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supervizor
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands42 Posts
July 18 2012 16:10 GMT
#341
On July 19 2012 01:07 Meatex wrote:
until guys spend more time on socializing and meeting girls / possibly getting laid by girls instead of so much time on games and being awkward when around others that aren't fellow gamers then this won't change.
The reason women get so much attention is all the socially awkward guys that can interact with others without games being involved in some way
Said guy gets girlfriend and he will quickly lose interest in women in sc2 unless they warrant some attention through being good caster or player.


if you read this post back, do you still support it? Or do you think you might have gone and taking the stereotypes a bit to far?
ODKStevez
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland1225 Posts
July 18 2012 17:34 GMT
#342
I completely agree with the OP. The thing is, most people don't care because they get to see the "chicks" or as they call it. But may I remind you of an IEM final when Morrow won, and when the prize ceremony was happening where 2 women escorted the players out, wearing headphones. The players, as their facial expressions prove, where very uncomfortable. Women should NOT be used like this, or in fact paid for that.

My opinion on that is I came to watch E-Sports and Starcraft. Not half naked divas in a gaming tournament.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 18 2012 17:35 GMT
#343
On July 19 2012 00:54 supervizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 00:39 effervescent wrote:
On July 19 2012 00:34 BisuDagger wrote:
On July 19 2012 00:31 effervescent wrote:
On July 19 2012 00:28 BisuDagger wrote:
Even pretty girls need jobs too. And she has the right to work in any field she wants, she doesn't need to have a bunch of SC2 games played to perform her job. She looked fun with the crowd and did her job.

@OP, Do you feel like you are carrying some badge of honor by pretending to care what women get jobs in this community? It seems like you are offended that a good looking girl got a job helping out an SC2 event yet you try and say it's the opinion of others. This is far from a needed thread. If the women of Starcraft wants jobs they will earn them rightfully so and you don't need to protect them. They are capable human beings like men who must fight for what they want. There is no room for discussion.

Bottom Line: Girls earn their jobs, not just look pretty and get them.

Please state the credentials Lauren Elise had to get the NASL job. What were the requirements? I'm genuinely curious as to how she earned that job.

She applied for the job. All jobs have qualifications. I'm sure there were other people considered for the job and she was chosen. That or her accomplishments through other work allowed her to gain recognition and was asked to do the job. Don't be ignorant dude.

Source please? What were the qualifications? Where can I apply?


They probaly just knew somebody or used an agency... they met her, liked her and that was it. No public job offer. Its much easier and less time consuming. So the reason you weren't chosen was because your currently not friends with a staff member / with the chosen agency?


This is how most of the professional world works. I can't remember the last time I got a job because I applied to an ad. I can't remember the last time I appied to an ad. I am sure Clutch does not have a deep, masters level understanding of SC2, but they let him host the event too. Should we demand his qualifications as well or is that just for women who are involved?

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Sepheren
Profile Joined May 2012
United States66 Posts
July 18 2012 17:46 GMT
#344
I don't think the title has anything to do with the OP. I didn't see anything on how to present females, I only read complaints about NASL's choice of Lauren Elise and the OP's dissatisfaction...
HardlyNever
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1258 Posts
July 18 2012 17:48 GMT
#345
TBH I almost always cringe and mute/go to a different tab when the female hosts/interviewers do their thing. Heck, I often do even when it's the males. It just feels so awkward and forced, and that isn't always the hosts' fault, sometimes it is.

It just always feels so forced. It is like the booth babes at E3 and stuff. It is just such a thinly veiled marketing ploy that I can't really bear it. I'm not sure the community even wants that; it screams marketing done by someone who isn't really part of the community. It is so basic and obvious; "hey there is this community with a lot of young males, young males like attractive girls, lets shoehorn attractive girls into anything we can!" Does the community really want that? I'm not sure it does, I think it wants people who genuinely feel like they are interested in Starcraft and are part of the community as well. If they happen to be female, then great, but they have to have a genuine interest in the community first, or it just feels awkward to me (not to mention they are always dressed in ways to make them stand out to a ridiculous degree).

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I watch Starcraft to watch Starcraft, and get involved and enthusiastic about the event with people who feel the same way. The "eye candy" thing is just so poorly done it detracts from the experience, for me.
Out there, the Kid learned to fend for himself. Learned to build. Learned to break.
Chrono000
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Korea (South)358 Posts
July 18 2012 17:48 GMT
#346
I agree with the OP.

Its a joke how people think its a great idea having women just as beauty objects during events. Its really out of place right now and feels really forced.
Broodwurst
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1586 Posts
July 18 2012 17:52 GMT
#347
On July 19 2012 02:34 ODKStevez wrote:
I completely agree with the OP. The thing is, most people don't care because they get to see the "chicks" or as they call it. But may I remind you of an IEM final when Morrow won, and when the prize ceremony was happening where 2 women escorted the players out, wearing headphones. The players, as their facial expressions prove, where very uncomfortable. Women should NOT be used like this, or in fact paid for that.

My opinion on that is I came to watch E-Sports and Starcraft. Not half naked divas in a gaming tournament.


Holy shit, Morrow and IdrA looked akward on stage? 2 years ago, at the first live sc2 event? Must have been the girls then lmao.
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MidgetHumper
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom280 Posts
July 18 2012 17:52 GMT
#348
On July 18 2012 08:08 baby elephant wrote:
naked

User was banned for this post.


THIS!

User was temp banned for this post.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=284255#1
Leth0
Profile Joined February 2012
856 Posts
July 18 2012 18:02 GMT
#349
Having an attractive woman doing some random small job does not 'hurt' anyone. If something as little as this really bothers somebody so much then it is your own fault, just put your energy into something else, something productive.
Leth0
Profile Joined February 2012
856 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 18:08:47
July 18 2012 18:07 GMT
#350
On July 19 2012 02:48 Chrono000 wrote:
I agree with the OP.

Its a joke how people think its a great idea having women just as beauty objects during events. Its really out of place right now and feels really forced.


Have you ever seen any boxing match or mma match. Those women are there purely for eye candy, and it's taken to another level by the fact they are only wearing bikini's. It has never hurt anyone. Not to mention the countless 'booth babes' and similar jobs that seem to have already set the precedent for such things in the gaming scene.

If having to look at an attractive women is so bothersome it's nobody but your own fault, nothing else really to say. How insecure does someone have to be to focus so hard on something that is so insignificant. You just gotta get over it.
Roynalf
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland886 Posts
July 18 2012 18:08 GMT
#351
She was hired to be eye candy, so its not unexpected that she is going to get treated like object. They could have hired some hostess who has gaming background in Starcraft if they wanted to have something else instead of the eye candy, but they went for eye candy route.
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Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
July 18 2012 18:08 GMT
#352
You're right OP. I despise NASL for this.
amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
July 18 2012 18:09 GMT
#353
why do people in these forums get so worked up about this? Same thing that happened with Lindsey Sporrer (who btw totally disappeared off the face of the pro sc2 community after all the commotion about her).

Even the vaunted Koreans have had stargirls in the booths during starleague games. Don't see why there always a section of the community hyperventilating about this.
zimz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States510 Posts
July 18 2012 18:14 GMT
#354
On July 19 2012 03:09 amazingoopah wrote:
why do people in these forums get so worked up about this? Same thing that happened with Lindsey Sporrer (who btw totally disappeared off the face of the pro sc2 community after all the commotion about her).

Even the vaunted Koreans have had stargirls in the booths during starleague games. Don't see why there always a section of the community hyperventilating about this.

Probably because after one appearance nerds started raiding FB stalking her and making jokes nonstop and drooling.
zimz
Blackknight232
Profile Joined July 2011
United States169 Posts
July 18 2012 18:15 GMT
#355
I think Female Gamers should be presented more and more in the world. Female gamers have a spot in the competitive world as us guys and plus it would bring a new change and perspective to the e-sport world.
Viktorin
Profile Joined June 2012
Switzerland59 Posts
July 18 2012 18:17 GMT
#356
On July 19 2012 03:15 Blackknight232 wrote:
I think Female Gamers should be presented more and more in the world. Female gamers have a spot in the competitive world as us guys and plus it would bring a new change and perspective to the e-sport world.


Too bad there are not many competitive female gamers.
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 18:19:37
July 18 2012 18:19 GMT
#357
On July 19 2012 01:07 Meatex wrote:
until guys spend more time on socializing and meeting girls / possibly getting laid by girls instead of so much time on games and being awkward when around others that aren't fellow gamers then this won't change.
The reason women get so much attention is all the socially awkward guys that can interact with others without games being involved in some way
Said guy gets girlfriend and he will quickly lose interest in women in sc2 unless they warrant some attention through being good caster or player.

This sounds sad, but is very probably true. Everytime a normal looking female person appears on a streamed event, the forum here gets completely hyped: "Omg, she looks so awesome!", while I have to think to "Well yes, sure ~20yo girls usually look nice, but what's the hype? Anyone been in a club, disco or at least out on the street recently?"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 18 2012 18:22 GMT
#358
On July 19 2012 03:14 zimz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 03:09 amazingoopah wrote:
why do people in these forums get so worked up about this? Same thing that happened with Lindsey Sporrer (who btw totally disappeared off the face of the pro sc2 community after all the commotion about her).

Even the vaunted Koreans have had stargirls in the booths during starleague games. Don't see why there always a section of the community hyperventilating about this.

Probably because after one appearance nerds started raiding FB stalking her and making jokes nonstop and drooling.


There does seem to be a double standard when when it comes to women at events. People start demanding their qualifications for appearing at the event and demanding to know why people who "know more about the game" were not hired. Yet, if it is a guy who is hired, no one cares why he is at the event.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 18:31:10
July 18 2012 18:27 GMT
#359
the problem isn't with how she was utilized, or what she was utilized for, eye candy, attention, etc, that stuff exists everywhere, even outside of esports, the problem is that your average person, sees eye candy, understands it's purpose, and goes back home to normalcy, the subculture of gamers however, sees eye candy, sees them being particularly nice to us 'nerds' and then suddenly thinks, all women should both be a) this hot, and b) this nice to us all the time. It's largely a weird knee jerk reaction to things that gets us in trouble as a whole. People in our community also likes to troll/flame/joke beyond the 'normal' levels that you see because of the anonymity of the internet, and it sucks. Women are more than just pieces of meat or the buttend of a joke, but that's all they're ever seemingly used for at gaming events.

I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
supervizor
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands42 Posts
July 18 2012 18:30 GMT
#360
On July 19 2012 03:19 grs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 01:07 Meatex wrote:
until guys spend more time on socializing and meeting girls / possibly getting laid by girls instead of so much time on games and being awkward when around others that aren't fellow gamers then this won't change.
The reason women get so much attention is all the socially awkward guys that can interact with others without games being involved in some way
Said guy gets girlfriend and he will quickly lose interest in women in sc2 unless they warrant some attention through being good caster or player.

This sounds sad, but is very probably true. Everytime a normal looking female person appears on a streamed event, the forum here gets completely hyped: "Omg, she looks so awesome!", while I have to think to "Well yes, sure ~20yo girls usually look nice, but what's the hype? Anyone been in a club, disco or at least out on the street recently?"


Are you kidding me? Those people are just half trolling being stupid aka kids. It's not serious... The fact you just stereotyped this entire community as " socially awkward guys that can interact with others without games being involved in some way" seems... (i left out the description cause i would get banned for it, but im sure you can see where i was going with this)
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