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scph
Profile Joined June 2010
Korea (South)262 Posts
April 19 2012 22:24 GMT
#101
lol@this thread.

Pros, while "godlike", are still limited by game's design. Against bronze players, you don't have to be a pro to win 1v2. Against any 2 decent platinum players, assuming there are no rules, no pro right now will even stand a chance unless his opponents are just trolling. Adding one more player to a 1v1 game where all players have an decent understanding of the game disrupts the whole balance of the game, if it didn't, the game would be considered imbalanced.
Melange
Profile Joined April 2011
United States39 Posts
April 19 2012 22:25 GMT
#102
The 2 players would win every time with the right strategy. If the pro is a zerg, a double 6 pool will kill him outright. If not, the two players can both go Protoss and double four-gate. No one can hold two four-gates at the same time. At the same time, double proxy barracks would also be incredibly hard to hold. Hell, a early zealot-marauder push would also be impossible to defend
sertas
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden887 Posts
April 19 2012 22:27 GMT
#103
any standard 2v2 strategy would absolutely roll a pro no problem, its just not mathematically doable to have a chance 1v2 maybe if you are automaton 2000 and can lift tanks with medivacs with 30k apm but for a human its not possible.
terriBean
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada75 Posts
April 19 2012 22:30 GMT
#104
If it was an actual 2v2 in which the pro's team mate left at the start of the game, I think it would be possible. Unlikely otherwise.
Bluerain
Profile Joined April 2010
United States348 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 03:07:38
April 20 2012 03:00 GMT
#105
a pro would destroy 2 masters players easily every single time. ur worse than u think

edit: im assumign its a pro on 2 bases not 1 base. then they pro would lose.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12387 Posts
April 20 2012 03:06 GMT
#106
well, I played a 2v2 with my fd who was in bronze and carried him to plat level 2v2.
I auto lose to any rush but could win a macro game lol

but a pro against some diamonds+? I won't bet my money on the pro because if the diamonds are smart, they would just do a super strong timing push.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Insomni7
Profile Joined June 2011
667 Posts
April 20 2012 03:06 GMT
#107
Watch Huk's TL Attack, it shows something about 2v1 and how even in a game where Huk had every advantage early, he really stood no chance against 2 mining bases from the start of the game. I would say that if you are talking about players who are at least plat/gold, it would be very difficult for the pro to ever win.
Never Forget.
ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
April 20 2012 03:07 GMT
#108
my identical selves will kill each other if we can't beat DRG together
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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
April 20 2012 03:07 GMT
#109
I believe it was check.prime, who is now retired, who did a 4v1 between him and some diamonds back when diamond was highest, he then beat them all because they did not work as a team.
User was warned for too many mimes.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 03:10:19
April 20 2012 03:09 GMT
#110
On April 20 2012 12:00 Bluerain wrote:
a pro would destroy 2 masters players easily every single time. ur worse than u think

lol
how? I could just 2port cloak banshee while my friend 11/11s, or I could go mass pressure with speedlings while my friend gets that Protoss deathball started.
If 2 masters players actually worked together and used their brains i'm pretty sure they could 2v1.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6259 Posts
April 20 2012 03:22 GMT
#111
The pro will lose even to gold players if the gold players are told what strategy to employ (e.g. a 2v2 rush strat). If the game is played straight-up, I reckon the pro has a chance to win.
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
April 20 2012 03:25 GMT
#112
14 workers beats 9 workers, not matter the micro.
Stipulation
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States587 Posts
April 20 2012 03:30 GMT
#113
I think there has been enough talk. We need to set up a test. Any pros volunteer to play?
UnmortaI
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada35 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 08:02:28
April 20 2012 03:31 GMT
#114
It's remotely funny to see a lot of people here think the pro stands any semblance of a chance against something like a group of 2 diamonds. Any joint all-in will kill the pro. The better question, and the one I came into this thread to see, is if a pro can beat a team of 2 diamonds, trained to work as a team for a few days, where one macros and one micros.
FatkiddsLag
Profile Joined May 2010
United States413 Posts
April 20 2012 03:35 GMT
#115
2v1 just double worker rush. impossible to win.
Kanil
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1713 Posts
April 20 2012 03:35 GMT
#116
Any remotely capable player could beat a pro in a 2v1 by all-ining. Where the cutoff is? I guess it depends on the map, but I'd say platinum/gold at least can handle it.

It'd be interesting to see the pro start with two bases, or perhaps even an island (or semi-island) map to deter cheap early rushes. Then the cutoff would be much higher.
I used to have an Oz icon over here ---->
mastergriggy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1312 Posts
April 20 2012 03:41 GMT
#117
Check out Chease's grudgematch as an example of how they can. Keep in mind that 2 average players could easily just six pool any race and completely overwhelm that player in every game though. Aside from double cheeses, it's probably very possible.
Write your own song!
bpat
Profile Joined September 2011
United States157 Posts
April 20 2012 07:51 GMT
#118
If the two players both 6pool or proxy I don't see the pro holding it off, but in a straight up game a player like Mvp could probably take down two low platinum players.
[]Phase[]
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium927 Posts
April 20 2012 08:06 GMT
#119
I used to be mid masters several seasons ago, and I played my friends who are inbetween bronze - plat in 1v2 / 1v3 plenty of times. Anything not masters is pretty crap, hell what am I saying, anything not high GM is pretty crap. Even tho they might sometimes do some push that could be a threat, they'd probably get outplayed on all other fields so hard that they would still have a hard time taking down 1 guy. So yes, I believe a pro would definatly win. Actually anyone who ISNT pro does so much stupid shit a pro could easily gain advantages. In a 1v2 masters it'd depend alot on how much the 2 masters actually know how to abuse their advantage as much as possible. But a GM against 2 masters? probably not, the 'pro's' im talking about here would have to be gsl material or something. Just your average GM isn't THAT special.

The only thing i'd worry about would be that even tho the pro has the skill to outplay, he doesnt have enough time to outplay them, because if the 2 noobs do something cheesy early on, it might not be holdable regardless of skill. But then again, if we are going to count in cheese : a noob can beat a pro with a cheesy build if he gets lucky and hides it well. There is always the chance, even if its only a small one.
Sqorpion
Profile Joined October 2011
Denmark384 Posts
April 20 2012 08:09 GMT
#120
Well the two players' skill doesn't matter at all if they just learn a cheesy allin. 2v1, 2 players of any caliber with a strong allin can beat anyone.
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
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