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[Part 3] Matchmaking Changes - Page 5

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mell0w
Profile Joined September 2010
United States102 Posts
April 24 2012 09:39 GMT
#81
dont wanna sound mean, but you losing a game to someone much lower than you who "just 4gated" is probably a good impact of this change. if anything consider it a way to fine tune your play


^exactly, people complaining about losing to cheese and getting -20 from a lower rated opponent need to brush up their play. There is absolutely no excuse for losing to cheese. Learn to deal with it


Incredibly moot points; even pros lose to cheese. Refinement would be better done with an equally matched opponent who would follow through with a similar tempo to yours after a cheese opening instead of just GG'ing out if it didn't work, or not waste your time by spending another 10 minutes playing out a game you know you already won.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
April 24 2012 09:40 GMT
#82
even the idea is good, winning 2 points for a win and loosing 30 is so BAD ...
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Rizzlla
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom4 Posts
April 24 2012 09:41 GMT
#83
LOL beat a platinum and then lost to a silver as mid-gold. I quite like the changes, more variety in MUs
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
April 24 2012 09:55 GMT
#84
On April 24 2012 18:35 DarKcS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 10:40 felisconcolori wrote:
I dunno. I've been playing bronze, bronze, silver, gold, repeat the past two days.

I'm not quite sure what exactly is going on with the matchmaking system, but I would like to get off this rollercoaster =)

(I'm Silver.)


Bronze is free points. Be glad.


Free points that take too damn long to get, and show me nothing except that someone thinks that rushing to a BC will stop 3/3 Marines. Or that late game mass-thor transition will do the same off of 3 base while I've got 6 bases and enough rax to pump 20-30 marines at a time.

Yeah, sure, it feels nice to play a game where I can pretend I'm MKP, but that stops when I get a gold 4gate to the face in the next game. And there's absolutely no way to know whether this next game will be normal, a joke (for me), or a joke (for my opponent). Spanking bronze players also doesn't do a whole lot for improvement, and it can start upsetting any ladder confidence. (Ohnoohnoohno I just played 3 bronzes AM I GETTING DEMOTED?!?!? oh wait there's a Plat... wat?!)
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Entteri
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland108 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 10:05:02
April 24 2012 10:03 GMT
#85
This is so weird. Even after the change was reverted I've felt like theres a lot more uneven matches. Now with this change it's prolly going to be totally crazy again. I guess that the "Players should find that a larger proportion of their matches are against opponents of similar skill" part didnt quite come true, just like it didn't on the first try
Kamelixs
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden88 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 10:08:20
April 24 2012 10:07 GMT
#86
They said it was reverted, but I have to agree with others. After they announced it some time ago, my matchmaking have been more off than ever. Being in plat; If I won a game, i faced a diamond, if I lost to that player I got a mid gold.Beting that player easily, I once again got a diamond opponent. Not fun at all, and it went on for 10 games that day.

Hopefully this will change something
VidyaYuropa
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
87 Posts
April 24 2012 10:43 GMT
#87
i wish blizzard didnt announce this, but changed it secretly, so people would not complain constantly about stuff they dont know.
Do you know the Matchmaking algorithm? Can you exactly say WHY you got this opponent?
What if the diamond you hit as a plat yesterday was on a losing streak the day before and his mmr was kind of smiliar to yours? You cant tell, because you DONT SEE THE MMR.
The same shit happened from season 1 to now. Ive played my fair share of games this season (about 150) and I havent felt jackshit happening.
Seriously, people take this only as a excuse for losses.
I can understand why it fucked up at GM and Bronze level, but everyone else is just overreacting as usual.
Just because you sit in Diamond doesnt mean you'll always play diamonds. You will hit people in YOUR MMR RANGE. If some diamond player start a new account in bronze, he will skyrocket the MMR so hard, that he will still be in silver and hit platinums. To people complaining that they lose to many points when they lose to a bronzie as golds or something. Actually you should not lose. If you lose to bronzies and with that a lot of points, you should really think about why you lost to such bad players. And if you get bronzies all the times, maybe there is a demotion incoming.
The Change Blizzard introduced will give you a better/worse opponent fomr TIME TO TIME. If you hit gold diamond gold diamond in a row, the probability is high, that those people have a similair MMR.
Stop complaining and fix your play, so you can stop complaining on a forum that you lost 20 points to a worse player (deservingly).

I welcome this change, should make promotions happen faster.
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chuDr3t4
Profile Joined April 2010
Russian Federation484 Posts
April 24 2012 11:06 GMT
#88
On April 24 2012 19:43 WizardofGGG wrote:
I welcome this change, should make promotions happen faster.

Can't agree more.
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Kamelixs
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden88 Posts
April 24 2012 11:07 GMT
#89
If you hit gold diamond gold diamond in a row, the probability is high, that those people have a similair MMR.
Stop complaining and fix your play, so you can stop complaining on a forum that you lost 20 points to a worse player (deservingly).


The thing is that I checked their profiles afterwards to see their stats, and most of them were actually in their respective league in terms of wins against other players. I know perfectly that people can be above or beyond their league in terms of MMR, but the ones I was facing were certainly not.

To me theres nothing really wrong with this system regarding losing and gaining points etc (since it doesnt affect me that much), but I personally don't find it fun playing people way better or lesser skilled than me. I prefer an even match any time, rather than constantly switching of the opponents skill level just because of a loss or a win.
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
April 24 2012 11:12 GMT
#90
On April 24 2012 18:40 CoR wrote:
even the idea is good, winning 2 points for a win and loosing 30 is so BAD ...


Yeah I am pretty uncomfortable with the many games where I've been favoured recently. I just hate, hate meeting a protoss where I'm favoured, as I know he'll have a shot better than the stats give him. I could prolly win every tvt without exceptions (and it's my weak MU) at that skill level, but those mass timing pushes from P can make any point whore tremble.
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4544 Posts
April 24 2012 11:23 GMT
#91
This whole week I have only had 1 'even match', in all other games someone is slightly favoured.
Does this update mean it will get even worse?

I really don't like it. Losing 18 points to a 2base colossus timing by a top 50 master is rather demotivating, especially since I'm a top 50 master myself, i don't understand why I was favoured in the first place.
Blindo
Profile Joined November 2010
United States102 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 11:32:33
April 24 2012 11:30 GMT
#92
As someone who can't play that many ladder matches, it's really annoying when you keep getting +3/-20 diamonds. I cringe every time I see that I'm favored and playing against another terran because I know it's going to take a while to get those 3 ladder points. Cheese is annoying too in 3/-20 games. It hardly ever works, but it's annoying to lose an entire night's worth of laddering with one micro mistake. I don't mind -6/+18 or -18/+6 games, but anything less than 6 points is pretty annoying. I wish at least 50% of my games where between 10 and 14 points for wins/losses. And then maybe the other 50% could be 6-18.

I feel like most of the people who support this are just lower league players who think this will meen they get promoted.
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Stiluz
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway688 Posts
April 24 2012 11:34 GMT
#93
On April 24 2012 20:30 Blindo wrote:
I feel like most of the people who support this are just lower league players who think this will meen they get promoted.


Exactly what I was thinking.
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
April 24 2012 11:38 GMT
#94
On April 24 2012 20:23 Laurens wrote:
This whole week I have only had 1 'even match', in all other games someone is slightly favoured.
Does this update mean it will get even worse?

I really don't like it. Losing 18 points to a 2base colossus timing by a top 50 master is rather demotivating, especially since I'm a top 50 master myself, i don't understand why I was favoured in the first place.


How many games have you played since the reset?
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
Ballack
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway821 Posts
April 24 2012 11:42 GMT
#95
I like part 3 better than any other, it was fun getting matched up with a master league player.
Just when I thought I was out, Blizz pulled me back in..
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
April 24 2012 11:43 GMT
#96
It says the very top will still search for better opponents still, how does this affects me as a high master already facing GM players? Will this mean I will not be able to face the highest top and instead face people at mid-master perhaps?
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roym899
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany426 Posts
April 24 2012 11:43 GMT
#97
As a Diamond player I like the changes. It's always nice to gain confidence by getting an easy win over someone who is 1 league under you or getting the chance to learn something new even when you clearly lose against someone a league higher.

btw.: what's your problem guys? You will get better and worse opponents so you won't get demoted or promoted to early because of this system change. It's a chance for you and adds variety into ladderplay.
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4544 Posts
April 24 2012 11:45 GMT
#98
On April 24 2012 20:38 EmilA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 20:23 Laurens wrote:
This whole week I have only had 1 'even match', in all other games someone is slightly favoured.
Does this update mean it will get even worse?

I really don't like it. Losing 18 points to a 2base colossus timing by a top 50 master is rather demotivating, especially since I'm a top 50 master myself, i don't understand why I was favoured in the first place.


How many games have you played since the reset?


if the reset happened today on EU, 3. 1 time the opponent was slightly favoured, 2 times it was me
Vetrocide
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway600 Posts
April 24 2012 11:53 GMT
#99
im mid to high master league, I'm playing either top 8 masters or rank 50 diamonds. Which basically means theres no point in playing ladder lol I'm better off playing against teammates of similar skill than playing a rank 1 master, then next game is rank 50 diamond
The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal
Mrvoodoochild1
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1439 Posts
April 24 2012 11:54 GMT
#100
Lost to a guy in masters, then played three consecutive mid platinum players. Doesn't make sense.
"let your freak flag fly"
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