3 days. regardless of how he performed in the recent GSL the guy is just plain unlikeable outside of sweden and a marketing nightmare.
lol@ the swedes coming out to blindly defend him though, gotta love it, the swedish population is like 5% of TL but 50% of the posts in naniwa threads. Well the swedish only stream of WCS had +6k viewers just 2-3 days ago so I think we might be more then 5%, but yeah many none swedish people find it hard to accept Naniwas personality. I respect a person that completely dedicates himself towards his goal without taking other aspects into account. I dunno if this is connected to being Swedish but I can relate myself to Naniwa, more so then for instance Sase. Although I understand that people find Naniwa odd, I do not have much empathy for people that keep whining about Naniwas "culturally inappropriate" behavior. Some people are not very social, that includes Naniwa, that means he does stuff that seems odd to most people. Cause he is dedicated to be the best in the world at what he does and other things are secondary. This seems to be really hard for people to accept. I even think it is entertaining to have a personality like Naniwa in SC2. Would be pretty boring if everyone was like TLO or Sheet imo. Sorry but no. This not social excuse really has to go. If you are not social you would simply not talk at all or just sound akward. Naniwa however has attitude problems, insulting tournaments on their very own stage, throwing a game cause he didn't find it important or just this week, balance whining cause he lost in a tournament during the tournament itself. It's great that he is dedicated but if you don't know how to act (aka not like an ass) sooner or later it will backfire. I saw someone saying this before, but this is the kind of comment I hate in every sport. WHY does he have to act the politically correct way? Just because people say that you have to be 'correct' when ur a public subject? It's retarded to expect people to not be themselves just because you don't feel they should. Acting not like an ass is normal EVERYWHERE, not just sport. It's common sense to not insult people/competitions you are playing in. This is like randomly insulting somebody on the street just cause you think he was ugly. "What i am being myself, why are you so mad?" He's not BM for no reason like that. He's just frustrated after a loss. Nothing wrong with showing a bit of emotion to something you have a lot of interest in / time invested to.
not much would have happened if it had been the first / second time. but its naniwa. we see his actions in relation to his actions in the past - and he just continues to dig his own esports grave..
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On July 31 2012 23:07 DexLy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 23:02 Assirra wrote:On July 31 2012 20:19 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 31 2012 19:57 synaptik wrote:
jesus, all these posts saying naniwa has a "tough personality" or is "misunderstood"...lets call spade a space, the guy is unprofessional, selfish, and completely disrespectful towards teams, tournament organizers and opponents. these are not just momentary lapses in judgment; hes got a lengthy and well documented history of such behaviour dating back to the wc3 days. regardless of how he performed in the recent GSL the guy is just plain unlikeable outside of sweden and a marketing nightmare.
lol@ the swedes coming out to blindly defend him though, gotta love it, the swedish population is like 5% of TL but 50% of the posts in naniwa threads. Well the swedish only stream of WCS had +6k viewers just 2-3 days ago so I think we might be more then 5%, but yeah many none swedish people find it hard to accept Naniwas personality. I respect a person that completely dedicates himself towards his goal without taking other aspects into account. I dunno if this is connected to being Swedish but I can relate myself to Naniwa, more so then for instance Sase. Although I understand that people find Naniwa odd, I do not have much empathy for people that keep whining about Naniwas "culturally inappropriate" behavior. Some people are not very social, that includes Naniwa, that means he does stuff that seems odd to most people. Cause he is dedicated to be the best in the world at what he does and other things are secondary. This seems to be really hard for people to accept. I even think it is entertaining to have a personality like Naniwa in SC2. Would be pretty boring if everyone was like TLO or Sheet imo. Sorry but no. This not social excuse really has to go. If you are not social you would simply not talk at all or just sound akward. Naniwa however has attitude problems, insulting tournaments on their very own stage, throwing a game cause he didn't find it important or just this week, balance whining cause he lost in a tournament during the tournament itself. It's great that he is dedicated but if you don't know how to act (aka not like an ass) sooner or later it will backfire. I saw someone saying this before, but this is the kind of comment I hate in every sport. WHY does he have to act the politically correct way? Just because people say that you have to be 'correct' when ur a public subject? It's retarded to expect people to not be themselves just because you don't feel they should.
You're confusing being politically correct with being polite. You can be un-PC and still be nice about it. You can criticize without insults.
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On July 31 2012 22:45 NEEDZMOAR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 22:41 opterown wrote:On July 31 2012 22:40 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
hasnt it been confirmed that he is joining team dignitas? no, what, since when? Im pretty sure I did read a statement about it on twitter, give me a minute and I'll edit this post and try to find it (although since Im appearently the only one who noticed it, it seems highly likely that I misread something. "Fredrik Reinius @dignitasNewmaN I can confirm that naniwa will be playing for team dignitas, in shootmania, also traveling by goat to tournaments. #winning" Yup. nevermind I derped :D
ahaha ;D nice
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How the hell is any team going to dare invest in this guy? With his record of jumping ship, why even try to build him up if they know he will be gone in 3 months?
That being said, SK_Naniwa within a week.
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On July 31 2012 23:20 Nekovivie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 23:17 Assirra wrote:On July 31 2012 23:07 DexLy wrote:On July 31 2012 23:02 Assirra wrote:On July 31 2012 20:19 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 31 2012 19:57 synaptik wrote:
jesus, all these posts saying naniwa has a "tough personality" or is "misunderstood"...lets call spade a space, the guy is unprofessional, selfish, and completely disrespectful towards teams, tournament organizers and opponents. these are not just momentary lapses in judgment; hes got a lengthy and well documented history of such behaviour dating back to the wc3 days. regardless of how he performed in the recent GSL the guy is just plain unlikeable outside of sweden and a marketing nightmare.
lol@ the swedes coming out to blindly defend him though, gotta love it, the swedish population is like 5% of TL but 50% of the posts in naniwa threads. Well the swedish only stream of WCS had +6k viewers just 2-3 days ago so I think we might be more then 5%, but yeah many none swedish people find it hard to accept Naniwas personality. I respect a person that completely dedicates himself towards his goal without taking other aspects into account. I dunno if this is connected to being Swedish but I can relate myself to Naniwa, more so then for instance Sase. Although I understand that people find Naniwa odd, I do not have much empathy for people that keep whining about Naniwas "culturally inappropriate" behavior. Some people are not very social, that includes Naniwa, that means he does stuff that seems odd to most people. Cause he is dedicated to be the best in the world at what he does and other things are secondary. This seems to be really hard for people to accept. I even think it is entertaining to have a personality like Naniwa in SC2. Would be pretty boring if everyone was like TLO or Sheet imo. Sorry but no. This not social excuse really has to go. If you are not social you would simply not talk at all or just sound akward. Naniwa however has attitude problems, insulting tournaments on their very own stage, throwing a game cause he didn't find it important or just this week, balance whining cause he lost in a tournament during the tournament itself. It's great that he is dedicated but if you don't know how to act (aka not like an ass) sooner or later it will backfire. I saw someone saying this before, but this is the kind of comment I hate in every sport. WHY does he have to act the politically correct way? Just because people say that you have to be 'correct' when ur a public subject? It's retarded to expect people to not be themselves just because you don't feel they should. Acting not like an ass is normal EVERYWHERE, not just sport. It's common sense to not insult people/competitions you are playing in. This is like randomly insulting somebody on the street just cause you think he was ugly. "What i am being myself, why are you so mad?" He's not BM for no reason like that. He's just frustrated after a loss. Nothing wrong with showing a bit of emotion to something you have a lot of interest in / time invested to.
So vent your feelings in a way that doesnt hurt someone else? Dont try to downtalk your opponents victory (e.g what he told JonnyRecco)
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MC cheating Huk with Naniwa? This is gonna get some heat.
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I bet he is quitting Esports after the qualifier. It is a statement coming from naniwa on gamespots if the first post is right he probably lost his motivation too compete and needs some time off or something like that.
And I am a scrub I have played since like May, but tbh the community needs too realise not everyone is White-ra, not everyone takes a loss as easy some are extremely competetive. You must also remember that most pros today who really reach it if they dont have good backing and support all the hype and fans can be to much it can go in your head. The transitioning from the man cave to dramhack, GSL, MLG and so one everyone reacts differently thats how it is, some lets it get in their head. But with experience you mature, just like a strategy it takes time to master a strategy like its take time to figure out an answer to the strategy, before it all comes in balance.
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On July 31 2012 23:24 helvete wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 23:07 DexLy wrote:On July 31 2012 23:02 Assirra wrote:On July 31 2012 20:19 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 31 2012 19:57 synaptik wrote:
jesus, all these posts saying naniwa has a "tough personality" or is "misunderstood"...lets call spade a space, the guy is unprofessional, selfish, and completely disrespectful towards teams, tournament organizers and opponents. these are not just momentary lapses in judgment; hes got a lengthy and well documented history of such behaviour dating back to the wc3 days. regardless of how he performed in the recent GSL the guy is just plain unlikeable outside of sweden and a marketing nightmare.
lol@ the swedes coming out to blindly defend him though, gotta love it, the swedish population is like 5% of TL but 50% of the posts in naniwa threads. Well the swedish only stream of WCS had +6k viewers just 2-3 days ago so I think we might be more then 5%, but yeah many none swedish people find it hard to accept Naniwas personality. I respect a person that completely dedicates himself towards his goal without taking other aspects into account. I dunno if this is connected to being Swedish but I can relate myself to Naniwa, more so then for instance Sase. Although I understand that people find Naniwa odd, I do not have much empathy for people that keep whining about Naniwas "culturally inappropriate" behavior. Some people are not very social, that includes Naniwa, that means he does stuff that seems odd to most people. Cause he is dedicated to be the best in the world at what he does and other things are secondary. This seems to be really hard for people to accept. I even think it is entertaining to have a personality like Naniwa in SC2. Would be pretty boring if everyone was like TLO or Sheet imo. Sorry but no. This not social excuse really has to go. If you are not social you would simply not talk at all or just sound akward. Naniwa however has attitude problems, insulting tournaments on their very own stage, throwing a game cause he didn't find it important or just this week, balance whining cause he lost in a tournament during the tournament itself. It's great that he is dedicated but if you don't know how to act (aka not like an ass) sooner or later it will backfire. I saw someone saying this before, but this is the kind of comment I hate in every sport. WHY does he have to act the politically correct way? Just because people say that you have to be 'correct' when ur a public subject? It's retarded to expect people to not be themselves just because you don't feel they should. You're confusing being politically correct with being polite. You can be un-PC and still be nice about it. You can criticize without insults.
Emotions just make the sport more entertaining aswell as fun. For example: you dont like nani, he called your favorite player a joke. Wouldnt it be more exciting the next time they played? Just like the chruncher thingy. It attracts viewers. Which is what every sponsor want. So investing in naniwa would be good.
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While I'm a bit tired of Naniwa's bm (as I am with Idra's bm) I really hope Naniwa is feeling ok right now.
Peope jumping aboard the hate bandwagon seem to forget that there is a person behind the Naniwa nickname.
Anyone know when Naniwa's statement will be released (other than that it will most likely be published today)?
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I bet he is quitting Esports after the qualifier.
One of the most least likely suggestions in the topic so far.
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On July 31 2012 23:23 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 23:13 Euronyme wrote:On July 31 2012 23:02 Assirra wrote:On July 31 2012 20:19 4ZakeN87 wrote:On July 31 2012 19:57 synaptik wrote:
jesus, all these posts saying naniwa has a "tough personality" or is "misunderstood"...lets call spade a space, the guy is unprofessional, selfish, and completely disrespectful towards teams, tournament organizers and opponents. these are not just momentary lapses in judgment; hes got a lengthy and well documented history of such behaviour dating back to the wc3 days. regardless of how he performed in the recent GSL the guy is just plain unlikeable outside of sweden and a marketing nightmare.
lol@ the swedes coming out to blindly defend him though, gotta love it, the swedish population is like 5% of TL but 50% of the posts in naniwa threads. Well the swedish only stream of WCS had +6k viewers just 2-3 days ago so I think we might be more then 5%, but yeah many none swedish people find it hard to accept Naniwas personality. I respect a person that completely dedicates himself towards his goal without taking other aspects into account. I dunno if this is connected to being Swedish but I can relate myself to Naniwa, more so then for instance Sase. Although I understand that people find Naniwa odd, I do not have much empathy for people that keep whining about Naniwas "culturally inappropriate" behavior. Some people are not very social, that includes Naniwa, that means he does stuff that seems odd to most people. Cause he is dedicated to be the best in the world at what he does and other things are secondary. This seems to be really hard for people to accept. I even think it is entertaining to have a personality like Naniwa in SC2. Would be pretty boring if everyone was like TLO or Sheet imo. Sorry but no. This not social excuse really has to go. If you are not social you would simply not talk at all or just sound akward. Naniwa however has attitude problems, insulting tournaments on their very own stage, throwing a game cause he didn't find it important or just this week, balance whining cause he lost in a tournament during the tournament itself. It's great that he is dedicated but if you don't know how to act (aka not like an ass) sooner or later it will backfire. Have you heard of Wayne Rooney? Have you ever heard of Terrel Owens, Randy Moss, or Chad Johnson?
It was a rhetorical question. Everyone in Europe knows who Wayne Rooney is, and the person I quoted was from Europe. What are you on about?
The point is that he's famous for yelling and swearing at the ref and forcing the sound input to be muted when it's close to him while playing. He's still one of the best players in the UK, and is treated as such.
There's absolutely 0 interest in American hand egg here, so would you care to elaborate how your comment is on topic?
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Interesting. I wonder where the line that divides opinion on Nani lies when it comes to the social background of posters.
He comes across as hardworking and skilled, but uncultured and in a sense vulgar - a sort of `Nouveau Riche' of the entertainment economy.
I personally think that if he continues to have success in the long term he will eventually take on the trappings of the `role model' that comes with it, but for now he can ride his current success and continue to draw on the support he gets from those that still identify with his background.
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Good Luck, Naniwa! You're an amazing player and I hope where ever you land it is for the best!
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On July 31 2012 23:39 Nekovivie wrote:One of the most least likely suggestions in the topic so far.
Maybe not quitting taking some months off see if he stills wants to do this and so on. Motivation can vaporise pretty fast, if given the chance.
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You don't have to like Naniwa for whatever reason you goddamn please. But everyone please stop psychoanalyzing him like you have a fuck of an idea what you're doing. It makes you guys doing that look really stupid.
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On July 31 2012 23:36 Zimmerh wrote:
I bet he is quitting Esports after the qualifier. It is a statement coming from naniwa on gamespots if the first post is right he probably lost his motivation too compete and needs some time off or something like that.
And I am a scrub I have played since like May, but tbh the community needs too realise not everyone is White-ra, not everyone takes a loss as easy some are extremely competetive. You must also remember that most pros today who really reach it if they dont have good backing and support all the hype and fans can be to much it can go in your head. The transitioning from the man cave to dramhack, GSL, MLG and so one everyone reacts differently thats how it is, some lets it get in their head. But with experience you mature, just like a strategy it takes time to master a strategy like its take time to figure out an answer to the strategy, before it all comes in balance.
so we get to criticize people when they haven't mastered a strategy, but not when he's learning to act decently after losing a game, while you're stating that those things are actually the same? doesn't seem fair, does it?
or would you like it if everytime someone got mad we said: "aw it's okay, we understand". which will lead to everyone being mad all the time because we say it's all fine and dandy.
if someone does something well, we need to congratulate them. If someone screws something up, we need to hold that person accountable for their actions. does that seem fair?
edit: if Naniwa acts decently and shows good sportsmanship, I'll be the first to support and cheer for him, as long as he downplays his opponent's victories with hissy fits and balance whines, I'll be the first to tell him to shut the hell up.
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Huh, is there really a team willing to pick him up that he left? Soon he’ll have a history with every notable foreigner team…
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On July 31 2012 23:45 GuardianEU wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 23:36 Zimmerh wrote:
I bet he is quitting Esports after the qualifier. It is a statement coming from naniwa on gamespots if the first post is right he probably lost his motivation too compete and needs some time off or something like that.
And I am a scrub I have played since like May, but tbh the community needs too realise not everyone is White-ra, not everyone takes a loss as easy some are extremely competetive. You must also remember that most pros today who really reach it if they dont have good backing and support all the hype and fans can be to much it can go in your head. The transitioning from the man cave to dramhack, GSL, MLG and so one everyone reacts differently thats how it is, some lets it get in their head. But with experience you mature, just like a strategy it takes time to master a strategy like its take time to figure out an answer to the strategy, before it all comes in balance.
so we get to criticize people when they haven't mastered a strategy, but not when he's learning to act decently after losing a game, while you're stating that those things are actually the same? doesn't seem fair, does it? or would you like it if everytime someone got mad we said: "aw it's okay, we understand". which will lead to everyone being mad all the time because we say it's all fine and dandy. if someone does something well, we need to congratulate them. If someone screws something up, we need to hold that person accountable for their actions. does that seem fair? edit: if Naniwa acts decently and shows good sportsmanship, I'll be the first to support and cheer for him, as long as he downplays his opponent's victories with hissy fits and balance whines, I'll be the first to tell him to shut the hell up.
Okey so can you PLEASE go to a tournament, and tell Naniwa to shut the hell up, right to his face. Please do it, otherwise please just shut the hell up yourself
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Doesn't surprise me at all. Wonder what team will pick him up.
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