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pirsq
Australia145 Posts
Find 3 players of equal skill, play 1v2 terran vs protoss+zerg. The terran gets to play the campaign version of terran, with all the upgrades (free orbital at start, reactored CC, automated refinery, merc compound, psi disruptor, etc). Who wins? (Let's say it's on a huge map where free mule at start + double SCVs can fend off a worker rush.) | ||
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Censured
Czech Republic1061 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
I'm not sure the same would be true of SC2. SC2 limits skill in a number of ways that makes it more harder for a superior player to demonstrate just how superior he is mechanically. Perhaps if you impose some restrictions on how the non-pros should play, but that would defeat the whole purpose. | ||
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RockIronrod
Australia1369 Posts
Having said that, while it would be easier with forcefields and supply depot wall ins, it'd still be nigh impossible simply because the difference in macro between pro level players and people with a good hold on mechanics isn't large enough. Not to say it's close by any margin, but it's nowhere near enough to keep up with two simultaneous economies. | ||
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Narcind
Sweden2489 Posts
Definitely think terran is the best and protoss is the worst for 1v2 though, and I think you'd be very hard pressed to find someone who could 1v2 two diamond players or better. | ||
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gn1k
United States441 Posts
On April 20 2012 04:03 monkh wrote: This should be an OTR challange "Fight 2 players at same time" This would be way fun to see. I tweeted @gomtv requesting it. I once played against 3 people who only play customs and won. I just had to brace for the rush with spine crawlers then muta harass was enough to keep them in their base and pick them apart. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
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Nizzy
United States839 Posts
In Warcraft 3 I played so much 2v2 random team. When random team would only match random team. None of this RT vs AT (Arranged Team) bullshit. So first off the 1v2 factor vs Arranged Teams with set strats makes it impossible to almost when when your ally drops/leaves at the start. However in Warcraft 3 when my ally disconnected/left at the start my win rate was amazing. The different is in Warcraft 3, the money mined and lumber (minerals and gas) would go only to "that player's" base/army or whatever you want to call it. In Starcraft 2 it stacks onto your money. So its virutally pointless to build with your partner's base. Just get up to 25 food and just macro with his workers only. In warcraft 3 you really only need 1-2 control groups usually for your army's heros/units. SO I would mass up myself with melee units, and the partner who left with range. Get tier 2, and 2nd hero with each race and just go win. It was so simple with 1 person controlling 2 armies. Easier to use the hero stills in combination. And you actually could have made the case if you got good enough that you were almost unstoppable if you were fast enough to win 1v2's with ease as a Random player vs 2 random players. (any races didn't matter). It's all fucked up, they made starcraft 2 team play so bad for the "guy that just wants to play some random team alone and without friends". Can't tell you how many times I would just get out of class or work, come home, just want to play versus some random players and have some fair games and then get matched vs Sorcery (josh price, igware, hacker) and his homo butt buddy (sublime/vitamin), protechs, pro 2v2 teams like ItsGosu (kyhol/bubbles) and even take a ton of games of these guys. I hate it I hate it I hate it. It was honestly a big deal playing 2v2 RT in warcraft 3 on the azeroth server. The 2v2 RT ladder was almost a bigger thing than the AT ladder because it took more skill IMO than just KOTG/FS ne/orc AT teams. I really think starcraft 2 fails in this aspect. Now I know the thread is about 1 pro vs 2 players but just wanted to rant about that. I think only if myself and another clone of myself at masters NA would play any pro in the world, there's no way I'd lose to any pro of any race. 2 Terrans vs a protoss or something, double reapers at the start into double marauder, into mass marine, into 1 go marine tank PPD, 1 go banshee. It would just be too much for any protoss to handle. If the protoss went to attack my partners base I would just hit his main, kill him, have my partner turtle for as long as possible while I build up another big army to finish it. It would honestly have to be a pro game vs like 2 straight up plats or lower. User was warned for this post | ||
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lpunatic
235 Posts
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Daria
Australia500 Posts
On April 20 2012 04:02 KookyMonster wrote: I mean, couldn't a pro Zerg player just 6 pool you and win? Odds are he (or she) can out-micro your workers and win... Also he or she could go for a baneling all in and win too. It really depends on race combinations as well. No... | ||
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bLah.
Croatia497 Posts
in sc2 economy/unit production macro is not that hard so most of master players could macro and raise in supply almost like a pros. they just shouldn't lose their time on harrass and stuff. And if pro has 200 supply, 2 amateurs would have like 300-350 and better economy, I'd really like to see someone holding 350 supply even if it's only A move. | ||
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Sprungjeezy
United States1313 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Of course from that position it is almost impossible to win without a teammate. Last time I played 1v2 with friends, it was low masters vs 2 golds and it was pretty easy after the first few attacks. I'd definitely lose to two Plats though. I'm sure a Pro could take on 2 low diamonds. | ||
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DarKFoRcE
Germany1215 Posts
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babysimba
10466 Posts
A more interesting idea will be playing on the micro-macro map, though it's rather hard to translate the thoughts from the micro player to the macro player. Terran will be the easier race to do so though, since it emphasizes on continuous production. | ||
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ruiyang
252 Posts
E.g if Im zerg and the low master is zerg aswell I would just outmicro and kill him with ling bling. Then i try to hold off the platinum with what I have and proceed to win the game. I only lost if they went for something real gimmicky. Like one goes for fast air and other fast rush (6pool etc) or both do a fast rush. But honestly, against 2 scrubs u can very often hold 2 6pools till certain skill level. 2 diamond 4gates would always demolish me but 2 diamond zerg/Protoss i could win against if I manage to kill the zerg straigt away and man up va the 4 gate. So if 2 diamond~ level would do a smart tactic its almost impossible to win (like 2x 4gate vs zerg) but 2 platinum doing same is easily to stop. They just dont posses the timings. If 2 plat do 2x 4gate its almost same as 1 high master doing a 6gate, but easier to detect and easier to stop. So in other words, if u fetch me 2 platinum, im 100% sure i can win 3/5 times. Doesnt matter what tactics they use. 1 diamond + 1 platinum it gets harder (maybe 2/5 wins), 1 low master and 1 platinum (2/5) and 2 diamonds or higher (1/5 or less). For a pro i could imagine him beatig 2 diamonds. Theres still a huge cap between high master, top master, grand master, top grand master and korean | ||
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
If they are mid/high master there would be no way in hell to do it. | ||
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Veriol
Czech Republic502 Posts
In macro I dont know what typical dia guy is capable of but id still not give much chances. This might be good idea for the GSL preshow or how its called where pros do random stuff like playing with chopsticks | ||
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Recognizable
Netherlands1552 Posts
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
Gold or less, absolutely, isi pisi! I honestly think a strong master player should be able to win this challenge. reason: in gold or below, nobody uses optimised builds, so even a dbl 4gate of 2 gold league players would be easy to hold, because it's horribly timed out and executed. platinum is hard to say. A strong pro gamer should be able to win this. Builds are better than in the leagues below, but nowhere near the optimum. And mechanics and tactical decisions are still very bad here in most of the cases. diamond will be the border. builds are becoming ok here and mechanics are also much better. So yeah, like someone mentioned that violet lost to two diamond players, I also think that here is the border, what's possible. Two master league players should be able to defeat one player of any skill, quite handly, even without going for a cheese/allin, unless they are fucked up abusers, not knowing anything about the game, but using fucked up cheese to get a high ladder ranking. | ||
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