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honestly i don't think that it is too bad and i think that Terrans will find new ways to handle the new queen.
eventhough under 40% winrate for Terran vs Zerg in korea is pretty bad...
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
honestly i don't think that it is too bad and i think that Terrans will find new ways to handle the new queen. eventhough under 40% winrate for Terran vs Zerg in korea is pretty bad... | ||
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Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
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jdsowa
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
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Witten
United States2094 Posts
On June 07 2012 21:30 dacimvrl wrote: code S? previous season? did you even watch it? look it up before you pull things out of your......hat? and before you even mention code A, you know how it works right? The *plentiful* Terran players get knocked out of code S, where do they go? OH WAIIIITTT. /criticalthinkplease Yeah I did watch last season which had the most Terrans than any other race in Ro32 and had one terran in every round (no zergs in Ro8 onward). Besides I'm talking about the upcoming season which has more Terrans in code S and code A than any other race. How did you possibly get anything else from my post? | ||
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xrapture
United States1644 Posts
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Iamyournoob
Germany595 Posts
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Witten
United States2094 Posts
On June 07 2012 22:47 canikizu wrote: Yeah, it's not like Terran is doing bad on ladder either. I mean the highest Terran rank on KR ladder is rank 10, couple weeks ago the highest rank was rank 20, so they're getting better. Terran is so whiny nowaday. I don't see a lot of GM Korean Terrans posting on Teamliquid about how playing Terran is impossible. | ||
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Antares_
Poland269 Posts
<sarcasm mode off> Those statistics just show us, that the latest balance whine raised by Terran players wasn't out of place. TvP on this statistics looks pretty much balanced, but I want to see a statistic which shows how many of those wins were achieved after Terran all-ined. I'm pretty sure it would be at least 25-30%. Even tough the latest balance patch didn't directly affect Terran, but. Queen range = no hellion opening. No hellion opening = Drones, drones, drones, drones, queen, drones, drones... For the first 6 to 8 minutes. By then, Zergs economy is gigantic compared to Terrans. Then, Observer production time. I was playing mech in TvP pretty often with cloack banshee opening. Even if the opponent did a fast robo, his Observer was out of position and I could kill at least 6-10 probes, before he produced another one. Now, with chronoboost it takes 15 seconds to build an observer. By far, out of 8 games I did cloack banshee opening, the maximum i managed to kill was 7 probes... And Robotics was very late, only 50% done, when my banshee finished. I've had like 8 different openings for TvP, 5 for TvZ. Now, after this patch it's reduced to 5 for TvP and 2 for TvZ, because the rest became irrelevant after the changes. What is more disturbing, Blizz said that the next patch 1.5.0 will not include any balance changes. After 1.5.0 it is said, that there will be no updates until HotS. Fortunately, my PvT is around 70%, PvZ around 66% on my smurf acc. Just hope I won't be getting many PvPs (42% win) and manage to stay in Masters... EDIT:// @Written - Quote from MKPs twitter (https://twitter.com/MKPS2/status/210345589035114499): @sk__mc Z >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P>T Also, you can watch Slayers house tour, where someone (think it was Miya) was shouting that Toss is OP. | ||
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Twelve12
Australia268 Posts
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Recognizable
Netherlands1552 Posts
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Kluey
Canada1197 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38199 Posts
On June 07 2012 22:59 Witten wrote: I don't see a lot of GM Korean Terrans posting on Teamliquid about how playing Terran is impossible. You should read twitter more instead =p | ||
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NexCa
Germany954 Posts
On June 07 2012 23:02 Zeetox wrote: David Kim would agree with me, Terran is still OP. -25% damage and health for bio units in the next patch will do. <sarcasm mode off> Those statistics just show us, that the latest balance whine raised by Terran players wasn't out of place. TvP on this statistics looks pretty much balanced, but I want to see a statistic which shows how many of those wins were achieved after Terran all-ined. I'm pretty sure it would be at least 25-30%. Even tough the latest balance patch didn't directly affect Terran, but. Queen range = no hellion opening. No hellion opening = Drones, drones, drones, drones, queen, drones, drones... For the first 6 to 8 minutes. By then, Zergs economy is gigantic compared to Terrans. Then, Observer production time. I was playing mech in TvP pretty often with cloack banshee opening. Even if the opponent did a fast robo, his Observer was out of position and I could kill at least 6-10 probes, before he produced another one. Now, with chronoboost it takes 15 seconds to build an observer. By far, out of 8 games I did cloack banshee opening, the maximum i managed to kill was 7 probes... And Robotics was very late, only 50% done, when my banshee finished. I've had like 8 different openings for TvP, 5 for TvZ. Now, after this patch it's reduced to 5 for TvP and 2 for TvZ, because the rest became irrelevant after the changes. What is more disturbing, Blizz said that the next patch 1.5.0 will not include any balance changes. After 1.5.0 it is said, that there will be no updates until HotS. Fortunately, my PvT is around 70%, PvZ around 66% on my smurf acc. Just hope I won't be getting many PvPs (42% win) and manage to stay in Masters... EDIT:// @Written - Quote from MKPs twitter (https://twitter.com/MKPS2/status/210345589035114499): Also, you can watch Slayers house tour, where someone (think it was Miya) was shouting that Toss is OP. even tho you're probably just low masters, you should change your race if your pvt is 70% and pvz 66% When I look at the GSL when MKP is allkilling everything with just A move, i am sure every other Terran can do that too | ||
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xrapture
United States1644 Posts
On June 07 2012 23:06 Kluey wrote: The queen change is recent, it takes time for the metagame to balance out. Helions were so important. Terran still has to go helions to have some sort of map presence and to scout all ins. Not to mention helions are almost a neccesity to stop ling bane all ins. But now, since "helions are trash" (Ret's words), Zerg is free to drone up and spread creep with 4 queen opening. It's kind of ridiculous when you try to kill 1 creep tumor and 2 queens brings one of your helions to red and the creep tumor doesn't even die. | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On June 07 2012 23:09 NexCa wrote: even tho you're probably just low masters, you should change your race if your pvt is 70% and pvz 66% When I look at the GSL when MKP is allkilling everything with just A move, i am sure every other Terran can do that too A move and A move 5 times per second is not exactly the same thing... | ||
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NoDDiE
Poland170 Posts
and seriously why they changed range from 3 (seems a bit unfair for zerg) to 5 (IS A LOT UNFAIR FOR TERRAN) shouldnt such changes be made "Step by step" like doing it 3 --> 4 see how it turns out, isntead 3-->5 that way t should actually focus more on micro while doing 2 raxes//hellion pressure. and creep spread wouldnt be so easy as it is now. + reapers wouldnt be as much useless + scouting scv's would survive a bit longer. | ||
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DawN883
Sweden558 Posts
I was thinking the exact same thing. There was also a interview with MMA and he got the following question: Q: TvZ has not been looking good for Terran recently, what kind of opener do you currently favour? And how do you deal with creep tumours nowadays? A: Zerg is now very very strong! Not too long ago I was complaining to a very strong ZvT player, and he told be that ZvT now is very easy. Giving the queens equal range as Hellions have made it very difficult to limit creep T_T Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342211 | ||
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Gorlin
United States2753 Posts
On June 07 2012 23:11 DawN883 wrote: I was thinking the exact same thing. There was also a interview with MMA and he got the following question: Q: TvZ has not been looking good for Terran recently, what kind of opener do you currently favour? And how do you deal with creep tumours nowadays? A: Zerg is now very very strong! Not too long ago I was complaining to a very strong ZvT player, and he told be that ZvT now is very easy. Giving the queens equal range as Hellions have made it very difficult to limit creep T_T Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342211 The thing is though that limiting creep should not be easy, in my opinion. Dealing early damage and containing the zerg should not be easy. And I think that's what the problem was, doing that before the patch was too easy (relatively speaking). The queen buff may have made it too hard (I believe it is too early to tell definitively, although I am starting to lean to the side that it is too hard), but the fact that it used to be easy shows that there was a problem, since so few zerg players were able to make it difficult. You would often see the zerg player quite often just die to the first 4 hellions if they hadn't invested in an extreme amount of defense. Also, MMA is far and away my favorite player so I'm not just attacking his opinion or whatever. Also, that is a terrible OP, put your opinions in a comment, not there. | ||
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MateShade
Australia736 Posts
On June 07 2012 20:27 Digamma wrote: tvp 49,3% - 50,7% tvz 45,1% - 54,9% zvp 52,5% - 47,5% meaning protoss is 50.7% against terran. Read the graph again. T> p in Korea. Why do we even bother releasing these graphs. Seriously shut up. If Terran is so weak, it will begin to show consistently after a long period of time. This is the first month Terran has begun to look underpowered statistically and only in tvz. Until then what the fuck do you want anyone to do about it? | ||
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