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Some people, myself included, aren't so much interested who is casting, because they are all great, but are more interested why Day 9 isn't there.
So does anyone know the reason? If so please update it on the main page.
Thanks.
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I'm sad Rotterdam isn't there. He would be such a great addition.
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On June 01 2012 15:41 Demorase wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote:On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote:
im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever. I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG. I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh.
No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim.
That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam.
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Is Rotterdam going to playing? 
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On June 01 2012 18:04 bLooD. wrote:
I'm sad Rotterdam isn't there. He would be such a great addition.
Seriously, this is just trolling at this point right?
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On June 01 2012 18:14 ggrrg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 15:41 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote:On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote:
im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever. I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG. I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh. No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim. That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam.
While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game?
He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel.
His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game.
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On June 01 2012 18:39 Demorase wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 18:14 ggrrg wrote:On June 01 2012 15:41 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote:On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote:
im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever. I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG. I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh. No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim. That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam. While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game? He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming a public persona as opposed to a pro-gamer during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him in SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel. His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game.
I never claimed that Day9 is the most knowledgeable caster. It's also true that he is not up-to-date with newest gimicks on the Korean ladder. However, when observing, his assessment of ingame situations is very good, which allows him to analyse games better than the vast majority of casters. Obvisouly Artosis has a superior knowledge, but Artosis is far and beyond every other caster in terms of dedication, interest and understanding. I've got to agree that Apollo also possesses a deep knowledge about sc2. I wouldn't say that Wolf fares any better than Day9 in terms of ingame analysis and I can't comment on HD, since the last time I've heard him cast was during the beta...
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Rotterdam said on his stream he might not be able to be at MLG because his visa expires
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On June 01 2012 19:00 ggrrg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 18:39 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 18:14 ggrrg wrote:On June 01 2012 15:41 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote:On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote:
im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever. I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG. I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh. No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim. That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam. While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game? He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming a public persona as opposed to a pro-gamer during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him in SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel. His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game. I never claimed that Day9 is the most knowledgeable caster. It's also true that he is not up-to-date with newest gimicks on the Korean ladder. However, when observing, his assessment of ingame situations is very good, which allows him to analyse games better than the vast majority of casters. Obvisouly Artosis has a superior knowledge, but Artosis is far and beyond every other caster in terms of dedication, interest and understanding. I've got to agree that Apollo also possesses a deep knowledge about sc2. I wouldn't say that Wolf fares any better than Day9 in terms of ingame analysis and I can't comment on HD, since the last time I've heard him cast was during the beta...
Well there aren't that many popular casters out there you know, Day9 is probably better in term of knowledge than DjWheat, TB, Rob, Husky and that's about it. I would hardly call that a "vast majority".
About Wolf, he might not be as well-spoken as Day9 but his knowledge is much deeper, he's aware of almost any trend in the meta-game, and he plays on the korean server at a decent level, just like Artosis.
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Personally i could do very well without rob simpson. For me he is just too polished, too suit-wearer and too much of "had never been a nerd, but sees the money in it now".
I still have the feeling that him being there is some kind of contract with blizzard like *they make the servers stable, but every mlg has to have him in their caster line-ups*
Where the heck did he come from and who thought it would be a good idea to have him in there?
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On June 01 2012 18:39 Demorase wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 18:14 ggrrg wrote:On June 01 2012 15:41 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote:On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote:
im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever. I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG. I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh. No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim. That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam. While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game? He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel. His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game.
You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is.
I don't need a caster to spoon feed the progress of a game. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too.
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On June 01 2012 19:33 Atropin wrote:
Personally i could do very well without rob simpson. For me he is just too polished, too suit-wearer and too much of "had never been a nerd, but sees the money in it now".
I still have the feeling that him being there is some kind of contract with blizzard like *they make the servers stable, but every mlg has to have him in their caster line-ups*
Where the heck did he come from and who thought it would be a good idea to have him in there?
This is one way of Blizzard showing their support for the scene in having Rob. They may not do much but they are a huge game developer with many teams working on multiple projects. Blizzard would not have hired him if he was not in any way qualified for on of their eSports positions.
Just some food for thought.
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On June 01 2012 06:52 MLG_Adam wrote:Can we stop arguing/speculating about why X is not here? We have THIRTEEN casters, plus Adebisi observing, Clutch hosting, & Hwanni/Smix translating. There is no drama or conspiracy. This is our line up. We have not had the same caster line up from one event to the next...ever. Day9 was not at Providence nor at any arena event this year. Husky has not been at an event in a long time. Change, variety, and schedule juggling is just the nature of this business. There is no reason to have an uproar over this. I understand if you like *insert caster here* and would like to see him/her cast, but please stop with the drama.
Well, you say *insert caster here* like day9 would be some random caster, but he's not, he's the best. I'm not arguing or speculating, you can simply tell us why he's not at MLG when the first matches of Korean pro players will be played outside of Korea No drama or anything else, i would just like to know.
Thanks !
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RotterdaM playing in the Finals.
Casted by MrBitter and DjWheat. =)
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On June 01 2012 19:41 Tyrant0 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 18:39 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 18:14 ggrrg wrote:On June 01 2012 15:41 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote:On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote:
im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever. I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG. I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh. No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim. That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam. While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game? He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel. His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game. You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is. I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too.
Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean.
And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point.
My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players.
I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother.
The issue Idra was talking about in that SotG about a year ago is what lead Blizzard to buff the overlord speed in the last patch btw, I guess even Blizz agreed with Idra after all
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On June 01 2012 18:04 Mirrikh wrote:
Some people, myself included, aren't so much interested who is casting, because they are all great, but are more interested why Day 9 isn't there.
So does anyone know the reason? If so please update it on the main page.
Thanks.
What? Why would someone uptdate the main page as to why someone is not going to be at the tournament the thread is talking about? Should we also update the main page to include why HD isn't there? Wolf? Khaldor? 2gd? Lebron James?
Day9 isn't a part of MLG, he isn't required to be there, why would anyone post the reasons of a random guy not showing up to an MLG event? What if Day9 hates MLG? What if he's getting his tooth pulled? Who cares, it changes nothing.
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On June 01 2012 19:54 Demorase wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 19:41 Tyrant0 wrote:On June 01 2012 18:39 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 18:14 ggrrg wrote:On June 01 2012 15:41 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote:On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote:
im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever. I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG. I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh. No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim. That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam. While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game? He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel. His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game. You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is. I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too. Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean. And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point. My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players. I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother.
Yesterday iNcontroL mentioned that Day9 has been laddering a lot lately is "frickin' good". his protoss in particular. We might not be able to talk down on his understanding of the game for much longer.
Source: http://www.twitch.tv/incontroltv/b/319981592?t=316m37s
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On June 01 2012 19:54 Demorase wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 19:41 Tyrant0 wrote:On June 01 2012 18:39 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 18:14 ggrrg wrote:On June 01 2012 15:41 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote:On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote:
im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever. I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG. I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh. No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim. That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam. While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game? He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel. His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game. You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is. I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too. Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean. And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point. My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players. I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother.
Theres random players in GM. Hes also claimed he has multiple smurfs, multiple races in GM. Either way, you put way too much weight on rating -- rating doesn't make or break your ability to cast. GM in NA isn't THAT big of a deal either. You aren't granted pro-esque insight into the sc2 meta game. You just have several solid build orders and good reads into opposing meta game builds to make proper decisions, with the execution/mechanics to back it. All of this requires extensive practice, which day9 (PROBABLY? im assuming of course, hope its not wrong) lacks. It's probably also why day9 doesn't talk about his rating (nor do I) as to not get bogged down by a marginal number attempting to inaccurately measure his skill when people such as your self define it as everything.
Your point about not having it all would mean the other more intelligent casters, at least, what I'm paraphrasing what you inferred, couldn't have it all either. Being a top player isn't only about knowing correct decisions/awareness of the metagame neither. But I guess thats what qualifies you to be a caster (all of which most 'analytical' casters ALREADY HAVE), so...
I remember that SotG too. I don't even remember what they were arguing about but that was around the era where IdrA complained about ZvP (as he always did) despite the massive 70-30 differential in winrates for months in pro games. It was two players colliding with opinions. IdrA chose to put himself out there (as he always does) on his opinion of zerg balance, REGARDLESS of whether it was right or wrong. Day9 chose to be politically correct and not get into a debate without evidence (which there really is none because it's too subjective, not even a year past then). Point really is, if you're basing your opinion of day9 on that episode, you probably don't understand the game that well either to even judge.
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On June 01 2012 20:06 ReturnStroke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 19:54 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 19:41 Tyrant0 wrote:On June 01 2012 18:39 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 18:14 ggrrg wrote:On June 01 2012 15:41 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote:On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote:
im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever. I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG. I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh. No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim. That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam. While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game? He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel. His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game. You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is. I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too. Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean. And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point. My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players. I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother. Yesterday iNcontroL mentioned that Day9 has been laddering a lot lately is "frickin' good". his protoss in particular. We might not be able to talk down on his understanding of the game for much longer. Source: http://www.twitch.tv/incontroltv/b/319981592 ~5:16:40 into video.
I stand corrected then thank you for the link very informative , it's great to hear he's dedicating more time into playing at high level than I originally (mistakenly) thought.
On June 01 2012 20:08 Tyrant0 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 19:54 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 19:41 Tyrant0 wrote:On June 01 2012 18:39 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 18:14 ggrrg wrote:On June 01 2012 15:41 Demorase wrote:On June 01 2012 15:34 BobLobIaw wrote:On June 01 2012 15:21 sertas wrote:
im not gonna miss day9 its nice to have a tournament without his massive ego. This is gonna be the best tournament ever. I'd rather have his massive ego then the massive amount of bs/crap that lesser casters give us, which is 90% of the casters attending this MLG. The only regret that I have is ever having donated/paid for MLG. I don't find Day9 particularly more insightful or bs-free than the "lesser casters". Guess it's just personal preference huh. No, it isn't. Enjoying his sense of humour or his way of talking would be about personal preference. His superior understanding of the game in comparison to the vast majority of casters is a fact, as is his insightful casting. Not to mention that Day[9] is an iconic figure in sc2/bw. There is a reason why people are upset that he isn't going to be at Anaheim. That being said, the MLG caster lineup is extremely solid and i'm sure that it's going to be a great event. I'm particularly happy with Artosis and Apollo. The only notable name besides Day[9] that's missing in the list is Rotterdam. While Day9 was a formidable player during BW, this is a different era. When was the last time he played on the ladder at high level in SC2, when was the last time he played on the korean server to update himself on the current meta-game? He approached SC2 with the goal of becoming an entertainer as opposed to a pro-gamer like during BW, the trade-off is that his understanding of how the game is played is comparatively much weaker, take Apollo, Artosis, Wolf, HD, all of them are arguably much more knowledgeable than him about SC2. Day9's credibility currently relies entirely on his past BW experience I feel. His fans are upset he won't be there because he's become so popular and loved, it has nothing to do with him having a supposedly superior knowledge of the game. You say "different" era almost as if to imply he isn't familiar with SC2 in the least. He's plays in GM/high masters apparently, which is a LOT more than MOST casters can even claim. Even if he doesn't (which he does, or at least claims/hinted at various times), why does it even matter? You put so much weight on his rating and discredit everything else entirely without taking into account other variables; such as the fact hes a caster and doesn't have as much time to play thousands of games like a pro player does. There are a ton -- if not the majority of GM players who aren't nor never will be as intelligent in sc2 as day9 is. I don't need a caster to spoon feed the build a player is executing. I also don't feel the need to talk about how amazing a caster is because he correctly predicted the build a player was going 3 minutes in. Day9 fills a much more required niche of making the games engaging and entertaining. There is a distinct difference in how he approaches casting and analyzing. It's rather sad how much you discredit him simply over watching the former. It's fairly arrogant, too. Day9 plays random as far as I know, I highly doubt he would be GM as a random player but if you have sources to support your claim then by all mean. And of course he's not gonna have as much time to play now, his career is completely different than what it was when he was a pro-gamer, that's not my point. My point is that you can't have it all, Day9 is not what he used to be in BW like a lot of his fans seem to think, he's a great caster but he's not any more knowledgeable than some other top casters and certainly not more knowledgeable than the top players. I remember a State of the game episode when Idra and him were arguing about the game, and Idra was bringing some very very specific issues and Day9 was completely unable to respond, he just dodged the question saying "I need to examine it". Everyone present during that SotG also disagreed with Day9 including his brother. I remember that SotG too. I don't even remember what they were arguing about but that was around the era where IdrA complained about ZvP (as he always did) despite the massive 70-30 differential in winrates for months in pro games. It was two players colliding with opinions. IdrA chose to put himself out there (as he always does) on his opinion of zerg balance, REGARDLESS of whether it was right or wrong. Day9 chose to be politically correct and not get into a debate without evidence (which there really is none because it's too subjective, not even a year past then). Point really is, if you're basing your opinion of day9 on that episode, you probably don't understand the game that well either to even judge.
They were arguing about how zerg had trouble scouting early on, which ultimately lead to Blizz buffing the overlord speed just now in the last patch. I guess time gave reason to Idra on that one
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