lol@this thread.

Pros, while "godlike", are still limited by game's design. Against bronze players, you don't have to be a pro to win 1v2. Against any 2 decent platinum players, assuming there are no rules, no pro right now will even stand a chance unless his opponents are just trolling. Adding one more player to a 1v1 game where all players have an decent understanding of the game disrupts the whole balance of the game, if it didn't, the game would be considered imbalanced.

Melange

United States39 Posts

April 19 2012 22:25 GMT

#102

The 2 players would win every time with the right strategy. If the pro is a zerg, a double 6 pool will kill him outright. If not, the two players can both go Protoss and double four-gate. No one can hold two four-gates at the same time. At the same time, double proxy barracks would also be incredibly hard to hold. Hell, a early zealot-marauder push would also be impossible to defend

sertas

Sweden890 Posts

April 19 2012 22:27 GMT

#103

any standard 2v2 strategy would absolutely roll a pro no problem, its just not mathematically doable to have a chance 1v2 maybe if you are automaton 2000 and can lift tanks with medivacs with 30k apm but for a human its not possible.

terriBean

Canada75 Posts

April 19 2012 22:30 GMT

#104

If it was an actual 2v2 in which the pro's team mate left at the start of the game, I think it would be possible. Unlikely otherwise.

Bluerain

United States348 Posts

April 20 2012 03:00 GMT

#105

a pro would destroy 2 masters players easily every single time. ur worse than u think

edit: im assumign its a pro on 2 bases not 1 base. then they pro would lose.

ETisME

12888 Posts

April 20 2012 03:06 GMT

#106

well, I played a 2v2 with my fd who was in bronze and carried him to plat level 2v2.
I auto lose to any rush but could win a macro game lol

but a pro against some diamonds+? I won't bet my money on the pro because if the diamonds are smart, they would just do a super strong timing push.

Insomni7

667 Posts

April 20 2012 03:06 GMT

#107

Watch Huk's TL Attack, it shows something about 2v1 and how even in a game where Huk had every advantage early, he really stood no chance against 2 mining bases from the start of the game. I would say that if you are talking about players who are at least plat/gold, it would be very difficult for the pro to ever win.

ThePlayer33

Australia2378 Posts

April 20 2012 03:07 GMT

#108

my identical selves will kill each other if we can't beat DRG together

docvoc

United States5491 Posts

April 20 2012 03:07 GMT

#109

I believe it was check.prime, who is now retired, who did a 4v1 between him and some diamonds back when diamond was highest, he then beat them all because they did not work as a team.

Whatson

United States5357 Posts

April 20 2012 03:09 GMT

#110

On April 20 2012 12:00 Bluerain wrote:
a pro would destroy 2 masters players easily every single time. ur worse than u think

lol
how? I could just 2port cloak banshee while my friend 11/11s, or I could go mass pressure with speedlings while my friend gets that Protoss deathball started.
If 2 masters players actually worked together and used their brains i'm pretty sure they could 2v1.

Azzur

Australia6267 Posts

April 20 2012 03:22 GMT

#111

The pro will lose even to gold players if the gold players are told what strategy to employ (e.g. a 2v2 rush strat). If the game is played straight-up, I reckon the pro has a chance to win.

Micket

United Kingdom2163 Posts

April 20 2012 03:25 GMT

#112

14 workers beats 9 workers, not matter the micro.

Stipulation

United States587 Posts

April 20 2012 03:30 GMT

#113

I think there has been enough talk. We need to set up a test. Any pros volunteer to play?

UnmortaI

Canada35 Posts

April 20 2012 03:31 GMT

#114

It's remotely funny to see a lot of people here think the pro stands any semblance of a chance against something like a group of 2 diamonds. Any joint all-in will kill the pro. The better question, and the one I came into this thread to see, is if a pro can beat a team of 2 diamonds, trained to work as a team for a few days, where one macros and one micros.

FatkiddsLag

United States413 Posts

April 20 2012 03:35 GMT

#115

2v1 just double worker rush. impossible to win.

Kanil

United States1713 Posts

April 20 2012 03:35 GMT

#116

Any remotely capable player could beat a pro in a 2v1 by all-ining. Where the cutoff is? I guess it depends on the map, but I'd say platinum/gold at least can handle it.

It'd be interesting to see the pro start with two bases, or perhaps even an island (or semi-island) map to deter cheap early rushes. Then the cutoff would be much higher.

mastergriggy

United States1312 Posts

April 20 2012 03:41 GMT

#117

Check out Chease's grudgematch as an example of how they can. Keep in mind that 2 average players could easily just six pool any race and completely overwhelm that player in every game though. Aside from double cheeses, it's probably very possible.

bpat

United States157 Posts

April 20 2012 07:51 GMT

#118

If the two players both 6pool or proxy I don't see the pro holding it off, but in a straight up game a player like Mvp could probably take down two low platinum players.

[]Phase[]

Belgium927 Posts

April 20 2012 08:06 GMT

#119

I used to be mid masters several seasons ago, and I played my friends who are inbetween bronze - plat in 1v2 / 1v3 plenty of times. Anything not masters is pretty crap, hell what am I saying, anything not high GM is pretty crap. Even tho they might sometimes do some push that could be a threat, they'd probably get outplayed on all other fields so hard that they would still have a hard time taking down 1 guy. So yes, I believe a pro would definatly win. Actually anyone who ISNT pro does so much stupid shit a pro could easily gain advantages. In a 1v2 masters it'd depend alot on how much the 2 masters actually know how to abuse their advantage as much as possible. But a GM against 2 masters? probably not, the 'pro's' im talking about here would have to be gsl material or something. Just your average GM isn't THAT special.

The only thing i'd worry about would be that even tho the pro has the skill to outplay, he doesnt have enough time to outplay them, because if the 2 noobs do something cheesy early on, it might not be holdable regardless of skill. But then again, if we are going to count in cheese : a noob can beat a pro with a cheesy build if he gets lucky and hides it well. There is always the chance, even if its only a small one.

Sqorpion

Denmark384 Posts

April 20 2012 08:09 GMT

#120

Well the two players' skill doesn't matter at all if they just learn a cheesy allin. 2v1, 2 players of any caliber with a strong allin can beat anyone.