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Chaosvuistje
Netherlands2581 Posts
They both don't require much micro, but Zerg doesn't need another anti-ground splash attack. I just hope the Locusts get a very slow reaper-like jump, so you can harrass from the highground or lowground to highground, so they aren't completely useless around ANY cliff. | ||
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Calypso123
United States42 Posts
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JerKy
Korea (South)3013 Posts
-Blizzard tried to implement Broodwar-esque units, the lurker "became" the swarm host -As much as we may love the lurker (and a lot of other units), we probably cant do much to change the fact the swarm host is in the game and not the lurker  | ||
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Zorgaz
Sweden2951 Posts
On July 12 2012 04:12 Antylamon wrote: The Lurker would NOT break up deathball play. Toss would just use obs to detect and Colossi to outrange. Plus, Lurker would be Hive tech, ruining its BW purpose of delaying the game until Hive tech. Ultralisks and Brood Lords overshadow it completely, and the Lurker would barely see any use except for containing, harassing, etc. Nobody seems to understand what it means for Lurkers to be Hive tech -.- Swarm host is lair tech. Lurker would be lair tech. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On July 12 2012 05:02 Calypso123 wrote: Could you image and Broodlord, Swarm Host, Infestor army? Neverending units. that dont cost money. with infestors you cant even get close to them!? Ugh, I just realized that'd be another retarded potential combo, just like how BL/Infestor is ridiculous. | ||
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Garmer
1286 Posts
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FT.aCt)Sony
United States1047 Posts
On July 12 2012 04:16 desarrisc wrote: Swarm Host is the midgame-brood lord. Fungals control space + Locusts nibble on the units/tank damage for the infestors. Better combo than Lurker + infestor imo. Lurker / Defiler > Swarm host > infestor No reason to even go into that topic no questions asked. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On July 12 2012 05:07 Zorgaz wrote: Swarm host is lair tech. Lurker would be lair tech. I doubt that. Because Lurker is tied to Hydralisk, and Lurker is a tier higher than Hydralisk so it is more possible that if Lurker is to be implemented, it's going to be moved up to Hive tech. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On July 12 2012 05:03 JerKy wrote: As much as I love the lurker as well, this thread is just going to conclude with: -Blizzard tried to implement Broodwar-esque units, the lurker "became" the swarm host -As much as we may love the lurker (and a lot of other units), we probably cant do much to change the fact the swarm host is in the game and not the lurker Actually... -Blizzard tried to implement the lurker into SC2 during alpha/beta but couldn't find a place for it or make it balanced. -They implement the swarm host to get a similarish unit that fits the SC2 engine better than the lurker did, most likely because fans really wanted the lurker in the game. But since the TL community hates the company whose games we endlessly play, it has turned around so that Blizzard is evil and doesn't want to include the lurker just because they think they have better ideas than BW did. | ||
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Zorgaz
Sweden2951 Posts
On July 12 2012 05:10 Veldril wrote: I doubt that. Because Lurker is tied to Hydralisk, and Lurker is a tier higher than Hydralisk so it is more possible that if Lurker is to be implemented, it's going to be moved up to Hive tech. Nah, more like Lurker would be 2.5 lair tech. Build hydra den -> upgrade to lurker den -> upgrade hydras to lurker. Lurker at Hive tech would be idiotic i agree. Anyway, I don't really know if I like the Swarm Host or not yet, i want to play with it before i judge it! | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
On July 12 2012 05:02 Calypso123 wrote: Could you image and Broodlord, Swarm Host, Infestor army? Neverending units. that dont cost money. with infestors you cant even get close to them!? Yes... And balance aside, I really don't like this Browder's horrible idea of Zerg units spamming more zerg units. So much spam it's not even fun. Worst thing is, I believe he will stick with his destructible rocks, collapsible rocks and zerg spamming units ideas throughout the whole SC2 series... his ideas really suck. | ||
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insanet
Peru439 Posts
i will explain why: I was playing this standart ZvP and we get to middle game, then both armies collide, i burrow lurkers, 1a2a3a4a5a hydras/lings, snipe observers the best i can, i get stormed heavily, huge loses on both sides, i lost everthing except 1 lurker the protoss only have 8 or 10 units left, they are on their way to my expansion, then this 1 lurker attacks, protoss army back down, he doesnt have observers, he thinks about it for 1 second, and then retreats to his base. In that moment i knew exactly what he was thinking "I lost so much units, i dont know how many lurkers are left,it will be a gamble if i decide to run by, i think i will have to retreat ". i didnt macro at all during the fight, that 1 lurker saved my life. that 1 lurker made the protoss doubtful. who the hell is gonna fear the swarm host? lol, you can estimate how many they are, and where they are without having any observer. | ||
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noflaxe
Ukraine25 Posts
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TSM
Great Britain584 Posts
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
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StreetWise
United States594 Posts
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CallmeMuppet
Ireland176 Posts
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ChristianS
United States3187 Posts
Have you ever played a dungeon crawler or similar game where there is a unit or structure that spawns units or structures? The strategy is always the same: snipe that unit/structure first. In other words, that unit is most effective when it is far away from its opponent, and least effective when it is next to its opponent. Having a timer on the spawned units reduces this effect somewhat, but it's still definitely the dynamic behind such a unit. You want to keep your swarm hosts far from your opponent, ideally hidden somewhere where they won't be found. I sincerely hope there are some good interactions where the Terran moves out to find and kill the swarm hosts, but the swarm hosts remain burrowed and try to rally their locusts away from the Terran so they won't be spotted and scanned. | ||
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
So, in essence, swarm hosts are indeed siege units, but this is not the same as providing area control. Broodlords don't let you control space either, and a Swarm Host is essentially a ground broodlord that can shoot air. | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On July 12 2012 04:19 Malpractice.248 wrote: tbh I'm kinda sick of the sc1 talk. bring back reaver, lurker, goliath, old hydras etc... its time to move on, try new things, swarm host isnt even out yet and everyone that I've read from mlg said its a sweet/strong unit We have been trying out new things for like what, 2 years soon and I don't know with you, but I'm not sold on some of the units in the game atm for just a little bit after all this time. Like the colossi, marauders and roach. Fucking braindead units that are awful to watch. You can't be suprised by etc the Reaver talk when range colossi suck so much ass compared to the shuttle-reaver play in broodwar that not only separate a good Protoss player from a bad one because it takes skill to control the shuttle and the reaver while doing everything else, but it's also fucking amazing and exciting to watch as a spectator. What does the Colossi bring to sc2 that Reaver and speed prism couldn't do? Scrap that excuse of a unit already and in with the Reaver. If Reaver would be impossible to balance even with tweaks etc then put in something else as the robo splash dealer but it needs to be supported by a warp prism if it's gonna be used offensive. | ||
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