The 2v2 map pool changes seem to be terrible to me. Molten Crater has a rush distance like Steppes of War, and you simply can't expand on the other new map...
Seriously, wtf Blizzard? There are such good 2v2 maps made by community mapmakers out there, why can't you come up with any good maps?

shadymmj

1906 Posts

June 08 2012 16:01 GMT

#183

excellent new 1v1 map.

stop crying about rocks - they're there so you have to make some units before taking a third. boo hoo. since you can beat hellions with queens now terran has next to no real t1 pressure options.

the fourth is very takeable. i dont see why people complain.

Gyoza

Sweden45 Posts

June 08 2012 16:02 GMT

#184

On June 08 2012 23:27 Oerbaa wrote:
are the maps on eu yet, can't find em :S

On June 09 2012 00:50 Dvriel wrote:
Cant fin the new 1v1 map on the EU ladder.IS it already on?

Same here, can't seem to find it on EU.

Nabes

Canada1800 Posts

June 08 2012 16:02 GMT

#185

I wish they would stop blocking expansions with rocks; I don't mind blocking paths but man. If they want to keep them they should atleast remove all the armor from the rocks -.-.

DrPhilOfdOOm

Sweden353 Posts

June 08 2012 16:06 GMT

#186

Rocks at third will force any Z who play to win to veto it. Just puts Z too behind if opponent goes macro style.

XXhkXX

170 Posts

June 08 2012 16:08 GMT

#187

On the new 1v1 map why are there random cliffs behind the third??? lol hasn't blizzard already learned from Taldarim and Shattered Temple that cliffs like that don't really bring anything but mass terran drops which are annoying as hell to stop? I mean atleast theres a ramp up to the cliffs, but I seriously still can't imagine running a herd of lings up there to stop a massive drop of tanks and marines, since the ramp provides a nice little choke for the tanks to fire away at T.T. I hope the get rid of the cliffs -.-. I mean also, the map seams relatively simple for a terran to split down the middle already with the walls making some pretty narrow chokes mid, so why the cliffs in the back of the thirds -.-

pdd

Australia9933 Posts

June 08 2012 16:09 GMT

#188

They just need to get rid of the rocks at the 3rd and perhaps make the cliff unpathable (sort of like in Cloud Kingdom). If they do that, I think it'll be an interesting map. We don't really have mirrored-symmetry maps which have no spawns disabled and it would be great if this map actually got in with those tweaks.

s3rp

Germany3192 Posts

June 08 2012 16:10 GMT

#189

The sad reality is rocks are probably a good idea for a Map in the current Metagame of TvZ since its impossible to force units yourself these days at least let the Map do it.

CrtBalorda

Slovenia704 Posts

June 08 2012 16:11 GMT

#190

The fuuuuuck. Im not seeing tournoments with tal darim or shakuras in them! Also the 3d base in the new map has to be blocked by fucking rocks, my god blizzard. Why does every map suck these days. Every map maker just says, well in a 2v2 this player gets these 4 free bases and then we just mirror everything, also rocks at the 3d for no reason, also half bases are not allowed, so arent gaseless bases.

Most badly is that every map has small center space, its made up of choke points. Also I feel like the only reason shakuras and tal darim are still in here is cuz blizzard is to lazy ot make new maps.

Glurkenspurk

United States1915 Posts

June 08 2012 16:11 GMT

#191

So I think this finally proves that the people who make the ladder map pool are actually retarded. They must actually have some sort of mental disability to constantly make terrible decisions when it comes to map making and map pool making.

Why rocks on the 3rd? Why no neutral depots? Why TDA still!?

Rantech

Chile527 Posts

June 08 2012 16:12 GMT

#192

That 1v1 map looks good, but if they don't get rid of the 3rd's rocks it is going to have my veto right away :/

canSore

132 Posts

June 08 2012 16:13 GMT

#193

What are those balance issues with korahl?

J_Slim

United States199 Posts

June 08 2012 16:13 GMT

#194

I liked Korhal =(

fenrysk

United States364 Posts

June 08 2012 16:13 GMT

#195

I wonder why Blizzard doesn't more actively keep only certain spawns active, it's the reason I still veto Antiga even though I'd love to play on it if it were cross-only.

ESV map making philosophy is that cross-only is a crutch that encourages poor design. It also encourages players to be lazy/greedy with scouting (or lack thereof). I think this line of thought is what Blizzard map team also looks at. Cross-only also enables the use of specific proxy cheese too, which maybe in certain long bo5+ tournament series would be okay, but it would be pretty annoying on the ladder.

However, I think half bases would be a good way to re-integrate the concept of gold bases, or maybe scattered gold patches at a half base. The original concept of half bases from the GSL mapmakers (as seen on GSL version of daybreak and also GSL version of Atlantis Spacebear) is that you're deciding if you want resources or positioning. I'd like to see this concept further explored rather than always defaulting to destructible rocks. I prefer seeing destructible rocks used across the map on choke areas the way they are in Metropolis and Cloud Kingdom, rather than a forced delay on 3rd bases.

AKomrade

United States582 Posts

June 08 2012 16:13 GMT

#196

No Metro this season. Sad trombone..

andeh

United States904 Posts

June 08 2012 16:16 GMT

#197

Third rocks and they can't make it truly symmetrical like fighting spirit? Nope, will probably never play and please god don't let it be used in tournaments.

Blizzard map -_-

Lithian

Finland38 Posts

June 08 2012 16:18 GMT

#198

Just some food for thougts, if every map was made so that there's an easy third to take, wouldn't we just be okay with a single map. If every map had same characteristic, every match would play out the same way.

Uncultured

United States1340 Posts

June 08 2012 16:18 GMT

#199

Zergs always like to bitch about, and liken entombed and Terminus to this new map. They dogg on maps with rocks at the third all the time, like Tal Darim. Saying how imbalanced they are. Well, news flash, people. These maps are balanced statistically.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/448_Crux_Tal'Darim_Altar_LE

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/527

Can't find Terminus with the rocks, but check out that stats for without the rocks... lol 75% in zerg favor No wonder you Zergs don't like the rocks. You like winning every game, kinda like on metal.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/443_Crux_Terminus_SE

Also, this highground that has easy access with ramp... No terran is going to risk a siege there. Way too much investment that can be stopped by one scouting ling.

Typical whining that comes with every map update. Back your opinions on rocks at the third up with some facts if you're going to spout that nonsense.