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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42655 Posts
April 19 2012 19:48 GMT
#41
On topic, this is ridiculously easy if the pro approaches it in the correct manner. An offensive opening that allows him to be aggressive with a few units and then lock down an expansion (say quick forward rax at natural into wallin and FE) works decently well. A few units microed exceptionally well can inflict economic damage for very little cost against a significantly worse opponent.
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StavrosHL
Profile Joined December 2010
Greece128 Posts
April 19 2012 19:51 GMT
#42
lol , why getting tired of thinking so much instead of make that simple assumption : 2x worker rushes ( especially pp or zz ) will insta win the game no matter what lvl the opponent is.
Demonhunter04
Profile Joined July 2011
1530 Posts
April 19 2012 19:51 GMT
#43
On April 20 2012 04:51 StavrosHL wrote:
lol , why getting tired of thinking so much instead of make that simple assumption : 2x worker rushes ( especially pp or zz ) will insta win the game no matter what lvl the opponent is.


Not true. HuK has held a double worker rush vs two master's league players. I think it was on TL Attack.
"If you don't drop sweat today, you will drop tears tomorrow" - SlayerSMMA
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
April 19 2012 19:53 GMT
#44
QXC won a 1v3 FFA once on a day9 daily.
lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 19:55:51
April 19 2012 19:54 GMT
#45
I won 1v2 vs a Diamond and a gold Korean coach + his friend the other day on stream, 1v2 isn't an issue unless the two opponents are at least masters, even then low masters(na/eu) might still be do-able if its a one-matchup thing..

EDIT - The games I played were TvZ where I went reactor hellion and isolated one of them while going cloak banshee and sending it to the other and CC'ing in base.

Other was a PvZ where I just forge FE'd with 3 blind cannons then macro'd up a deathball and just pushed, because their macro is no where near good enough even combined it is hardly what a real Z could macro by himself.
Patience is a small price to pay for perfection.
Vaapad
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway171 Posts
April 19 2012 19:56 GMT
#46
if 2 people played 1 guy, couldnt they just worker-rush, and insta-win?
Duty is heavier than a mountain. Death, lighter than a feather
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
April 19 2012 19:56 GMT
#47
On April 20 2012 04:06 jazzyjazz wrote:
There was this "bet" on a thread on TL 1.5 years ago when SC2 just released. This forum-member called CheAse, he was high diamond at the time (I don't think masters league was invented yet, w/e) and he was challenged by 2 of his classmates who were both in gold-league (in 2v2). There was a $100 bet on the line, the thread/hype amounted to 100+ pages and the games were even live-casted by several casters.

So 1 high-diamond (prob a high masters now) vs 2 gold-leaguers and it was a bo5 (or bo7 lol). And CheAse won by a score of 3-1 I think. He lost the first game b/c he tried to macro up but the 2 gold-leaguers just all-inned him. But afterwards, CheAse went for harass as well and that really threw the scrubs off their game and he managed to win the series.

But the 2 guys he faced were BAD, like, one of the dudes built-a-PF-at-their-main-BAD.

edit: found the thread of the "grudgematch"

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157860


Torch (Currently of Startale) did something similar with his two (actually it could have been three) room mates who hadn't played the game very much and Torch beat them. That was during the beta though.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Bishonen
Profile Joined March 2011
17 Posts
April 19 2012 19:57 GMT
#48
On April 20 2012 04:54 lastshadow wrote:
I won 1v2 vs a Diamond and a gold Korean coach + his friend the other day on stream, 1v2 isn't an issue unless the two opponents are at least masters, even then low masters(na/eu) might still be do-able if its a one-matchup thing..

EDIT - The games I played were TvZ where I went reactor hellion and isolated one of them while going cloak banshee and sending it to the other and CC'ing in base.

Other was a PvZ where I just forge FE'd with 3 blind cannons then macro'd up a deathball and just pushed, because their macro is no where near good enough even combined it is hardly what a real Z could macro by himself.


If you reached reactor hellion and that lead to a win, you know that the opponents weren't even trying lol
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
April 19 2012 19:58 GMT
#49
Somewhat related, but back in BW I played a 4vs1 against a Korean guy in our class. We worker rushed.

And lost. No one knows how it happened, but it did.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 19 2012 19:58 GMT
#50
This has been asked so many times and if you take someone out before they can build an economic advantage, they can't win.
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 20:00:50
April 19 2012 20:00 GMT
#51
On April 20 2012 04:51 Demonhunter04 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 04:51 StavrosHL wrote:
lol , why getting tired of thinking so much instead of make that simple assumption : 2x worker rushes ( especially pp or zz ) will insta win the game no matter what lvl the opponent is.


Not true. HuK has held a double worker rush vs two master's league players. I think it was on TL Attack.


Two "master level" players, yeah. Masters in 2v2 does not equal masters in 1v1.

Hell, I know people in 1v1 bronze and in teamleagues they'd be platinum/diamond.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Blezza
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom191 Posts
April 19 2012 20:00 GMT
#52
I remember a game Husky casted, when Bomber beat three plat players 1v3 but i think that was when the leagues where less skilled as they are now.
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bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
April 19 2012 20:00 GMT
#53
Depends, there are to many variables. For example Platinium players can be either useless or together they could aswell win vs the best progamer if they cooperate and dont fear, because handicaped player will have to resort to some sort of "trick" to equalize his chances, if you take 2 "composed" platinium players and they will cooperate they can take down anyone. Quantity will always win in this case, even rush strategy from pro player would be defeated if second opponent would bring his workers and surround. Thats how simple it is. Handicapped player will be always on offensive and teamed player will only need to play survive cheese and flood him.
Stork[gm]
Mordoc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States162 Posts
April 19 2012 20:00 GMT
#54
I remember a few years ago when me and this other guy would 1v4/5 other students.
We usually won.

In SC2, its a lot easier to just make colossi and win, or to worker rush and win; so, for example, I think 2 golds could take down a diamond.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
April 19 2012 20:01 GMT
#55
Playing 1v2 is really fucking hard, as faceroll strats can become stupidly powerful. I once played ZvTT against two friends of mine, where I would say my ZvT is at about a mid-master level, and my friends were both at about gold. However, all they did was essentially go 14 rax marines from 1base (7rax each) and keep rallying and a-moving. Despite having just about zero micro and no upgrades at all, even with me going essentially baneling/infestor with burrow and whatknot... it just doesn't matter, there are just too many fucking marines >.>

tl;dr
The skill gap has to be really big for a 1v2 to be even, as some builds becomes exponentially more powerful in a 2v1 situation, regardless of skill level.
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 20:01:56
April 19 2012 20:01 GMT
#56
I beat two of my bronze friends very easily when playing 1v2 and I'm just high masters. A pro could probably take 2 players up to gold atleast.
Beakyboo
Profile Joined May 2010
United States485 Posts
April 19 2012 20:03 GMT
#57
I saw MLG do this with Nestea. I'm not sure what level the opponents were, certainly below masters though. He put up a good fight but it was obviously so unfair there was no chance.
Skwid1g
Profile Joined April 2011
United States953 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 20:04:36
April 19 2012 20:03 GMT
#58
On April 20 2012 04:57 Bishonen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 04:54 lastshadow wrote:
I won 1v2 vs a Diamond and a gold Korean coach + his friend the other day on stream, 1v2 isn't an issue unless the two opponents are at least masters, even then low masters(na/eu) might still be do-able if its a one-matchup thing..

EDIT - The games I played were TvZ where I went reactor hellion and isolated one of them while going cloak banshee and sending it to the other and CC'ing in base.

Other was a PvZ where I just forge FE'd with 3 blind cannons then macro'd up a deathball and just pushed, because their macro is no where near good enough even combined it is hardly what a real Z could macro by himself.


If you reached reactor hellion and that lead to a win, you know that the opponents weren't even trying lol


Well, if there's anyone that would take you up on the offer it's probably LS. It'd be a fun thing to stream a bo5 or bo7 of this just to see how it actually plays out.

Doing it with Zerg is infinitely harder than P/T. Terran is far and away the best race for 1v2s because of drops, wall-off, mass-repair bunkers, and the ability to make an in-base CC.
NaDa/Fantasy/Zero/Soulkey pls
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 19 2012 20:05 GMT
#59
On April 20 2012 04:58 Draconicfire wrote:
Somewhat related, but back in BW I played a 4vs1 against a Korean guy in our class. We worker rushed.

And lost. No one knows how it happened, but it did.

Haha dat story. Good stuff, and I'll believe it, for the beauty of the myth.
Baltor
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States171 Posts
April 19 2012 20:05 GMT
#60
On April 20 2012 04:06 jazzyjazz wrote:
There was this "bet" on a thread on TL 1.5 years ago when SC2 just released. This forum-member called CheAse, he was high diamond at the time (I don't think masters league was invented yet, w/e) and he was challenged by 2 of his classmates who were both in gold-league (in 2v2). There was a $100 bet on the line, the thread/hype amounted to 100+ pages and the games were even live-casted by several casters.

So 1 high-diamond (prob a high masters now) vs 2 gold-leaguers and it was a bo5 (or bo7 lol). And CheAse won by a score of 3-1 I think. He lost the first game b/c he tried to macro up but the 2 gold-leaguers just all-inned him. But afterwards, CheAse went for harass as well and that really threw the scrubs off their game and he managed to win the series.

But the 2 guys he faced were BAD, like, one of the dudes built-a-PF-at-their-main-BAD.

edit: found the thread of the "grudgematch"

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157860



Holy cow, was that really 2 years ago? Man, I'm starting to feel old.
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