EPTPeople saying GSL's style is messy and all that jazz haven't watched enough to speak without bias. Legend is brilliant. Both styles are great, but I really do prefer having those "useless bars" pop up every now and then.
Observer style? Which type do you prefer for SC2? - Page 4
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
People saying GSL's style is messy and all that jazz haven't watched enough to speak without bias. Legend is brilliant. Both styles are great, but I really do prefer having those "useless bars" pop up every now and then. | ||
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
Edit.: Is just a personal preference, i like the gsl obs too, just prefer the kespa classic. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On May 21 2012 13:27 zefreak wrote: Yeah, thats a totally objective and unbiased assessment.. Not only that but it's 100% wrong lol. GSL has plenty of zooms. Most casters have made comments/jokes about it, Legend is so amazing at getting zoom shots like the Nukes going off etc. | ||
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fraktoasters
United States617 Posts
On May 21 2012 13:35 mrtomjones wrote: Not only that but it's 100% wrong lol. GSL has plenty of zooms. Most casters have made comments/jokes about it, Legend is so amazing at getting zoom shots like the Nukes going off etc. I think he means the zooms into the player's faces. Can you zoom in BW? Anyways, the only time anyone does anything interesting is at the moments before they GG, showing their faces before really adds nothing. | ||
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Hokay
United States738 Posts
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On May 21 2012 13:46 Hokay wrote: ST_Legend needs to stop zooming in on units during battles. I hate that and it feel like it kinda ruins those OH SHIT moments... like baneling landmines and archon toilets. The baneling landmine zooms are the best things ever, Legend turns them into works of art. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On May 21 2012 13:49 zefreak wrote: The baneling landmine zooms are the best things ever, Legend turns them into works of art. Yah I have never felt like I missed a thing because of them. They enhance it. He doesn't do it in big battles... I think they should have split screen face shots at certain moments so you can watch battles and faces if they are showing emotion. But, on topic.. Legend is amazing and shouldnt change a thing :D | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
1. I'm speaking more about "style" rather than "did they catch everything." I do feel I see everything with both GSL and OGN casts. But they're different. The most obvious one being that Legend likes to use production tabs to give the info, while OGN would actually click on things themselves. To give an example, OGN ob would actually go through which barracks have the tech lab add-on and click on the EBay upgrading. This obviously is not necessary in the sense that they HAVE to click on them. But rather it puts the emphasis on such things to the viewer. I personally prefer this. But obviously for some this may feel redundant or take away from watching other things. And yes, sometimes the OGN observer will purposely hide certain things to give an air of suspense in BW. I didn't notice much in the SC2 casts, but if some of you thought that. It probably was by design. 2. OGN style, which of course came from the old BW style of observing, cuts very fast. You see something, and 2 seconds later you see something else. There's constant switching among bases and armies. For those who never watched BW, this was actually necessary, because there are no tabs for BW and the observer has to catch everything. The downside of course is that you may not be able to keep up with the observer or simply prefer a slower style. Perhaps it's because I'm so used to American TV/cinema(very fast cutting of scenes, different POVs). But the slower pace of GSL, and even moreso foreign tournaments, make the game seem slower. Again, this is more a personal preference. 3. As others have also pointed out, the resolution and 4:3 ratio is more for TV and the low resolution of BW games. It's very possible this gets changed once Kespa switches to SC2 full-time. 4. And lastly, I am asking about PERSONAL PREFERENCE. We all have our own preferences. I don't want it to be about A is better than B, because top observers do catch most everything. | ||
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yeastiality
Canada374 Posts
As a side note, I really want the people who cast/spectate to take half an hour and memorize all the hotkeys for the tabs in the replay UI. It's so obvious all the time when casters want the observer to show a certain tab but it just doesn't happen.. SC2 has a different spectator UI than BW, and using it to its full effect is something I don't think we've seen yet. Another thing is the level of play - SC2 is still a young game and it's still very prone to 'army vs army' clashes being the only thing observed. When people like Gumiho incorporate an insane amount of multitasking, observers can follow the different parts of it, but how often do we see people do more than a 2-prong medivac drop or some burrowed infestors split away from their main army? It doesn't take long to show some infested terrans getting puked at a hatchery, or a DT waypointing across some drones, and those things happen infrequently too. | ||
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Anktious
United States190 Posts
On May 21 2012 13:30 Kluey wrote: The Kespa face zoom when someone big happens to me is amazing. It links the game with real world and makes it look like a sport. It's brilliant. YES!! THIS EXACTLY!! I always loved watching BW especially during those critical moments when crazy stuff was going on that would make the players display some form of emotion (ggaemo, anyone?). That and when they switch to the fpview of a player showing his mouse clicks and which hotkeys they're using and for what. The sc2 version of the fpview isn't as great as the real fpview has been for BW :/ Not trying to turn it into another SC2 vs BW argument, just mentioning the few things that sc2 event producers could improve upon. | ||
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Battousai13
United States638 Posts
I really can't say which is better right now though. Proleague has barely had time to get used to observing in SC2. It is a horizontal transition, but the little details still need to be worked out. This poll is better saved until the second season of Proleague, when they've had time to reflect on their own performance and viewer feedback. | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
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Jepsyn
Canada364 Posts
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
On May 21 2012 13:56 baubo wrote: A few thoughts that may not have come across in the OP. So that I can clear things up. 1. I'm speaking more about "style" rather than "did they catch everything." I do feel I see everything with both GSL and OGN casts. But they're different. The most obvious one being that Legend likes to use production tabs to give the info, while OGN would actually click on things themselves. To give an example, OGN ob would actually go through which barracks have the tech lab add-on and click on the EBay upgrading. This obviously is not necessary in the sense that they HAVE to click on them. But rather it puts the emphasis on such things to the viewer. I personally prefer this. But obviously for some this may feel redundant or take away from watching other things. And yes, sometimes the OGN observer will purposely hide certain things to give an air of suspense in BW. I didn't notice much in the SC2 casts, but if some of you thought that. It probably was by design. 2. OGN style, which of course came from the old BW style of observing, cuts very fast. You see something, and 2 seconds later you see something else. There's constant switching among bases and armies. For those who never watched BW, this was actually necessary, because there are no tabs for BW and the observer has to catch everything. The downside of course is that you may not be able to keep up with the observer or simply prefer a slower style. Perhaps it's because I'm so used to American TV/cinema(very fast cutting of scenes, different POVs). But the slower pace of GSL, and even moreso foreign tournaments, make the game seem slower. Again, this is more a personal preference. 3. As others have also pointed out, the resolution and 4:3 ratio is more for TV and the low resolution of BW games. It's very possible this gets changed once Kespa switches to SC2 full-time. 4. And lastly, I am asking about PERSONAL PREFERENCE. We all have our own preferences. I don't want it to be about A is better than B, because top observers do catch most everything. My only real issue with this is that GSL observers do click on things upgrading, or spells that have been researched for a specific unit. The production tabs may be there, yes, but Legend in particular makes sure to point things out with the mouse in case the people watching didn't quite catch it in the production tab. Other than that though I haven't watched enough of OGN style observing to really comment on fast paced cuts, I may actually prefer that I can't really say.  But at the moment I'd vote for GSL style just because I enjoy the production tabs and the units killed bars etc. | ||
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
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jubil
United States2602 Posts
I like them all ^_^ | ||
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Sea_Food
Finland1612 Posts
Anyway, I love to actually understand what is going on in the game real time so i can make predictions of who is gona win with out "hurr durr 34 spines on the way but I didt know cos no production tab." Also plaer face zooms dont help. I know that in none of the sports i watch, they never zoom into anyones face when there is still axtion going on. | ||
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rift
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Sea_Food
Finland1612 Posts
On May 21 2012 14:14 Anktious wrote: YES!! THIS EXACTLY!! I always loved watching BW especially during those critical moments when crazy stuff was going on that would make the players display some form of emotion (ggaemo, anyone?). That and when they switch to the fpview of a player showing his mouse clicks and which hotkeys they're using and for what. The sc2 version of the fpview isn't as great as the real fpview has been for BW :/ Not trying tLast mlg arena the real fpv was used kinda nicely.o turn it into another SC2 vs BW argument, just mentioning the few things that sc2 event producers could improve upon. edit fuck typing with phone. | ||
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