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I am with many of you, I immediately mute the stream when I see that Rob Simpson is casting. I don't hate him or anything, but I just can not take anything he says regarding the games seriously. The fact is he makes blatantly incorrect analysis in most situations, and puts question mark inflections at the end of 75% of statements he makes. I'm glad that at least he is not confident in the ridiculous things he is saying... It is maddening to the point of my girlfriend actually yelling at me to mute the game from the other room when he begins talking.
I bought the spring pass, but I will not be buying the summer one if Rob is still casting in the same capacity as he has been lately. I love the way the streams are set up, and every other caster is awesome, including JP, who is catching a lot of flak for some reason.
I know this sounds mean, and I'm sure Rob is a nice guy and everything, but there must be something behind the scenes that he can do instead of casting games.
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On June 01 2012 20:04 takingbackoj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 18:04 Mirrikh wrote:
Some people, myself included, aren't so much interested who is casting, because they are all great, but are more interested why Day 9 isn't there.
So does anyone know the reason? If so please update it on the main page.
Thanks. What? Why would someone uptdate the main page as to why someone is not going to be at the tournament the thread is talking about? Should we also update the main page to include why HD isn't there? Wolf? Khaldor? 2gd? Lebron James? Day9 isn't a part of MLG, he isn't required to be there, why would anyone post the reasons of a random guy not showing up to an MLG event? What if Day9 hates MLG? What if he's getting his tooth pulled? Who cares, it changes nothing.
I care. Some answer here in the thread would be enough also.
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On June 01 2012 19:46 imCookies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 19:33 Atropin wrote:
Personally i could do very well without rob simpson. For me he is just too polished, too suit-wearer and too much of "had never been a nerd, but sees the money in it now".
I still have the feeling that him being there is some kind of contract with blizzard like *they make the servers stable, but every mlg has to have him in their caster line-ups*
Where the heck did he come from and who thought it would be a good idea to have him in there? This is one way of Blizzard showing their support for the scene in having Rob. They may not do much but they are a huge game developer with many teams working on multiple projects. Blizzard would not have hired him if he was not in any way qualified for on of their eSports positions. Just some food for thought.
This is just bad logic. Of course no one is saying he isn't qualified for one of the thousands of paid positions in all of esports, but casting requires an intimate knowledge of the game, and he just clearly is not experienced enough to provide decent commentary.
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On June 01 2012 20:15 Demorase wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 20:06 ReturnStroke wrote:On June 01 2012 19:54 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 19:41 Tyrant0 wrote:On June 01 2012 18:39 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 18:14 ggrrg wrote:On June 01 2012 15:41 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote:On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote:
im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever. I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG. I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh. No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim. That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam. While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game? He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel. His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game. You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is. I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too. Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean. And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point. My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players. I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother. Yesterday iNcontroL mentioned that Day9 has been laddering a lot lately is "frickin' good". his protoss in particular. We might not be able to talk down on his understanding of the game for much longer. Source: http://www.twitch.tv/incontroltv/b/319981592 ~5:16:40 into video. I stand corrected then thank you for the link very informative  , it's great to hear he's dedicating more time into playing at high level than I originally (mistakenly) thought. Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 20:08 Tyrant0 wrote:On June 01 2012 19:54 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 19:41 Tyrant0 wrote:On June 01 2012 18:39 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 18:14 ggrrg wrote:On June 01 2012 15:41 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote:On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote:
im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever. I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG. I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh. No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim. That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam. While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game? He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel. His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game. You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is. I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too. Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean. And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point. My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players. I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother. I remember that SotG too. I don't even remember what they were arguing about but that was around the era where IdrA complained about ZvP (as he always did) despite the massive 70-30 differential in winrates for months in pro games. It was two players colliding with opinions. IdrA chose to put himself out there (as he always does) on his opinion of zerg balance, REGARDLESS of whether it was right or wrong. Day9 chose to be politically correct and not get into a debate without evidence (which there really is none because it's too subjective, not even a year past then). Point really is, if you're basing your opinion of day9 on that episode, you probably don't understand the game that well either to even judge. They were arguing about how zerg had trouble scouting early on, which ultimately lead to Blizz buffing the overlord speed just now in the last patch. I guess time gave reason to Idra on that one
That would assume the overlord buff was correct. Or that zerg was incapable of functioning in high level games without the advanced scouting of protoss/terran before the buff....Or that IdrA even had the correct knowledge of balance within the simplicity of stating the obvious that zerg has the weakest scouting options and whether or not it actually made them weaker than the other races comparatively. It also assumes Blizzard is always correct in their balance changes, lol. SC2 isn't that black and white.
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On June 01 2012 20:22 belatube wrote:
whose Day9?
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Day(9)
Just the most succesfull pro player among all the casters of starcraft 2 out there at the moment.
On June 01 2012 20:24 Tyrant0 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 20:15 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 20:06 ReturnStroke wrote:On June 01 2012 19:54 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 19:41 Tyrant0 wrote:On June 01 2012 18:39 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 18:14 ggrrg wrote:On June 01 2012 15:41 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote:On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote:
im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever. I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG. I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh. No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim. That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam. While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game? He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel. His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game. You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is. I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too. Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean. And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point. My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players. I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother. Yesterday iNcontroL mentioned that Day9 has been laddering a lot lately is "frickin' good". his protoss in particular. We might not be able to talk down on his understanding of the game for much longer. Source: http://www.twitch.tv/incontroltv/b/319981592 ~5:16:40 into video. I stand corrected then thank you for the link very informative , it's great to hear he's dedicating more time into playing at high level than I originally (mistakenly) thought. On June 01 2012 20:08 Tyrant0 wrote:On June 01 2012 19:54 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 19:41 Tyrant0 wrote:On June 01 2012 18:39 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 18:14 ggrrg wrote:On June 01 2012 15:41 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote:On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote:
im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever. I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG. I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh. No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim. That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam. While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game? He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel. His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game. You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is. I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too. Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean. And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point. My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players. I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother. I remember that SotG too. I don't even remember what they were arguing about but that was around the era where IdrA complained about ZvP (as he always did) despite the massive 70-30 differential in winrates for months in pro games. It was two players colliding with opinions. IdrA chose to put himself out there (as he always does) on his opinion of zerg balance, REGARDLESS of whether it was right or wrong. Day9 chose to be politically correct and not get into a debate without evidence (which there really is none because it's too subjective, not even a year past then). Point really is, if you're basing your opinion of day9 on that episode, you probably don't understand the game that well either to even judge. They were arguing about how zerg had trouble scouting early on, which ultimately lead to Blizz buffing the overlord speed just now in the last patch. I guess time gave reason to Idra on that one That would assume the overlord buff was correct. Or that zerg was incapable of functioning in high level games without the advanced scouting of protoss/terran before the buff....Or that IdrA even had the correct knowledge of balance within the simplicity of stating the obvious that zerg has the weakest scouting options and whether or not it actually made them weaker than the other races comparatively. It also assumes Blizzard is always correct in their balance changes, lol. SC2 isn't that black and white.
Also, you can't expect him to know everything, i'm sure that the best pro players out there probably have better insight of their playing races than day9, he has to know a lot about every race to be a good caster. What i do think, is that he has more knowledge than the other casters, not compared to the pro players.
Anyway, i hope that the fact that this thread was turned into a discussion about Day9 would make MLG management understand that he is important to the community and hopefully they will try to come to an agreement to have him at next events ( or whatever other issues that made this impossible now ).
This will be my last post on this subject.
Good day to you all.
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I would have obviously loved to see DayNiner there casting, but if problems keep him away, that's life 
All the casters there are awesome anyway!
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On June 01 2012 20:24 Tyrant0 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 20:15 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 20:06 ReturnStroke wrote:On June 01 2012 19:54 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 19:41 Tyrant0 wrote:On June 01 2012 18:39 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 18:14 ggrrg wrote:On June 01 2012 15:41 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote:On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote:
im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever. I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG. I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh. No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim. That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam. While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game? He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel. His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game. You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is. I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too. Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean. And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point. My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players. I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother. Yesterday iNcontroL mentioned that Day9 has been laddering a lot lately is "frickin' good". his protoss in particular. We might not be able to talk down on his understanding of the game for much longer. Source: http://www.twitch.tv/incontroltv/b/319981592 ~5:16:40 into video. I stand corrected then thank you for the link very informative , it's great to hear he's dedicating more time into playing at high level than I originally (mistakenly) thought. On June 01 2012 20:08 Tyrant0 wrote:On June 01 2012 19:54 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 19:41 Tyrant0 wrote:On June 01 2012 18:39 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 18:14 ggrrg wrote:On June 01 2012 15:41 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote:On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote:
im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever. I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG. I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh. No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim. That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam. While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game? He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel. His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game. You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is. I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too. Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean. And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point. My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players. I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother. I remember that SotG too. I don't even remember what they were arguing about but that was around the era where IdrA complained about ZvP (as he always did) despite the massive 70-30 differential in winrates for months in pro games. It was two players colliding with opinions. IdrA chose to put himself out there (as he always does) on his opinion of zerg balance, REGARDLESS of whether it was right or wrong. Day9 chose to be politically correct and not get into a debate without evidence (which there really is none because it's too subjective, not even a year past then). Point really is, if you're basing your opinion of day9 on that episode, you probably don't understand the game that well either to even judge. They were arguing about how zerg had trouble scouting early on, which ultimately lead to Blizz buffing the overlord speed just now in the last patch. I guess time gave reason to Idra on that one That would assume the overlord buff was correct. Or that zerg was incapable of functioning in high level games without the advanced scouting of protoss/terran before the buff....Or that IdrA even had the correct knowledge of balance within the simplicity of stating the obvious that zerg has the weakest scouting options and whether or not it actually made them weaker than the other races comparatively. It also assumes Blizzard is always correct in their balance changes, lol. SC2 isn't that black and white.
Come on. Idra was right on that one let's just leave it at that alright
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On June 01 2012 20:27 beep. wrote:http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Day(9)Just the most succesfull pro player among all the casters of starcraft 2 out there at the moment. Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 20:24 Tyrant0 wrote:On June 01 2012 20:15 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 20:06 ReturnStroke wrote:On June 01 2012 19:54 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 19:41 Tyrant0 wrote:On June 01 2012 18:39 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 18:14 ggrrg wrote:On June 01 2012 15:41 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote:
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I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG. I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh. No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim. That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam. While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game? He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel. His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game. You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is. I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too. Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean. And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point. My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players. I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother. Yesterday iNcontroL mentioned that Day9 has been laddering a lot lately is "frickin' good". his protoss in particular. We might not be able to talk down on his understanding of the game for much longer. Source: http://www.twitch.tv/incontroltv/b/319981592 ~5:16:40 into video. I stand corrected then thank you for the link very informative , it's great to hear he's dedicating more time into playing at high level than I originally (mistakenly) thought. On June 01 2012 20:08 Tyrant0 wrote:On June 01 2012 19:54 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 19:41 Tyrant0 wrote:On June 01 2012 18:39 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 18:14 ggrrg wrote:On June 01 2012 15:41 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote:
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I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG. I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh. No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim. That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam. While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game? He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel. His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game. You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is. I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too. Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean. And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point. My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players. I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother. I remember that SotG too. I don't even remember what they were arguing about but that was around the era where IdrA complained about ZvP (as he always did) despite the massive 70-30 differential in winrates for months in pro games. It was two players colliding with opinions. IdrA chose to put himself out there (as he always does) on his opinion of zerg balance, REGARDLESS of whether it was right or wrong. Day9 chose to be politically correct and not get into a debate without evidence (which there really is none because it's too subjective, not even a year past then). Point really is, if you're basing your opinion of day9 on that episode, you probably don't understand the game that well either to even judge. They were arguing about how zerg had trouble scouting early on, which ultimately lead to Blizz buffing the overlord speed just now in the last patch. I guess time gave reason to Idra on that one That would assume the overlord buff was correct. Or that zerg was incapable of functioning in high level games without the advanced scouting of protoss/terran before the buff....Or that IdrA even had the correct knowledge of balance within the simplicity of stating the obvious that zerg has the weakest scouting options and whether or not it actually made them weaker than the other races comparatively. It also assumes Blizzard is always correct in their balance changes, lol. SC2 isn't that black and white. Also, you can't expect him to know everything, i'm sure that the best pro players out there probably have better insight of their playing races than day9, he has to know a lot about every race to be a good caster. What i do think, is that he has more knowledge than the other casters, not compared to the pro players.
I never claimed nor expect him to know everything. But to say he's not as smart as other casters because he doesn't, (without even putting this burden upon other comparative "analytical casters") is, a ridiculous notion.
On June 01 2012 20:32 Demorase wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 20:24 Tyrant0 wrote:On June 01 2012 20:15 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 20:06 ReturnStroke wrote:On June 01 2012 19:54 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 19:41 Tyrant0 wrote:On June 01 2012 18:39 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 18:14 ggrrg wrote:On June 01 2012 15:41 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote:
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I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG. I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh. No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim. That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam. While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game? He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel. His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game. You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is. I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too. Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean. And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point. My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players. I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother. Yesterday iNcontroL mentioned that Day9 has been laddering a lot lately is "frickin' good". his protoss in particular. We might not be able to talk down on his understanding of the game for much longer. Source: http://www.twitch.tv/incontroltv/b/319981592 ~5:16:40 into video. I stand corrected then thank you for the link very informative , it's great to hear he's dedicating more time into playing at high level than I originally (mistakenly) thought. On June 01 2012 20:08 Tyrant0 wrote:On June 01 2012 19:54 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 19:41 Tyrant0 wrote:On June 01 2012 18:39 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 18:14 ggrrg wrote:On June 01 2012 15:41 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote:
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I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG. I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh. No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim. That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam. While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game? He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel. His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game. You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is. I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too. Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean. And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point. My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players. I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother. I remember that SotG too. I don't even remember what they were arguing about but that was around the era where IdrA complained about ZvP (as he always did) despite the massive 70-30 differential in winrates for months in pro games. It was two players colliding with opinions. IdrA chose to put himself out there (as he always does) on his opinion of zerg balance, REGARDLESS of whether it was right or wrong. Day9 chose to be politically correct and not get into a debate without evidence (which there really is none because it's too subjective, not even a year past then). Point really is, if you're basing your opinion of day9 on that episode, you probably don't understand the game that well either to even judge. They were arguing about how zerg had trouble scouting early on, which ultimately lead to Blizz buffing the overlord speed just now in the last patch. I guess time gave reason to Idra on that one That would assume the overlord buff was correct. Or that zerg was incapable of functioning in high level games without the advanced scouting of protoss/terran before the buff....Or that IdrA even had the correct knowledge of balance within the simplicity of stating the obvious that zerg has the weakest scouting options and whether or not it actually made them weaker than the other races comparatively. It also assumes Blizzard is always correct in their balance changes, lol. SC2 isn't that black and white. Come on. Idra was right on that one let's just leave it at that alright
This bogs down a debate of a caster's aptitude into a debate of whether or not a particularly outspoken player who under performs compared to other prominent zergs was correct on balance - and basing that caster's aptitude on an argument between them. Not even trying to be rude to IdrA; simply speaking plainly. You shouldn't take anything he says, nor blizzard, nor day9, nor myself, nor what anyone says about sc2 for granted. They're all, ultimately, subjective and opinionated.
Either way, I'm glad Tastosis can make it out again.
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with this many casters i sincerely hope more then 1 pair will be casting the important games. Would be dreadful to watch a very important game and then having to hear TotalBiscuit rambling nosense instead of the sanity that is Tastosis.
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I don't particularly care what level Day9 plays on, although it would be nice if he streamed himself laddering every now and then. Other casters do it, and the world doesn't end. But that aside, I, as a mid-Masters player on EU, Day9's "analysis" (while casting, since I haven't watched a daily in a long time) feels very insubstantial to me. It's like Cloud said in his vlog, Day9 concentrates on random stuff which is often barely relevant to how the actual game plays out, and in the process misses the important decisions and details of execution that make one player win and the other lose. As opposed to Khaldor and Wolf for example, wherein I always feel like they're focused on the meat of the game, even if Wolf calls every battle incorrectly.
Maybe Day9 does understand the game well, but his casting comes off as "The Sean Plott Show, featuring SC2 in the background". And I feel like the amount of "No Day9, not watching" sentiment in this thread supports this idea. His fans clearly prefer to watch Day9 play Skyrim over the world's best players competing in SC2 in one of this year's largest offline tournaments. So in that sense, he's like the reverse Husky.
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On June 01 2012 21:06 Toadvine wrote:
I don't particularly care what level Day9 plays on, although it would be nice if he streamed himself laddering every now and then. Other casters do it, and the world doesn't end. But that aside, I, as a mid-Masters player on EU, Day9's "analysis" (while casting, since I haven't watched a daily in a long time) feels very insubstantial to me. It's like Cloud said in his vlog, Day9 concentrates on random stuff which is often barely relevant to how the actual game plays out, and in the process misses the important decisions and details of execution that make one player win and the other lose. As opposed to Khaldor and Wolf for example, wherein I always feel like they're focused on the meat of the game, even if Wolf calls every battle incorrectly.
Maybe Day9 does understand the game well, but his casting comes off as "The Sean Plott Show, featuring SC2 in the background". And I feel like the amount of "No Day9, not watching" sentiment in this thread supports this idea. His fans clearly prefer to watch Day9 play Skyrim over the world's best players competing in SC2 in one of this year's largest offline tournaments. So in that sense, he's like the reverse Husky.
I really hate going off topic in this thread but what kind of things do you consider random and barely relevant that Day 9 focuses on during his casts and daily streams?
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no day 9 TT
but im happy that husky is there =)
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On June 01 2012 20:22 belatube wrote:
whose Day9?
my Day9!
Anyways, any news whether we can get some HotS insight over the stream?
I cannot be the only one who is interested in that! ^.^"
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On June 01 2012 19:46 imCookies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 19:33 Atropin wrote:
Personally i could do very well without rob simpson. For me he is just too polished, too suit-wearer and too much of "had never been a nerd, but sees the money in it now".
I still have the feeling that him being there is some kind of contract with blizzard like *they make the servers stable, but every mlg has to have him in their caster line-ups*
Where the heck did he come from and who thought it would be a good idea to have him in there? This is one way of Blizzard showing their support for the scene in having Rob. They may not do much but they are a huge game developer with many teams working on multiple projects. Blizzard would not have hired him if he was not in any way qualified for on of their eSports positions. Just some food for thought.
Yes, from a commercial point of view he might be the "right choice" and i have to agree that i do not have sufficient knowledge on his background. Nevertheless, he does not strike me as anybody who comes "out of the community". He strikes me as a marketing guy. He is not authentic, more acting than casting, has a bad knowledge of the game and just annoys me. That is a personal opinion, not anything objective. End of story.
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who is going to start a Sundance hates Day[9] conspiracy thread?
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On June 01 2012 21:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
who is going to start a Sundance hates Day[9] conspiracy thread?
Well the problem is quite obvious... and it has nothing to do with any type of conspiracy between those two.
+ Show Spoiler +Capacity Limit.
The venue simply isn't big enough to contain both of their egos at the same time.
Duh.
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On June 01 2012 21:58 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 21:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
who is going to start a Sundance hates Day[9] conspiracy thread? Well the problem is quite obvious... and it has nothing to do with any type of conspiracy between those two. + Show Spoiler +Capacity Limit.
The venue simply isn't big enough to contain both of their egos at the same time.
Duh.
This, sir, is quite a sound and convincing psycho-ecological analysis.
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On June 01 2012 00:57 Duncaaaaaan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 00:55 Willba wrote:On June 01 2012 00:50 Duncaaaaaan wrote:On June 01 2012 00:48 RaZorwire wrote:On June 01 2012 00:43 Thewildfish wrote:
You are talking completely out of your ass. What has he done at all that is considered immoral? One of the more ridiculous posts I've ever seen. It was his first post, so, yeah, troll.  Anyway, really liking the casters. Glad to see Husky as more of a an MLG regular again, and I really liked Totalbiscuits casting at the Spring Arena 2, so cool that he's onboard as well. Day 9 there would have made it even better, obviously, but still, really cool line-up. Haha wow. You don't like what you hear, so you immediately call me a troll? Based on my post count? Its because the majority of accounts posting inflammatory opinions with a sub-10 post count are usually flame baiters, like you. Okay, i get it, you're a Day9 subber, to get your money's worth you have to hold him up in awe, otherwise you'll feel buyer's remorse.
4 posts.
I swear, I could kill a small child if I dropped the irony on him.
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