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it's pretty obvious what the public want and spare us the bullshit that lurker would not be compatible with HOTS. It's called putting time into a idea and making it compatible. And if they'd add the lurker, no way zerg would have an excess of AOE.
In bw we had: lurker, defiler, mutalisk (possibly queen, ensnare).
In sc2 we have: baneling, infestor, mutalisk, ultralisk?
And they had to give the ultralisk splash damage because otherwise the universe would just implode from crappiness. So we have just as much aoe compared to bw. What would be the horror of giving us another unit with AOE? You think it's impossible to balance? Nothing is impossible.
And I have to agree with people on the previous page. Do you really think that a couple of swarm hosts are going to be good at preventing an army from reaching a certain area e.i. zone control? Jezus if I had a marine marauder medic army and the zerg would have even as much as 5 or so swarm hosts defending something. I'd just stim past those fuckers and lol as the locusts explode after 10 or 15 seconds w/e the time is. Or I'd just engage one swarm of locusts, they'll die like a group of zerglings streaming in against a full bio ball. Then I'd stim and run past them and never give a shit about them again, since they have to wait another 10 seconds to spawn the next group of useless units.
Swarm host doesn't guarentee damage, which is a fatal flaw in zone controlling imo.
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They should make Swarm Host release endless waves of Banlings IMO.+ Show Spoiler +
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How can you speak about the swarm host if you nearly never see him in a pro stracraft2 game?!
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I don't really see the point in this. How can people already be bashing the swarm host when no one has realistically had any time to even see how it'll work out in HOTS. I would say leave this question for after the release of HOTS to see how things pan out. For all we know this could become a much more epic unit then we see atm.
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Lurkers wouldn't do anything in SC2. Stimmed Marauders with Medivacs and Colossus would destroy it so hard.
SH is a cool idea but I'm not that sure it's gonna be useful. At best it feels gimmicky. The respawn time is too long for it to be really useful in a direct engagement imo. If the dmg was lowered, but HP and armor were increased along with respawn time, then it would be much more effective imo (at least from what we've seen so far, which I must admit, pretty insufficient data to make any assumptions)
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Where dat snitch at?37069 Posts
Really?
A thread that asks us to decide between two units where
1) has been played for over 10 years now
and
2) the other has not even been released....
Come on man. There's no way these polls are going to make any kind of statement. HotS isn't even out yet....
I might as well make a poll like this then
Poll: Which Movie is better?Lord of The Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (18) 55% The Hobbit (15) 45% 33 total votes Your vote: Which Movie is better? (Vote): The Hobbit
(Vote): Lord of The Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
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LOL those polls. I know you set it up to sound like you were okay with the swarm host, but we all know the real reason why you set up this poll...
And you know where I put my votes too. LOL.
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swarm host is gonna really change the forge-fe metagame. i just hope they dont nerf these units to hell, but they probably will. locusts already spawn pretty seldomly imo.
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This thread is terrible. Which unit is funner to play with? NO ONE here has played with them, or close to them. Which one belongs in HOTS? The Lurker doesnt because it is flat out not going to be in HOTS. Until you have actually used the unit in its final form then making a judgement is retarded and based on the past only.
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On July 12 2012 05:46 Bleak wrote:
Lurkers wouldn't do anything in SC2. Stimmed Marauders with Medivacs and Colossus would destroy it so hard.
SH is a cool idea but I'm not that sure it's gonna be useful. At best it feels gimmicky. The respawn time is too long for it to be really useful in a direct engagement imo. If the dmg was lowered, but HP and armor were increased along with respawn time, then it would be much more effective imo (at least from what we've seen so far, which I must admit, pretty insufficient data to make any assumptions)
You know how you can solve these issues? Give lurker extra damage versus armored (marauders) and make lurkers relevant before collusi so don't put them in hive tech.
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On July 12 2012 05:46 SeeKeR wrote:Really? A thread that asks us to decide between two units where 1) has been played for over 10 years now and 2) the other has not even been released.... Come on man. There's no way these polls are going to make any kind of statement. HotS isn't even out yet.... I might as well make a poll like this then Poll: Which Movie is better?Lord of The Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (18) 55% The Hobbit (15) 45% 33 total votes Your vote: Which Movie is better? (Vote): The Hobbit
(Vote): Lord of The Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
I voted for LOTR because it was in the past and I have used it and that makes it better. The new one will be terrible and useless! 
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i think the swarmhost is cool and should not be underestimated, the lurker ofc is the old favorite so whatever, not that this thread will have any effect.
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On July 12 2012 05:45 Crankk wrote:
How can you speak about the swarm host if you nearly never see him in a pro stracraft2 game?!
For a unit like this you don't really have to see a pro use it to be able to see what kind of utility it will have. Might it be balanceable? Sure. Might it even serve its purpose as a space controller? Sure. But what its lacking is a good feel for the race. Its definitly not going to add anything for spectators... Even as someone who just started watching BW vods, things like reaver drops are non existent in SC2, where you hold your breath wondering how it will play out. Even the lurker hold trick is more interesting that watching little things come slowly out of the SH back. If anything its a turn off as a spectator.
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On July 12 2012 05:46 Bleak wrote:
Lurkers wouldn't do anything in SC2. Stimmed Marauders with Medivacs and Colossus would destroy it so hard.)
Lurkers don't do anything in BW. Stimmed Micro M&M, tanks, spider mines, vultures, goliaths, air units, dragoons, reavers, irradiate, psionic storm, observers, science vessels, etc. destroy it SOOO HARD.
See what I did there? This reasoning that Lurkers would somehow be useless in SC2 or that we can't reasonably understand the Swarm Host's applications in HotS are ridiculous. It's a burrowing brood lord that's good as an indirect pressure unit but useless as a direct attacking unit/defensive unit that can kill small groups of units. The lurker can do all of those things.
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My only thing that makes me weary of the swarm host is that it doesn't do damage, it creates the potential for damage and in certain situations could be 100% useless.
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On July 12 2012 05:46 SeeKeR wrote:
Come on man. There's no way these polls are going to make any kind of statement. HotS isn't even out yet....
You don't need a ton of play time to discern good unit design or unit application. And they at least make a statement that based on the design of the Swarm Host, it is inferior to the Lurker in terms of application versatility, imba-ness, and excitement.
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On July 12 2012 04:08 aRyuujin wrote:
i think in game the current (sc2)lurker model looks terrible.
Lurker is still way more fun though than what the swarm host looks like.
Also, the swarm host just feels like a copy of the lurker, so most of us would just be annoyed regardless of how good it actually is
Obviously if Blizzard did give in to public sentiment then they would update the lurker with an awesome new look for HOTS lol. This was an alpha model for a unit...scrapped in early 2010!
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I hope Swarm Host will be as deep and versatile unit as Colossus. After 2 years since release people do magic with Colossus i hope that in 2 years swarm host will be marvelous unit.
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On July 12 2012 05:52 0neder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 05:46 Bleak wrote:
Lurkers wouldn't do anything in SC2. Stimmed Marauders with Medivacs and Colossus would destroy it so hard.) Lurkers don't do anything in BW. Stimmed Micro M&M, tanks, spider mines, vultures, goliaths, air units, dragoons, reavers, irradiate, psionic storm, observers, science vessels, etc. destroy it SOOO HARD. See what I did there? This reasoning that Lurkers would somehow be useless in SC2 or that we can't reasonably understand the Swarm Host's applications in HotS are ridiculous. It's a burrowing brood lord that's good as an indirect pressure unit but useless as a direct attacking unit/defensive unit that can kill small groups of units. The lurker can do all of those things.
The lurker can not do much the swarm host cant but ok, think as you wish. Swarm host will work on defense and offense although better on offense. Stop whining about wanting BW back please. Go play BW or go enjoy the OSL finals while it lasts.
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The lurker makes no sence it terms of lore so it shoudnt be in the game its bad for e-sports!
So is the infestor but whatever!
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