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Wrongspeedy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1655 Posts
May 10 2012 16:50 GMT
#961
Nowish
It is better to be a human dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied.- John Stuart Mill
nootropics
Profile Joined December 2010
20 Posts
May 10 2012 16:50 GMT
#962
yeah changes incoming
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
May 10 2012 16:51 GMT
#963
On May 11 2012 01:40 treekiller wrote:
I have not noticed any difference so far and I play terran. My helions are just as strong, you just have to elevator them.. It kindof sucks that i cant go cloak shees any more, but it wasnt that good anyways.


what does banshees have to do with anything here? Only the anti-ground range was changes, anti-air is the same.
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pak150
Profile Joined September 2010
United States531 Posts
May 10 2012 16:52 GMT
#964
Following the patch, can an overlord outrun a queen off creep?
myRZeth
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1047 Posts
May 10 2012 16:52 GMT
#965
bnet just logged me out after finishing my game, changes are on their way
lamiller
Profile Joined September 2011
United States92 Posts
May 10 2012 16:53 GMT
#966
On May 11 2012 01:52 pak150 wrote:
Following the patch, can an overlord outrun a queen off creep?


It would be a footrace that I would love to see ^_^
blinken
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada368 Posts
May 10 2012 16:54 GMT
#967
Hm, I wonder what constitutes a "brief" maintenance period...
mataxp
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Chile538 Posts
May 10 2012 16:55 GMT
#968
On May 11 2012 01:53 lamiller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 01:52 pak150 wrote:
Following the patch, can an overlord outrun a queen off creep?


It would be a footrace that I would love to see ^_^


No, queen kills it anyway.
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
May 10 2012 16:56 GMT
#969
Thank god I chose not to hit that queue button lol. Hmm queen range will be interesting.
Anomi
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden149 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-10 16:58:51
May 10 2012 16:58 GMT
#970
Range buff on queen is pretty logical. Blizzard want to increase the early game defenses for zerg. Increase range on queens gives zerg a range unit that can be used defensively without teching early game.
As queen are only effective on creep the range buff on the queen makes perfect sense if u want to increase the defense early game without making big changes. Combined with the overload change the early game of zerg might be more stable.
Even pros like DRG complain that it’s hard to be consistent with zerg compared to other races since they lack to much defense early game.


There might be different changes that could have been done to address this problem but these same to be small enough to make difference early game without affecting the game to much overall. Also blizzards don’t do these kind of changes without waiting couple of months and observing the game. Blizzard have always said they prefer to make small tweeks instead of big changes because how sensitive the game balance it. So these changes are perfectly inline with how they balance the game.


In the end we do have a more balanced game then we did have when sc2 started off . So I don’t see how people can’t complaint that blizzard doesn’t know what they are doing when they clearly seem to be doing something right. They have proven time and time to game that they do listen o community even if they are slow at responding. So worst case scenario they might just remove the queen buff if it shows to be game breaking. At least I believe they deserve some trust of how they been able to handle the game since the release.




Wrongspeedy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1655 Posts
May 10 2012 16:58 GMT
#971
On May 11 2012 01:56 EtherealDeath wrote:
Thank god I chose not to hit that queue button lol. Hmm queen range will be interesting.


I think they try and let you finish your game. I was in a pvp when achievements got disabled, but it let us finish the game before it logged us out.
It is better to be a human dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied.- John Stuart Mill
DaRKMaTT3r
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil553 Posts
May 10 2012 16:59 GMT
#972
On May 11 2012 01:52 Tassadarstarcraft2 wrote:
bnet just logged me out after finishing my game, changes are on their way


Was laddering an overlord entered my base and i was thinking "So god damn fast they are now!" and then B.net shuts down to apply the changes! =D Power of imagination!
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
May 10 2012 16:59 GMT
#973
I am sad because queen range buff is a direct nerf to the hellion marine opening I do literally every TvZ.
However I am happy because I also play zerg and it's a direct nerf to the hellion opening everyone does in TvZ :D
Mystgun
Profile Joined September 2010
Hong Kong311 Posts
May 10 2012 17:00 GMT
#974
As a Protoss player I am actually not that in favor of the obs change. It makes DTs in PvP less useful and arguably ruins a viable build in a match-up that doesn't have very many. A single DT used to be able to destroy a robotics facility before an obs can come out if there was no chrono, but now it'll take 2 dts regardless of chrono or not...
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
May 10 2012 17:01 GMT
#975
US server down!!
CHANGE HAS COME!
moo...for DRG
kyserbro
Profile Joined May 2012
3 Posts
May 10 2012 17:03 GMT
#976
If Zerg gets these game changing buffs then I want Reaper speed before fact, earlier stim and rax build time, old blue flame damage and bunker salvage at 100 minerals back. Oh and marine range because now the queen has the same range as marines now. I really REALLY hate whining about balance but I think Zerg is imba and the game is now broken. Zerg is better than both Terran and Protoss ever since the infestor buff. Zerg is also the easiest race to play macro and micro wise.

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Ecliptium
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada147 Posts
May 10 2012 17:03 GMT
#977
I'm scared to log back in and play TvZ now. Eeeek! Guess we'll have to see how this plays out...
Wrongspeedy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1655 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-10 17:05:30
May 10 2012 17:04 GMT
#978
On May 11 2012 02:00 Mystgun wrote:
As a Protoss player I am actually not that in favor of the obs change. It makes DTs in PvP less useful and arguably ruins a viable build in a match-up that doesn't have very many. A single DT used to be able to destroy a robotics facility before an obs can come out if there was no chrono, but now it'll take 2 dts regardless of chrono or not...


DT's are viable in every MU vs players taking certain risks or playing certain styles. They may not be the best unit, but they can win games outright. Great against players cutting corners, which happens a lot when your not a Pro. Hell even Pro Terrans besides MVP don't build turrets as much as they should, and even he only usually puts one at the entrance to his natural (which would expose him to a DT drop pretty bad if he moved out with his army).

Edit: I misunderstood your post. But I think that PvP is opening up quiet a bit as of late o.o
It is better to be a human dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied.- John Stuart Mill
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
May 10 2012 17:06 GMT
#979
On May 11 2012 01:39 Font wrote:
I dont know where there is such a huge discussion about this. I dont even play starcraft 2 and I can see exacly why they did this. Think of a 2 rax opening/bunker rush

This costs nothing to terran, they will bring back the racks and salvage the bunker. Terrran is guaranteed to do damage to zerg`s economy with that opening wether its the zerg pulling drones or you getting the hatchery. By making the range bigger for queens it makes it easier for them to stop that bunker from getting up or those marines just killing you straight up.

Starcraft isnt a game meant to end in 5 mins but mid to late game.


Terran is not guaranteed to kill even a single drone with a 2rax.

If the 2rax does not kill a single drone you can view the Terran behind in the sense they cannot contain creep like hellions would.
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-10 17:11:55
May 10 2012 17:11 GMT
#980
The only bad thing about the changes is that once they are done I no longer have time to camp out in this thread.
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