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Xyik
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada728 Posts
April 19 2012 21:28 GMT
#81
There are a lot of ways to survive rushes, even if they have 2x the units. Let's not forget that starcraft is about adapting, sure the two high master players would win most of the team, but given a slight slip-up and the pro will win for sure. Some of it depends on the race and match-ups. For example, it would a lot harder for a zerg player to stop 2 4gates and come out on top than a terran or protoss.
CruiseR
Profile Joined November 2004
Poland4014 Posts
April 19 2012 21:28 GMT
#82
On April 20 2012 06:25 blagoonga123 wrote:
Do you guys think someone like DRG could beat 2 High Masters if he started with 2 bases? (Like if his partner had just left the game or whatever)

Probably, right?



lol he doesn't have to be DRG, happens so often in 2v2 games, a high master with 2 bases can easily beat 2 high master players
CruiseR
Profile Joined November 2004
Poland4014 Posts
April 19 2012 21:30 GMT
#83
On April 20 2012 06:27 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 06:25 blagoonga123 wrote:
Do you guys think someone like DRG could beat 2 High Masters if he started with 2 bases? (Like if his partner had just left the game or whatever)

Probably, right?


I think he would be like a 10-90 dog as high masters are pretty good.
Vs low masters he would probably be around 50-50 though.


what? DRG with 2 bases vs 2 high masters would be like 80-20 favorite instead of 10-90 dog lol
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10329 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 21:31:41
April 19 2012 21:30 GMT
#84
No because you won't be able to defend 2 cheeses or 2 all-ins. Anyone who knows a decent bit of game sense should know that.

You need to define "know much". To me, that means Masters. But really, all 2 bronze players need to do is do a double rush.
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Mesha
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Bosnia-Herzegovina439 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 21:33:47
April 19 2012 21:31 GMT
#85
Two bronze players could beat any pro on planet earth after 2 days training explaining them all the possibilities they can do.
edit: by 2 days i mean 15 seconds,
Reality hits you hard bro.
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
April 19 2012 21:34 GMT
#86
On April 20 2012 06:31 Mesha wrote:
Two bronze players could beat any pro on planet earth after 2 days training explaining them all the possibilities they can do.
edit: by 2 days i mean 15 seconds,

pick terran, A move all workers?
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GGOPikachu
Profile Joined August 2011
33 Posts
April 19 2012 21:36 GMT
#87
No way a pro can beat two master players.
There's no way they can hold any decent type of rush, I'd definately put money on the two masters.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 21:40:56
April 19 2012 21:38 GMT
#88
i dont know about sc2...

aside from difference in UI usage skill between pro vs average in bw and sc2, i think defending with the least amount of resources is much higher in bw than sc2 for many reasons. because thats pretty much what the pro would have to do before he can macro enough to support a econ to do a efficient 1v2.

before having the chance to cripple one player or macro enough to sufficiently fight two players, he would have to survive the initial push and survive it barely with the minimal resources spent on defending, this is just much harder to achieve with sc2 unless the opposing player is stupid.
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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 19 2012 21:38 GMT
#89
a pro player cant beat two decent players in 1v2. the game is too forgiving to novices.
CreatureSC2
Profile Joined July 2010
United States156 Posts
April 19 2012 21:45 GMT
#90
Myself and another master player did a NR 10 min 2v1 vs vileillusion a couple months ago. We got completely destroyed. He just picked us apart with his drops and crazy apm.
j3cht
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States86 Posts
April 19 2012 21:53 GMT
#91
On April 20 2012 05:32 Demonhunter04 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 05:29 Zorgaz wrote:
On April 20 2012 05:18 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On April 20 2012 05:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
On April 20 2012 04:51 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On April 20 2012 04:51 StavrosHL wrote:
lol , why getting tired of thinking so much instead of make that simple assumption : 2x worker rushes ( especially pp or zz ) will insta win the game no matter what lvl the opponent is.


Not true. HuK has held a double worker rush vs two master's league players. I think it was on TL Attack.


Two "master level" players, yeah. Masters in 2v2 does not equal masters in 1v1.

Hell, I know people in 1v1 bronze and in teamleagues they'd be platinum/diamond.


One was mid master 1v1, other was top master 1v1.


If the map is so large that he can get out as many workers as the worker rushers have when they arrive (12) i guess it's possible. No way he can beat two Master league players workers with a lower amount of workers!?

Those guys don't deserve masters if he can anyway ^^


Watch the VOD. It was played on Twilight Fortress. HuK had fewer workers than his opponents (both Protoss if I remember correctly).


Here is the vod, skip to 44 minutes in...
Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.
Kaguro
Profile Joined April 2011
United States14 Posts
April 19 2012 21:59 GMT
#92
NesTea did this before the PPV MLG before as somebody had mentioned on an earlier page. Didn't know opponent levels, but he got crushed.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
April 19 2012 22:00 GMT
#93
On April 20 2012 04:06 jazzyjazz wrote:
There was this "bet" on a thread on TL 1.5 years ago when SC2 just released. This forum-member called CheAse, he was high diamond at the time (I don't think masters league was invented yet, w/e) and he was challenged by 2 of his classmates who were both in gold-league (in 2v2). There was a $100 bet on the line, the thread/hype amounted to 100+ pages and the games were even live-casted by several casters.

So 1 high-diamond (prob a high masters now) vs 2 gold-leaguers and it was a bo5 (or bo7 lol). And CheAse won by a score of 3-1 I think. He lost the first game b/c he tried to macro up but the 2 gold-leaguers just all-inned him. But afterwards, CheAse went for harass as well and that really threw the scrubs off their game and he managed to win the series.

But the 2 guys he faced were BAD, like, one of the dudes built-a-PF-at-their-main-BAD.

edit: found the thread of the "grudgematch"

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157860

Oh man, I remember this. I watched it live. Hilarious stuff. Good times.

The goatrope stream was hilarious. Basically a bunch of friends bantering on about the game. I miss that stream, but apparently goat moved on to other things in life.

Oh, and there is also vintage Wolf. Cool to hear how he casted back in the day, especially now that he is now doing a fine job in GSL.
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1st_Panzer_Div.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States621 Posts
April 19 2012 22:05 GMT
#94
Depends on the map, but one of the best Pro's could absolutely demolish 2 low-mid master league palyers 2 on 1, I'm pretty sure most of the current ladder maps would suffice. Especially so for terran, not a balance rant, just saying that terran has some of the best defensive capabalities while being able to harass. A nice bunker line to defend a quick expansion followed by some reaper or banshee harass could pretty quickly make it more like a 1 on 1.

And if the game goes long, most master league players don't even sort of compare with the macro of a good pro, anything late game will be completely 1 sided.

Not sure about a zerg, if 2 master players both 6 pooled DRG or Leenock, it would be intersting to say the least. Would love to see a 2 on 1 in a GSL Off the Record.
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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 22:10:38
April 19 2012 22:08 GMT
#95
I doubt even the best pro would have a chance in a 2v1 as long as the two players are mildly competent.
priestnoob
Profile Joined August 2011
243 Posts
April 19 2012 22:10 GMT
#96
On April 20 2012 04:51 Demonhunter04 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 04:51 StavrosHL wrote:
lol , why getting tired of thinking so much instead of make that simple assumption : 2x worker rushes ( especially pp or zz ) will insta win the game no matter what lvl the opponent is.


Not true. HuK has held a double worker rush vs two master's league players. I think it was on TL Attack.



Yet still, he lost to a 3rax after defending the probe rush. I therefore believe that this game kinda goes against your point.
Kevinshi3
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States148 Posts
April 19 2012 22:11 GMT
#97
im willing to say that the top tier pros should have a fairly decent chance vs two low diamonds and lower but thats imo and only from my limited knowledge from the NA server
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Beastyqt
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Serbia516 Posts
April 19 2012 22:13 GMT
#98
You cant beat 2 masters players, you can win 2 diamonds pretty easy unless you are zerg and they do 2x 6 pool or something or do some double allin which you are simply outnumbered.
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Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
April 19 2012 22:19 GMT
#99
On April 20 2012 07:00 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 04:06 jazzyjazz wrote:
There was this "bet" on a thread on TL 1.5 years ago when SC2 just released. This forum-member called CheAse, he was high diamond at the time (I don't think masters league was invented yet, w/e) and he was challenged by 2 of his classmates who were both in gold-league (in 2v2). There was a $100 bet on the line, the thread/hype amounted to 100+ pages and the games were even live-casted by several casters.

So 1 high-diamond (prob a high masters now) vs 2 gold-leaguers and it was a bo5 (or bo7 lol). And CheAse won by a score of 3-1 I think. He lost the first game b/c he tried to macro up but the 2 gold-leaguers just all-inned him. But afterwards, CheAse went for harass as well and that really threw the scrubs off their game and he managed to win the series.

But the 2 guys he faced were BAD, like, one of the dudes built-a-PF-at-their-main-BAD.

edit: found the thread of the "grudgematch"

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157860

Oh man, I remember this. I watched it live. Hilarious stuff. Good times.

The goatrope stream was hilarious. Basically a bunch of friends bantering on about the game. I miss that stream, but apparently goat moved on to other things in life.

Oh, and there is also vintage Wolf. Cool to hear how he casted back in the day, especially now that he is now doing a fine job in GSL.


Man, this was one of the best things that happened around beta time. I'm glad some people around here still remember it :D
:3
empty.bottle
Profile Joined July 2009
685 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 22:29:02
April 19 2012 22:23 GMT
#100
I think war 3 suits better to 2v1.
In a map without a lot of high lvl creeps.
EDIT:
Lol what i fool i am, oc theres another game, BW.
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