For those not attending in person, the weekend competition will be broadcast LIVE online via 11 streams at www.majorleaguegaming.com/live beginning June 8 at 5pm PT. Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty will be featured on six streams, and four additional streams will showcase League of Legends and one stream will feature fighting games. Fans can watch standard definition for free or purchase passes to watch ad-free in HD, and secure immediate access to VODs following the event. MLG's streaming partner is Streamworks International, a global company that specializes in delivering live, real-time video to internet-enabled devices.
Some of the most talented casters in the world of eSports will be commentating the tournament including:
StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty: Six streams casted by DJ Wheat, Husky, Tasteless, Artosis, Apollo, Total Biscuit, Rob Simpson, Mr. Bitter, Robin, Gwin, Jorosar, Frodan, and Kibbelz.
League of Legends: Four streams casted by Phreak, Rivington, Joe Miller, Jatt, Studio, and Dan Dinh.
Fighting Games: One stream hosted by Juicebox Abel and casted by The Answer (THE KING OF FIGHTERS), Tom Brady (Mortal Kombat), and BrewtusBibulus (Soul Calibur V).
Additionally, Blizzard Entertainment will offer a beta sneak peek of the highly anticipated StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm on 200 demo stations at the venue.
- DJ Wheat - Husky - Tasteless - Artosis - Apollo - Total Biscuit - Rob Simpson - Mr. Bitter - Robin - Gwin - Jorosar - Axeltoss - Kibbelz
No Day9, which is a shocker.
On June 01 2012 06:52 MLG_Adam wrote: Can we stop arguing/speculating about why X is not here?
We have THIRTEEN casters, plus Adebisi observing, Clutch hosting, & Hwanni/Smix translating. There is no drama or conspiracy. This is our line up. We have not had the same caster line up from one event to the next...ever. Day9 was not at Providence nor at any arena event this year. Husky has not been at an event in a long time. Change, variety, and schedule juggling is just the nature of this business. There is no reason to have an uproar over this. I understand if you like *insert caster here* and would like to see him/her cast, but please stop with the drama.
On June 01 2012 00:37 MLG_Adam wrote: This event will again be streamed via Streamworks satellite and Streamworks premium player
On June 01 2012 01:03 snailz wrote: MLGAdam, did you pay in gold to get GSL casters to cast KESPA games? maybe in oil? water? virgins?
All of the casters are dying to do the KESPA matches. 8:30PM-Midnight PST we'll have 6 streams of Kespa matches going (2 are PoV) and 4 streams of the crucial part of the LoL bracket. That will be a huge night for ESPORTS.
I dont understand, why Day9 does not go to MLG anymore... Did they fight over something? Or what? Edit: he was at winter championship, forgot about that
On June 01 2012 00:24 RusHXceL wrote: I heard Day9 had problems with MLG. why adam
Because they don't let him set up his own stream...
If that is true, that's perfectly reasonable from MLG's perspective if they want to use their own stream to cover their own event to generate some additional source of revenue.
Glad to see Apollo there as he's probably the second best analytic caster behind Artosis now imo.
I'm sad Day9 isn't there, because he's a great caster, but in a sense I'm glad. The fact that MLG thinks they can get away without him (and for the last arena, didn't have him or tasteless/artosis) is a sign that the caster pool is getting a lot better, which is a start towards the caster/player pay disparity getting fixed.
I do wish there were more analysis-focused casters in that mix, though. Artosis+Tasteless is of course a great team. Apollo is solid. After that, things drop off pretty fast. And I think there are 8 or so people they plan to use on the main streams. Really, at least half the casters should be able to do high level analysis, and that's not true in this list.
On June 01 2012 00:35 GTR wrote: beg to god tastosis do the kespa exhibition commentary
This.
Also, concerning the Day9 thing, is he shunning MLG because they don't let him be the observer for the games he casts? I remember him saying he only casts when he's controlling the camera, and don't MLG have a set camera guy now?
It would be absolute gold to see Mr Bitter and Dj Wheat cast Rotti's games lol. I'm liking the solid line up of casters, happy that I paid for my gold membership
cool but sad to see no day[9]. wonder if he will attend anyways though considering he lives nearby. Probably bad idea though he wouldn't really be able to watch the games =P
On June 01 2012 00:38 McRoG wrote: It would be absolute gold to see Mr Bitter and Dj Wheat cast Rotti's games lol. I'm liking the solid line up of casters, happy that I paid for my gold membership
I'm waiting for Sundance to say how many gold memberships they need to sell to make that happen
Does it really come as a surprise that Day9 is absent?
Every time day9 casts a tournament it has to be on his own stream, DH, Redbull, etc, is he really so stubborn that he wont cast unless he gets a ton of money and certain things?
He literally wants the biggest slice of the pie. he's greedy, he's trying to become a tycoon, and demonstrating very immoral business practices. He'll set up a sky sports equivalent for SC2, where every single tournament/event whatever will be owned by him, ran by him, and will cost money to view, not even any free SQ streams.
Better to beat him back into the corner from whence he came before it's too late.
On June 01 2012 00:41 Duncaaaaaan wrote: Does it really come as a surprise that Day9 is absent?
Every time day9 casts a tournament it has to be on his own stream, DH, Redbull, etc, is he really so stubborn that he wont cast unless he gets a ton of money and certain things?
He literally wants the biggest slice of the pie. he's greedy, he's trying to become a tycoon, and demonstrating very immoral business practices. He'll set up a sky sports equivalent for SC2, where every single tournament/event whatever will be owned by him, ran by him, and will cost money to view, not even any fee SQ streams.
Better to beat him back into the corner from whence he came before it's too late.
You are talking completely out of your ass. What has he done at all that is considered immoral? One of the more ridiculous posts I've ever seen.
On June 01 2012 00:41 Duncaaaaaan wrote: Does it really come as a surprise that Day9 is absent?
Every time day9 casts a tournament it has to be on his own stream, DH, Redbull, etc, is he really so stubborn that he wont cast unless he gets a ton of money and certain things?
He literally wants the biggest slice of the pie. he's greedy, he's trying to become a tycoon, and demonstrating very immoral business practices. He'll set up a sky sports equivalent for SC2, where every single tournament/event whatever will be owned by him, ran by him, and will cost money to view, not even any fee SQ streams.
Better to beat him back into the corner from whence he came before it's too late.
Huh what !? proof please, i dont personally like day9 anymore but your comments are a bit... baseless?
On June 01 2012 00:41 Duncaaaaaan wrote: Does it really come as a surprise that Day9 is absent?
Every time day9 casts a tournament it has to be on his own stream, DH, Redbull, etc, is he really so stubborn that he wont cast unless he gets a ton of money and certain things?
He literally wants the biggest slice of the pie. he's greedy, he's trying to become a tycoon, and demonstrating very immoral business practices. He'll set up a sky sports equivalent for SC2, where every single tournament/event whatever will be owned by him, ran by him, and will cost money to view, not even any fee SQ streams.
Better to beat him back into the corner from whence he came before it's too late.
You are talking completely out of your ass. What has he done at all that is considered immoral? One of the more ridiculous posts I've ever seen.
You've got to admit though... it's hilarious. The post made me laugh so hard. And I agree about the casting on his own stream thing.
No conspiracies here guys. Casters have other jobs/obligations outside of MLG events. I would have loved to have had Wolf in Anaheim as well but he has GSL duties. I love our line up and I hope you guys do too!
On June 01 2012 00:41 Duncaaaaaan wrote: Does it really come as a surprise that Day9 is absent?
Every time day9 casts a tournament it has to be on his own stream, DH, Redbull, etc, is he really so stubborn that he wont cast unless he gets a ton of money and certain things?
He literally wants the biggest slice of the pie. he's greedy, he's trying to become a tycoon, and demonstrating very immoral business practices. He'll set up a sky sports equivalent for SC2, where every single tournament/event whatever will be owned by him, ran by him, and will cost money to view, not even any fee SQ streams.
Better to beat him back into the corner from whence he came before it's too late.
Huh what !? proof please, i dont personally like day9 anymore but your comments are a bit... baseless?
it's not a secret that day9 has increasingly become more commercially driven over the last year. for as much work as he put into the scene before getting paid, i think he deserves it now.
On June 01 2012 00:47 Shunjal wrote: Great lineup MLG! Even though you could have zero casters and it be in black and white, and the event would still be completely epic.
Well I've heard the mods here enforce the rules a lot here, so I won't insult anyone, unlike SOME people, but there's no need to get mad. I was stating the truth.
You are talking completely out of your ass. What has he done at all that is considered immoral? One of the more ridiculous posts I've ever seen.
It was his first post, so, yeah, troll.
Anyway, really liking the casters. Glad to see Husky as more of a an MLG regular again, and I really liked Totalbiscuits casting at the Spring Arena 2, so cool that he's onboard as well. Day 9 there would have made it even better, obviously, but still, really cool line-up.
You are talking completely out of your ass. What has he done at all that is considered immoral? One of the more ridiculous posts I've ever seen.
It was his first post, so, yeah, troll.
Anyway, really liking the casters. Glad to see Husky as more of a an MLG regular again, and I really liked Totalbiscuits casting at the Spring Arena 2, so cool that he's onboard as well. Day 9 there would have made it even better, obviously, but still, really cool line-up.
Haha wow. You don't like what you hear, so you immediately call me a troll? Based on my post count?
You are talking completely out of your ass. What has he done at all that is considered immoral? One of the more ridiculous posts I've ever seen.
It was his first post, so, yeah, troll.
Anyway, really liking the casters. Glad to see Husky as more of a an MLG regular again, and I really liked Totalbiscuits casting at the Spring Arena 2, so cool that he's onboard as well. Day 9 there would have made it even better, obviously, but still, really cool line-up.
Haha wow. You don't like what you hear, so you immediately call me a troll? Based on my post count?
Get used to it.. people here automatically call you a troll if they disagree with something. It's sad really.
You are talking completely out of your ass. What has he done at all that is considered immoral? One of the more ridiculous posts I've ever seen.
It was his first post, so, yeah, troll.
Anyway, really liking the casters. Glad to see Husky as more of a an MLG regular again, and I really liked Totalbiscuits casting at the Spring Arena 2, so cool that he's onboard as well. Day 9 there would have made it even better, obviously, but still, really cool line-up.
Haha wow. You don't like what you hear, so you immediately call me a troll? Based on my post count?
Its because the majority of accounts posting inflammatory opinions with a sub-10 post count are usually flame baiters, like you.
You are talking completely out of your ass. What has he done at all that is considered immoral? One of the more ridiculous posts I've ever seen.
It was his first post, so, yeah, troll.
Anyway, really liking the casters. Glad to see Husky as more of a an MLG regular again, and I really liked Totalbiscuits casting at the Spring Arena 2, so cool that he's onboard as well. Day 9 there would have made it even better, obviously, but still, really cool line-up.
Haha wow. You don't like what you hear, so you immediately call me a troll? Based on my post count?
Its because the majority of accounts posting inflammatory opinions with a sub-10 post count are usually flame baiters, like you.
Okay, i get it, you're a Day9 subber, to get your money's worth you have to hold him up in awe, otherwise you'll feel buyer's remorse.
On June 01 2012 00:41 Duncaaaaaan wrote: Does it really come as a surprise that Day9 is absent?
Every time day9 casts a tournament it has to be on his own stream, DH, Redbull, etc, is he really so stubborn that he wont cast unless he gets a ton of money and certain things?
He literally wants the biggest slice of the pie. he's greedy, he's trying to become a tycoon, and demonstrating very immoral business practices. He'll set up a sky sports equivalent for SC2, where every single tournament/event whatever will be owned by him, ran by him, and will cost money to view, not even any free SQ streams.
Better to beat him back into the corner from whence he came before it's too late.
No just no good sir. He casted MLG Arena not long ago so it can't be something like him being busy with something else it HAS to be he wants money and everything riiight ok. Plus he's been at how many MLGs? Yeah you argument here is just invalid and nothing more then conspiracy theory which should just not be even in here.
On June 01 2012 01:03 snailz wrote: MLGAdam, did you pay in gold to get GSL casters to cast KESPA games? maybe in oil? water? virgins?
All of the casters are dying to do the KESPA matches. 8:30PM-Midnight PST we'll have 6 streams of Kespa matches going (2 are PoV) and 4 streams of the crucial part of the LoL bracket. That will be a huge night for ESPORTS.
"and four additional streams will showcase League of Legends"
There we have it people, LoL is taking over and it makes me sad to see this. Especially from MLG where I first started watching pro gaming without any form of LoL.
On June 01 2012 01:08 e945x01 wrote: "and four additional streams will showcase League of Legends"
There we have it people, LoL is taking over and it makes me sad to see this. Especially from MLG where I first started watching pro gaming without any form of LoL.
We have 11 streams, settle 4 LoL, 4 casted SC2, 2 SC2 Main Stage POV, and 1 FGC.
On June 01 2012 01:03 snailz wrote: MLGAdam, did you pay in gold to get GSL casters to cast KESPA games? maybe in oil? water? virgins?
All of the casters are dying to do the KESPA matches. 8:30PM-Midnight PST we'll have 6 streams of Kespa matches going (2 are PoV) and 4 streams of the crucial part of the LoL bracket. That will be a huge night for ESPORTS.
i hope the team realizes that Artosis & Tasteless (with them being in Korea before dawn of man) is a pair that has to >open< KESPA matches, i think nobody can hype it up as much as them, just remember BoxeR vs NaDa and similiar matches that had significant BW personalities, those guys just took it to another level...
no disrespect to DjWheat&co, but our casters from Korea are actual fanboys of these BW legends, which translates into something like
On June 01 2012 01:14 DayWalk3r wrote: MLG_Adam, any reason youre not replying to speculations on Day[9]? Did he decline any invitations to cast or was he not offered a casting spot?
On June 01 2012 01:08 e945x01 wrote: "and four additional streams will showcase League of Legends"
There we have it people, LoL is taking over and it makes me sad to see this. Especially from MLG where I first started watching pro gaming without any form of LoL.
We have 11 streams, settle 4 LoL, 4 casted SC2, 2 SC2 Main Stage POV, and 1 FGC.
Yes I have read the post, but for a new pilot game to be introduced into the circuit straight away with 4 streams is brave, I see this as sign of how confidend you are with LoL and maybe have it has a focus point in the near future by which at that point I would have stopped watching your streams and completely given up.
On June 01 2012 00:28 zManiacal wrote: Damn, no Day9? Well that's me not watching this event.
/Sarcasm
Seriously though, there's some great casting talent in there so don't let one caster not attending spoil it for you.
wow that is incredibly stupid of you to not watch a event just for a caster not being there.
Wooooooooosh
Stoked that Apollo is gonna be there! Overall really solid lineup as per usual, should be an amazing event
I lol'd and agree about Apollo. He's one of the most enjoyable casters in the scene right now. No Day9 honestly isn't as big of a deal as some people seem to think it is looking at the awesome caster lineup. Good luck to Rotterdam with the open bracket, thing's next to impossible to get through!
On June 01 2012 01:08 e945x01 wrote: "and four additional streams will showcase League of Legends"
There we have it people, LoL is taking over and it makes me sad to see this. Especially from MLG where I first started watching pro gaming without any form of LoL.
We have 11 streams, settle 4 LoL, 4 casted SC2, 2 SC2 Main Stage POV, and 1 FGC.
Yes I have read the post, but for a new pilot game to be introduced into the circuit straight away with 4 streams is brave, I see this as sign of how confidend you are with LoL and maybe have it has a focus point in the near future by which at that point I would have stopped watching your streams and completely given up.
On June 01 2012 01:08 e945x01 wrote: "and four additional streams will showcase League of Legends"
There we have it people, LoL is taking over and it makes me sad to see this. Especially from MLG where I first started watching pro gaming without any form of LoL.
We have 11 streams, settle 4 LoL, 4 casted SC2, 2 SC2 Main Stage POV, and 1 FGC.
Yes, but for the next season it will be 20 streams 9 SC2 9 LOL 2 for others. Then there will be 30 streams for next year 10 sc2 17 LOL 3 for others After that LOL take over the world.
On June 01 2012 01:14 DayWalk3r wrote: MLG_Adam, any reason youre not replying to speculations on Day[9]? Did he decline any invitations to cast or was he not offered a casting spot?
Bottom of page 3...
ahh my bad i thought that post was meant for wolf exclusively :-)
On June 01 2012 01:14 DayWalk3r wrote: MLG_Adam, any reason youre not replying to speculations on Day[9]? Did he decline any invitations to cast or was he not offered a casting spot?
Bottom of page 3...
Might want to mention this in the OP, just to cut down on the amount of people who will just read the list and then immediately start bitching without reading any of the posts.
On June 01 2012 01:08 e945x01 wrote: "and four additional streams will showcase League of Legends"
There we have it people, LoL is taking over and it makes me sad to see this. Especially from MLG where I first started watching pro gaming without any form of LoL.
We have 11 streams, settle 4 LoL, 4 casted SC2, 2 SC2 Main Stage POV, and 1 FGC.
Yes I have read the post, but for a new pilot game to be introduced into the circuit straight away with 4 streams is brave, I see this as sign of how confidend you are with LoL and maybe have it has a focus point in the near future by which at that point I would have stopped watching your streams and completely given up.
This will be our 3rd LoL event...
ahh.. . guess I should of searched it up before posting. sorry ^^
On June 01 2012 01:08 e945x01 wrote: "and four additional streams will showcase League of Legends"
There we have it people, LoL is taking over and it makes me sad to see this. Especially from MLG where I first started watching pro gaming without any form of LoL.
We have 11 streams, settle 4 LoL, 4 casted SC2, 2 SC2 Main Stage POV, and 1 FGC.
Yes I have read the post, but for a new pilot game to be introduced into the circuit straight away with 4 streams is brave, I see this as sign of how confidend you are with LoL and maybe have it has a focus point in the near future by which at that point I would have stopped watching your streams and completely given up.
This will be our 3rd LoL event...
could you perhaps disclose to us how LoL did first two times? in terms of numbers and so on...
not so long ago SC2 took main stage, is there any danger of LoL replacing it in the near future? how bout year or so?
On June 01 2012 01:03 snailz wrote: MLGAdam, did you pay in gold to get GSL casters to cast KESPA games? maybe in oil? water? virgins?
All of the casters are dying to do the KESPA matches. 8:30PM-Midnight PST we'll have 6 streams of Kespa matches going (2 are PoV) and 4 streams of the crucial part of the LoL bracket. That will be a huge night for ESPORTS.
i hope the team realizes that Artosis & Tasteless (with them being in Korea before dawn of man) is a pair that has to >open< KESPA matches, i think nobody can hype it up as much as them, just remember BoxeR vs NaDa and similiar matches that had significant BW personalities, those guys just took it to another level...
no disrespect to DjWheat&co, but our casters from Korea are actual fanboys of these BW legends, which translates into something like
Bummed there is no Day9, and seriously MLG, why use twitchtv for the arenas then your shitty player thing for everything else. Twitch tv is 100x better, please just use twitch!
How am I supposed to watch 6 streams at once?^^ I mean ok, I can look up the games that interest me most and only watch those, but with this many brilliant casters and the kespa matches at the same time, its gonna be a though decisions..
I paid for gold, along with having bought a season pass to the MLG Arenas. I am seriously pissed that there is no day9.
It's one thing if Day9 couldn't make it because of commitments, but it's an entire other thing if MLG couldn't work out a way to have Day9 there. Literally Day9 is almost half of my enjoyment at MLG events. The last championship at Providence without him (when he was at his best friend's wedding) literally was a shadow of what it could have been. That was the first tournament that I have ever turned off to play Starcraft instead of watching it.
And I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels that way.
Will seriously reconsider whether or not I want to continue paying for MLG Arenas and gold passes if Day9 continues to not be present at MLG events.
{edit for positive comment: Woohoo Apollo! and Husky! !!!}
I was about to shout and scream about the lack of Rotti.... But that he's competing in the Open Bracket is an awesome excuse Good luck Kevin!!
Otherwise nice caster line-up, even without my fav couple BitterdaM. Looking forward to any casts of Apollo. He could talk about horse dung and it would probably be entertaining xD
On June 01 2012 00:41 Duncaaaaaan wrote: Does it really come as a surprise that Day9 is absent?
Every time day9 casts a tournament it has to be on his own stream, DH, Redbull, etc, is he really so stubborn that he wont cast unless he gets a ton of money and certain things?
He literally wants the biggest slice of the pie. he's greedy, he's trying to become a tycoon, and demonstrating very immoral business practices. He'll set up a sky sports equivalent for SC2, where every single tournament/event whatever will be owned by him, ran by him, and will cost money to view, not even any free SQ streams.
Better to beat him back into the corner from whence he came before it's too late.
On June 01 2012 00:41 Duncaaaaaan wrote: Does it really come as a surprise that Day9 is absent?
Every time day9 casts a tournament it has to be on his own stream, DH, Redbull, etc, is he really so stubborn that he wont cast unless he gets a ton of money and certain things?
He literally wants the biggest slice of the pie. he's greedy, he's trying to become a tycoon, and demonstrating very immoral business practices. He'll set up a sky sports equivalent for SC2, where every single tournament/event whatever will be owned by him, ran by him, and will cost money to view, not even any fee SQ streams.
Better to beat him back into the corner from whence he came before it's too late.
Huh what !? proof please, i dont personally like day9 anymore but your comments are a bit... baseless?
it's not a secret that day9 has increasingly become more commercially driven over the last year. for as much work as he put into the scene before getting paid, i think he deserves it now.
Just because Rob Simpson works for Blizzard doesn't mean he should constantly get these casting appearances. He is really bad, he doesn't have a detailed knowledge about the game, he is not an analytical caster, he can't carry the flow of the game. Getting really tired of having him at these events and always turn off (or switch) the stream when I see him.
On June 01 2012 00:41 Duncaaaaaan wrote: Does it really come as a surprise that Day9 is absent?
Every time day9 casts a tournament it has to be on his own stream, DH, Redbull, etc, is he really so stubborn that he wont cast unless he gets a ton of money and certain things?
He literally wants the biggest slice of the pie. he's greedy, he's trying to become a tycoon, and demonstrating very immoral business practices. He'll set up a sky sports equivalent for SC2, where every single tournament/event whatever will be owned by him, ran by him, and will cost money to view, not even any fee SQ streams.
Better to beat him back into the corner from whence he came before it's too late.
Huh what !? proof please, i dont personally like day9 anymore but your comments are a bit... baseless?
it's not a secret that day9 has increasingly become more commercially driven over the last year. for as much work as he put into the scene before getting paid, i think he deserves it now.
Is that what you're talking about?
No it's like 3 post above. The post by MLG_Adam.
On June 01 2012 00:45 MLG_Adam wrote: No conspiracies here guys. Casters have other jobs/obligations outside of MLG events. I would have loved to have had Wolf in Anaheim as well but he has GSL duties. I love our line up and I hope you guys do too!
He suggested some posts later that this applies to Day9 too.
On June 01 2012 01:38 PrimeTimey wrote: Just because Rob Simpson works for Blizzard doesn't mean he should constantly get these casting appearances. He is really bad, he doesn't have a detailed knowledge about the game, he is not an analytical caster, he can't carry the flow of the game. Getting really tired of having him at these events and always turn off (or switch) the stream when I see him.
i think i heard somewhere he worked for MLG before leaving for Blizzard... so that would explain him getting al the latest casting gigs, perhaps?
I'll measure this one on how much exposure will be generated to the local scene in the WCS finals. How much would be broadcast on streams, how much the casters can tell us about the local US players etc.
Other contries have managed nicely so far, let's see how the USA does.
It's not that I'm gonna hugely miss Day[9], (though it would be nice if he was there) but its so strange, especially with all the rumours and controversy going around him at the moment, that he isn't going to this event. He was the cornerstone of MLG last year, and now he seems to have been completely fazed out of their events, for whatever reason.
Personally I would prefere 1 super awesome stream with incredible production value and no down time etc. (and maybe 2 low budget gameplay only streams or so) than 6 streams at once with great casters which no one can watch at the same time anyway.
quality > quantity If I want to introduce someone into starcraft i need 1 super awesome thing to show them, not 10 mediocre things. But I guess MLG knows its own business much better than I do.
Tastosis and Apollo + anyone is my favorite casting duos, closely followed by Bitterdam, so this will be great. Hopefully I can stay awake to watch it.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't put trashy casters with no knowledge of history as casters for the Kespa games. People who have some knowledge and history only please. I don't need random idiots with no clue trying to hype games with top names from Korea.
Artosis, Tasteless, Husky etc, who have all had experience playing or casting Broodwar and know the history of some of these players would be nice.
Wont miss Day9 honestly, and sorry to say but im glad JP isnt going to cast this time around. He's a great guy and does a lot of good work, but hes no caster. Good lineup only missing Wolf.
On June 01 2012 01:48 marcesr wrote: Personally I would prefere 1 super awesome stream with incredible production value and no down time etc. (and maybe 2 low budget gameplay only streams or so) than 6 streams at once with great casters which no one can watch at the same time anyway.
quality > quantity If I want to introduce someone into starcraft i need 1 super awesome thing to show them, not 10 mediocre things. But I guess MLG knows its own business much better than I do.
I completely agree. 2 streams is ok, that gives a little choice, but any more than 2 is just excessive (IMO).
On June 01 2012 01:48 marcesr wrote: Personally I would prefere 1 super awesome stream with incredible production value and no down time etc. (and maybe 2 low budget gameplay only streams or so) than 6 streams at once with great casters which no one can watch at the same time anyway.
quality > quantity If I want to introduce someone into starcraft i need 1 super awesome thing to show them, not 10 mediocre things. But I guess MLG knows its own business much better than I do.
I completely agree. 2 streams is ok, that gives a little choice, but any more than 2 is just excessive (IMO).
The problem is that we don't have 1 'football field' we have 40 of them, operating simultaenously for 3 days straight. 1 highly produced stream would work for a smaller event, but we feel it is a priority to get as many games broadcast as humanly possible.
On June 01 2012 00:49 fcgog wrote: were the beep is rotterdam
Rotterdam is playing in the open bracket so isn't casting.
I'm confused why they can't let him cast after he gets knocked out of the tournament though. Can somebody explain that please?
This is nuts. Casters are paid, so you want MLG to pay for a player who might or might not be available? What if he manages to make it to Sunday?
Or are you expecting Rotti to cast for free?
There's a severe lack of logic in your thought process.
But, why would he want to just hang out with friends, drink and just enjoy the event. That is a stupid plan, he should hop right on the stream and cast right away for my entertainment. For no money, too. He should love to cast and do it every chance he gets. The only reason he should be paid is to make sure that he can afford food and not die. Seriosly, where are his standards?!
On June 01 2012 01:48 marcesr wrote: Personally I would prefere 1 super awesome stream with incredible production value and no down time etc. (and maybe 2 low budget gameplay only streams or so) than 6 streams at once with great casters which no one can watch at the same time anyway.
quality > quantity If I want to introduce someone into starcraft i need 1 super awesome thing to show them, not 10 mediocre things. But I guess MLG knows its own business much better than I do.
I completely agree. 2 streams is ok, that gives a little choice, but any more than 2 is just excessive (IMO).
The problem is that we don't have 1 'football field' we have 40 of them, operating simultaenously for 3 days straight. 1 highly produced stream would work for a smaller event, but we feel it is a priority to get as many games broadcast as humanly possible.
How about para-humanly possible? It seems like you guys have your system down and really i feel you could step it up to beyond what standard humans are capable of. I mean, at the previously MLGs, your techs alone have proven that sleep is not really necessary to function.
Forgot about day9. We got Tastosis and Apollo/TB... The 2 Best english casting duos known to man... Seriously who needs day9? We know he´s all about OHHHH, Ahhhh, OMG laitly. Just imagine a Apollo/Artosis cast.... SICK analysis inc.!!
On June 01 2012 00:41 Duncaaaaaan wrote: Does it really come as a surprise that Day9 is absent?
Every time day9 casts a tournament it has to be on his own stream, DH, Redbull, etc, is he really so stubborn that he wont cast unless he gets a ton of money and certain things?
He literally wants the biggest slice of the pie. he's greedy, he's trying to become a tycoon, and demonstrating very immoral business practices. He'll set up a sky sports equivalent for SC2, where every single tournament/event whatever will be owned by him, ran by him, and will cost money to view, not even any fee SQ streams.
Better to beat him back into the corner from whence he came before it's too late.
Huh what !? proof please, i dont personally like day9 anymore but your comments are a bit... baseless?
it's not a secret that day9 has increasingly become more commercially driven over the last year. for as much work as he put into the scene before getting paid, i think he deserves it now.
On June 01 2012 00:45 MLG_Adam wrote: No conspiracies here guys. Casters have other jobs/obligations outside of MLG events. I would have loved to have had Wolf in Anaheim as well but he has GSL duties. I love our line up and I hope you guys do too!
He suggested some posts later that this applies to Day9 too.
Ohh. I thought that was just specific to wolf. Didn't (and still can't find) the followup post that says it applies to Day9 too but I'll take your word for it.
On June 01 2012 01:34 ensign_lee wrote: I paid for gold, along with having bought a season pass to the MLG Arenas. I am seriously pissed that there is no day9.
It's one thing if Day9 couldn't make it because of commitments, but it's an entire other thing if MLG couldn't work out a way to have Day9 there. Literally Day9 is almost half of my enjoyment at MLG events. The last championship at Providence without him (when he was at his best friend's wedding) literally was a shadow of what it could have been. That was the first tournament that I have ever turned off to play Starcraft instead of watching it.
And I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels that way.
Will seriously reconsider whether or not I want to continue paying for MLG Arenas and gold passes if Day9 continues to not be present at MLG events.
{edit for positive comment: Woohoo Apollo! and Husky! !!!}
This is MLG, not a Day9 daily. Why are you seriously pissed? Did someone promise you Day9 would be at every event when they sold the gold pass to you? If not, I'd suggest you just get over it and enjoy the games. Personally it makes no difference to me if Day9 is there or not. Can't wait to see some good games! :D
On June 01 2012 00:36 InMotion wrote: Sigh.. why is Rob Simpson there? He is honestly the worst caster.. really knows nothing about the game and is simply a weird person lol.
Okay.. 2nd worst to JP.
Oi, nothing wrong with Rob Simpson imo.
Although putting JP and Rob together aint great, they work better with other people defo.
On June 01 2012 00:45 avc wrote: Could it be.. no more laggy Twitch? That would be nice!
Well my personal preference goes to Tastosis and either Husky and Apollo / Dj Wheat Husky's makes the games way more energetic! probably an analytical caster like apollo suits best with him.
On June 01 2012 00:41 Duncaaaaaan wrote: Does it really come as a surprise that Day9 is absent?
Every time day9 casts a tournament it has to be on his own stream, DH, Redbull, etc, is he really so stubborn that he wont cast unless he gets a ton of money and certain things?
He literally wants the biggest slice of the pie. he's greedy, he's trying to become a tycoon, and demonstrating very immoral business practices. He'll set up a sky sports equivalent for SC2, where every single tournament/event whatever will be owned by him, ran by him, and will cost money to view, not even any free SQ streams.
Better to beat him back into the corner from whence he came before it's too late.
DEAR GOD HE'S MAKING MONEY!
WHAT TREACHERY IS THIS!? ASSEMBLE THE LYNCH MOB!
Seriously, there is nothing wrong with wanting your name on stuff when you're a major figurehead.
On June 01 2012 01:48 marcesr wrote: Personally I would prefere 1 super awesome stream with incredible production value and no down time etc. (and maybe 2 low budget gameplay only streams or so) than 6 streams at once with great casters which no one can watch at the same time anyway.
quality > quantity If I want to introduce someone into starcraft i need 1 super awesome thing to show them, not 10 mediocre things. But I guess MLG knows its own business much better than I do.
I completely agree. 2 streams is ok, that gives a little choice, but any more than 2 is just excessive (IMO).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the earlier days of SC2 being broadcasted on MLG, people were complaining about too much downtime and not enough games being casted. So now they have responded by adding streams and more games, but now "less is more"? >.<
Personally A+ job MLG and I'm looking forward to watching as many games as my wife allows :D
fuck the mob mentallity.. day9 is not there, please stop posting random crap! no one wants to know!
yay for MLG getting so many casters and so many streams..
Maybe people would expect them to have 128 players and 256 casters so that everyone would be happy... guess what? it's impossible to be 100% for everyone..
On June 01 2012 00:49 fcgog wrote: were the beep is rotterdam
Rotterdam is playing in the open bracket so isn't casting.
I'm confused why they can't let him cast after he gets knocked out of the tournament though. Can somebody explain that please?
This is nuts. Casters are paid, so you want MLG to pay for a player who might or might not be available? What if he manages to make it to Sunday?
Or are you expecting Rotti to cast for free?
There's a severe lack of logic in your thought process.
But, why would he want to just hang out with friends, drink and just enjoy the event. That is a stupid plan, he should hop right on the stream and cast right away for my entertainment. For no money, too. He should love to cast and do it every chance he gets. The only reason he should be paid is to make sure that he can afford food and not die. Seriosly, where are his standards?!
Sorry I thought him and Mr. Bitter would enjoy working together most since they are buddies and would be comfortable with that and that mlg could work a payment out for the remaining time he was available to cast. (If he becomes a caster 1/3 of the way through he gets 2/3 of what he would be payed if he was there the whole time.) If he doesn't want to cast he shouldn't and if mlg won't pay him then he doesn't have to sorry!!!
All I ask of MLG in this event and future ones is one simple thing:
DO NOT DO RANDOM CASTING DUOS!
There is a reason people like casters such as "Tastosis, Bitterdam" etc, its because they have good chemistry and are good casters, if you put something like Apollo/Tasteless its gonna be not nearly as good.
The only exception you can do is with Artosis, no matter who he is casting with, its gonna be absolutely amazing, I even think people would love Moletrap if he was with Artosis...
I understand you can't avoid it completely, but at the last MLG, we had some random casting duos that just made no sense and was just so awful.
This really is a great lineup. Good shoutcasters and good analytical casters. haven't heard apollo cast in a while, so i'm excited to see that. Positive thoughts everyone!
I like Day9. Sad he's not going to be there. I dislike TB's casting. He supposedly makes everything exciting. However, he completely falls into terrible cliches and on top of that, his attempts at analysis are terrible. Contrary to Husky, who isn't a top notch analitical caster either, but he's at least funny and spontaneous.
On June 01 2012 02:17 Hiea wrote: All I ask of MLG in this event and future ones is one simple thing:
DO NOT DO RANDOM CASTING DUOS!
There is a reason people like casters such as "Tastosis, Bitterdam" etc, its because they have good chemistry and are good casters, if you put something like Apollo/Tasteless its gonna be not nearly as good.
The only exception you can do is with Artosis, no matter who he is casting with, its gonna be absolutely amazing, I even think people would love Moletrap if he was with Artosis...
I understand you can't avoid it completely, but at the last MLG, we had some random casting duos that just made no sense and was just so awful.
How dare you suggest that Mr. Bitter is not paired with random casters instead of casting in his Bitterdam combo with good chemistry. Mr. Bitter must be paired with random casters while Rotterdam enjoys the event after elimination because he must be payed for either the the whole weekend or nothing anything in between is impossible and unprofessional.
The problem is that we don't have 1 'football field' we have 40 of them, operating simultaenously for 3 days straight. 1 highly produced stream would work for a smaller event, but we feel it is a priority to get as many games broadcast as humanly possible.
I think it's great that you want to cover so much content, and I'm sure that for a small percentage of fans it means everything.
I'm just commenting that a lot of viewers will probably keep to the primary stream, and as you do a good job of keeping the more entertaining/ crucial matches on the primary stream(s), I suspect that a lot of the minor streams won't be put to good use.
I understand the logic, and I can see why you're doing things like this, I'm just putting across my view on it.
On June 01 2012 02:14 JFCycWalker wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the earlier days of SC2 being broadcasted on MLG, people were complaining about too much downtime and not enough games being casted. So now they have responded by adding streams and more games, but now "less is more"? >.<
Personally A+ job MLG and I'm looking forward to watching as many games as my wife allows :D
The last few MLGs have been really good at avoiding down time IMO. But there are other ways to solve the downtime problem.
Yes, more streams is better than more downtime, but I was responding to agree with the other user in saying that I would rather have 1 or 2 really well organised, well produced streams than 7 streams with a somewhat "scattered" effect.
On June 01 2012 02:12 Shinespark wrote: I'd like to have an official annoucement from MLG or Day9 explaining why he won't be there, if only to kill all this speculation.
Also, I'm sad to see Rotterdam in the open bracket instead of casting. It almost makes me wanna see Mr. Bitter in the open bracket too.
I would like people to stop demanding to know why someone cannot show up for an event. What part of "prior engagements" is hard for these folks to understand? The man does a show 5-6 days a week and just cast a full two day event last weekend. He can't be at every event.
Honestly i am feeling that I´d rather watch Dreamhack Summer than pretty much any MLG..... i mean the caster lineup is great (if it´s the same) The players are better. there aren´t that many koreans and foreigners actually have chance of winning( Huk Naama Thorzain) And with ppl like Naniwa Sase Stephano Huk Ret and so on..... weill be attending that will be one of the greatest events EVER. Also Dreamhack is such a bigger event than MLG and alot cooler to watch.
Why can't Day[9] make money? I swear some of you are the most ridiculous socialists I've ever seen. Except the lazy gamer version, as opposed to everyone working together you believe everyone should work for you. We have no official word why Day[9] specifically won't be there. Is his fee too high? That's ok, it's a free market. MLG isn't the only event, they don't have a monopoly. Consequently there's nothing morally wrong with Day[9] asking for an amount, nor MLG not being willing to pay it. But maybe, just maybe, he has something else already going on.
LOOK at that line up of casters to cast an already amazing line-up of SCII players, AND KeSPA players! All for the low price of $7-8.50 (Gold Pass, a bit more without, $20 if you a la carte). That is less than a movie anywhere in the western world! I, I just can't fathom what is wrong with some of you. They literally get all but 4 casters on the entire planet and people flip out.
Btw, can I just please suggest something related to the casters/casting at MLG? PLEASE DO NOT PUT THEM BEHIND A CURTAIN IN A LOCKED ROOM 100 METERS AWAY FROM THE CROWD!
Seriously its much more fun when theyre part of the crowd and can see everybody etc. It's like theyre calling in from another planet when the crowd can only display them through the projector wall. ----
Cheers for taking my suggestiong into consideration :D (even though you probably have considered it already)
Tastosis and Apollo/TB? Those are like the two best casting duos in the world!!! Plus Wheat, Bitter and many others. Going to be a sick event. I just wish Day9 would go, its in his backyard pretty much sometimes I dont understand Day. He doesnt do SOTG anymore and doesnt do Arenas and now not even championsips? Confused
On June 01 2012 02:39 NovemberstOrm wrote: I'm pretty sure that Day9 is taking a break from casting(a vacation, not sure if it conflicts with anaheim but yeah it's most likely a vacation)
I hope Day9 doesn't lose touch with the major gaming organizations to pursue his own (AHGL?) endeavors.. he's a hard working guy, but we need more Day9!
On June 01 2012 00:41 Duncaaaaaan wrote: Does it really come as a surprise that Day9 is absent?
Every time day9 casts a tournament it has to be on his own stream, DH, Redbull, etc, is he really so stubborn that he wont cast unless he gets a ton of money and certain things?
He literally wants the biggest slice of the pie. he's greedy, he's trying to become a tycoon, and demonstrating very immoral business practices. He'll set up a sky sports equivalent for SC2, where every single tournament/event whatever will be owned by him, ran by him, and will cost money to view, not even any free SQ streams.
Better to beat him back into the corner from whence he came before it's too late.
And yet at the same time he casted a lot of MLGs without his own stream. Do not spread rumors as if they are sure thing.
Well i hope Tastosis will cast more then 4 games a day this time. last championship was realy disapppointing because even on championship sunday they didnt cast realy much apollo and total biscuit is a great addition to the lineup and any combination with wheat/rob/husky is fine for me aswell
still missing day9 but that guy deserves a realy huge break!
This sounds like it will make going to work hard. I may be developing chills and a slight fever. Damn you MLG.
Hope Day enjoys his vacation. Further, unlike others, I welcome the chance to see some new casting duos - as long as they are appropriately paired for naming purposes.
TasteBiscuit - probably not so much. (Total Less?) Apollosis - Sounds good to me. Rob to the Robin - Name sounds questionable. Would have to see. Bitter Biscuit - hilarity may ensue. BitterGwin - sounds interesting ApolloLess - sounds scary, but I think it could work
I still don't get how anyone can watch LoL but that's just me. Good luck Rotti in the open bracket, I hope you get a casted game because that would be fun.
JP - I'm glad you're not casting, but keep doing all the other things you do. I appreciate your efforts, even if your voice casting a match bothers me for reasons I don't quite understand.
Last question towards MLG - will you have the lovely and talented Smix available as a translator? That would be the icing to this cake.
I am ecstatic and angry about the casters that are casting, yet at the same time happy and infuriated about the casters that aren't there. This eventful weekend will be full of events, and I comment about them.
That sucks that day9 won't be there. But the casters they do have are all good. What matters is the games. Also i would imagine the reason rotterdam is not casting is because he will be competing with root in the open bracket.
On June 01 2012 02:48 Jaegeru wrote: Please keep TB away from the Kespa matches, if he casts them that would ruin my MLG weekend
But I'm allowed to cast the games by the more skilled players, right?
Haha, of course <3
Just that casters with a brood war background would know more about the players. TB / apollo casted finals FTW!
Seriously though I really don't want to cast the Kespa games, I'm absolutely not qualified to do that and I hope they don't need me to. Those games are special for BW fans which was a game I had no involvement in or knowledge of.
TasteBiscuit - probably not so much. (Total Less?)
This will be the first time i pay for a Starcraft 2 tournament, and im sure it's worth it, i will be tired as fuck at school in monday but hey mlg anaheim > school
Casters are once against stacked in terms of color commentators, but sparse in terms of analysts. I can't see myself watching anything that doesn't include either Apollo or Artosis.
On June 01 2012 02:48 Jaegeru wrote: Please keep TB away from the Kespa matches, if he casts them that would ruin my MLG weekend
But I'm allowed to cast the games by the more skilled players, right?
Haha, of course <3
Just that casters with a brood war background would know more about the players. TB / apollo casted finals FTW!
Seriously though I really don't want to cast the Kespa games, I'm absolutely not qualified to do that and I hope they don't need me to. Those games are special for BW fans which was a game I had no involvement in or knowledge of.
On June 01 2012 02:55 felisconcolori wrote: JP - I'm glad you're not casting, but keep doing all the other things you do. I appreciate your efforts, even if your voice casting a match bothers me for reasons I don't quite understand. \
I agree with this. I always thought JP was much better at hosting than commentating.
I know my wife will be sad that Day[9] won't be there. It was thanks to him that she started watching tournaments with me. Thankfully she also likes Tastetosis.
On June 01 2012 02:48 Jaegeru wrote: Please keep TB away from the Kespa matches, if he casts them that would ruin my MLG weekend
But I'm allowed to cast the games by the more skilled players, right?
Since the KespA pros will not play Broodwar, and their SCII gameplay is not overly much metagaming yet.. then TB's shout casting it would be much more reminiscent of a typical korean cast than some over-analysing cast.
I would imagine no Day9 is a scheduling thing. Day9 is literally everywhere and eventually the physical constraint of being only one person starts to limit your scheduling ability. He will likely be focusing on Afterhours Gaming League, RedBull LANs, and his other projects like the daily. He has also been on hiatus recently from SotG which leads me to believe its a lack of time to devote to the side projects more than anything else limiting his time.
On June 01 2012 03:08 Daehlie wrote: I would imagine no Day9 is a scheduling thing. Day9 is literally everywhere and eventually the physical constraint of being only one person starts to limit your scheduling ability. He will likely be focusing on Afterhours Gaming League, RedBull LANs, and his other projects like the daily. He has also been on hiatus recently from SotG which leads me to believe its a lack of time to devote to the side projects more than anything else limiting his time.
the AHGL is over, and so is the redbull LAN, both probably for awhile lol. He's also not doing any dailies right now, although I know he's casting that CSL stuff.
Looks good caster wise. Also nice to see Rotti in the open bracket he really is improving his game. And when he goes out early he could just cast a little if MLG let him.
SOOOOOOOOOOO pumped, I'm so envious of whoever gets to see this live! It's going to be exciting to see what casting teams they come up with, as everyone has been getting better lately. Also, if Rotti does well in the bracket that's going to rock, but if he falls early maybe he'll do some casting too!
I've always wondered why do foreign esports organizations insist on having casting teams of two only. A team of three would add so much to the cast - especially given the huge caster pool at the upcoming MLG - making "proper" combinations of casters is hardly an issue.
On June 01 2012 03:16 True_Spike wrote: I've always wondered why do foreign esports organizations insist on having casting teams of two only. A team of three would add so much to the cast - especially given the huge caster pool at the upcoming MLG - making "proper" combinations of casters is hardly an issue.
Because tri-casting setups are a fucking mess unless they have practiced together for a significant period of time.
So pumped for this. I don't really like day9's personality (or at least how he comes off through his dailies), but he is a brilliant caster, so I am a bit sad to not see him participating. But with that lineup will make more than up to it! I am also happy to see that they give lesser known casters who performed incredibly well in the past another chance to shine. Also I am looking forward to all the players participating, including the broodwar professionals.
On June 01 2012 03:16 True_Spike wrote: I've always wondered why do foreign esports organizations insist on having casting teams of two only. A team of three would add so much to the cast - especially given the huge caster pool at the upcoming MLG - making "proper" combinations of casters is hardly an issue.
Because tri-casting setups are a fucking mess unless they have practiced together for a significant period of time.
But in a sense there are three in a team, since you guys will have a dedicated observer, right?
Anyways, I do miss the quadro casts from moletrap/rise/klazart/cholera in the past... not sure whether it's because of the casters of the fact that it was a quadro cast though.
Looking forward to this. I can't say I'm a fan of the current seasonal system -- I liked the original system better with just regular MLG Anaheim/Columbus/Providence/etc. over Winter/Spring/Summer 1/2/champ -- but I do like how we're progressing in terms of casters and streams.
On June 01 2012 03:16 True_Spike wrote: I've always wondered why do foreign esports organizations insist on having casting teams of two only. A team of three would add so much to the cast - especially given the huge caster pool at the upcoming MLG - making "proper" combinations of casters is hardly an issue.
Because tri-casting setups are a fucking mess unless they have practiced together for a significant period of time.
This probably true. Most if not all of the caster guys have their roots in solo-casting, so shutting up in a duo is already hard enough :-) Seen it work though from my playhem heroes one night on the fly .. however ofc those did already cast side by side in varying duo lineups before. OR, just grab a pretty girl in a red dress and put her in the middle for screams of excitement :D
Apollo, Husky, and Artosis? Best 3 casters, great that they are here. Also Im kind of glad Day9 isnt here, it will be a nice break from his super over enthusiastic casting at Redbull.
I really like Apollo and Wheat as a combo. I don't see them cast together that often, but whenever I see them they have amazing chemistry. I hope we see them cast some games togeather.
I don't know what happened with Day9, I used to love his casting and his genuine passion but now he seems much more calculate when he talks, I don't know he doesn't seem very spontaneous. I can't really put my finger on what it is.
On June 01 2012 03:48 Demorase wrote: I don't know what happened with Day9, I used to love his casting and his genuine passion but now he seems much more calculate when he talks, I don't know he doesn't seem very spontaneous. I can't really put my finger on what it is.
Adam, the casters are looking amazing. The tournaments looking amazing (truely amazing). So stoked. Would it be possible at all for you guys to spotlight some HoTS? I know you're going to have a jam packed schedule but a little 10 minute blurb on one of the streams showing a game and some of the new units maybe?
On June 01 2012 03:48 Demorase wrote: I don't know what happened with Day9, I used to love his casting and his genuine passion but now he seems much more calculate when he talks, I don't know he doesn't seem very spontaneous. I can't really put my finger on what it is.
We watchers, just simply put, grown up
What do you mean, Artosis for example hasn't changed much since SC2 came out, I still love his casting.
On June 01 2012 03:51 Clambo wrote: Adam, the casters are looking amazing. The tournaments looking amazing (truely amazing). So stoked. Would it be possible at all for you guys to spotlight some HoTS? I know you're going to have a jam packed schedule but a little 10 minute blurb on one of the streams showing a game and some of the new units maybe?
We will have some videos provided by Blizzard that will outline HoTs updates
Thanks for the positive feedback, always great to hear
On June 01 2012 03:51 Clambo wrote: Adam, the casters are looking amazing. The tournaments looking amazing (truely amazing). So stoked. Would it be possible at all for you guys to spotlight some HoTS? I know you're going to have a jam packed schedule but a little 10 minute blurb on one of the streams showing a game and some of the new units maybe?
We will have some videos provided by Blizzard that will outline HoTs updates
Thanks for the positive feedback, always great to hear
Im really happy to see Total Biscuit on the list. I was irritated to hear LO3 and ITG praising Tastosis, who I think are obnoxious. Total Biscuit's humor was refreshing and witty.
No Rotterdam is a shame since he has amazing chemistry with Mr. Bitter
No offence intended but Rob Simpson has no chemistry with any other Caster other than Day9 listening to him cast alongside JP and a few others was like a cure for insomnia
On June 01 2012 04:01 Mackus wrote: No Rotterdam is a shame since he has amazing chemistry with Mr. Bitter
No offence intended but Rob Simpson has no chemistry with any other Caster other than Day9 listening to him cast alongside JP and a few others was like a cure for insomnia
Rob and Apollo have a pretty nice chemistry actually.
Yeah Husky! I love that Guy. A solid line-up of casters. Hoping to see Husky casting with Artosis, Apollo, and of course the classic combo with Mr Bitter, complementing analytical casters with his energy.
Awesome. So many streams and casters is great. But how do I watch that much at once?
So is the whole tournament available in LD for free? MLG is so confusing to me this year with the PPV and shit that I just have abstained... too many good free tournaments everywhere to pay $20 to see half a tournament if I have time. If it is all for free in LD then I'll probably tune in though. Have no problem watching some dumb ads too if the games and production are good.
On June 01 2012 04:23 algorithm0r wrote: Awesome. So many streams and casters is great. But how do I watch that much at once?
So is the whole tournament available in LD for free? MLG is so confusing to me this year with the PPV and shit that I just have abstained... too many good free tournaments everywhere to pay $20 to see half a tournament if I have time. If it is all for free in LD then I'll probably tune in though. Have no problem watching some dumb ads too if the games and production are good.
I think Day[9] is either more busy with everything he is doing to improve our community (the more likely option) or he has signed some kind of contract with Red Bull saying he won't cast any events but theirs but that seems unlikely to me, he loves esports too much to truly avoid this event, or he may have had issues but he never seems to be in it for the money so why would he set u his own stream, although he does do that for DH. Oh well they still have good casters, just a pity no rotti.
P.S I didn't read the whole thread before posting this so don't hate me if I am wrong or stupid, if I am wrong I apologise.
@ MLG_Adam: Apologies if this has been answered, I read most of the thread but didn't see it:
Will there be any guest-casting by players at all? Or post-match analysis? I find players like Grubby (<3) IdrA etc who I have seen cast a bit before to be fantastic with analysis, usually streets ahead of even the analytical casters. Really adds some meaningful insight.
Edit: Also super pumped that there will be free streams all weekend, though I might treat myself to a HD pass as its just after finals.
On June 01 2012 03:48 Demorase wrote: I don't know what happened with Day9, I used to love his casting and his genuine passion but now he seems much more calculate when he talks, I don't know he doesn't seem very spontaneous. I can't really put my finger on what it is.
We watchers, just simply put, grown up
What do you mean, Artosis for example hasn't changed much since SC2 came out, I still love his casting.
Artosis has always had a genuine feel though. Whereas one might say Day9 sounds a bit pretentious at times, with the whole overanalyzing of random plays. Plus the little things he does that tend to annoy people that are not among his closest fans, like the so-called almost-sect-like Fusion Core Dance (TM).
While I'm indifferent to casters' lack of knowledge (because I'm too used to hearing bs), Rob Simpson tugs me the wrong way because 50% of the time when the camera is on casters he'll stare at it and his left eyebrow goes down making a o_O sort of look. y u do dis t-t
What the fuck is up with MLG man. Why don't they let him set up his own stream? fuck em. I'm not watching this if there's no Day[9]. I'm e-mailing them too! Fellow Day[9] fans, pleeeease email MLG. WE NEED TOO!
On June 01 2012 04:47 NOOBALOPSE wrote: What the fuck is up with MLG man. Why don't they let him set up his own stream? fuck em. I'm not watching this if there's no Day[9]. I'm e-mailing them too! Fellow Day[9] fans, pleeeease email MLG. WE NEED TOO!
I refuse to believe people like this actually exist.
On June 01 2012 04:47 NOOBALOPSE wrote: What the fuck is up with MLG man. Why don't they let him set up his own stream? fuck em. I'm not watching this if there's no Day[9]. I'm e-mailing them too! Fellow Day[9] fans, pleeeease email MLG. WE NEED TOO!
I refuse to believe people like this actually exist.
Should be an amazing event. I wish Rotti was casting but it also great for him to "take a break" in a sense and just play the game and get back to competing.
People & their Day9 obsession.... People & their lack of appreciation for folks like Robin, Jorosar, Frodan, and Kibbelz.....
Having watch countless hours of Robin, Jorosar, Frodan, & Kibbelz I read some of the comments in this post & it reassured my position that the majority of society is hands down ignorant & unappreciative. All of these guys are knowledgeable, funny, yet professional SC2 entertainers. MLG is a top notch event & stake holders wouldn't sign-on a bunch of shlups that stand a chance at hindering the tremendous growth & accomplishments of MLG. I highly suggest you stop YouTubing your SC2 experience & watch many of the other live streams & casting the community puts on. While we all love Sir.9, Esports & SC2 go way beyond him ladies & gentlemen.
Casters - Congratulation on the opportunity & I look forward to sharing a weekend with you.
On June 01 2012 05:01 berndniph wrote: why on earth are the gsl code s groups on day after mlg ?? i mean, this means that maybe some code s players can't get to mlg ?!?
On June 01 2012 04:59 CorneliusJackson wrote: People & their Day9 obsession.... People & their lack of appreciation for folks like Robin, Jorosar, Frodan, and Kibbelz.....
Having watch countless hours of Robin, Jorosar, Frodan, & Kibbelz I read some of the comments in this post & it reassured my position that the majority of society is hands down ignorant & unappreciative. All of these guys are knowledgeable, funny, yet professional SC2 entertainers. MLG is a top notch event & stake holders wouldn't sign-on a bunch of shlups that stand a chance at hindering the tremendous growth & accomplishments of MLG. I highly suggest you stop YouTubing your SC2 experience & watch many of the other live streams & casting the community puts on. While we all love Sir.9, Esports & SC2 go way beyond him ladies & gentlemen.
Casters - Congratulation on the opportunity & I look forward to sharing a weekend with you.
Thatsreally saddening that Day9 won't be there, especially since all the other good casting combos are there. Im gunna miss my Day[J] Wheat Combo, especially since the next big name casting duo after Tastosis is dApollo and TB. T_T
On June 01 2012 04:47 NOOBALOPSE wrote: What the fuck is up with MLG man. Why don't they let him set up his own stream? fuck em. I'm not watching this if there's no Day[9]. I'm e-mailing them too! Fellow Day[9] fans, pleeeease email MLG. WE NEED TOO!
I refuse to believe people like this actually exist.
I just want them to leave the community as soon a possible and come back when they are better prepared to understand reality.
The amount of day9 fanboys in this thread is too damn high!! I didn't think he had such a cult following, seems you guys want to see him more than the top notch players.
I can picture guys from the pro scene just getting bent late at night and coming to these threads and laughing at all the theories everyone makes about behind the scenes shit.
On June 01 2012 04:59 CorneliusJackson wrote: People & their Day9 obsession.... People & their lack of appreciation for folks like Robin, Jorosar, Frodan, and Kibbelz.....
Having watch countless hours of Robin, Jorosar, Frodan, & Kibbelz I read some of the comments in this post & it reassured my position that the majority of society is hands down ignorant & unappreciative. All of these guys are knowledgeable, funny, yet professional SC2 entertainers. MLG is a top notch event & stake holders wouldn't sign-on a bunch of shlups that stand a chance at hindering the tremendous growth & accomplishments of MLG. I highly suggest you stop YouTubing your SC2 experience & watch many of the other live streams & casting the community puts on. While we all love Sir.9, Esports & SC2 go way beyond him ladies & gentlemen.
Casters - Congratulation on the opportunity & I look forward to sharing a weekend with you.
While I've not seen too much of Jorosar and Kibbelz I agree with on the Frodan, Robin front. Those 2 guys have a great chemistry with eachother and are some really up and coming casters. I was so psyched when Frodan got his NASL gig, and even more so when public reaction was possitive.
On June 01 2012 03:51 Clambo wrote: Adam, the casters are looking amazing. The tournaments looking amazing (truely amazing). So stoked. Would it be possible at all for you guys to spotlight some HoTS? I know you're going to have a jam packed schedule but a little 10 minute blurb on one of the streams showing a game and some of the new units maybe?
We will have some videos provided by Blizzard that will outline HoTs updates
Thanks for the positive feedback, always great to hear
Whoa, whoa, wait, what about the news in the announcement thread a few weeks ago saying that HotS would have its own stream? Why has this been reduced from a whole stream to just "some videos provided by Blizzard"?
On June 01 2012 05:03 below66 wrote: The amount of day9 fanboys in this thread is too damn high!! I didn't think he had such a cult following, seems you guys want to see him more than the top notch players.
I can picture guys from the pro scene just getting bent late at night and coming to these threads and laughing at all the theories everyone makes about behind the scenes shit.
You should check his stream chat, there is so much circle-jerking it's crazy. I made a pretty benign comment about Day9 sounding pretty tired on his stream last night, and for him to step it up (nothing even close to negative) and suddenly like 30 people started calling me "troll" or "hater" and making fun of my username and shit like that... Think I'll just hide chat when i watch future dailies.
Additionally, Blizzard Entertainment will offer a beta sneak peek of the highly anticipated StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm on 200 demo stations at the venue.
Additionally, Blizzard Entertainment will offer a beta sneak peek of the highly anticipated StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm on 200 demo stations at the venue.
That's a a lot of demo stations O.O
They were stupid not to announce this sort of information way in advance, If they had got their shit together this could have been this years Blizzcon.
Whoa, whoa, wait, what about the news in the announcement thread a few weeks ago saying that HotS would have its own stream? Why has this been reduced from a whole stream to just "some videos provided by Blizzard"?
It's the same as this: "Fans can watch standard definition for free " and then the fineprint in the stream details announce, that the two sc2 premium streams are still.. well.. premium as usual.
Be it hype, marketing or wording, don't take things for granted until you see them and verify.
Additionally, Blizzard Entertainment will offer a beta sneak peek of the highly anticipated StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm on 200 demo stations at the venue.
That's a a lot of demo stations O.O
They were stupid not to announce this sort of information way in advance, If they had got their shit together this could have been this years Blizzcon.
Ummm everyone already knew HotS was gonna be at Anaheim and has for a good bit.
Gretorp (His obvious social anxiety is not fun to watch) JP (Just the way he carries himself) TB (Used to like him but he's all over the place now) Catspj (Seems a bit selfish caster)
Additionally, Blizzard Entertainment will offer a beta sneak peek of the highly anticipated StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm on 200 demo stations at the venue.
That's a a lot of demo stations O.O
They were stupid not to announce this sort of information way in advance, If they had got their shit together this could have been this years Blizzcon.
Ummm everyone already knew HotS was gonna be at Anaheim and has for a good bit.
On June 01 2012 05:15 Ale. wrote: This is perfect. Casters I can't stand:
Gretorp (His obvious social anxiety is not fun to watch) JP (Just the way he carries himself) TB (Used to like him but he's all over the place now) Catspj (Seems a bit selfish caster)
It's got none of those!
Except for TB....
Also Gretorp has come a long way now, his casts with Frodan have been pretty good. As for TB & CatsPJ, I've always liked them.
Wow, the Day9 cult sure is powerful. It's kind of a pity actually, we now have multiple caster teams with better chemistry and game knowledge than Day9+lackey - Bitterdam, Khaldor+Wolf (is there a name for that?), even TB+Apollo, not to speak of Tastosis. And yet it's still all about Sean Plott. Makes one wonder if he really helps grow e-sports, or just his personal fanclub which will watch him play Skyrim and whatever else just as well as SC2.
Got to say its a sick casting lineup like the fact that we have TB and Apollo, Tastosis and MrBitter makes up for not having day9 I think. Maybe we can have ROOTerdam if he gets knocked out early :-)
Additionally, Blizzard Entertainment will offer a beta sneak peek of the highly anticipated StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm on 200 demo stations at the venue.
That's a a lot of demo stations O.O
They were stupid not to announce this sort of information way in advance, If they had got their shit together this could have been this years Blizzcon.
Ummm everyone already knew HotS was gonna be at Anaheim and has for a good bit.
Not at this kind of scale.
They did announce that there would be exactly this months ago.
Additionally, Blizzard Entertainment will offer a beta sneak peek of the highly anticipated StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm on 200 demo stations at the venue.
That's a a lot of demo stations O.O
They were stupid not to announce this sort of information way in advance, If they had got their shit together this could have been this years Blizzcon.
Ummm everyone already knew HotS was gonna be at Anaheim and has for a good bit.
Not at this kind of scale.
They did announce that there would be exactly this months ago.
Fair enough, I obviously missed it. I remember them announcing that there would be HotS beta at Anaheim... but not like 200 stations.
On June 01 2012 00:45 MLG_Adam wrote: No conspiracies here guys. Casters have other jobs/obligations outside of MLG events. I would have loved to have had Wolf in Anaheim as well but he has GSL duties. I love our line up and I hope you guys do too!
On June 01 2012 04:51 TyrionSC2 wrote: 11 streams o.0 Wow. This is awesome <3
Have you developed more eyes and brains? It's physically impossible to watch 11 streams at the same time and take any of it in.
Well they wont all have games up at the same time. More often than not we will probably have multiple streams wiht onthing on and a couple streams with games and we get to pick our favorite one(s) to watch.
Additionally, Blizzard Entertainment will offer a beta sneak peek of the highly anticipated StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm on 200 demo stations at the venue.
That's a a lot of demo stations O.O
They were stupid not to announce this sort of information way in advance, If they had got their shit together this could have been this years Blizzcon.
Ummm everyone already knew HotS was gonna be at Anaheim and has for a good bit.
Not at this kind of scale.
They did announce that there would be exactly this months ago.
Fair enough, I obviously missed it. I remember them announcing that there would be HotS beta at Anaheim... but not like 200 stations.
I'll take your word for it though.
They have been saying Anaheim will be huge, HotS being there being a big part of it. They have said since Blizzard isn't doing Blizzcon, they are almost like a mini Blizzcon. Even if they didn't say there will be "200 HotS stations" it was pretty much implied there would be a ton of them. And Anaheim is close to selling out so they are doing fine.
You should check his stream chat, there is so much circle-jerking it's crazy. I made a pretty benign comment about Day9 sounding pretty tired on his stream last night, and for him to step it up (nothing even close to negative) and suddenly like 30 people started calling me "troll" or "hater" and making fun of my username and shit like that... Think I'll just hide chat when i watch future dailies.
Ok, let's be honest here: No one will listen to some random dude in stream chat. No caster, no player, no one. So going there and being negative is not only not gonna do anything, but it's also pretty dumb. Even worse if you'd expect that persons fans to be like "hm.. yeah, totally dude". Let me remind you that you are on the internet (do I have to say more?).
If you've got a problem with day9 send him an email. That's what a feedback email address is for.
cant stand robin and rob simpson. rob just seems strange to me and not particulsrly entertaining or analytical either, and robin simply talks 3 times too fast and doesnt have the greast casting voice imo. would much rather see them replaced with kevinknocke and doa.
Additionally, Blizzard Entertainment will offer a beta sneak peek of the highly anticipated StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm on 200 demo stations at the venue.
That's a a lot of demo stations O.O
They were stupid not to announce this sort of information way in advance, If they had got their shit together this could have been this years Blizzcon.
Ummm everyone already knew HotS was gonna be at Anaheim and has for a good bit.
Not at this kind of scale.
Yes, exactly at this kind of scale.
They announced playable booths at Anaheim 3 months ago, and for something as big as the MLG Summer Championships, 200 booths isn't even a big number.
On June 01 2012 04:45 KawaiiRice wrote: While I'm indifferent to casters' lack of knowledge (because I'm too used to hearing bs), Rob Simpson tugs me the wrong way because 50% of the time when the camera is on casters he'll stare at it and his left eyebrow goes down making a o_O sort of look. y u do dis t-t
ROFL. This is exactly the reason I can't stand him. He just acts like a goof on stream. And his casting is terrible. No idea why he's always at MLG. I watched him cast with JP at one of the MLG's... that stream was shut off so fast..
On June 01 2012 04:47 NOOBALOPSE wrote: What the fuck is up with MLG man. Why don't they let him set up his own stream? fuck em. I'm not watching this if there's no Day[9]. I'm e-mailing them too! Fellow Day[9] fans, pleeeease email MLG. WE NEED TOO!
I refuse to believe people like this actually exist.
On June 01 2012 05:24 Toadvine wrote: Wow, the Day9 cult sure is powerful. It's kind of a pity actually, we now have multiple caster teams with better chemistry and game knowledge than Day9+lackey - Bitterdam, Khaldor+Wolf (is there a name for that?), even TB+Apollo, not to speak of Tastosis. And yet it's still all about Sean Plott. Makes one wonder if he really helps grow e-sports, or just his personal fanclub which will watch him play Skyrim and whatever else just as well as SC2.
So glad Day9 won't be there. He ruins any event with his overly fake enthusiasm, poor teamwork with co-casters, and completely bullshit improvised "analysis".
Day9 fans don't really like esports or starcraft at all anyways. They just want to watch The Day9 Show.
I'm actually a bit surprised how many admit they won't even watch the best players in the world compete for a high prize pool because all they care about is watching Day9's egocentric masturbatory rambling.
You should check his stream chat, there is so much circle-jerking it's crazy. I made a pretty benign comment about Day9 sounding pretty tired on his stream last night, and for him to step it up (nothing even close to negative) and suddenly like 30 people started calling me "troll" or "hater" and making fun of my username and shit like that... Think I'll just hide chat when i watch future dailies.
Ok, let's be honest here: No one will listen to some random dude in stream chat. No caster, no player, no one. So going there and being negative is not only not gonna do anything, but it's also pretty dumb. Even worse if you'd expect that persons fans to be like "hm.. yeah, totally dude". Let me remind you that you are on the internet (do I have to say more?).
If you've got a problem with day9 send him an email. That's what a feedback email address is for.
Day9 immediately deletes without reading any emails at the first sign of negativity or criticism.
No, I am not joking. He actually explained how he does this on stream.
He has become completely detached from reality and only wants to hear his juvenile sycophants stroke his ego.
On June 01 2012 05:44 Zaqwe wrote: So glad Day9 won't be there. He ruins any event with his overly fake enthusiasm, poor teamwork with co-casters, and completely bullshit improvised "analysis".
Day9 fans don't really like esports or starcraft at all anyways. They just want to watch The Day9 Show.
I'm actually a bit surprised how many admit they won't even watch the best players in the world compete for a high prize pool because all they care about is watching Day9's egocentric masturbatory rambling.
You should check his stream chat, there is so much circle-jerking it's crazy. I made a pretty benign comment about Day9 sounding pretty tired on his stream last night, and for him to step it up (nothing even close to negative) and suddenly like 30 people started calling me "troll" or "hater" and making fun of my username and shit like that... Think I'll just hide chat when i watch future dailies.
Ok, let's be honest here: No one will listen to some random dude in stream chat. No caster, no player, no one. So going there and being negative is not only not gonna do anything, but it's also pretty dumb. Even worse if you'd expect that persons fans to be like "hm.. yeah, totally dude". Let me remind you that you are on the internet (do I have to say more?).
If you've got a problem with day9 send him an email. That's what a feedback email address is for.
*facepalm*
This is exactly what I'm talking about. A complete overreaction. I have no problem with Day9, and if you saw my comment on his stream chat and had an ounce of commonsense you'd know that there wasn't even a hint of malace in it, it was more of a comment on him sounding more tired than usual. I think my exact comment was: "Day9 seems a bit little tired today, step it up "
Of course I don't expect a person's fans to jump in and agree with my statements about him seeming tired, but at the same time I don't expect them to loose their shit and get all defensive. The chat box was litterally flooded with people taking shit about me, telling me to "fuck off troll", "hater", "what kind of name is fucking Spooony?" etc... for a comment that probably wasn't even worth glancing at.
At the end of the day, "fans" are stupid. Why can't people just like things, just casually like things, without the need to be so invested in the thing they like that they can't control themselves.
On June 01 2012 05:44 Zaqwe wrote: So glad Day9 won't be there. He ruins any event with his overly fake enthusiasm, poor teamwork with co-casters, and completely bullshit improvised "analysis".
Day9 fans don't really like esports or starcraft at all anyways. They just want to watch The Day9 Show.
I'm actually a bit surprised how many admit they won't even watch the best players in the world compete for a high prize pool because all they care about is watching Day9's egocentric masturbatory rambling.
You seem upset. You also seem to make a few claims that you can't verify. I also have a sneaking suspicion you aren't a good enough authority on the subject to claim that his analysis is "bullshit".
You should check his stream chat, there is so much circle-jerking it's crazy. I made a pretty benign comment about Day9 sounding pretty tired on his stream last night, and for him to step it up (nothing even close to negative) and suddenly like 30 people started calling me "troll" or "hater" and making fun of my username and shit like that... Think I'll just hide chat when i watch future dailies.
Ok, let's be honest here: No one will listen to some random dude in stream chat. No caster, no player, no one. So going there and being negative is not only not gonna do anything, but it's also pretty dumb. Even worse if you'd expect that persons fans to be like "hm.. yeah, totally dude". Let me remind you that you are on the internet (do I have to say more?).
If you've got a problem with day9 send him an email. That's what a feedback email address is for.
Day9 immediately deletes without reading any emails at the first sign of negativity or criticism.
No, I am not joking. He actually explained how he does this on stream.
He has become completely detached from reality and only wants to hear his juvenile sycophants stroke his ego.
That isn't what he said at all, why are you lying?
You should check his stream chat, there is so much circle-jerking it's crazy. I made a pretty benign comment about Day9 sounding pretty tired on his stream last night, and for him to step it up (nothing even close to negative) and suddenly like 30 people started calling me "troll" or "hater" and making fun of my username and shit like that... Think I'll just hide chat when i watch future dailies.
Ok, let's be honest here: No one will listen to some random dude in stream chat. No caster, no player, no one. So going there and being negative is not only not gonna do anything, but it's also pretty dumb. Even worse if you'd expect that persons fans to be like "hm.. yeah, totally dude". Let me remind you that you are on the internet (do I have to say more?).
If you've got a problem with day9 send him an email. That's what a feedback email address is for.
Day9 immediately deletes without reading any emails at the first sign of negativity or criticism.
No, I am not joking. He actually explained how he does this on stream.
He has become completely detached from reality and only wants to hear his juvenile sycophants stroke his ego.
That isn't what he said at all, why are you lying?
Agreed. He said he deletes any email the first sign of unreasonable negativity. That is what most people should do, becuse the community has a ton of unreasonable people.
On June 01 2012 00:24 RusHXceL wrote: I heard Day9 had problems with MLG. why adam
My guess is that he did the Redbull LAN thing, when NOS sponsors MLG (if im not mistaken)
But DJWheat, Husky and Rob Simpson also did that.. Day9 also does DreamHack so it isnt a MLG only contract.. interesting.
You know, it could just be that he is tired and has other plans. I know people want to make it some sort of drama, but he could just have a date that weekend.
Why is Rob Simpson casting in so many tournaments? I can not bare to watch a game with his commentary. Other than being a Blizzard guy, what the hell did he do? Is Blizzard forcing that guy upon tournaments? Does anyone actually enjoy his casting? Please inform me TL!
This is lineup is friggen insane, can't wait! Kudos MLG!
To the ones complaining about DayJ and Rotti, grow the fck up you spoiled brats! I love Day and Rotti as anyone else, but the fact that MLG have gathered THE caster lineup in the history WoL overshadows their absent. I honestly don't think I've seen a greater lineup.
You should check his stream chat, there is so much circle-jerking it's crazy. I made a pretty benign comment about Day9 sounding pretty tired on his stream last night, and for him to step it up (nothing even close to negative) and suddenly like 30 people started calling me "troll" or "hater" and making fun of my username and shit like that... Think I'll just hide chat when i watch future dailies.
Ok, let's be honest here: No one will listen to some random dude in stream chat. No caster, no player, no one. So going there and being negative is not only not gonna do anything, but it's also pretty dumb. Even worse if you'd expect that persons fans to be like "hm.. yeah, totally dude". Let me remind you that you are on the internet (do I have to say more?).
If you've got a problem with day9 send him an email. That's what a feedback email address is for.
Day9 immediately deletes without reading any emails at the first sign of negativity or criticism.
No, I am not joking. He actually explained how he does this on stream.
He has become completely detached from reality and only wants to hear his juvenile sycophants stroke his ego.
That isn't what he said at all, why are you lying?
Agreed. He said he deletes any email the first sign of unreasonable negativity. That is what most people should do, becuse the community has a ton of unreasonable people.
His specific words were: I don't read any negativity, instead, I get my friend to do it, and tell me about it in a way that is reasonable, or something along those lines.
On June 01 2012 06:26 fairymonger wrote: If Apollo was casting this would be the sickest lineup ever.. Kinda upsetting that Day9 isnt casting but owells, the show must go on!
On June 01 2012 00:24 RusHXceL wrote: I heard Day9 had problems with MLG. why adam
My guess is that he did the Redbull LAN thing, when NOS sponsors MLG (if im not mistaken)
But DJWheat, Husky and Rob Simpson also did that.. Day9 also does DreamHack so it isnt a MLG only contract.. interesting.
You know, it could just be that he is tired and has other plans. I know people want to make it some sort of drama, but he could just have a date that weekend.
Ye that sounds right, he was talking about taking a break on twitter too.
On June 01 2012 06:26 fairymonger wrote: If Apollo was casting this would be the sickest lineup ever.. Kinda upsetting that Day9 isnt casting but owells, the show must go on!
I normally wouldn't mind that much if Day9 wasn't there if I was just watching streams, but this'll be the first big LAN I actually go to in person so I'm a little sad I won't get Day9's signature T.T haha, oh well, still gonna be a great event!
On June 01 2012 04:33 Kasu wrote: @ MLG_Adam: Apologies if this has been answered, I read most of the thread but didn't see it:
Will there be any guest-casting by players at all? Or post-match analysis? I find players like Grubby (<3) IdrA etc who I have seen cast a bit before to be fantastic with analysis, usually streets ahead of even the analytical casters. Really adds some meaningful insight.
Edit: Also super pumped that there will be free streams all weekend, though I might treat myself to a HD pass as its just after finals.
Just putting this in again in case it was missed, I have a nasty feeling it just got buried in the torrent of shit back there.
On June 01 2012 05:44 Zaqwe wrote: So glad Day9 won't be there. He ruins any event with his overly fake enthusiasm, poor teamwork with co-casters, and completely bullshit improvised "analysis".
Day9 fans don't really like esports or starcraft at all anyways. They just want to watch The Day9 Show.
I'm actually a bit surprised how many admit they won't even watch the best players in the world compete for a high prize pool because all they care about is watching Day9's egocentric masturbatory rambling.
Hmm saying day9 ruins events is the wrong thing to say, especially here. However, I think you're right about his fake enthusiasm and his horrible teamwork casting skills. Do people really believe he really finds silly immature things so funny that he basically falls off his chair or interupts other casters with laughter? If he really does find things that funny he's a little bit off lol. "and completely bullshit improvised "analysis"" His analytical casting is very good by himself, not sure what you watched to make you think his analysis is bullshit and improvised.
I just get a little sick of how people think he's a saint because of how he acts on camera, you people don't really know him and neither do I but there has been talk in the community that he can be an asshole - not confirmed of course, just throwing in something for people to think about before they make him their idol.
On June 01 2012 05:44 Zaqwe wrote: So glad Day9 won't be there. He ruins any event with his overly fake enthusiasm, poor teamwork with co-casters, and completely bullshit improvised "analysis".
Day9 fans don't really like esports or starcraft at all anyways. They just want to watch The Day9 Show.
I'm actually a bit surprised how many admit they won't even watch the best players in the world compete for a high prize pool because all they care about is watching Day9's egocentric masturbatory rambling.
Hmm saying day9 ruins events is the wrong thing to say, especially here. However, I think you're right about his fake enthusiasm and his horrible teamwork casting skills. Do people really believe he really finds silly immature things so funny that he basically falls off his chair or interupts other casters with laughter? If he really does find things that funny he's a little bit off lol. "and completely bullshit improvised "analysis"" His analytical casting is very good by himself, not sure what you watched to make you think his analysis is bullshit and improvised.
I just get a little sick of how people think he's a saint because of how he acts on camera, you people don't really know him and neither do I but there has been talk in the community that he can be an asshole - not confirmed of course, just throwing in something for people to think about before they make him their idol.
I really hate it when people keep harping on this "fake enthusiasm." Let's be real, people are just acting all cynical to try to justify themselves in their lack of sunny disposition. It's a classic psychological process, to think "oh, he looks to be a really really fantastic human being, he must obviously be hiding something dark and evil!" to console oneself on one's own lack of pure goodness.
Can we stop arguing/speculating about why X is not here?
We have THIRTEEN casters, plus Adebisi observing, Clutch hosting, & Hwanni/Smix translating. There is no drama or conspiracy. This is our line up. We have not had the same caster line up from one event to the next...ever. Day9 was not at Providence nor at any arena event this year. Husky has not been at an event in a long time. Change, variety, and schedule juggling is just the nature of this business. There is no reason to have an uproar over this. I understand if you like *insert caster here* and would like to see him/her cast, but please stop with the drama.
On June 01 2012 01:03 snailz wrote: MLGAdam, did you pay in gold to get GSL casters to cast KESPA games? maybe in oil? water? virgins?
All of the casters are dying to do the KESPA matches. 8:30PM-Midnight PST we'll have 6 streams of Kespa matches going (2 are PoV) and 4 streams of the crucial part of the LoL bracket. That will be a huge night for ESPORTS.
i hope the team realizes that Artosis & Tasteless (with them being in Korea before dawn of man) is a pair that has to >open< KESPA matches, i think nobody can hype it up as much as them, just remember BoxeR vs NaDa and similiar matches that had significant BW personalities, those guys just took it to another level...
no disrespect to DjWheat&co, but our casters from Korea are actual fanboys of these BW legends, which translates into something like
Yeah, this is a good idea. Especially if the games are like those shown in the hybrid proleague so far (not the players fault they were rushed abit / have to play 2 game) Tastosis going all fanboy / telling newer starcraft fans the history of some of these players... could keep things interesting.
On June 01 2012 06:52 MLG_Adam wrote: Can we stop arguing/speculating about why X is not here?
We have THIRTEEN casters, plus Adebisi observing, Clutch hosting, & Hwanni/Smix translating. There is no drama or conspiracy. This is our line up. We have not had the same caster line up from one event to the next...ever. Day9 was not at Providence nor at any arena event this year. Husky has not been at an event in a long time. Change, variety, and schedule juggling is just the nature of this business. There is no reason to have an uproar over this. I understand if you like *insert caster here* and would like to see him/her cast, but please stop with the drama.
Gah, wanted this to be at the start of a new page so you guys see it.
On June 01 2012 03:38 ZenithM wrote: Lol after seeing them play in proleague, I'm not that excited anymore about them BW players. Am I the only one in that case?
No, I feel the same. I probably won't even watch the kespa tournament.
haha woops didn't realize people were actually complaining. This is an incredibly strong casting line up for sure, easily one of the best fielded i'd say, I do wish rotti was there with mr bitter though
Totalbiscuit is my favorite. This will be a great event. I will try to watch the KESPa games but after watching SC2 in proleague i would say they need more time.
On June 01 2012 01:03 snailz wrote: MLGAdam, did you pay in gold to get GSL casters to cast KESPA games? maybe in oil? water? virgins?
All of the casters are dying to do the KESPA matches. 8:30PM-Midnight PST we'll have 6 streams of Kespa matches going (2 are PoV) and 4 streams of the crucial part of the LoL bracket. That will be a huge night for ESPORTS.
i hope the team realizes that Artosis & Tasteless (with them being in Korea before dawn of man) is a pair that has to >open< KESPA matches, i think nobody can hype it up as much as them, just remember BoxeR vs NaDa and similiar matches that had significant BW personalities, those guys just took it to another level...
no disrespect to DjWheat&co, but our casters from Korea are actual fanboys of these BW legends, which translates into something like
Yeah, this is a good idea. Especially if the games are like those shown in the hybrid proleague so far (not the players fault they were rushed abit / have to play 2 game) Tastosis going all fanboy / telling newer starcraft fans the history of some of these players... could keep things interesting.
Ive watched this video 4 times now, its sooo funny. I hope Tastosis does the Brood War matches too.
Sadly, no day9. Making money is no crime btw. He did nearly free 500 daylies for the community, and now you want to start with "he deserves it, he is so greedy!"?! REALLY?
On June 01 2012 03:41 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: Respect for Rotti, I'm glad there is at least one caster who has the will and the balls to compete in such a big tournament.
Gretorp should be competing too, they've been joking in chat about getting ROOTerdam vs ItsGosu.Gretorp on the main stage.
On June 01 2012 03:38 ZenithM wrote: Lol after seeing them play in proleague, I'm not that excited anymore about them BW players. Am I the only one in that case?
No, I feel the same. I probably won't even watch the kespa tournament.
That's ok. You'll come back in a few months when they eat all children.
On June 01 2012 07:17 WackaAlpaca wrote: Worthwhile casters
- DJ Wheat - Husky - Tasteless - Artosis - Total Biscuit
Absolute garbage:
- Apollo - Rob Simpson - Mr. Bitter - Robin - Gwin - Jorosar - Axeltoss - Kibbelz
5:8 ratio isnt too bad i guess for a foreign tournament. but wtf no Day9?
w. t. f.
What the fuck is wrong with you? Total Biscuit is a worthwhile caster, while Apollo is utter garbage? God that is the most stupid thing I have ever heard.
Happy to hear that Tastosis will show up again, but I'm disappointed that Apollo and Rotterdam wont be there. Day9 not showing up doesn't really surprise me since he has that redbull gig going for him. In fact I don't think we will be seeing him casting at anymore MLGs for the foreseeable future.
On June 01 2012 03:38 ZenithM wrote: Lol after seeing them play in proleague, I'm not that excited anymore about them BW players. Am I the only one in that case?
No, I feel the same. I probably won't even watch the kespa tournament.
That's ok. You'll come back in a few months when they eat all children.
Ya even if you aren't interested in their SC2 matches just seeing those guys at an MLG event should be enough for anyone to tune in. We can't forget that these guys have done a ton for the Starcraft series and are pretty much living legends in the E-sports world
Personally I still watch all the pro league matches. Ya they aren't as good as GSL matches but how could anyone realistically think that after just a few months of practice they would be. Even so if you watch a couple of players (effort, zero, motive) you can see that they are catching on quickly.
I will definitely be watching via stream and if the roof of that place isn't blown off when the BW players are introduced I will fly to Anaheim and start rioting and looting.
Also who gives a crap if a caster is missing, the list of casters shown is crazy good. One caster whether you like him or not will not change anything (other than the casting Archon of course).
On June 01 2012 07:29 Amlitzer wrote: Happy to hear that Tastosis will show up again, but I'm disappointed that Apollo and Rotterdam wont be there. Day9 not showing up doesn't really surprise me since he has that redbull gig going for him. In fact I don't think we will be seeing him casting at anymore MLGs for the foreseeable future.
actually Apollo and Rotterdam will be there. Apollo is casting, says so right in the OP. Rotterdam is playing in the open bracket.
Someone from MLG should really just edit the OP to include "Day9 is booked because he's casting CSL, that's the only reason he's not going to be at MLG, so please stop freaking the fuck out and coming up with weird conspiracy theories about how he's never gonna be at MLG again." Or, even better, put a mod note at the top since most people are mouthbreathers and will only look at the list and then jump straight to posting.
God, the same shit happened with Tastosis not being at Spring Arena 2, half the caster thread was "OMG NO TASTOSIS? MUST BE BECAUSE OF THE KESPA/MLG DEAL" when in reality they were casting GSL finals.
edit: realized the OP is not an MLG employee, if you see this post you should edit your OP
On June 01 2012 00:24 RusHXceL wrote: I heard Day9 had problems with MLG. why adam
Because they don't let him set up his own stream...
lol really? Regardless, this tournament just became a lot more watchable to me =) No more pseudo-player analysis -- just analysis from players who play, and casters who admit they don't play. Even Husky, a caster I used to really think was bottom-tier (because I personally prefer more informed casters and he was very... YouTube) has improved so much and I honestly am somewhat looking forward to his casting.
REALLY hope Grubby casts -- that guy is a king.
On June 01 2012 00:29 SimDawg wrote: Completely my speculation, but IMO Day is moving away from appearances and trying to do his own thing.
I think he's getting a bigger cut of the Red Bull stuff than just the appearance fees he'd get here.
Wasn't he getting like 50k~ ish per appearance? I wish I was in a position to let my pride be worth more than 50 large. =(
Also ROTTERDAM is so fucking hilarious, I demand some in-depth PvP sentry analysis or I will consider this tournament a flop~~
On June 01 2012 00:24 RusHXceL wrote: I heard Day9 had problems with MLG. why adam
Because they don't let him set up his own stream...
lol really? Regardless, this tournament just became a lot more watchable to me =) No more pseudo-player analysis -- just analysis from players who play, and casters who admit they don't play. Even Husky, a caster I used to really think was bottom-tier (because I personally prefer more informed casters and he was very... YouTube) has improved so much and I honestly am somewhat looking forward to his casting.
On June 01 2012 06:52 MLG_Adam wrote: Can we stop arguing/speculating about why X is not here?
We have THIRTEEN casters, plus Adebisi observing, Clutch hosting, & Hwanni/Smix translating. There is no drama or conspiracy. This is our line up. We have not had the same caster line up from one event to the next...ever. Day9 was not at Providence nor at any arena event this year. Husky has not been at an event in a long time. Change, variety, and schedule juggling is just the nature of this business. There is no reason to have an uproar over this. I understand if you like *insert caster here* and would like to see him/her cast, but please stop with the drama.
Adam, please understand that the majority of fans don't care for any of the drama. It's only a tiny few forum posters that like to stir it up. Most of us are just overjoyed that there are so many great Starcraft games being casted.
I'll be enjoying MLG Anaheim from home, and on Championship Sunday, from Barcraft Vancouver (make sure someone shouts out to us!) It will be awesome!
On June 01 2012 07:35 corpuscle wrote: Someone from MLG should really just edit the OP to include "Day9 is booked because he's casting CSL, that's the only reason he's not going to be at MLG, so please stop freaking the fuck out and coming up with weird conspiracy theories about how he's never gonna be at MLG again." Or, even better, put a mod note at the top since most people are mouthbreathers and will only look at the list and then jump straight to posting.
God, the same shit happened with Tastosis not being at Spring Arena 2, half the caster thread was "OMG NO TASTOSIS? MUST BE BECAUSE OF THE KESPA/MLG DEAL" when in reality they were casting GSL finals.
edit: realized the OP is not an MLG employee, if you see this post you should edit your OP
It's just that CSL is this weekend, and MLG is next week.. ^^
Really happy with that caster list. Not too fussed about Day9 not being there. Artosis+Apollo+MrBitter+DJWheat is enough for me. In fact, Rob Simpson and Tasteless can stay at home if they want
On June 01 2012 07:35 corpuscle wrote: Someone from MLG should really just edit the OP to include "Day9 is booked because he's casting CSL, that's the only reason he's not going to be at MLG, so please stop freaking the fuck out and coming up with weird conspiracy theories about how he's never gonna be at MLG again." Or, even better, put a mod note at the top since most people are mouthbreathers and will only look at the list and then jump straight to posting.
God, the same shit happened with Tastosis not being at Spring Arena 2, half the caster thread was "OMG NO TASTOSIS? MUST BE BECAUSE OF THE KESPA/MLG DEAL" when in reality they were casting GSL finals.
edit: realized the OP is not an MLG employee, if you see this post you should edit your OP
It's just that CSL is this weekend, and MLG is next week.. ^^
Oops, now I feel dumb.
I guess Day9 can't come because MLG is sponsored by NOS and he can't stream the tournament on day9tv with Red Bull ads so he won't go because he isn't making $20,000 for one weekend
Wow, this thread went strange places. To be expected I suppose in a caster announcement, but I'm more excited for the games that are coming than the lack of one caster or another, I'm not a very caster-focused fan. Good luck with the event MLG, stay positive!
On June 01 2012 06:52 MLG_Adam wrote: Can we stop arguing/speculating about why X is not here?
We have THIRTEEN casters, plus Adebisi observing, Clutch hosting, & Hwanni/Smix translating. There is no drama or conspiracy. This is our line up. We have not had the same caster line up from one event to the next...ever. Day9 was not at Providence nor at any arena event this year. Husky has not been at an event in a long time. Change, variety, and schedule juggling is just the nature of this business. There is no reason to have an uproar over this. I understand if you like *insert caster here* and would like to see him/her cast, but please stop with the drama.
But the drama makes it funnier. Won't somebody please think about the children???
I hope that Husky get a lot of the great games. Love his casting. I could see a Husky/Apollo combo be great. That would might even make me wanna buy a HD pass.
On June 01 2012 00:24 RusHXceL wrote: I heard Day9 had problems with MLG. why adam
Because they don't let him set up his own stream...
lol really? Regardless, this tournament just became a lot more watchable to me =) No more pseudo-player analysis -- just analysis from players who play, and casters who admit they don't play. Even Husky, a caster I used to really think was bottom-tier (because I personally prefer more informed casters and he was very... YouTube) has improved so much and I honestly am somewhat looking forward to his casting.
On June 01 2012 00:29 SimDawg wrote: Completely my speculation, but IMO Day is moving away from appearances and trying to do his own thing.
I think he's getting a bigger cut of the Red Bull stuff than just the appearance fees he'd get here.
Wasn't he getting like 50k~ ish per appearance? I wish I was in a position to let my pride be worth more than 50 large. =(
Also ROTTERDAM is so fucking hilarious, I demand some in-depth PvP sentry analysis or I will consider this tournament a flop~~
Pseudo-player analysis? Are you inferring Day9 doesn't play -- or that he's less informed because he doesn't play professionally? What a ridiculous notion.
Glad to see Axeltoss getting a big casting gig. He's done a few major events, but not an MLG caliber one. He's not the best but he is definitely a good addition and I'm happy to see him get a big break.
On June 01 2012 00:24 RusHXceL wrote: I heard Day9 had problems with MLG. why adam
Because they don't let him set up his own stream...
lol really? Regardless, this tournament just became a lot more watchable to me =) No more pseudo-player analysis -- just analysis from players who play, and casters who admit they don't play. Even Husky, a caster I used to really think was bottom-tier (because I personally prefer more informed casters and he was very... YouTube) has improved so much and I honestly am somewhat looking forward to his casting.
REALLY hope Grubby casts -- that guy is a king.
On June 01 2012 00:29 SimDawg wrote: Completely my speculation, but IMO Day is moving away from appearances and trying to do his own thing.
I think he's getting a bigger cut of the Red Bull stuff than just the appearance fees he'd get here.
Wasn't he getting like 50k~ ish per appearance? I wish I was in a position to let my pride be worth more than 50 large. =(
Also ROTTERDAM is so fucking hilarious, I demand some in-depth PvP sentry analysis or I will consider this tournament a flop~~
Pseudo-player analysis? Are you inferring Day9 doesn't play -- or that he's less informed because he doesn't play professionally? What a ridiculous notion.
I think what hes saying, though i don't completely this, is that day9 seems to almost project how he wants players to be on the players. It ends up that day9 can uniquely cast anything and say things no other casters say about a game, but still, i see where he's coming from, i used to notice it and when i switched to really only loyally watching gsl i was kinda pleased to be told like it is. I still like day9, havent seen him cast in a while though, esp with husky
On June 01 2012 00:17 GoSuChicken wrote: I dont understand, why Day9 does not go to MLG anymore... Did they fight over something? Or what? Edit: he was at winter championship, forgot about that
Very sick lineup of casters, really like it No offense at Day9 or people that adore him but he's not needed for this event. When you get Sean he runs the show, he did a good job at the Red Bull BG but with a stacked event like this I won't actually miss him.
Great to see MLG picking up the Playhem casters as they have done a great job with their seed in WCS.
One question, do Rob Simpson come in a package or is he actually casted?
wait day9 said on his stream last night that he was going to be at MLG Anahiem, perhaps he is doing something with the blizzard or Kespa side of things?
On June 01 2012 00:24 RusHXceL wrote: I heard Day9 had problems with MLG. why adam
Because they don't let him set up his own stream...
lol really? Regardless, this tournament just became a lot more watchable to me =) No more pseudo-player analysis -- just analysis from players who play, and casters who admit they don't play. Even Husky, a caster I used to really think was bottom-tier (because I personally prefer more informed casters and he was very... YouTube) has improved so much and I honestly am somewhat looking forward to his casting.
On June 01 2012 00:29 SimDawg wrote: Completely my speculation, but IMO Day is moving away from appearances and trying to do his own thing.
I think he's getting a bigger cut of the Red Bull stuff than just the appearance fees he'd get here.
Wasn't he getting like 50k~ ish per appearance? I wish I was in a position to let my pride be worth more than 50 large. =(
If ever there was a time for someone to be temp banned for making judgments based on wild rumors and speculation, it was here. LMAO I can't imagine what would go through Day9's mind if he read someone saying this. This kind of stupidity is exactly why pros and personalities don't post on the forums anymore.
On June 01 2012 06:21 corpuscle wrote: Day9 is casting CSL finals, there's no dramatic reason why he isn't there.
someone ban this man for spreading vicious truths! there is no place in this community for people like you with your facts and evidence. go back to real life and stay there
On June 01 2012 06:21 corpuscle wrote: Day9 is casting CSL finals, there's no dramatic reason why he isn't there.
someone ban this man for spreading vicious truths! there is no place in this community for people like you with your facts and evidence. go back to real life and stay there
A truth so vicious it does not let the fact that CSL is not the same weekend as MLG get in the way of it being fact. Very impressive!
On June 01 2012 06:21 corpuscle wrote: Day9 is casting CSL finals, there's no dramatic reason why he isn't there.
someone ban this man for spreading vicious truths! there is no place in this community for people like you with your facts and evidence. go back to real life and stay there
A truth so vicious it does not let the fact that CSL is not the same weekend as MLG get in the way of it being fact. Very impressive!
lol being on a different weekend makes no difference, the mere suggestion that Day9 might have an undramatic reason to not be at MLG is simply not acceptable. Ofc Day9 is not at MLG because they won't pay him 100k per hour and let him run all 11 streams so that he can afford to live in his 32 bedroom mansion in Long Beach and fuel the private jet he uses to fly around the world stealing Christmas!
Hopefully they don't mix up the pairings too badly. Outside of Tasteosis, DJWheat, Mr Bitter, and you could probably even include Apollo, those other casters generally make me dislike what I'm watching, and I hate having to mute commentary.
On June 01 2012 06:21 corpuscle wrote: Day9 is casting CSL finals, there's no dramatic reason why he isn't there.
someone ban this man for spreading vicious truths! there is no place in this community for people like you with your facts and evidence. go back to real life and stay there
A truth so vicious it does not let the fact that CSL is not the same weekend as MLG get in the way of it being fact. Very impressive!
lol being on a different weekend makes no difference, the mere suggestion that Day9 might have an undramatic reason to not be at MLG is simply not acceptable. Ofc Day9 is not at MLG because they won't pay him 100k per hour and let him run all 11 streams so that he can afford to live in his 32 bedroom mansion in Long Beach and fuel the private jet he uses to fly around the world stealing Christmas!
being that anaheim is in his backyard, he probably demanded that they increase his salary in order to compensate for MLG not having to worry about lodging and travel .
On June 01 2012 06:21 corpuscle wrote: Day9 is casting CSL finals, there's no dramatic reason why he isn't there.
someone ban this man for spreading vicious truths! there is no place in this community for people like you with your facts and evidence. go back to real life and stay there
A truth so vicious it does not let the fact that CSL is not the same weekend as MLG get in the way of it being fact. Very impressive!
lol being on a different weekend makes no difference, the mere suggestion that Day9 might have an undramatic reason to not be at MLG is simply not acceptable. Ofc Day9 is not at MLG because they won't pay him 100k per hour and let him run all 11 streams so that he can afford to live in his 32 bedroom mansion in Long Beach and fuel the private jet he uses to fly around the world stealing Christmas!
I agree Day9 might have an undramatic reason to not be at MLG. I just don't think you can say that it is the CSL finals with such certainty it becomes a vicious truth because being on a different weekend does make a difference by making it technically possible for him to do both if he wanted.
If anything it would be the e3 shootmania show he is doing that is closer to MLG so maybe he'll need a break right after that.
Dramatic reasons less dramatic than 100k per hour wage disputes to steal christmas are also not impossible I think, but nobody can say for sure if it is dramatic or not so who knows.
On June 01 2012 09:10 Korben wrote: wait day9 said on his stream last night that he was going to be at MLG Anahiem, perhaps he is doing something with the blizzard or Kespa side of things?
who knows. but he said he was going.
OMG, I've figured it out!
He's competeing in the open bracket as all 3 races with 3 different accounts! Top 3 finish will all be day9! Finals will be Day9 playing on 2 computers at the same time with 600apm on each! MORE EXCLAMAITON MARKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You know where the real drama is? The real drama is that MLG wouldn't let him cast AND compete at the same event! He should be playing from the casters desk while casting his own game and the game on the B stream!
Damned good line up. Seriously who needs day9, especially when so many other casters have now stepped it up. Used to be a fan, still have a mousepad signed by him, but really as of late never see him do anything that doesn't benefit himself massively, which isn't a bad thing, just no longer someone to put up on a pedestal like I used to think of him.
isnt mlg sponsored by nos? day9 does redbull? i mean there could be some conflict there but day 9 has casted redbull lans and then mlgs so i dont think thats the reason
anyways im glad there is no JP a little bit sad that there is some rob simpson
apollo and tastosis make up for it though
hopefully rotterdam can cast after he loses (if he loses)
Going to be awesome to see Rotti in the open bracket. Stoked about Apoolo, really rate him. Good mix of other casters - something for (nearly) everyone it seems.
Can't stand this ongoing whinging about Day9 and all the theories about why he in't attending. We have something called "Tall Poppy syndrome" here in NZ - basically if you are doing well you get cut down. Nice to see we've successfully exported it overseas! : (
On June 01 2012 09:10 Korben wrote: wait day9 said on his stream last night that he was going to be at MLG Anahiem, perhaps he is doing something with the blizzard or Kespa side of things?
who knows. but he said he was going.
OMG, I've figured it out!
He's competeing in the open bracket as all 3 races with 3 different accounts! Top 3 finish will all be day9! Finals will be Day9 playing on 2 computers at the same time with 600apm on each! MORE EXCLAMAITON MARKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You know where the real drama is? The real drama is that MLG wouldn't let him cast AND compete at the same event! He should be playing from the casters desk while casting his own game and the game on the B stream!
Hahahahaha. This is pretty good. Day9: the true bonjwa of SC2.
why is everyone hating on Day9?? He's one of, if not, the best SC2 ambassadors that we have. We should embrace it.
People hating him because he's making a living?? sounds like jealousy. People are jealous in general. He deserves it, look at what he has done for the community.
On June 01 2012 10:33 LeeDawg wrote: no Day9, and there is husky.
probably not gonna watch much
Your loss
So much HYPE for Anaheim...what I'm looking forward to the most is how big the crowd will be and how loud they will be. Supposedly the venue is twice as large as last year and there will be room for many more people. And last year's Anaheim was the biggest crowd and loudest of any besides Blizzcon 2011 I believe. Let's not forget this...
On June 01 2012 06:52 MLG_Adam wrote: Can we stop arguing/speculating about why X is not here?
We have THIRTEEN casters, plus Adebisi observing, Clutch hosting, & Hwanni/Smix translating. There is no drama or conspiracy. This is our line up. We have not had the same caster line up from one event to the next...ever. Day9 was not at Providence nor at any arena event this year. Husky has not been at an event in a long time. Change, variety, and schedule juggling is just the nature of this business. There is no reason to have an uproar over this. I understand if you like *insert caster here* and would like to see him/her cast, but please stop with the drama.
To add to the conspiracy, Adam tweeted this tonight. Don't see anything that would trigger this today beside people complaining about no day9 for anaheim. With the day9 haters calling him fake the past couple of weeks, I think we can jump to the conclusion that adam is talking about day9 in this tweet and also thinks he's fake. Yup, yup.
"Funny to look at the community perception of people in this space and know how they really are. Glad I only have to remember to be myself"
the real drama is MLG trying to create a player monopoly with KeSPA in the foreign scene and publicly dissing IPL and GSL instead of trying to grow eSports together. I will boycott MLG as long as this persists.
On June 01 2012 12:47 markrevival wrote: the real drama is MLG trying to create a player monopoly with KeSPA in the foreign scene and publicly dissing IPL and GSL instead of trying to grow eSports together. I will boycott MLG as long as this persists.
On June 01 2012 06:52 MLG_Adam wrote: Can we stop arguing/speculating about why X is not here?
We have THIRTEEN casters, plus Adebisi observing, Clutch hosting, & Hwanni/Smix translating. There is no drama or conspiracy. This is our line up. We have not had the same caster line up from one event to the next...ever. Day9 was not at Providence nor at any arena event this year. Husky has not been at an event in a long time. Change, variety, and schedule juggling is just the nature of this business. There is no reason to have an uproar over this. I understand if you like *insert caster here* and would like to see him/her cast, but please stop with the drama.
Adam, you are correct for the most part.
But don't just ignore the issue: address it.
You've posted here like 10x and it took you like post #11 to not pretend people weren't talking about this. And when you did finally mention it, you still didn't address the root question.
Obviously people are going to be confused, and not addressing the issue isn't doing anything to clarify whatever it is that's going on. If it was a simple scheduling conflict, we would expect you to say so. The fact that you aren't saying so suggests (accurate or not) that there is something more.
If there are still rumours being fueled on page +25, it is your fault for not being able to quench it adequately in under 12 posts.
On June 01 2012 06:52 MLG_Adam wrote: Can we stop arguing/speculating about why X is not here?
We have THIRTEEN casters, plus Adebisi observing, Clutch hosting, & Hwanni/Smix translating. There is no drama or conspiracy. This is our line up. We have not had the same caster line up from one event to the next...ever. Day9 was not at Providence nor at any arena event this year. Husky has not been at an event in a long time. Change, variety, and schedule juggling is just the nature of this business. There is no reason to have an uproar over this. I understand if you like *insert caster here* and would like to see him/her cast, but please stop with the drama.
Adam, you are correct for the most part.
But don't just ignore the issue: address it.
You've posted here like 10x and it took you like post #11 to not pretend people weren't talking about this. And when you did finally mention it, you still didn't address the root question.
Obviously people are going to be confused, and not addressing the issue isn't doing anything to clarify whatever it is that's going on. If it was a simple scheduling conflict, we would expect you to say so. The fact that you aren't saying so suggests (accurate or not) that there is something more.
If there are still rumours being fueled on page +25, it is your fault for not being able to quench it adequately in under 12 posts.
<3
He did address it, back on page 3. Which was his 3rd post in this thread.
On June 01 2012 00:45 MLG_Adam wrote: No conspiracies here guys. Casters have other jobs/obligations outside of MLG events. I would have loved to have had Wolf in Anaheim as well but he has GSL duties. I love our line up and I hope you guys do too!
On June 01 2012 06:52 MLG_Adam wrote: Can we stop arguing/speculating about why X is not here?
We have THIRTEEN casters, plus Adebisi observing, Clutch hosting, & Hwanni/Smix translating. There is no drama or conspiracy. This is our line up. We have not had the same caster line up from one event to the next...ever. Day9 was not at Providence nor at any arena event this year. Husky has not been at an event in a long time. Change, variety, and schedule juggling is just the nature of this business. There is no reason to have an uproar over this. I understand if you like *insert caster here* and would like to see him/her cast, but please stop with the drama.
To add to the conspiracy, Adam tweeted this tonight. Don't see anything that would trigger this today beside people complaining about no day9 for anaheim. With the day9 haters calling him fake the past couple of weeks, I think we can jump to the conclusion that adam is talking about day9 in this tweet and also thinks he's fake. Yup, yup.
"Funny to look at the community perception of people in this space and know how they really are. Glad I only have to remember to be myself"
I honestly am confused at that tweet, but maybe he's saying the community perception of day9 is that he's genuine? That probably is still the predominant perception, despite a recent vocal minority of naysayers. Or is Adam being negative??
I'm sorry but that's hardly "addressing" it in my books.
That's the kind of generic vanilla PG13 statement one would say regardless of whether or not drama is occurring.
Explicitly indicating, "Day9 will be hosting a different event that same weekend" or "Day9 said he needs a vacation" would be infinitely more effective.
On June 01 2012 13:21 Covariance wrote: @ jmbthirteen
I'm sorry but that's hardly "addressing" it in my books.
That's the kind of generic vanilla PG13 statement one would say regardless of whether or not drama is occurring.
Explicitly indicating, "Day9 will be hosting a different event that same weekend" or "Day9 said he needs a vacation" would be infinitely more effective.
Um, no. Adam clearly implied Day9 had an obligation. We don't need to know what that obligation is lol.
On June 01 2012 06:52 MLG_Adam wrote: Can we stop arguing/speculating about why X is not here?
We have THIRTEEN casters, plus Adebisi observing, Clutch hosting, & Hwanni/Smix translating. There is no drama or conspiracy. This is our line up. We have not had the same caster line up from one event to the next...ever. Day9 was not at Providence nor at any arena event this year. Husky has not been at an event in a long time. Change, variety, and schedule juggling is just the nature of this business. There is no reason to have an uproar over this. I understand if you like *insert caster here* and would like to see him/her cast, but please stop with the drama.
To add to the conspiracy, Adam tweeted this tonight. Don't see anything that would trigger this today beside people complaining about no day9 for anaheim. With the day9 haters calling him fake the past couple of weeks, I think we can jump to the conclusion that adam is talking about day9 in this tweet and also thinks he's fake. Yup, yup.
"Funny to look at the community perception of people in this space and know how they really are. Glad I only have to remember to be myself"
I honestly am confused at that tweet, but maybe he's saying the community perception of day9 is that he's genuine? That probably is still the predominant perception, despite a recent vocal minority of naysayers. Or is Adam being negative??
He's saying that the community perception of some people are wrong and they act differently behind closed doors. Usually this means that the community thinks someone is nice, but they're not so nice off screen. Basically that the person is two-faced. He doesn't name who he is referring to though, so leaves it cryptic.
On June 01 2012 13:21 Covariance wrote: @ jmbthirteen
I'm sorry but that's hardly "addressing" it in my books.
That's the kind of generic vanilla PG13 statement one would say regardless of whether or not drama is occurring.
Explicitly indicating, "Day9 will be hosting a different event that same weekend" or "Day9 said he needs a vacation" would be infinitely more effective.
its hardly addressing it because you are looking for a conspiracy. he says Day9 has another obligation, it may be a personal one. its not Adam's place to say what the obligation is.
Really? I feel that adding specificity adds credibility, whether or not it should.
Hypothetical: If, for the sake of argument, Day9 really was pissed at MLG, Adam could safely make the statement "Casters sometimes have conflicting obligations" because such a general statement can't be held accountable. I.e., he can't retroactively be accused of lying in the future compared to, if, say, he said something fabricated, i.e., "Day9 is taking a vacation"
TL;DR - being specific means being accountable, and therefore more credible. Vague umbrella statements like, "Oh, casters are sometimes busy" are nearly worthless and is not 'addressing the issue' by a long shot.
On June 01 2012 13:30 Covariance wrote: @Doodsmack
Really? I feel that adding specificity adds credibility, whether or not it should.
Hypothetical: If Day9 was pissed at MLG, Adam could legit make the statement "Casters sometimes have conflicting obligations" because such a general statement can't be held accountable. I.e., he can't retroactively be accused of lying in the future compared to, if, say, he said something fabricated, i.e., "Day9 is taking a vacation"
TL;DR - being specific means being accountable, and therefore more credible. Vague umbrella statements like, "Oh, casters are sometimes busy" is nearly worthless and is not 'addressing the issue' by a long shot.
Well how else would you want him to put it? MLG and Day[9] aren't going to get into a row in public over business matters, and if it's something personal going on, I don't think they'll bother giving out a specific reason. Neither MLG nor Day[9] really have any right to say to the public what the real "reason" is if the other side doesn't want them to. I just think you're trying to dig up more drama or start another conspiracy theory.
On June 01 2012 13:30 Covariance wrote: @Doodsmack
Really? I feel that adding specificity adds credibility, whether or not it should.
Hypothetical: If Day9 was pissed at MLG, Adam could legit make the statement "Casters sometimes have conflicting obligations" because such a general statement can't be held accountable. I.e., he can't retroactively be accused of lying in the future compared to, if, say, he said something fabricated, i.e., "Day9 is taking a vacation"
TL;DR - being specific means being accountable, and therefore more credible. Vague umbrella statements like, "Oh, casters are sometimes busy" is nearly worthless and is not 'addressing the issue' by a long shot.
Well how else would you want him to put it? MLG and Day[9] aren't going to get into a row in public over business matters, and if it's something personal going on, I don't think they'll bother giving out a specific reason.
Re: What I would do were I in Adam's position:
There are 2 possibilities:
1. There is no Drama; - Be specific, and therefore accountable, and therefore credible. infinitely more effective than making vague statements that may or may not apply to this situation in particular.
2. There is Drama - Be safe and don't go into details, BUT if you do this, then... - Don't be surprised/bitch that people are curious if you're not going to address it.
My personal hypothesis is that There is no Drama, but Adam is just doing a piss poor job of handling PR on behalf of MLG and by proxy Day9.
On June 01 2012 13:30 Covariance wrote: @Doodsmack
Really? I feel that adding specificity adds credibility, whether or not it should.
Hypothetical: If Day9 was pissed at MLG, Adam could legit make the statement "Casters sometimes have conflicting obligations" because such a general statement can't be held accountable. I.e., he can't retroactively be accused of lying in the future compared to, if, say, he said something fabricated, i.e., "Day9 is taking a vacation"
TL;DR - being specific means being accountable, and therefore more credible. Vague umbrella statements like, "Oh, casters are sometimes busy" is nearly worthless and is not 'addressing the issue' by a long shot.
Well how else would you want him to put it? MLG and Day[9] aren't going to get into a row in public over business matters, and if it's something personal going on, I don't think they'll bother giving out a specific reason.
Re: What I would do were I in Adam's position:
There are 2 possibilities:
1. There is no Drama; - Be specific, and therefore accountable, and therefore credible. infinitely more effective than making vague statements that may or may not apply to this situation in particular.
2. There is Drama - Be safe and don't go into details, BUT if you do this, then... - Don't be surprised/bitch that people are curious if you're not going to address it.
you just want to know everything when you aren't entitled to know everything.
That's a fair hypothesis, although it would be more compelling to address and critique my points as opposed to merely accusing me of being an entitled biatch (although that's fair too).
I would like to clarify, however, that I am ok with him not divulging "everything" (although, "anything" might be more apt). I am okay if he doesn't divulge everything, or anything, as long as he doesn't ride atop a high horse later on and wonder why the community is so outspoken and curious thereafter.
On June 01 2012 13:30 Covariance wrote: @Doodsmack
Really? I feel that adding specificity adds credibility, whether or not it should.
Hypothetical: If Day9 was pissed at MLG, Adam could legit make the statement "Casters sometimes have conflicting obligations" because such a general statement can't be held accountable. I.e., he can't retroactively be accused of lying in the future compared to, if, say, he said something fabricated, i.e., "Day9 is taking a vacation"
TL;DR - being specific means being accountable, and therefore more credible. Vague umbrella statements like, "Oh, casters are sometimes busy" is nearly worthless and is not 'addressing the issue' by a long shot.
Well how else would you want him to put it? MLG and Day[9] aren't going to get into a row in public over business matters, and if it's something personal going on, I don't think they'll bother giving out a specific reason.
Re: What I would do were I in Adam's position:
There are 2 possibilities:
1. There is no Drama; - Be specific, and therefore accountable, and therefore credible. infinitely more effective than making vague statements that may or may not apply to this situation in particular.
2. There is Drama - Be safe and don't go into details, BUT if you do this, then... - Don't be surprised/bitch that people are curious if you're not going to address it.
you just want to know everything when you aren't entitled to know everything.
This^
Where is Day9 that weekend? None of your fucking business. If Day9 wants people to know he'll tell them, if MLG_Adam even knows it's not for him to say.
On June 01 2012 13:30 Covariance wrote: @Doodsmack
Really? I feel that adding specificity adds credibility, whether or not it should.
Hypothetical: If Day9 was pissed at MLG, Adam could legit make the statement "Casters sometimes have conflicting obligations" because such a general statement can't be held accountable. I.e., he can't retroactively be accused of lying in the future compared to, if, say, he said something fabricated, i.e., "Day9 is taking a vacation"
TL;DR - being specific means being accountable, and therefore more credible. Vague umbrella statements like, "Oh, casters are sometimes busy" is nearly worthless and is not 'addressing the issue' by a long shot.
Well how else would you want him to put it? MLG and Day[9] aren't going to get into a row in public over business matters, and if it's something personal going on, I don't think they'll bother giving out a specific reason.
Re: What I would do were I in Adam's position:
There are 2 possibilities:
1. There is no Drama; - Be specific, and therefore accountable, and therefore credible. infinitely more effective than making vague statements that may or may not apply to this situation in particular.
2. There is Drama - Be safe and don't go into details, BUT if you do this, then... - Don't be surprised/bitch that people are curious if you're not going to address it.
you just want to know everything when you aren't entitled to know everything.
This^
Where is Day9 that weekend? None of your fucking business. If Day9 wants people to know he'll tell them, if MLG_Adam even knows it's not for him to say.
This^
Um... I Come to Team Liquid to read this thread?
Day9 not going to be at MLG is a topic worthy of drama? Get over it people. I'm sure he'll be back for future events. Just enjoy the Starcraft.
(Sometimes I think people come to TL because they enjoy the drama more than the Starcraft.)
On June 01 2012 06:52 MLG_Adam wrote: Can we stop arguing/speculating about why X is not here?
We have THIRTEEN casters, plus Adebisi observing, Clutch hosting, & Hwanni/Smix translating. There is no drama or conspiracy. This is our line up. We have not had the same caster line up from one event to the next...ever. Day9 was not at Providence nor at any arena event this year. Husky has not been at an event in a long time. Change, variety, and schedule juggling is just the nature of this business. There is no reason to have an uproar over this. I understand if you like *insert caster here* and would like to see him/her cast, but please stop with the drama.
Adam, you are correct for the most part.
But don't just ignore the issue: address it.
You've posted here like 10x and it took you like post #11 to not pretend people weren't talking about this. And when you did finally mention it, you still didn't address the root question.
Obviously people are going to be confused, and not addressing the issue isn't doing anything to clarify whatever it is that's going on. If it was a simple scheduling conflict, we would expect you to say so. The fact that you aren't saying so suggests (accurate or not) that there is something more.
If there are still rumours being fueled on page +25, it is your fault for not being able to quench it adequately in under 12 posts.
<3
Why address a made up situation. MLG didn't do anything to cause people to speculate on why someone isn't casting. Its a waste of time for any serious member of MLG to discuss a situation made up purely by random people on the internet.
MLG has a great list of casters going to be there on guy isn't going to change anything for anyone who actually likes watching SC2. Adam already mentioned Day9 has prior engagements and anymore than that is not really needed. MLG would have to hire a team specifically for dispelling rumors if they addressed each rumor made up on internet forums.
We have BW legends, some of the best SC2 players foreign and korean, the best english casters and HotS. With or without Day9 this is absolutely a can't miss.
On June 01 2012 14:18 BanditX wrote: Didnt Day9 recently stop hosting State of the Game when the show was picked up again by MLG? I remember JP staying that Day9 was on hiatus.
no. MLG sponsored SotG awhile ago and Day9 was still on the show. Then SotG went independent and Day9 pretty much stopped coming on the show and not long after JP said Day9 was taking a hiatus
On June 01 2012 14:54 Voltimand wrote: To all of those who are saying that Day9 doesn't want to work with MLG, it might be because he is going to the CSL Grand Finals this weekend.
It might be, but maybe it isn't. Raise the pichforks!
Humans are funny. We love the drama. Go to any other big sports website and see the most popular news. They are all about the drama in the sport and not the game itself. There is only one way to stop it in TL and it is with moderation policies (that is, IF TL wants to change). Since I don't care about controversies, I wouldn't care about this change.
On June 01 2012 14:54 Voltimand wrote: To all of those who are saying that Day9 doesn't want to work with MLG, it might be because he is going to the CSL Grand Finals this weekend.
It might be, but maybe it isn't. Raise the pichforks!
Humans are funny. We love the drama. Go to any other big sports website and see the most popular news. They are all about the drama in the sport and not the game itself. There is only one way to stop it in TL and it is with moderation policies (that is, IF TL wants to change). Since I don't care about controversies, I wouldn't care about this change.
TL doesn't really need to change anything, it's a pretty clean and well moderated site imo. There's nothing wrong with expressing your opinion it's all about doing it in a respectful way, the solution isn't to silence anyone that doesn't agree with the general opinion.
On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote: im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever.
I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG.
On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote: im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever.
I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG.
I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh.
On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote: im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever.
I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG.
I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh.
On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote: im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever.
I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG.
I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh.
Can't argue with that.
Don't get me wrong, Day9 is obviously very well spoken and knows how to be engaging but when it comes down to the core of his casting, it's pretty generic stuff.
People complaining about not having their choice casters at an amazing event with top players and great production value all for free... Let's grow up and be thankful for all the good stuff instead of fixating on the small things you want changed.
On June 01 2012 16:10 Advantageous wrote: wish HD would cast with Husky
I don't know how I feel about this. Of course it's great for a throwback, but watching HD cast at IPL4 made me feel like he hasn't really improved since the beta days while Husky has shown immense improvement since then in game knowledge and casting technique.
Sick casting line-up, doesn't ever matter that Day9's not there. It's actually sadder that RotterdaM isn't there with Bitter. Anyways, going to be great!
On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote: im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever.
I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG.
I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh.
No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim.
That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam.
On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote: im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever.
I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG.
I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh.
No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim.
That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam.
While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game?
He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel.
His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game.
On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote: im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever.
I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG.
I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh.
No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim.
That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam.
While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game?
He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming a public persona as opposed to a pro-gamer during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him in SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel.
His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game.
I never claimed that Day9 is the most knowledgeable caster. It's also true that he is not up-to-date with newest gimicks on the Korean ladder. However, when observing, his assessment of ingame situations is very good, which allows him to analyse games better than the vast majority of casters. Obvisouly Artosis has a superior knowledge, but Artosis is far and beyond every other caster in terms of dedication, interest and understanding. I've got to agree that Apollo also possesses a deep knowledge about sc2. I wouldn't say that Wolf fares any better than Day9 in terms of ingame analysis and I can't comment on HD, since the last time I've heard him cast was during the beta...
On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote: im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever.
I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG.
I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh.
No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim.
That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam.
While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game?
He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming a public persona as opposed to a pro-gamer during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him in SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel.
His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game.
I never claimed that Day9 is the most knowledgeable caster. It's also true that he is not up-to-date with newest gimicks on the Korean ladder. However, when observing, his assessment of ingame situations is very good, which allows him to analyse games better than the vast majority of casters. Obvisouly Artosis has a superior knowledge, but Artosis is far and beyond every other caster in terms of dedication, interest and understanding. I've got to agree that Apollo also possesses a deep knowledge about sc2. I wouldn't say that Wolf fares any better than Day9 in terms of ingame analysis and I can't comment on HD, since the last time I've heard him cast was during the beta...
Well there aren't that many popular casters out there you know, Day9 is probably better in term of knowledge than DjWheat, TB, Rob, Husky and that's about it. I would hardly call that a "vast majority".
About Wolf, he might not be as well-spoken as Day9 but his knowledge is much deeper, he's aware of almost any trend in the meta-game, and he plays on the korean server at a decent level, just like Artosis.
Personally i could do very well without rob simpson. For me he is just too polished, too suit-wearer and too much of "had never been a nerd, but sees the money in it now".
I still have the feeling that him being there is some kind of contract with blizzard like *they make the servers stable, but every mlg has to have him in their caster line-ups*
Where the heck did he come from and who thought it would be a good idea to have him in there?
On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote: im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever.
I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG.
I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh.
No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim.
That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam.
While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game?
He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel.
His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game.
You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is.
I don't need a caster to spoon feed the progress of a game. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too.
On June 01 2012 19:33 Atropin wrote: Personally i could do very well without rob simpson. For me he is just too polished, too suit-wearer and too much of "had never been a nerd, but sees the money in it now".
I still have the feeling that him being there is some kind of contract with blizzard like *they make the servers stable, but every mlg has to have him in their caster line-ups*
Where the heck did he come from and who thought it would be a good idea to have him in there?
This is one way of Blizzard showing their support for the scene in having Rob. They may not do much but they are a huge game developer with many teams working on multiple projects. Blizzard would not have hired him if he was not in any way qualified for on of their eSports positions.
On June 01 2012 06:52 MLG_Adam wrote: Can we stop arguing/speculating about why X is not here?
We have THIRTEEN casters, plus Adebisi observing, Clutch hosting, & Hwanni/Smix translating. There is no drama or conspiracy. This is our line up. We have not had the same caster line up from one event to the next...ever. Day9 was not at Providence nor at any arena event this year. Husky has not been at an event in a long time. Change, variety, and schedule juggling is just the nature of this business. There is no reason to have an uproar over this. I understand if you like *insert caster here* and would like to see him/her cast, but please stop with the drama.
Well, you say *insert caster here* like day9 would be some random caster, but he's not, he's the best. I'm not arguing or speculating, you can simply tell us why he's not at MLG when the first matches of Korean pro players will be played outside of Korea No drama or anything else, i would just like to know.
On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote: im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever.
I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG.
I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh.
No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim.
That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam.
While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game?
He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel.
His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game.
You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is.
I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too.
Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean.
And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point.
My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players.
I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother.
The issue Idra was talking about in that SotG about a year ago is what lead Blizzard to buff the overlord speed in the last patch btw, I guess even Blizz agreed with Idra after all
On June 01 2012 18:04 Mirrikh wrote: Some people, myself included, aren't so much interested who is casting, because they are all great, but are more interested why Day 9 isn't there.
So does anyone know the reason? If so please update it on the main page.
Thanks.
What? Why would someone uptdate the main page as to why someone is not going to be at the tournament the thread is talking about? Should we also update the main page to include why HD isn't there? Wolf? Khaldor? 2gd? Lebron James?
Day9 isn't a part of MLG, he isn't required to be there, why would anyone post the reasons of a random guy not showing up to an MLG event? What if Day9 hates MLG? What if he's getting his tooth pulled? Who cares, it changes nothing.
On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote: im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever.
I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG.
I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh.
No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim.
That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam.
While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game?
He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel.
His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game.
You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is.
I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too.
Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean.
And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point.
My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players.
I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother.
Yesterday iNcontroL mentioned that Day9 has been laddering a lot lately is "frickin' good". his protoss in particular. We might not be able to talk down on his understanding of the game for much longer.
On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote: im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever.
I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG.
I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh.
No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim.
That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam.
While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game?
He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel.
His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game.
You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is.
I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too.
Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean.
And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point.
My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players.
I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother.
Theres random players in GM. Hes also claimed he has multiple smurfs, multiple races in GM. Either way, you put way too much weight on rating -- rating doesn't make or break your ability to cast. GM in NA isn't THAT big of a deal either. You aren't granted pro-esque insight into the sc2 meta game. You just have several solid build orders and good reads into opposing meta game builds to make proper decisions, with the execution/mechanics to back it. All of this requires extensive practice, which day9 (PROBABLY? im assuming of course, hope its not wrong) lacks. It's probably also why day9 doesn't talk about his rating (nor do I) as to not get bogged down by a marginal number attempting to inaccurately measure his skill when people such as your self define it as everything.
Your point about not having it all would mean the other more intelligent casters, at least, what I'm paraphrasing what you inferred, couldn't have it all either. Being a top player isn't only about knowing correct decisions/awareness of the metagame neither. But I guess thats what qualifies you to be a caster (all of which most 'analytical' casters ALREADY HAVE), so...
I remember that SotG too. I don't even remember what they were arguing about but that was around the era where IdrA complained about ZvP (as he always did) despite the massive 70-30 differential in winrates for months in pro games. It was two players colliding with opinions. IdrA chose to put himself out there (as he always does) on his opinion of zerg balance, REGARDLESS of whether it was right or wrong. Day9 chose to be politically correct and not get into a debate without evidence (which there really is none because it's too subjective, not even a year past then). Point really is, if you're basing your opinion of day9 on that episode, you probably don't understand the game that well either to even judge.
On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote: im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever.
I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG.
I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh.
No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim.
That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam.
While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game?
He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel.
His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game.
You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is.
I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too.
Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean.
And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point.
My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players.
I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother.
Yesterday iNcontroL mentioned that Day9 has been laddering a lot lately is "frickin' good". his protoss in particular. We might not be able to talk down on his understanding of the game for much longer.
I stand corrected then thank you for the link very informative , it's great to hear he's dedicating more time into playing at high level than I originally (mistakenly) thought.
On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote: im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever.
I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG.
I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh.
No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim.
That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam.
While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game?
He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel.
His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game.
You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is.
I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too.
Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean.
And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point.
My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players.
I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother.
I remember that SotG too. I don't even remember what they were arguing about but that was around the era where IdrA complained about ZvP (as he always did) despite the massive 70-30 differential in winrates for months in pro games. It was two players colliding with opinions. IdrA chose to put himself out there (as he always does) on his opinion of zerg balance, REGARDLESS of whether it was right or wrong. Day9 chose to be politically correct and not get into a debate without evidence (which there really is none because it's too subjective, not even a year past then). Point really is, if you're basing your opinion of day9 on that episode, you probably don't understand the game that well either to even judge.
They were arguing about how zerg had trouble scouting early on, which ultimately lead to Blizz buffing the overlord speed just now in the last patch. I guess time gave reason to Idra on that one
I am with many of you, I immediately mute the stream when I see that Rob Simpson is casting. I don't hate him or anything, but I just can not take anything he says regarding the games seriously. The fact is he makes blatantly incorrect analysis in most situations, and puts question mark inflections at the end of 75% of statements he makes. I'm glad that at least he is not confident in the ridiculous things he is saying... It is maddening to the point of my girlfriend actually yelling at me to mute the game from the other room when he begins talking.
I bought the spring pass, but I will not be buying the summer one if Rob is still casting in the same capacity as he has been lately. I love the way the streams are set up, and every other caster is awesome, including JP, who is catching a lot of flak for some reason.
I know this sounds mean, and I'm sure Rob is a nice guy and everything, but there must be something behind the scenes that he can do instead of casting games.
On June 01 2012 18:04 Mirrikh wrote: Some people, myself included, aren't so much interested who is casting, because they are all great, but are more interested why Day 9 isn't there.
So does anyone know the reason? If so please update it on the main page.
Thanks.
What? Why would someone uptdate the main page as to why someone is not going to be at the tournament the thread is talking about? Should we also update the main page to include why HD isn't there? Wolf? Khaldor? 2gd? Lebron James?
Day9 isn't a part of MLG, he isn't required to be there, why would anyone post the reasons of a random guy not showing up to an MLG event? What if Day9 hates MLG? What if he's getting his tooth pulled? Who cares, it changes nothing.
I care. Some answer here in the thread would be enough also.
On June 01 2012 19:33 Atropin wrote: Personally i could do very well without rob simpson. For me he is just too polished, too suit-wearer and too much of "had never been a nerd, but sees the money in it now".
I still have the feeling that him being there is some kind of contract with blizzard like *they make the servers stable, but every mlg has to have him in their caster line-ups*
Where the heck did he come from and who thought it would be a good idea to have him in there?
This is one way of Blizzard showing their support for the scene in having Rob. They may not do much but they are a huge game developer with many teams working on multiple projects. Blizzard would not have hired him if he was not in any way qualified for on of their eSports positions.
Just some food for thought.
This is just bad logic. Of course no one is saying he isn't qualified for one of the thousands of paid positions in all of esports, but casting requires an intimate knowledge of the game, and he just clearly is not experienced enough to provide decent commentary.
On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote: im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever.
I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG.
I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh.
No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim.
That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam.
While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game?
He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel.
His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game.
You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is.
I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too.
Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean.
And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point.
My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players.
I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother.
Yesterday iNcontroL mentioned that Day9 has been laddering a lot lately is "frickin' good". his protoss in particular. We might not be able to talk down on his understanding of the game for much longer.
I stand corrected then thank you for the link very informative , it's great to hear he's dedicating more time into playing at high level than I originally (mistakenly) thought.
On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote: im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever.
I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG.
I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh.
No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim.
That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam.
While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game?
He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel.
His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game.
You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is.
I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too.
Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean.
And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point.
My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players.
I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother.
I remember that SotG too. I don't even remember what they were arguing about but that was around the era where IdrA complained about ZvP (as he always did) despite the massive 70-30 differential in winrates for months in pro games. It was two players colliding with opinions. IdrA chose to put himself out there (as he always does) on his opinion of zerg balance, REGARDLESS of whether it was right or wrong. Day9 chose to be politically correct and not get into a debate without evidence (which there really is none because it's too subjective, not even a year past then). Point really is, if you're basing your opinion of day9 on that episode, you probably don't understand the game that well either to even judge.
They were arguing about how zerg had trouble scouting early on, which ultimately lead to Blizz buffing the overlord speed just now in the last patch. I guess time gave reason to Idra on that one
That would assume the overlord buff was correct. Or that zerg was incapable of functioning in high level games without the advanced scouting of protoss/terran before the buff....Or that IdrA even had the correct knowledge of balance within the simplicity of stating the obvious that zerg has the weakest scouting options and whether or not it actually made them weaker than the other races comparatively. It also assumes Blizzard is always correct in their balance changes, lol. SC2 isn't that black and white.
On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote: im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever.
I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG.
I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh.
No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim.
That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam.
While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game?
He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel.
His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game.
You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is.
I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too.
Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean.
And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point.
My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players.
I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother.
Yesterday iNcontroL mentioned that Day9 has been laddering a lot lately is "frickin' good". his protoss in particular. We might not be able to talk down on his understanding of the game for much longer.
I stand corrected then thank you for the link very informative , it's great to hear he's dedicating more time into playing at high level than I originally (mistakenly) thought.
On June 01 2012 20:08 Tyrant0 wrote:
On June 01 2012 19:54 Demorase wrote:
On June 01 2012 19:41 Tyrant0 wrote:
On June 01 2012 18:39 Demorase wrote:
On June 01 2012 18:14 ggrrg wrote:
On June 01 2012 15:41 Demorase wrote:
On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote:
On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote: im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever.
I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG.
I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh.
No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim.
That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam.
While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game?
He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel.
His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game.
You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is.
I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too.
Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean.
And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point.
My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players.
I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother.
I remember that SotG too. I don't even remember what they were arguing about but that was around the era where IdrA complained about ZvP (as he always did) despite the massive 70-30 differential in winrates for months in pro games. It was two players colliding with opinions. IdrA chose to put himself out there (as he always does) on his opinion of zerg balance, REGARDLESS of whether it was right or wrong. Day9 chose to be politically correct and not get into a debate without evidence (which there really is none because it's too subjective, not even a year past then). Point really is, if you're basing your opinion of day9 on that episode, you probably don't understand the game that well either to even judge.
They were arguing about how zerg had trouble scouting early on, which ultimately lead to Blizz buffing the overlord speed just now in the last patch. I guess time gave reason to Idra on that one
That would assume the overlord buff was correct. Or that zerg was incapable of functioning in high level games without the advanced scouting of protoss/terran before the buff....Or that IdrA even had the correct knowledge of balance within the simplicity of stating the obvious that zerg has the weakest scouting options and whether or not it actually made them weaker than the other races comparatively. It also assumes Blizzard is always correct in their balance changes, lol. SC2 isn't that black and white.
Also, you can't expect him to know everything, i'm sure that the best pro players out there probably have better insight of their playing races than day9, he has to know a lot about every race to be a good caster. What i do think, is that he has more knowledge than the other casters, not compared to the pro players.
Anyway, i hope that the fact that this thread was turned into a discussion about Day9 would make MLG management understand that he is important to the community and hopefully they will try to come to an agreement to have him at next events ( or whatever other issues that made this impossible now ).
On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote: im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever.
I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG.
I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh.
No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim.
That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam.
While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game?
He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel.
His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game.
You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is.
I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too.
Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean.
And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point.
My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players.
I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother.
Yesterday iNcontroL mentioned that Day9 has been laddering a lot lately is "frickin' good". his protoss in particular. We might not be able to talk down on his understanding of the game for much longer.
I stand corrected then thank you for the link very informative , it's great to hear he's dedicating more time into playing at high level than I originally (mistakenly) thought.
On June 01 2012 20:08 Tyrant0 wrote:
On June 01 2012 19:54 Demorase wrote:
On June 01 2012 19:41 Tyrant0 wrote:
On June 01 2012 18:39 Demorase wrote:
On June 01 2012 18:14 ggrrg wrote:
On June 01 2012 15:41 Demorase wrote:
On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote:
On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote: im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever.
I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG.
I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh.
No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim.
That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam.
While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game?
He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel.
His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game.
You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is.
I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too.
Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean.
And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point.
My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players.
I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother.
I remember that SotG too. I don't even remember what they were arguing about but that was around the era where IdrA complained about ZvP (as he always did) despite the massive 70-30 differential in winrates for months in pro games. It was two players colliding with opinions. IdrA chose to put himself out there (as he always does) on his opinion of zerg balance, REGARDLESS of whether it was right or wrong. Day9 chose to be politically correct and not get into a debate without evidence (which there really is none because it's too subjective, not even a year past then). Point really is, if you're basing your opinion of day9 on that episode, you probably don't understand the game that well either to even judge.
They were arguing about how zerg had trouble scouting early on, which ultimately lead to Blizz buffing the overlord speed just now in the last patch. I guess time gave reason to Idra on that one
That would assume the overlord buff was correct. Or that zerg was incapable of functioning in high level games without the advanced scouting of protoss/terran before the buff....Or that IdrA even had the correct knowledge of balance within the simplicity of stating the obvious that zerg has the weakest scouting options and whether or not it actually made them weaker than the other races comparatively. It also assumes Blizzard is always correct in their balance changes, lol. SC2 isn't that black and white.
Come on. Idra was right on that one let's just leave it at that alright
On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote: [quote] I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG.
I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh.
No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim.
That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam.
While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game?
He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel.
His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game.
You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is.
I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too.
Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean.
And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point.
My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players.
I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother.
Yesterday iNcontroL mentioned that Day9 has been laddering a lot lately is "frickin' good". his protoss in particular. We might not be able to talk down on his understanding of the game for much longer.
I stand corrected then thank you for the link very informative , it's great to hear he's dedicating more time into playing at high level than I originally (mistakenly) thought.
On June 01 2012 20:08 Tyrant0 wrote:
On June 01 2012 19:54 Demorase wrote:
On June 01 2012 19:41 Tyrant0 wrote:
On June 01 2012 18:39 Demorase wrote:
On June 01 2012 18:14 ggrrg wrote:
On June 01 2012 15:41 Demorase wrote:
On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote: [quote] I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG.
I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh.
No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim.
That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam.
While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game?
He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel.
His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game.
You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is.
I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too.
Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean.
And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point.
My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players.
I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother.
I remember that SotG too. I don't even remember what they were arguing about but that was around the era where IdrA complained about ZvP (as he always did) despite the massive 70-30 differential in winrates for months in pro games. It was two players colliding with opinions. IdrA chose to put himself out there (as he always does) on his opinion of zerg balance, REGARDLESS of whether it was right or wrong. Day9 chose to be politically correct and not get into a debate without evidence (which there really is none because it's too subjective, not even a year past then). Point really is, if you're basing your opinion of day9 on that episode, you probably don't understand the game that well either to even judge.
They were arguing about how zerg had trouble scouting early on, which ultimately lead to Blizz buffing the overlord speed just now in the last patch. I guess time gave reason to Idra on that one
That would assume the overlord buff was correct. Or that zerg was incapable of functioning in high level games without the advanced scouting of protoss/terran before the buff....Or that IdrA even had the correct knowledge of balance within the simplicity of stating the obvious that zerg has the weakest scouting options and whether or not it actually made them weaker than the other races comparatively. It also assumes Blizzard is always correct in their balance changes, lol. SC2 isn't that black and white.
Also, you can't expect him to know everything, i'm sure that the best pro players out there probably have better insight of their playing races than day9, he has to know a lot about every race to be a good caster. What i do think, is that he has more knowledge than the other casters, not compared to the pro players.
I never claimed nor expect him to know everything. But to say he's not as smart as other casters because he doesn't, (without even putting this burden upon other comparative "analytical casters") is, a ridiculous notion.
On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote: [quote] I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG.
I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh.
No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim.
That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam.
While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game?
He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel.
His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game.
You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is.
I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too.
Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean.
And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point.
My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players.
I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother.
Yesterday iNcontroL mentioned that Day9 has been laddering a lot lately is "frickin' good". his protoss in particular. We might not be able to talk down on his understanding of the game for much longer.
I stand corrected then thank you for the link very informative , it's great to hear he's dedicating more time into playing at high level than I originally (mistakenly) thought.
On June 01 2012 20:08 Tyrant0 wrote:
On June 01 2012 19:54 Demorase wrote:
On June 01 2012 19:41 Tyrant0 wrote:
On June 01 2012 18:39 Demorase wrote:
On June 01 2012 18:14 ggrrg wrote:
On June 01 2012 15:41 Demorase wrote:
On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote: [quote] I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG.
I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh.
No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim.
That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam.
While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game?
He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel.
His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game.
You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is.
I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too.
Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean.
And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point.
My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players.
I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother.
I remember that SotG too. I don't even remember what they were arguing about but that was around the era where IdrA complained about ZvP (as he always did) despite the massive 70-30 differential in winrates for months in pro games. It was two players colliding with opinions. IdrA chose to put himself out there (as he always does) on his opinion of zerg balance, REGARDLESS of whether it was right or wrong. Day9 chose to be politically correct and not get into a debate without evidence (which there really is none because it's too subjective, not even a year past then). Point really is, if you're basing your opinion of day9 on that episode, you probably don't understand the game that well either to even judge.
They were arguing about how zerg had trouble scouting early on, which ultimately lead to Blizz buffing the overlord speed just now in the last patch. I guess time gave reason to Idra on that one
That would assume the overlord buff was correct. Or that zerg was incapable of functioning in high level games without the advanced scouting of protoss/terran before the buff....Or that IdrA even had the correct knowledge of balance within the simplicity of stating the obvious that zerg has the weakest scouting options and whether or not it actually made them weaker than the other races comparatively. It also assumes Blizzard is always correct in their balance changes, lol. SC2 isn't that black and white.
Come on. Idra was right on that one let's just leave it at that alright
This bogs down a debate of a caster's aptitude into a debate of whether or not a particularly outspoken player who under performs compared to other prominent zergs was correct on balance - and basing that caster's aptitude on an argument between them. Not even trying to be rude to IdrA; simply speaking plainly. You shouldn't take anything he says, nor blizzard, nor day9, nor myself, nor what anyone says about sc2 for granted. They're all, ultimately, subjective and opinionated.
Either way, I'm glad Tastosis can make it out again.
with this many casters i sincerely hope more then 1 pair will be casting the important games. Would be dreadful to watch a very important game and then having to hear TotalBiscuit rambling nosense instead of the sanity that is Tastosis.
I don't particularly care what level Day9 plays on, although it would be nice if he streamed himself laddering every now and then. Other casters do it, and the world doesn't end. But that aside, I, as a mid-Masters player on EU, Day9's "analysis" (while casting, since I haven't watched a daily in a long time) feels very insubstantial to me. It's like Cloud said in his vlog, Day9 concentrates on random stuff which is often barely relevant to how the actual game plays out, and in the process misses the important decisions and details of execution that make one player win and the other lose. As opposed to Khaldor and Wolf for example, wherein I always feel like they're focused on the meat of the game, even if Wolf calls every battle incorrectly.
Maybe Day9 does understand the game well, but his casting comes off as "The Sean Plott Show, featuring SC2 in the background". And I feel like the amount of "No Day9, not watching" sentiment in this thread supports this idea. His fans clearly prefer to watch Day9 play Skyrim over the world's best players competing in SC2 in one of this year's largest offline tournaments. So in that sense, he's like the reverse Husky.
On June 01 2012 21:06 Toadvine wrote: I don't particularly care what level Day9 plays on, although it would be nice if he streamed himself laddering every now and then. Other casters do it, and the world doesn't end. But that aside, I, as a mid-Masters player on EU, Day9's "analysis" (while casting, since I haven't watched a daily in a long time) feels very insubstantial to me. It's like Cloud said in his vlog, Day9 concentrates on random stuff which is often barely relevant to how the actual game plays out, and in the process misses the important decisions and details of execution that make one player win and the other lose. As opposed to Khaldor and Wolf for example, wherein I always feel like they're focused on the meat of the game, even if Wolf calls every battle incorrectly.
Maybe Day9 does understand the game well, but his casting comes off as "The Sean Plott Show, featuring SC2 in the background". And I feel like the amount of "No Day9, not watching" sentiment in this thread supports this idea. His fans clearly prefer to watch Day9 play Skyrim over the world's best players competing in SC2 in one of this year's largest offline tournaments. So in that sense, he's like the reverse Husky.
I really hate going off topic in this thread but what kind of things do you consider random and barely relevant that Day 9 focuses on during his casts and daily streams?
On June 01 2012 19:33 Atropin wrote: Personally i could do very well without rob simpson. For me he is just too polished, too suit-wearer and too much of "had never been a nerd, but sees the money in it now".
I still have the feeling that him being there is some kind of contract with blizzard like *they make the servers stable, but every mlg has to have him in their caster line-ups*
Where the heck did he come from and who thought it would be a good idea to have him in there?
This is one way of Blizzard showing their support for the scene in having Rob. They may not do much but they are a huge game developer with many teams working on multiple projects. Blizzard would not have hired him if he was not in any way qualified for on of their eSports positions.
Just some food for thought.
Yes, from a commercial point of view he might be the "right choice" and i have to agree that i do not have sufficient knowledge on his background. Nevertheless, he does not strike me as anybody who comes "out of the community". He strikes me as a marketing guy. He is not authentic, more acting than casting, has a bad knowledge of the game and just annoys me. That is a personal opinion, not anything objective. End of story.
You are talking completely out of your ass. What has he done at all that is considered immoral? One of the more ridiculous posts I've ever seen.
It was his first post, so, yeah, troll.
Anyway, really liking the casters. Glad to see Husky as more of a an MLG regular again, and I really liked Totalbiscuits casting at the Spring Arena 2, so cool that he's onboard as well. Day 9 there would have made it even better, obviously, but still, really cool line-up.
Haha wow. You don't like what you hear, so you immediately call me a troll? Based on my post count?
Its because the majority of accounts posting inflammatory opinions with a sub-10 post count are usually flame baiters, like you.
Okay, i get it, you're a Day9 subber, to get your money's worth you have to hold him up in awe, otherwise you'll feel buyer's remorse.
4 posts.
I swear, I could kill a small child if I dropped the irony on him.
TB is the embodiment of the ongoing caster controversy. youtube/twitter diva providing gold league level analysis that can only focus on the negatives/"mistakes" of players. and while I respect the analysis of Apollo I can't stand his voice/mannerisms, with his almost whispered excitement and "sooooooo much damage!!!" Much rather prefer the casting archon. And kind of glad Day9 isn't going to be there. Some of his more rabid fans need to open up to watching other casters, old and new. I'm excited myself to watch a few different streams with some new casters instead of just sitting and waiting for my 1 favorite caster to stream. Good times ahead.
On June 01 2012 23:57 Yoduh wrote: TB is the embodiment of the ongoing caster controversy. youtube/twitter diva providing gold league level analysis that can only focus on the negatives/"mistakes" of players. and while I respect the analysis of Apollo I can't stand his voice/mannerisms, with his almost whispered excitement and "sooooooo much damage!!!" Much rather prefer the casting archon. And kind of glad Day9 isn't going to be there. Some of his more rabid fans need to open up to watching other casters, old and new. I'm excited myself to watch a few different streams with some new casters instead of just sitting and waiting for my 1 favorite caster to stream. Good times ahead.
That's exactly what we need. Its nauseating to hear casters kiss everyone's ass and make excuses for bad decisions. We need casters to tell the truth. Accomplishments during beta are irrelevent in regards to current performances.
On June 01 2012 05:44 Zaqwe wrote: So glad Day9 won't be there. He ruins any event with his overly fake enthusiasm, poor teamwork with co-casters, and completely bullshit improvised "analysis".
Day9 fans don't really like esports or starcraft at all anyways. They just want to watch The Day9 Show.
I'm actually a bit surprised how many admit they won't even watch the best players in the world compete for a high prize pool because all they care about is watching Day9's egocentric masturbatory rambling.
Hmm saying day9 ruins events is the wrong thing to say, especially here. However, I think you're right about his fake enthusiasm and his horrible teamwork casting skills. Do people really believe he really finds silly immature things so funny that he basically falls off his chair or interupts other casters with laughter? If he really does find things that funny he's a little bit off lol. "and completely bullshit improvised "analysis"" His analytical casting is very good by himself, not sure what you watched to make you think his analysis is bullshit and improvised.
I just get a little sick of how people think he's a saint because of how he acts on camera, you people don't really know him and neither do I but there has been talk in the community that he can be an asshole - not confirmed of course, just throwing in something for people to think about before they make him their idol.
I really hate it when people keep harping on this "fake enthusiasm." Let's be real, people are just acting all cynical to try to justify themselves in their lack of sunny disposition. It's a classic psychological process, to think "oh, he looks to be a really really fantastic human being, he must obviously be hiding something dark and evil!" to console oneself on one's own lack of pure goodness.
I never said he was "hiding something dark and evil". And there is a difference between being enthusiastic about something and acting like you've just been stuck in a room full of laughing gas everytime you hear a joke. Most casters are very enthusiastic about what they do, you can tell, but Day[9] goes way overboard.
On June 02 2012 00:47 TumNarDok wrote: Tsktsk all this BITTERness.
But it proves the point that the Starcraft (2) community has their priorities wrong in terms of who is put into the spotlight.
Broodwar/any other esport: Player > Team > Organizer > Caster Starcraft2: Caster > Organizer > Player > Team
Ok I'm going to stay my hand on this one. I've littered enough threads with bad puns.
Anyway, its because the casters get more interaction with the fans, especially at events. You could probably count on one hand the number of players that are even remotely close to Day in popularity...
I love Day9 and will miss him, but the other casters in the lineup are SICK. And considering the hype and crazy lineup of great players, this event will be bomb.com.
On June 01 2012 21:06 Toadvine wrote: I don't particularly care what level Day9 plays on, although it would be nice if he streamed himself laddering every now and then. Other casters do it, and the world doesn't end. But that aside, I, as a mid-Masters player on EU, Day9's "analysis" (while casting, since I haven't watched a daily in a long time) feels very insubstantial to me. It's like Cloud said in his vlog, Day9 concentrates on random stuff which is often barely relevant to how the actual game plays out, and in the process misses the important decisions and details of execution that make one player win and the other lose. As opposed to Khaldor and Wolf for example, wherein I always feel like they're focused on the meat of the game, even if Wolf calls every battle incorrectly.
Maybe Day9 does understand the game well, but his casting comes off as "The Sean Plott Show, featuring SC2 in the background". And I feel like the amount of "No Day9, not watching" sentiment in this thread supports this idea. His fans clearly prefer to watch Day9 play Skyrim over the world's best players competing in SC2 in one of this year's largest offline tournaments. So in that sense, he's like the reverse Husky.
I really hate going off topic in this thread but what kind of things do you consider random and barely relevant that Day 9 focuses on during his casts and daily streams?
I'd have to rewatch some vods in order to offer proper examples, but here's something from Red Bull Battlegrounds that immediately stood out as random and irrelevant. The game was Thorzain vs Sheth, I believe, and Day9 suddenly started talking about how amazing Thorzain is with distributing his workers among bases. Then the observer proceeds to show Thorzain's bases, and it's immediately obvious that Thorzain just did the same thing everyone else does - got up to optimal saturation on his main/nat, and rallied his CCs to his third's minerals.
He's kind of like the Paulo Coelho of sc2 casting, really good at creating an illusion of depth.
Also, a friend told me Sundance hates Dutch people and that's why Rotterdam isn't casting. Damn you Sundance, so unprofessional.
I genuinely hope that everybody is trolling about speculation of why Rotterdam isn't casting.
It's been mentioned so many times and thought it was general common knowledge before anyways that he would be representing ROOT in the open bracket.........
On June 02 2012 02:23 paintfive wrote: Day9 is not casting because he will be competing in the Open Bracket. (obviously)
The whole "Day9 Daily" was just a very elaborate ruse to get a bunch of top pros to send him their replays so he can snipe them out of the open bracket :O
On June 01 2012 21:06 Toadvine wrote: I don't particularly care what level Day9 plays on, although it would be nice if he streamed himself laddering every now and then. Other casters do it, and the world doesn't end. But that aside, I, as a mid-Masters player on EU, Day9's "analysis" (while casting, since I haven't watched a daily in a long time) feels very insubstantial to me. It's like Cloud said in his vlog, Day9 concentrates on random stuff which is often barely relevant to how the actual game plays out, and in the process misses the important decisions and details of execution that make one player win and the other lose. As opposed to Khaldor and Wolf for example, wherein I always feel like they're focused on the meat of the game, even if Wolf calls every battle incorrectly.
Maybe Day9 does understand the game well, but his casting comes off as "The Sean Plott Show, featuring SC2 in the background". And I feel like the amount of "No Day9, not watching" sentiment in this thread supports this idea. His fans clearly prefer to watch Day9 play Skyrim over the world's best players competing in SC2 in one of this year's largest offline tournaments. So in that sense, he's like the reverse Husky.
I really hate going off topic in this thread but what kind of things do you consider random and barely relevant that Day 9 focuses on during his casts and daily streams?
I'd have to rewatch some vods in order to offer proper examples, but here's something from Red Bull Battlegrounds that immediately stood out as random and irrelevant. The game was Thorzain vs Sheth, I believe, and Day9 suddenly started talking about how amazing Thorzain is with distributing his workers among bases. Then the observer proceeds to show Thorzain's bases, and it's immediately obvious that Thorzain just did the same thing everyone else does - got up to optimal saturation on his main/nat, and rallied his CCs to his third's minerals.
He's kind of like the Paulo Coelho of sc2 casting, really good at creating an illusion of depth.
Also, a friend told me Sundance hates Dutch people and that's why Rotterdam isn't casting. Damn you Sundance, so unprofessional.
Sundance hates 2 types of people in the world: People who hate other people due to where they are from and the Dutch.
On June 02 2012 04:16 tyrless wrote: So uh where is Day9? Kind of a huge blunder by MLG, definitely knocks the tournament down a few notches to not get him.
On June 02 2012 04:16 tyrless wrote: So uh where is Day9? Kind of a huge blunder by MLG, definitely knocks the tournament down a few notches to not get him.
I'm guessing Red Bull Battlegrounds is a more prestigious tournament than the GSL in your own, special world.
On June 02 2012 04:16 tyrless wrote: So uh where is Day9? Kind of a huge blunder by MLG, definitely knocks the tournament down a few notches to not get him.
Lmao, another who says this. Day9 not being there does NOTHING to affect tournament quality. I get liking casters, but being so in love that if they don't go to an event you think it will be a few notches worse...man. I could even appreciate if there were 0 good casters and everyone was suprised but we have like the best casting lineup i've ever seen here. Just deal with it, and talk to Day 9 and tell him to actually cast events which may not have him as the centre of attention. I doubt you'll be successful.
On June 02 2012 04:16 tyrless wrote: So uh where is Day9? Kind of a huge blunder by MLG, definitely knocks the tournament down a few notches to not get him.
I agree entirely
What if he said "No, I have other plans. I need to take a break and have a few meetings that week. Thanks for the offer". Why would that be MLG's fault?
I hope they have backup nerds again. Tasteless seems to relish in throwing the commentary over to the back up nerds for some extra insight. It's very cute.
I'm happy we'll have a major MLG tournament without Day9's ego filling the streams, but now there are not enough analytical casters.
Apollo and Artosis out of 8 "Premiere" casters is not enough, not in the slightest.
Apollo+Artosis+Wolf+Khaldor would have been perfect. Or a player casting, anything to give us enough analytical caster to prevent the aberration that were pairs like JP+Simpson or Simpson+Husky at the previous arenas.
Day[9] should be there... one of the few current SC2 casters who is fully capable of BW casting too, and thus analyzing the Kespa players well.
To me the show event with the Kespa stars is ranked way above the main MLG event, it deserves top quality casting. So, with this list, it must be Tastosis all the way.
Rotti isnt playing, hes leaving the USA. His VISA expires the day before MLG. I didnt think Day9 still had so many fangirls. He was great in the beginning but i wouldnt even put him in the top 5 for casters in the past year. Im sad Rotti wont be there though. Theres tastosis for the bw too...
So many casters and streams... it seems excessive to me.
On June 02 2012 07:39 CounterOrder wrote: Rotti isnt playing, hes leaving the USA. His VISA expires the day before MLG. I didnt think Day9 still had so many fangirls. He was great in the beginning but i wouldnt even put him in the top 5 for casters in the past year. Im sad Rotti wont be there though. Theres tastosis for the bw too...
So many casters and streams... it seems excessive to me.
Gonna be sweeeet.
ummm where did you hear that about Rotterdam? I have heard no such things
On June 02 2012 07:41 figq wrote: Casters without BW expertise would not be able to analyze their games properly, and give insight as to why they play certain "odd" styles in SC2.
A protoss going Roach Hydra Corruptors in PvZ, a Terran having no siege tanks when a Muta/Ling/Bling timing comes, has nothing to do with being influenced with BW.
Not to be rude towards them, but they play certains odd styles because they don't know how to play the game yet, and not because they have influences from BW.
But since the demand for "BW-pros playing SC2" is so high, they'll make them play eachother anyways,
Ther's a reason why they just didn't seed them into the Open Bracket but made them play just between themselves.
On June 02 2012 07:41 figq wrote: Casters without BW expertise would not be able to analyze their games properly, and give insight as to why they play certain "odd" styles in SC2.
A protoss going Roach Hydra Corruptors in PvZ, a Terran having no siege tanks when a Muta/Ling/Bling timing comes, has nothing to do with being influenced with BW.
Not to be rude towards them, but they play certains odd styles because they don't know how to play the game yet, and not because they have influences from BW.
But since the demand for "BW-pros playing SC2" is so high, they'll make them play eachother anyways,
Ther's a reason why they just didn't seed them into the Open Bracket but made them play just between themselves.
Look. If you don't know who they are, better don't even watch the event with them - it won't be fun for you, just some master-level nonsense in SC2. The whole point of this mini-event is for people who actually know who these players are and expect analysis based on their past and their BW styles of play. Analysis of their transition to SC2 based on what we already know about them from BW.
Apart from Tastosis, there's nobody else capable of doing that there. Perhaps Husky and Bitter can help too, they have BW experience. But it would have been the best to have Day[9] there; he is the most accomplished BW player among these casters.
On June 02 2012 01:24 jimbob615 wrote: no way i'm watching this MLG without Day 9 there... boring... next please...
LOL that's like me saying I won't watch a Dodgers game if Vin Scully isn't casting it, as if I'd stop watching my favorite team solely based on who is casting the game.
Same goes with MLG. I love Day9, but no way I'd miss watching my favorite players just because he's not there.
On June 02 2012 07:39 CounterOrder wrote: Rotti isnt playing, hes leaving the USA. His VISA expires the day before MLG. I didnt think Day9 still had so many fangirls. He was great in the beginning but i wouldnt even put him in the top 5 for casters in the past year. Im sad Rotti wont be there though. Theres tastosis for the bw too...
So many casters and streams... it seems excessive to me.
Gonna be sweeeet.
ummm where did you hear that about Rotterdam? I have heard no such things
He said so himself on his stream last night. He's really bummed about it. : (
He said he will be back really soon though. Like a week or 2, he actually mightve said he will be back ina few days not weks, it was liek 430am at the time so -_-; but, yes he is still in NASL! :D
On June 02 2012 07:39 CounterOrder wrote: Rotti isnt playing, hes leaving the USA. His VISA expires the day before MLG. I didnt think Day9 still had so many fangirls. He was great in the beginning but i wouldnt even put him in the top 5 for casters in the past year. Im sad Rotti wont be there though. Theres tastosis for the bw too...
So many casters and streams... it seems excessive to me.
Gonna be sweeeet.
ummm where did you hear that about Rotterdam? I have heard no such things
He said so himself on his stream last night. He's really bummed about it. : (
Yea, Day9 isn't going to be there, but I'm not going to shed any tears over that, its not like we need anymore casters or streams with this anyways. If it's true that he wanted to set up his own stream for ad revenue, than good on MLG for not giving into him like that. Although its kind of weird that Husky and Rob Simpson are there without him, I don't remember those 2 ever being at a tourney without him, or without casting with him.
We've got 16 of the world's best, 256 more great players in the Open Bracket, the Blizzard U.S. Nationals AND The KesPA exhibition tournament. If you want to miss that because Day9 isn't there, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Do I need to feel bad, because I miss Rotterdam on this list more than Day(9)? Bitterdam is pretty much my favorite caster duo. Still wish him best of luck as a player Rotti!
On June 02 2012 13:07 Wingblade wrote: Yea, Day9 isn't going to be there, but I'm not going to shed any tears over that, its not like we need anymore casters or streams with this anyways. If it's true that he wanted to set up his own stream for ad revenue, than good on MLG for not giving into him like that. Although its kind of weird that Husky and Rob Simpson are there without him, I don't remember those 2 ever being at a tourney without him, or without casting with him.
This whole Day9 wanting his own stream thing is a bit funny considering he's casting the CSL finals on their stream and has casted many tourneys on the tourney stream and not his own. He can't be everywhere he wants to be, all the time. Its not the first time he's missed an MLG and there were never these silly conspiracy theories before.
Perhaps he has a deal with redbull that doesn't allow him to work with MLG, perhaps hes tired, perhaps he just wanted a weekend to be able to watch SC2 instead of cast it. Nobody that knows the answer is talking to the public about it and nor should they, if I were day9 i'd be laughing my ass off at all the conspiracy theorists. The conspiracies may be right but who cares, everyone has the right to ask for their price and everyone else has the right to refuse.
Sounds like a fantastic lineup, MLG. If I didn't work all weekend, I'd definitely get a ticket. Maybe I can get my schedule fixed by the next event ^.^ MLG fighting!
If Day 9 has really become the diva some people claim him to be then I glad he's not casting for MLG anymore. I mean I like the guy or at least I used to, but I can't stand people who are so full of themselves that they demand their own stream or else they won't cast for a tournament.
On June 01 2012 21:06 Toadvine wrote: I don't particularly care what level Day9 plays on, although it would be nice if he streamed himself laddering every now and then. Other casters do it, and the world doesn't end. But that aside, I, as a mid-Masters player on EU, Day9's "analysis" (while casting, since I haven't watched a daily in a long time) feels very insubstantial to me. It's like Cloud said in his vlog, Day9 concentrates on random stuff which is often barely relevant to how the actual game plays out, and in the process misses the important decisions and details of execution that make one player win and the other lose. As opposed to Khaldor and Wolf for example, wherein I always feel like they're focused on the meat of the game, even if Wolf calls every battle incorrectly.
Maybe Day9 does understand the game well, but his casting comes off as "The Sean Plott Show, featuring SC2 in the background". And I feel like the amount of "No Day9, not watching" sentiment in this thread supports this idea. His fans clearly prefer to watch Day9 play Skyrim over the world's best players competing in SC2 in one of this year's largest offline tournaments. So in that sense, he's like the reverse Husky.
Spot on...I'm only high diamond on NA but I learn very little from day9 (even in his instructional dailies, I feel that he stretches out what could be stated simply in 10 minutes into an hour-long fest)...I think his casting is more focused towards the lower leagues which is smart because that represents most of his audience ($$$)!
I beat TotalBiscuit 1v1. I'm not even good.... I don't think he should be allowed to give analysis on pro games.... he doesn't provide much if he admittedly can never get into plat league.
On June 03 2012 09:40 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote: If Day 9 has really become the diva some people claim him to be then I glad he's not casting for MLG anymore. I mean I like the guy or at least I used to, but I can't stand people who are so full of themselves that they demand their own stream or else they won't cast for a tournament.
It's all just stupid rumors, I doubt Day9 would be like that. People just want to start drama, don't believe anything you hear until it's from a reliable source. Day9 loves eSports, bottom line, I could never see him doing such a thing. I'm sure if he wanted to use his own stream, he would set up a pro tournament himself, and he's done that before. Idk, so much hate on casters right now.
On June 03 2012 11:37 FreedomMurder wrote: I beat TotalBiscuit 1v1. I'm not even good.... I don't think he should be allowed to give analysis on pro games.... he doesn't provide much if he admittedly can never get into plat league.
By the same token since you've never casted high level Starcraft you shouldn't be allowed to give analysis of my casting. Same logic yes? Both are full of fallacy.
On June 03 2012 11:37 FreedomMurder wrote: I beat TotalBiscuit 1v1. I'm not even good.... I don't think he should be allowed to give analysis on pro games.... he doesn't provide much if he admittedly can never get into plat league.
By the same token since you've never casted high level Starcraft you shouldn't be allowed to give analysis of my casting. Same logic yes? Both are full of fallacy.
TB man the hate wont stop. Just wanted to let you know that a lot of people like the energy you bring. I doubt these people even dislike your casting, they are just bored and looking for someone to insult.
Just keep doing your thing and it wont matter what they say. Its obvious you care about the game and you have a good casting personality. You may not be a master SC2 strategist but its not like you don't know anything about the game and what you don't know you'll learn over time. I enjoy your casting so keep it up.
the free stream have really bad quality, they are unwatchable... this is bad: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/live i was hoping for at least the same free stream quality of GSL...
On June 01 2012 20:17 Shallot wrote: I am with many of you, I immediately mute the stream when I see that Rob Simpson is casting. I don't hate him or anything, but I just can not take anything he says regarding the games seriously. The fact is he makes blatantly incorrect analysis in most situations, and puts question mark inflections at the end of 75% of statements he makes. I'm glad that at least he is not confident in the ridiculous things he is saying... It is maddening to the point of my girlfriend actually yelling at me to mute the game from the other room when he begins talking.
I bought the spring pass, but I will not be buying the summer one if Rob is still casting in the same capacity as he has been lately. I love the way the streams are set up, and every other caster is awesome, including JP, who is catching a lot of flak for some reason.
I know this sounds mean, and I'm sure Rob is a nice guy and everything, but there must be something behind the scenes that he can do instead of casting games.
This is what you can do. Keep muting the stream or turn on another one. A lot of people like his casting. Quit whining.
On June 03 2012 11:37 FreedomMurder wrote: I beat TotalBiscuit 1v1. I'm not even good.... I don't think he should be allowed to give analysis on pro games.... he doesn't provide much if he admittedly can never get into plat league.
By the same token since you've never casted high level Starcraft you shouldn't be allowed to give analysis of my casting. Same logic yes? Both are full of fallacy.
I did beat you TB ... remember you tweeted about how you hate smurfs ;D. The 2nd claim isn't a fallacy either. In every other "sport" the commentators all have expert level analysis as they were former pro players or coaches. This is like me playing basketball outside with my friends and then thinking i have the skills to commentate the NBA playoffs. I know you have a great radio voice but that doesn't really make up for it in the slightest. So maybe stop focusing on sounding clever and get some games under your belt so you have something to say.
On June 03 2012 11:37 FreedomMurder wrote: I beat TotalBiscuit 1v1. I'm not even good.... I don't think he should be allowed to give analysis on pro games.... he doesn't provide much if he admittedly can never get into plat league.
By the same token since you've never casted high level Starcraft you shouldn't be allowed to give analysis of my casting. Same logic yes? Both are full of fallacy.
I did beat you TB ... remember you tweeted about how you hate smurfs ;D. The 2nd claim isn't a fallacy either. In every other "sport" the commentators all have expert level analysis as they were former pro players or coaches. This is like me playing basketball outside with my friends and then thinking i have the skills to commentate the NBA playoffs. I know you have a great radio voice but that doesn't really make up for it in the slightest. So maybe stop focusing on sounding clever and get some games under your belt so you have something to say.
In all the sports I've ever watched you normally have the main commentator who has never played the game at the top level plus some ex-players (maybe only one) who gives the insight. Being a caster is a job and so is being a player - nobody does both very well (well, ok, maybe Grubby).
btw, I don't particularly like TotalBiscuit (no offence dude, I don't mean personally, your casting style just isn't my cup of tea). It's got nothing to do with him being worse than me at starcraft. TB isn't an analytical caster, he's the man who brings the voice and the energy to the cast. He's plenty experienced enough with the game for that, IMO. I'm not going to ask him why Parting did X vs MKP, but his job is not to have those answers.
P.S. Also, great lineup, I would prefer to see Day9 and Husky commentating (together would be best, love those guys together), but as long as Tastosis is there and some other decent casters (which is certainly surpassed here), I'm happy .
On June 03 2012 11:37 FreedomMurder wrote: I beat TotalBiscuit 1v1. I'm not even good.... I don't think he should be allowed to give analysis on pro games.... he doesn't provide much if he admittedly can never get into plat league.
By the same token since you've never casted high level Starcraft you shouldn't be allowed to give analysis of my casting. Same logic yes? Both are full of fallacy.
I did beat you TB ... remember you tweeted about how you hate smurfs ;D. The 2nd claim isn't a fallacy either. In every other "sport" the commentators all have expert level analysis as they were former pro players or coaches. This is like me playing basketball outside with my friends and then thinking i have the skills to commentate the NBA playoffs. I know you have a great radio voice but that doesn't really make up for it in the slightest. So maybe stop focusing on sounding clever and get some games under your belt so you have something to say.
There are colour commentators who keep things exciting and casters who analyse things, they often work together. TB has admitted that he is more a colour commentator than analysis.
Events need both types of commentators, they have to entertain the fans
On June 03 2012 11:37 FreedomMurder wrote: I beat TotalBiscuit 1v1. I'm not even good.... I don't think he should be allowed to give analysis on pro games.... he doesn't provide much if he admittedly can never get into plat league.
By the same token since you've never casted high level Starcraft you shouldn't be allowed to give analysis of my casting. Same logic yes? Both are full of fallacy.
I did beat you TB ... remember you tweeted about how you hate smurfs ;D. The 2nd claim isn't a fallacy either. In every other "sport" the commentators all have expert level analysis as they were former pro players or coaches. This is like me playing basketball outside with my friends and then thinking i have the skills to commentate the NBA playoffs. I know you have a great radio voice but that doesn't really make up for it in the slightest. So maybe stop focusing on sounding clever and get some games under your belt so you have something to say.
There are colour commentators who keep things exciting and casters who analyse things, they often work together. TB has admitted that he is more a colour commentator than analysis.
Events need both types of commentators, they have to entertain the fans
I know they need both types of commentators. In all pro sports they have both kinds, but regardless they were pros. In the NBA Jeff Van Gundy provides the colour commentary to his partners heavier analysis. Yet he was the coach of the New York Knicks and played in the NBA before that..... I just feel that casters should have some level of expertise to share with viewers regardless of the role they fill. Look at Day 9, D apollo, or Rotterdam - great analysis and great commentary with plenty of humor.
On June 03 2012 11:37 FreedomMurder wrote: I beat TotalBiscuit 1v1. I'm not even good.... I don't think he should be allowed to give analysis on pro games.... he doesn't provide much if he admittedly can never get into plat league.
By the same token since you've never casted high level Starcraft you shouldn't be allowed to give analysis of my casting. Same logic yes? Both are full of fallacy.
I did beat you TB ... remember you tweeted about how you hate smurfs ;D. The 2nd claim isn't a fallacy either. In every other "sport" the commentators all have expert level analysis as they were former pro players or coaches. This is like me playing basketball outside with my friends and then thinking i have the skills to commentate the NBA playoffs. I know you have a great radio voice but that doesn't really make up for it in the slightest. So maybe stop focusing on sounding clever and get some games under your belt so you have something to say.
I think you need to look up fallacy. His point was, if not being a high-level SC2 player prohibits his casting play, then by the same logic your not being a high-level SC2 caster should prohibit you from critiqueing his casting.
i.e. If you think he should be banned from casting for not playing at a high level, then you are banned from critiqueing his casting because you don't cast at a good level.
Its all a bit irrelevant anyway since it just comes from a mis-expression - you have no right to "allow" him to cast, you just expressed "I don't like his casting" poorly.
On June 03 2012 11:37 FreedomMurder wrote: I beat TotalBiscuit 1v1. I'm not even good.... I don't think he should be allowed to give analysis on pro games.... he doesn't provide much if he admittedly can never get into plat league.
By the same token since you've never casted high level Starcraft you shouldn't be allowed to give analysis of my casting. Same logic yes? Both are full of fallacy.
I did beat you TB ... remember you tweeted about how you hate smurfs ;D. The 2nd claim isn't a fallacy either. In every other "sport" the commentators all have expert level analysis as they were former pro players or coaches. This is like me playing basketball outside with my friends and then thinking i have the skills to commentate the NBA playoffs. I know you have a great radio voice but that doesn't really make up for it in the slightest. So maybe stop focusing on sounding clever and get some games under your belt so you have something to say.
Um no, that's not true at all lol. Nice attempt to sound cool because TB tweeted about you, though.
Hmm, all this talk about not being "aloud" to do stuff is dumb. We are all fans of esports and should be free to critique players and casters alike. However... you people should realize that negative comments about player or caster skill sound stupid, unless you are someone who ACTUALLY knows it better than the people you criticize. However (2) as a high level player I find it hard to listen to casters who don't know what they are talking about. Most people agree tastosis are/is the ultimate casting duo and this is because they try really hard and know the game inside and out from a player and caster POV. I think people who criticize TB and other, less informed casters, would have a bit less hate if the casters just spent some time learning the game better. Im not 100% sure but Wolf from GOM isn't high masters on korean server but he clearly has spent a lot of time ACTUALLY LEARNING the builds and understanding the game, this is why people like him. You don't have to be a pro but PLEASE show some respect for the viewers and learn!--- I know MLG isn't quite the level of GSL but they could do better- don't have people who know nothing "analyze" these games....
On June 03 2012 11:37 FreedomMurder wrote: I beat TotalBiscuit 1v1. I'm not even good.... I don't think he should be allowed to give analysis on pro games.... he doesn't provide much if he admittedly can never get into plat league.
By the same token since you've never casted high level Starcraft you shouldn't be allowed to give analysis of my casting. Same logic yes? Both are full of fallacy.
I did beat you TB ... remember you tweeted about how you hate smurfs ;D. The 2nd claim isn't a fallacy either. In every other "sport" the commentators all have expert level analysis as they were former pro players or coaches. This is like me playing basketball outside with my friends and then thinking i have the skills to commentate the NBA playoffs. I know you have a great radio voice but that doesn't really make up for it in the slightest. So maybe stop focusing on sounding clever and get some games under your belt so you have something to say.
You clearly are pretty deficient in brain cells if you actually believe what you just said. There are actually alot of sports casters out there who commentate professional events who have never played the game. Hell there are even coaches out there who have never played the game professionally or even collegiately. One example being Bill Belichick of the New England Patriots who only played QB in High School but yet he's one of the greatest coaches to ever coach the game. One dosn't need to be good or play at a high level to know the ins and outs of a game at a high level. TB has a wealth of knowledge and energy he brings to his commentary so I think you really need to rethink this "opinion" of yours you tout around as factual evidence cause it's clearly just wrong.
On June 05 2012 03:39 TheCupholder wrote: Hmm, all this talk about not being "aloud" to do stuff is dumb. We are all fans of esports and should be free to critique players and casters alike. However... you people should realize that negative comments about player or caster skill sound stupid, unless you are someone who ACTUALLY knows it better than the people you criticize. However (2) as a high level player I find it hard to listen to casters who don't know what they are talking about. Most people agree tastosis are/is the ultimate casting duo and this is because they try really hard and know the game inside and out from a player and caster POV. I think people who criticize TB and other, less informed casters, would have a bit less hate if the casters just spent some time learning the game better. Im not 100% sure but Wolf from GOM isn't high masters on korean server but he clearly has spent a lot of time ACTUALLY LEARNING the builds and understanding the game, this is why people like him. You don't have to be a pro but PLEASE show some respect for the viewers and learn!--- I know MLG isn't quite the level of GSL but they could do better- don't have people who know nothing "analyze" these games....
It's "allowed" by the way.
As long as the caster has a good voice, doesn't miss action and doesn't exhibit his lack of strategic knowledge, I'm fine. If a silver level player could catch everything that's happening on the map and makes a good play-by-play commentary, I don't see what's wrong.
..."Heh" well that is the issue, people who don't study the game don't understand the strategy and therefore make bad calls. By not missing the action do you mean exclaiming explosions when a thor shoots? I suspect you must be a ~silver legue player if you think they could understand gas timings and what is going to happen next...
On June 05 2012 03:39 TheCupholder wrote: Hmm, all this talk about not being "aloud" to do stuff is dumb. We are all fans of esports and should be free to critique players and casters alike. However... you people should realize that negative comments about player or caster skill sound stupid, unless you are someone who ACTUALLY knows it better than the people you criticize. However (2) as a high level player I find it hard to listen to casters who don't know what they are talking about. Most people agree tastosis are/is the ultimate casting duo and this is because they try really hard and know the game inside and out from a player and caster POV. I think people who criticize TB and other, less informed casters, would have a bit less hate if the casters just spent some time learning the game better. Im not 100% sure but Wolf from GOM isn't high masters on korean server but he clearly has spent a lot of time ACTUALLY LEARNING the builds and understanding the game, this is why people like him. You don't have to be a pro but PLEASE show some respect for the viewers and learn!--- I know MLG isn't quite the level of GSL but they could do better- don't have people who know nothing "analyze" these games....
It's "allowed" by the way.
As long as the caster has a good voice, doesn't miss action and doesn't exhibit his lack of strategic knowledge, I'm fine. If a silver level player could catch everything that's happening on the map and makes a good play-by-play commentary, I don't see what's wrong.
Yes, it's TotalBiscuit's theory on the matter, one that he's always prompt to defend whenever he's criticized by random people (like myself :D) on forums: the famous specialized "play-by-play commentator". I'm aware that conventional sports have since long adopted what TB dreams to be for SC2. But does Starcraft 2 really need that? Can't you do good play-by-play casting, as well as knowing a bit more that gold level stuff about the game? Well in fact I know you can, it's my humble opinion, but I think there are quite a few guys out there who have a better voice than TB, better play-by-play, and (obviously) way better analysis. It seems to me that TB almost prides himself in being just what he's supposedly meant to be and discards all the people who are the living proof that you can do it all (and better than him) if you're good enough and you put in the time and passion.
With that being said, it's not like TB didn't improve at all for the past year and a half, he used to say some pretty ridiculous things back then, but now the content of his commentary is decent (well, let's just say it gives an accurate picture of what is happening on our screen), and to my understanding, he's doing a whole lot of other things than SC2 so we might admit that he doesn't really have the time to get to diamond or something. But I can't help but think that there are probably better full SC2 casters out there who don't have TB's fandom to carry them through, and it's probably a waste.
tl;dr; Yes, you can have "roles" in SC2 casting, but a little knowledge doesn't hurt, whatever role you wish to assume.
Ya Zenith, I am in full agreement. my favourite example is someone like Grubby who has spent roughly 1% of the time casting that some others have but still does a 10X better job of it. Its because he knows the game!!!! BTW its not very hard to get to at least diamond, my theory on why so many people suck is that they change what they do that doesn't work... 100 APM masters FTW lol!!
On June 01 2012 00:15 Dingodile wrote: if I read Mr.Bitter in a caster lineup, oh yeah Bitterdam incoming <3 But Rotterdam isnt there...
His competing in the open bracket, bless his poor soul.
why bless his soul? He plays Protoss, he has a great chance of making it outta open brackets.
Anyway I am glad to see MLG is picking up some of the up and coming casting talent that is out there. I remember a few months ago Jorosar was a rather unknown caster, but now he's gotten quite a few fans. Also I think Axeltoss is a pretty good caster also. Not a fan of Kibblez so much. Then again I also didn't like Husky during the early MLG events but since then he's grown a lot, and maybe the same will happen w/ Kibblez.
Anyway I'll be there, and it should be an AWESOME weekend!
HAHA, i got the spring season ticket when it was announced, now for the summer one I think il wait till the caster line ups are released, their is no way I'm watching an arena without tastosis.... and with TB on analysis lol
Personally, I can't express how happy I am Day9 will miss this event... sorry if I am about to insult someone, but I just can't stand Day9, he basically "ruins" every tournament for me. Point is, you can't make everyone satisfied, there are bunch of awesome casters in line-up - more happiness less whining. :-)
On June 05 2012 05:18 whiterabbit wrote: Personally, I can't express how happy I am Day9 will miss this event... sorry if I am about to insult someone, but I just can't stand Day9, he basically "ruins" every tournament for me. Point is, you can't make everyone satisfied, there are bunch of awesome casters in line-up - more happiness less whining. :-)
Although i don't think he is the best (not even close), i do think he is a good caster. But i'm just courious, how come you don't like Day9?
he speaks in a very "matter of fact" way and constantly recycles the same few tips and pointers. Not that other casters don't, most are so busy trying to emulate him and tastosis, that they have no actual personality of their own. But its just getting old-
On June 05 2012 04:18 TheCupholder wrote: ..."Heh" well that is the issue, people who don't study the game don't understand the strategy and therefore make bad calls. By not missing the action do you mean exclaiming explosions when a thor shoots? I suspect you must be a ~silver legue player if you think they could understand gas timings and what is going to happen next...
It's called a play-by-play commentator. Ever heard of them? There's tonnes of them around. I think YOU need to educate yourself before you post in this forum.
lol...learn spelling "too" ? sorry spelling isn't my priority being a math major. Obviously I've heard of "play by play" commentators, its just that most professional commentators actually know the game AND can "play by play".
On June 05 2012 06:05 TheCupholder wrote: lol...learn spelling "too" ? sorry spelling isn't my priority being a math major. Obviously I've heard of "play by play" commentators, its just that most professional commentators actually know the game AND can "play by play".
Read the thread before commenting okay? Your point has been addressed several times over.
Why would you keep responding to me if this has already been discussed.... you seem like a person who just rolls back poor comebacks as you realize what you say is BS.
Heh.-I actually suggested that those casters who get hate due to lack of knowledge spend more time learning builds. Also that you don't have to be a pro player to be a pro caster if you do spend time learning about the game. I think these suggestions might alleviate the hate on people like TB. Do you do anything constructive with your life or just harass people with good points because they discredit angry internet users like you?
Im sad rotterdam + day9 aren't attending. But from what I've heard theres drama with day9 + rotterdam is busy practicicing since he got on ROOT so it makes sense.
On June 05 2012 08:50 TheCupholder wrote: Heh.-I actually suggested that those casters who get hate due to lack of knowledge spend more time learning builds. Also that you don't have to be a pro player to be a pro caster if you do spend time learning about the game. I think these suggestions might alleviate the hate on people like TB. Do you do anything constructive with your life or just harass people with good points because they discredit angry internet users like you?
Hmm...
On June 05 2012 04:18 TheCupholder wrote: ..."Heh" well that is the issue, people who don't study the game don't understand the strategy and therefore make bad calls. By not missing the action do you mean exclaiming explosions when a thor shoots? I suspect you must be a ~silver legue player if you think they could understand gas timings and what is going to happen next...
...you are a joke, selectively quoting me... ignoring my first post. I am no longer posting on this this thread due to internet rages like you. sensible people saw my post and will understand it. Enjoy life in bronze.
On June 05 2012 09:14 TheCupholder wrote: ...you are a joke, selectively quoting me... ignoring my first post. I am no longer posting on this this thread due to internet rages like you. sensible people saw my post and will understand it. Enjoy life in bronze.
Yeah if you lack debating skills, just call someone a bronze league player. I guess you could work on that. Oh wait, you're a "math major". That explains it.
I thought I was done, but this is getting stupid, are you denying what I am saying IE
On June 05 2012 03:39 TheCupholder wrote: Hmm, all this talk about not being "aloud" to do stuff is dumb. We are all fans of esports and should be free to critique players and casters alike. However... you people should realize that negative comments about player or caster skill sound stupid, unless you are someone who ACTUALLY knows it better than the people you criticize. However (2) as a high level player I find it hard to listen to casters who don't know what they are talking about. Most people agree tastosis are/is the ultimate casting duo and this is because they try really hard and know the game inside and out from a player and caster POV. I think people who criticize TB and other, less informed casters, would have a bit less hate if the casters just spent some time learning the game better. Im not 100% sure but Wolf from GOM isn't high masters on korean server but he clearly has spent a lot of time ACTUALLY LEARNING the builds and understanding the game, this is why people like him. You don't have to be a pro but PLEASE show some respect for the viewers and learn!--- I know MLG isn't quite the level of GSL but they could do better- don't have people who know nothing "analyze" these games....
? All you have replied was to ask whether I knew what play by play was and also dissing me and my spelling. I know my spelling sucks but if everyone complained about grammar on these threads things really wouldn't ever happen...
On June 01 2012 20:17 Shallot wrote: I am with many of you, I immediately mute the stream when I see that Rob Simpson is casting. I don't hate him or anything, but I just can not take anything he says regarding the games seriously. The fact is he makes blatantly incorrect analysis in most situations, and puts question mark inflections at the end of 75% of statements he makes. I'm glad that at least he is not confident in the ridiculous things he is saying... It is maddening to the point of my girlfriend actually yelling at me to mute the game from the other room when he begins talking.
I bought the spring pass, but I will not be buying the summer one if Rob is still casting in the same capacity as he has been lately. I love the way the streams are set up, and every other caster is awesome, including JP, who is catching a lot of flak for some reason.
I know this sounds mean, and I'm sure Rob is a nice guy and everything, but there must be something behind the scenes that he can do instead of casting games.
This is what you can do. Keep muting the stream or turn on another one. A lot of people like his casting. Quit whining.
Thanks for bringing absolutely nothing to the conversation. You could at least bring up a counter point instead of being an ass. There are tons of other people who agree with me if you take the time to read through the thread a bit.
On June 05 2012 03:39 TheCupholder wrote: Hmm, all this talk about not being "aloud" to do stuff is dumb. We are all fans of esports and should be free to critique players and casters alike. However... you people should realize that negative comments about player or caster skill sound stupid, unless you are someone who ACTUALLY knows it better than the people you criticize. However (2) as a high level player I find it hard to listen to casters who don't know what they are talking about. Most people agree tastosis are/is the ultimate casting duo and this is because they try really hard and know the game inside and out from a player and caster POV. I think people who criticize TB and other, less informed casters, would have a bit less hate if the casters just spent some time learning the game better. Im not 100% sure but Wolf from GOM isn't high masters on korean server but he clearly has spent a lot of time ACTUALLY LEARNING the builds and understanding the game, this is why people like him. You don't have to be a pro but PLEASE show some respect for the viewers and learn!--- I know MLG isn't quite the level of GSL but they could do better- don't have people who know nothing "analyze" these games....
? All you have replied was to ask whether I knew what play by play was and also dissing me and my spelling. I know my spelling sucks but if everyone complained about grammar on these threads things really wouldn't ever happen...
If you want to be taken serious you shouldn't stoop to the level of the same people you are getting annoyed with. Ending a sentence with "Enjoy life in bronze." is just asking to get flamed and you won't get any sympathy from it. Get off your high horse...
On June 09 2012 09:32 Mr Showtime wrote: Does Tasteless sound different to anyone else?
Yeah actually...he sounds more like he used to when he was casting BW. Maybe his voice is repairing himself loool. Or this is what he sounds like when he doesn't shout every day?
To bad day[9] took the rest of june off he's my favorite caster D: . But I like that the playhem casters are getting to cast some huge events to bad the streams don't feature them and only show the major caster looks like another reason for me to pay the 20$.
Yeah there is no MLG vs Day9 drama, he is just promoting HotS there, he can't do both and I think he is well compensated by Blizzard. Since he did so much casting in the last few weeks, I think it's a good thing for him not to be in the casting booth for once anyways. I rly like Sean and his dailys, but i don't miss him. I thought I would, but I don't. There are more than enough analytic casters in the Lineup and enough casters with good charisma.
I can't say if he misses that much in his casting since I am not a master league player. All I can say is that most of the time, he calls it wright. I'm sick of all the bronze league haters who just don't like his style or his way of doing stuff and keep on attacking him. He is a pillar of this community, who risked tons doing what he does now and making the daily and casting his full time job. It payed off, but it could have gone wrong too. You are all entitled to your opinion and to objective criticism, some of you do that and I understand you, but most of you just are haters so please keep all that stuff to yourself. You are just hurting a person you don't even know!
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