I really like this new map and think it will shake up the meta game a little bit. Lots of air space means stargate, banshee, and muta play look to be very viable on this map. Also drops seem to be very good in general on this map. I can see infestor, storm, nydus worm, and tank drops being very good at the third base as the game goes on. Also unlike lost temple the high ground drops happen at the third and you have a way to get at the high ground without air units. While the fourth seems hard to defend it does appear it has XNT right by it so that should give you quite a bit of map awareness. Seems a little tight in the mid though and I am not sure about the sight blockers in the open areas. Makes controlling the watch tower important if you want to fight across the sight blocker. At least the paths around the sight blockers are better than on Shakuras. Finally despite people not liking or being bored with Shakuras or TDA they are well balanced maps imo ,so, I'm happy blizzard kept them.

Naxx

South Africa33 Posts

June 08 2012 15:08 GMT

#144

HI, I AM BLIZZARD AND I PUT ROCKS IN EVERY FUCKING MAP THAT I MAKE TO BLOCK THE 3RD, ALSO I MAKE 7 ENTRANCES TO EVERY BASE, AND SHAKURAS IS A VERY GUD MAP THAT WILL NEVER BE GONE, SAME FOR TALDARIM

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Aunvilgod

2653 Posts

June 08 2012 15:09 GMT

#145

On June 08 2012 22:48 LemonyTang wrote:
Why do mapmakers insist on making maps on such boring tilesets? Where are the Bel'Shir Beach's of the ladder?

Blizzard made this map. There is no Beach tileset.

StarGalaxy

Germany744 Posts

June 08 2012 15:11 GMT

#146

meta out is great. I hoped for some more changes so.
Taldarim, shakuras and maybe even antiga could have been removed imho.

shockaslim

United States1104 Posts

June 08 2012 15:13 GMT

#147

Rocks at the 3rd again? I dunno we will see if this does anything about the issues in TvZ where zergs are pretty much free to do what they want, but this could mess up things with PvZ where Stargate play may be too strong......or this new 8 gate-robo all him that has been killing a lot of Zergs.

Talic_Zealot

688 Posts

June 08 2012 15:13 GMT

#148

While it is nice to see another macro map with a natural 3rd, the blizzard mapmaking team fails in my eyes. They either churn out the same/ slightly different maps and stagnate heavily when it comes to the ridiculous constrains they put there to 'help less experienced players', which by itself is ridiculous. It has been said many times, but brood war had an amazing array of straight up macro maps, smaller timing-oriented maps and absolutely crazy and interesting maps utilizing extremely creative usage of the editor. While the 3rd party mapmakers such as the GOM maps and ESV are doing a way better job at map layouts I still think way more could be done and Blizzard seems to have forced even them to conform to their ridiculous model for certain aspects. What really excites me about KeSPA coming is the possibility of them bringing their magic and joining in as one of the 3 primary mapmaking sources, leaving Blizzard to focus on other stuff.

Naxx

South Africa33 Posts

June 08 2012 15:13 GMT

#149

On June 09 2012 00:11 OrbitalPlane wrote:
meta out is great. I hoped for some more changes so.
Taldarim, shakuras and maybe even antiga could have been removed imho.

these are my 3 vetos, but i guess i will need to change it since blizzard puts fucking rocks in every single map they make

HuffSteR

Bulgaria16 Posts

June 08 2012 15:14 GMT

#150

Season 8 is started already or not?

Fueled

United States1610 Posts

June 08 2012 15:15 GMT

#151

On June 09 2012 00:14 HuffSteR wrote:
Season 8 is started already or not?

Not yet

ArcticRaven

France1406 Posts

June 08 2012 15:15 GMT

#152

That new 1v1 map is so ridiculously bad. It feels like we're back in beta. Guess I'll have to free up the Antiga veto....

Entteri

Finland108 Posts

June 08 2012 15:16 GMT

#153

Rocks are terran's best weapon to delay z 3rd.

phiinix

United States1169 Posts

June 08 2012 15:17 GMT

#154

Per usual, no one likes the blizzard maps. Lol. I feel bad for whoever makes thos.

Racer

103 Posts

June 08 2012 15:17 GMT

#155

We’ve received feedback from our higher levels players that rotationally symmetric macro maps can be difficult to deal with for certain races when they spawn at certain points.

Interesting wonder who are those higher level players

Shiori

3815 Posts

June 08 2012 15:17 GMT

#156

On June 09 2012 00:03 CajunMan wrote:

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You mean turtle till your near max and win? So much fun right I bet
u heart emtombed too.

If anything, defending 3base Roach is far more turtley than playing standard. I don't really like Entombed because the main is so small and close positions is lame. Maybe Zergs will have to innovate beyond 1 build against Toss, though, which is nice.

DarKcS

Australia1237 Posts

June 08 2012 15:20 GMT

#157

Will just go back to 2 base infestor with double expand (lings on teh rocks). Won't change much except be slower.

Tuczniak

1561 Posts

June 08 2012 15:21 GMT

#158

that 1v1 map is bad

Deleted User 135096

3624 Posts

June 08 2012 15:22 GMT

#159

lol tanks on the new map.

United States2586 Posts

June 08 2012 15:23 GMT

#160

Condemned ridge aka condemned to be very happy to be a Protoss vs Zerg on this map. The rocks may be agonizing, but + Show Spoiler +

FOR ONCE THERES NO FREAKING BACKDOOR TO YOUR THIRD

Zerg will also be able to mass a wall of spines to cover his third/natural as well. Gonna have to see how it plays out.

The high ground behind the third will be EXTREMELY annoying vs terran though. It'll be like siege tank drops on lost temple all over again. The way the third is aligned makes this a pretty amazing map for mech. It'll definitely suck to both spawn either top or bottom vs a terran with how well siege tanks will be able to push along the 4th for contention of the watch tower.

Map definitely invokes some thought. Sucks to be a Zerg on it, though.