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althaz
Australia1001 Posts
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
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redwingxviii
United States101 Posts
BW = I'm relatively certain that two of myself couldn't touch any pro SC2 = I kinda think I'd have a good chance against a pro (2 of myself vs him) Just a different game, can't really explain why it's that (mechanics of the game, units are more powerful maybe?) Just thought that was an interesting difference between the two game - again not saying good or bad because i don't care at all! | ||
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On April 20 2012 04:06 jazzyjazz wrote: There was this "bet" on a thread on TL 1.5 years ago when SC2 just released. This forum-member called CheAse, he was high diamond at the time (I don't think masters league was invented yet, w/e) and he was challenged by 2 of his classmates who were both in gold-league (in 2v2). There was a $100 bet on the line, the thread/hype amounted to 100+ pages and the games were even live-casted by several casters. So 1 high-diamond (prob a high masters now) vs 2 gold-leaguers and it was a bo5 (or bo7 lol). And CheAse won by a score of 3-1 I think. He lost the first game b/c he tried to macro up but the 2 gold-leaguers just all-inned him. But afterwards, CheAse went for harass as well and that really threw the scrubs off their game and he managed to win the series. But the 2 guys he faced were BAD, like, one of the dudes built-a-PF-at-their-main-BAD. edit: found the thread of the "grudgematch" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157860 i remember that hahahah. didn't he reaper their asses? i remember watching the matches but i don't recall what race he was. | ||
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Buzerio
United Kingdom135 Posts
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FuriousEgg
Argentina20 Posts
Playing 3s with some friends (Im top masters) we were doing placement matches and as a zerg I 14/14 and got double six pooled and marine rushed, only with drones and then 6 lings I held that attack, of course they were 3 bronzies. So that proves that early games all ins can be easily held by anyone with better mechanics. That said, I would bet that a progamer could take at least 3 o BSG if they do not all in in the first 4 minutes of the game. Against plat or diamond, it would be either 2 or 3. Masters, no can do. He could all in one and maybe, MAYBE, outmacro the second one, but most likely not | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
I think a pro could beat 2 plat players, diamond is a maybe, depends how good the pro is. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
On April 20 2012 04:26 Ettick wrote: i doubt that even mkp could hold off 2 6 pools lol There was some pro game a little while ago where a terran held 6pool with unwalled blind 15cc on low ground on antiga shipyard. Lings are such a joke vs scv/marine and simply cant get past any wall if it is established anywhere | ||
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Inquisitor1323
370 Posts
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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aicaramba
Netherlands110 Posts
I cant seem to find the video anymore, though. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
On April 21 2012 01:14 Mementoss wrote: They should do this for fun. Get a pro to 1v2 starting at bronze, then silver. And see how far he can make it. Obviously there would have to be a rule against cheesing for the 2 people. You obviously can't stop a 6 pool cannon rush lol. You actually can, I do it quite frequently against gold/plat players in team games with no help from my teammate when we're screwing around in 2v2s. In fact, if I'm Terran it's basically a free win if they do so; cancel OC and build bunkers --> easy hold. I don't think people realize how awful everyone below GM is actually is. I am nearly 100% positive a really good Terran could win a bo5 against 2 diamonds/a plat and a diamond, it'd be much harder with Toss and probably borderline impossible with Zerg. | ||
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
Put a top protoss against two non-terrans and maybe once in a while he could take a win by putting 6:30 DTs in their bases, or possibly win with a cannon rush on certain maps or against particularly stupid opponents. An idea like this was a lot more possible in BW, where units could be more abusive against non-skilled opponents if your micro is excellent. But to win more than 50% in SC2 means having opponents with absolutely no sense of macro and not enough game knowledge to simply 6 pool or worker rush. | ||
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ruiyang
252 Posts
On April 20 2012 04:42 Bishonen wrote: Back when i was active, I was platinium. I have switched from wc3 so i knew the basics of a rts game (micro/macro). I'm still not convinced that a Pro like Marineking/Idra/Grubby would stand a chance. The difference in units created between a gm and diamond within the first 5 min or so is marginal. Double the marine count that you have after 5min and tell me how long a wall will stand? I say 0 chances. Any pro can prove me wrong (which wont happen I'm afraid)So you say you are platinum. And a pro has 0,001% chance to beat you 1v2 (your ally same skill). Many pros on this forum already said its quite possible to do. Gogo showmatch? :p if noone wants I can prove you its possible to win. Problem is I havent played nearly 6 months. And that playing zerg might be quit hard vs 2x 6pools. Also im not a pro but i already stated that i won many 1v2 platinum as high master. Lets say: 1 Z vs 2x 6 pool, I think its stoppable on medium-large maps if zerg goes 6-8pool himself, and get a spinecrawler + few drones more instead of 6lings early. Then build enough lings (spinecrawlers if needed) to stay alive and get speed faster then opponent. Against platinum theres generally huge timing u have speed before 6poolers to kill 1 or both off. Also 1: pretty sure platinum would be clueless how to play when they arrive at zerg base and see a spine, few lings and 8-10drones). Most often then not theyll suicide the lings on the spine and ull kill them 1 by 1 with micro when ur lingspeed finishes earlier. Even if they dont do that, if you know theyr both going 6 pool just get an early spine some lings speedtech and beat one in the small window. Lets say 1 T vs 2x 4-6rax. build wall, build bunkers and atleast 4rax. Get 1 banshee and win. I dont know if u ever played against a well microed banshee as terran but im 100% sure a pro can kill a weak eco platinum with only 1 banshee after stopping the rush with few bunkers+scv. As high master ive lost on several occasions vs 1 banshee because i couldnt keep up with his hit-run on workers. Multitasked banshee will destroy any platinum. They cant have anything else then marines after they comitted. Lets say 1 P vs 2x 2gate or 2x 4gate. This one is most tricky and hardest of all. Forcefield ramp all the time while teching up and hopefully catch em off-guard? Pretty hard. Luckily i dont play Protoss. Oh wait:, pretty sure a well executed 4gate is atleast 20sec earlier then a platinum 4gate. Maybe even as much as a 40secs or so. Meaning 1-2 warpins more. Just do a proxi pylon and kill one before his warpgate tech is even done. Maybe theres some korean warpgate zealot that can be a minute earlier then average platinum players, meaning u can cripple 1 plat. player even before he/she can do anything. Against 2 gate.. Dno i dont play protoss much. Borderline: im 100% sure its doable vs 2 platinum. Platinum simply dont have the execution to pull off builds well. Trust me, even 6 pool of plat and gm is atleast 10sec difference before the lings are even made. E.G:. I never seen a plat create and sent worker to mineral <5 ingame second gametime, platinum probably doesnt even know if its better to create worker or sent to mine is more importanr lol = important seconds. Most pros do this within the very first ingame second. There also a part of game knowledge and with that decisionmaking. 2 plats would make awful decision to whether to attack or not. Do 20 marine win vs 10 marines in 2 bunkers reparing? They wouldnt know. And lastly: multitask is on a whole different level. U cant micro army, build army and chase that 1 banshee thats flying faster then ur marines can walk and shooting at your workers (this is after failed rush attempt). If after this you still dont believe. Sent me a pm and ill gladly play you | ||
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[N3O]r3d33m3r
Germany673 Posts
mate lagged out at the bery beginning (50 seconds or so) and yes, i had his base to ofc! so me macroing my race and his. but winning with just one race against two is hard as fuck http://drop.sc/164418 | ||
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
On April 21 2012 11:00 ruiyang wrote: So you say you are platinum. And a pro has 0,001% chance to beat you 1v2 (your ally same skill). Many pros on this forum already said its quite possible to do. Gogo showmatch? :p if noone wants I can prove you its possible to win. Problem is I havent played nearly 6 months. And that playing zerg might be quit hard vs 2x 6pools. Also im not a pro but i already stated that i won many 1v2 platinum as high master. Lets say: 1 Z vs 2x 6 pool, I think its stoppable on medium-large maps if zerg goes 6-8pool himself, and get a spinecrawler + few drones more instead of 6lings early. Then build enough lings (spinecrawlers if needed) to stay alive and get speed faster then opponent. Against platinum theres generally huge timing u have speed before 6poolers to kill 1 or both off. Also 1: pretty sure platinum would be clueless how to play when they arrive at zerg base and see a spine, few lings and 8-10drones). Most often then not theyll suicide the lings on the spine and ull kill them 1 by 1 with micro when ur lingspeed finishes earlier. Even if they dont do that, if you know theyr both going 6 pool just get an early spine some lings speedtech and beat one in the small window. Lets say 1 T vs 2x 4-6rax. build wall, build bunkers and atleast 4rax. Get 1 banshee and win. I dont know if u ever played against a well microed banshee as terran but im 100% sure a pro can kill a weak eco platinum with only 1 banshee after stopping the rush with few bunkers+scv. As high master ive lost on several occasions vs 1 banshee because i couldnt keep up with his hit-run on workers. Multitasked banshee will destroy any platinum. They cant have anything else then marines after they comitted. Lets say 1 P vs 2x 2gate or 2x 4gate. This one is most tricky and hardest of all. Forcefield ramp all the time while teching up and hopefully catch em off-guard? Pretty hard. Luckily i dont play Protoss. Oh wait:, pretty sure a well executed 4gate is atleast 20sec earlier then a platinum 4gate. Maybe even as much as a 40secs or so. Meaning 1-2 warpins more. Just do a proxi pylon and kill one before his warpgate tech is even done. Maybe theres some korean warpgate zealot that can be a minute earlier then average platinum players, meaning u can cripple 1 plat. player even before he/she can do anything. Against 2 gate.. Dno i dont play protoss much. Borderline: im 100% sure its doable vs 2 platinum. Platinum simply dont have the execution to pull off builds well. Trust me, even 6 pool of plat and gm is atleast 10sec difference before the lings are even made. E.G:. I never seen a plat create and sent worker to mineral <5 ingame second gametime, platinum probably doesnt even know if its better to create worker or sent to mine is more importanr lol = important seconds. Most pros do this within the very first ingame second. There also a part of game knowledge and with that decisionmaking. 2 plats would make awful decision to whether to attack or not. Do 20 marine win vs 10 marines in 2 bunkers reparing? They wouldnt know. And lastly: multitask is on a whole different level. U cant micro army, build army and chase that 1 banshee thats flying faster then ur marines can walk and shooting at your workers (this is after failed rush attempt). If after this you still dont believe. Sent me a pm and ill gladly play you 2 top level platinum players can copy a pro build within 1 or 2 food easily by the 8 minute mark, and having two of them on you... that's 2x the supply vs you. Maybe, MAYBE if you get a really nice hard counter (if both players go mass marine/zergling and you go baneling and they fail to scout or something) then you would win. But if they have any sense, there's no chance. Platinum players aren't as bad as they used to be. And by the time you get to diamond, there's just no way. | ||
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IvanGT
Iceland15 Posts
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GoldenH
1115 Posts
bronzies, I like. 4v1. IDK, I never got enough of them in a game to beat me and I was being nice and not attacking early or anything. | ||
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