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Knock off the SC2 vs BW vs LoL vs whatever crap please.
Betelgeuse
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada210 Posts
March 24 2012 18:30 GMT
#101
wow I didn't think kespa would be getting involved in SC2 at all; if they do though hopefully it will grow sc2 in korea a lot more
Through victory, my chains are broken.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11367 Posts
March 24 2012 18:30 GMT
#102
On March 25 2012 02:11 nokz88 wrote:
An unnamed Korean industry insider said "There is a strong possibility that the next season of Proleague will have both SCBW and SC2, and the next one after that will have only SC2".


Well the first part is good news but this part kills all my excitement. I assume this is the same insider as the other thread about Rumours? I hope it's just nasty rumours from some disgruntled employee because otherwise gg no re. What if SC2 continues to struggle with numbers and LoL catches fire? Lose BW proleague and see BW pro's follow Kim Carrier to LoL? I don't know if it's so simple as BW proleague shuts down, Bisu will play SC2 forever and ever. If they're doing it for the money, they will probably follow the money.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
Noro
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada991 Posts
March 24 2012 18:30 GMT
#103
On March 25 2012 03:15 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.

User was warned for this post

Why do posts like this one get warnings, when people in the BW forum are free to call SC2 a shit game with no future?


This, someone explain this to me..
Talk not to me of blasphemy, man; I'd strike the sun if it insulted me.
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
March 24 2012 18:30 GMT
#104
I won't say no to another big Korean tourney, but I'm a little sad about BW getting the boot after a year...
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Vehemus
Profile Joined November 2010
United States586 Posts
March 24 2012 18:31 GMT
#105
On March 25 2012 03:21 NoDDiE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 03:15 Bagi wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.

User was warned for this post

Why do posts like this one get warnings, when people in the BW forum are free to call SC2 a shit game with no future?


i agree with that guy. sc2 flaming = fine
bw flaming = warning ? how is this supposed to be fair ?


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Roblin
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden948 Posts
March 24 2012 18:31 GMT
#106
On March 25 2012 02:51 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 02:47 Tsuki.eu wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:34 MetalLobster wrote:
I don't see why they have to eliminate BW


because nothing lasts forever?


whats the point of esports if it can't last forever and everyone has to move to a new and shiny game,so i'm not hating on SC2 or anything i'm just saying.

bw will not last forever, hopefully it will be replaced by a worthy successor (IMO: SC2 is not a worthy successor, yet.)
SC2 will not last forever, hopefully it will be replaced by a worthy successor.

Esports may last for the duration of intelligent life on earth, it might not, if it doesn't, that will probably be because a worthy successor came along.

intelligent life on earth will not last forever.

life on earth will not last forever.

earth will not last forever.

the sun will not last forever.

our solar system will not last forever.

the milky way will not last forever.

our galaxyheap will not last forever.

depending on definitions, the universe may or may not last forever.

almost nothing last forever, the best that can possibly happen for a game is to live for thousands or perhaps a few millions of years, but in comparison to infinity, billions of years is still no more than an instant.

bw lasted for what? 10-15 years?
chess have lasted for something like 1000 years, why?
the boardgame "go" are known to have been played more than 2500 years ago, its probably way older, why do people still play it today?

the concept of esports is extremely new, if we were to analyse how complex and awesome the future esports games will become, we can first compare our early esports games with the first non-esports games.

what was the first non-esport game? tic tac toe perhaps? or rock-paper-scissors? as a matter of fact, these have fairly complex rule sets, so the first games are probably thousands of years older than those.

I can imagine the first game in the world to be something like: "I win"

heres the rules for "I win": whomever initializes the game through any method agreed upon by all parties wins.

now, lets state the following:
"I win" relates to competitive pong as:
rock-paper-scissors relates to starcraft broodwar as
tic-tac-toe relates to SC2 as
chess relates to the esports games of the future.

did you really expect SCBW to last forever?
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
March 24 2012 18:32 GMT
#107
Interesting news. Big props to Gom for giving the green light after how they got shit on in BW by Kespa. How much longer does Gom have the exclusive rights? I'd imagine when that contract is up, no more exclusive contracts in Korea and it will work more like it does in the foreign scene.
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Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
March 24 2012 18:32 GMT
#108
On March 25 2012 03:15 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.

User was warned for this post

Why do posts like this one get warnings, when people in the BW forum are free to call SC2 a shit game with no future?

On March 25 2012 03:21 NoDDiE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 03:15 Bagi wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.

User was warned for this post

Why do posts like this one get warnings, when people in the BW forum are free to call SC2 a shit game with no future?


i agree with that guy. sc2 flaming = fine
bw flaming = warning ? how is this supposed to be fair ?

On March 25 2012 03:30 Noro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 03:15 Bagi wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.

User was warned for this post

Why do posts like this one get warnings, when people in the BW forum are free to call SC2 a shit game with no future?


This, someone explain this to me..


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=7 would probably be the best way to ask this instead of posting it in a thread not related to how moderation is handled.
Brood War forever!
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
March 24 2012 18:32 GMT
#109
On March 25 2012 03:21 NoDDiE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 03:15 Bagi wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.

User was warned for this post

Why do posts like this one get warnings, when people in the BW forum are free to call SC2 a shit game with no future?


i agree with that guy. sc2 flaming = fine
bw flaming = warning ? how is this supposed to be fair ?


I'm curious too, but It probably has something to do with the fact that TL.net started out as a BW site, so obviously all the mods and original members are BW fans and are biased in that way. Meh, I've played BW since day1, I remember saving up allowance to buy BW when it came out, it's sad to see it die. But honestly, the way a lot of the BW fans act about it and SC2 on these forums, I'm almost glad.
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Noro
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada991 Posts
March 24 2012 18:32 GMT
#110
To the people saying that people have stuck with games like baseball or football for 100 years... Your argument is failure.
You're delusional to think that those mainstream sports haven't changed at all since then.
SC2 is just the new look of an old game. go look at a picture of baseball 100 years ago and tell me it looks the same now.
Talk not to me of blasphemy, man; I'd strike the sun if it insulted me.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5649 Posts
March 24 2012 18:32 GMT
#111
On March 25 2012 03:25 Megaliskuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 03:23 Kanil wrote:
I'm surprised so few SC2 fans aren't complaining about the prospect of watching a tournament where every other game is BW.

LR threads are going to be horrifying if this actually happens.


I don't get why all the BW people are so pissed about it, I think BW>>>>>>>>SC2 but being less than perfect aint all that bad, I think its a pretty cool idea and suggested it a long time ago.


Because it makes the whole league a farce? Something that used to be the epitome of BW - a match of ProLeague - potentially being decided by a game of SC2?
Kordox
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark142 Posts
March 24 2012 18:32 GMT
#112
On March 25 2012 03:13 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 03:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On March 25 2012 03:05 Golgotha wrote:
if bw dies then what will JD and flash do? play on afreeca for balloons like mjy? no way. they will have to move to sc2 as BW has been their life and future. but it sucks that sc2 will NOT appeal to their high skill and challenge them like bw. they will play for $$$ and because they have no choice. which is very different from when they joined BW...it was their choice and true passion. kespa is now switching games and they will be forced to....this does not sit well with me nor will it with them. All those years of bw training are now gone and they will have to play the gimmicky, volatile and mechanically streamlined game that is sc2.

Please Blizzard, if you really want to keep these BW pros and ensure the long life of SC2, for god's sake raise the skill ceiling and remove blob v blob.


just to let you know that SC2 is kinda moved away form blob vs blob.


Nope, can't really recall a game that isn't blob v blob unless it is TvT. Most of them are blob v blob cuz it would be stupid to split your forces and play at such a disadvantage when grouping all your units into one army is the most effective. I follow both games and zvp, zvt and tvp are still blob vs blob.


How is keeping your units in a single group better? You're more vulnurable to splash damage, and effectively engaging the enemy becomes harder to do. The better players are starting to move away from the blob style, and are doing more to position and split their armies properly to avoid splash, form concaves, protect key units etc. I don't see why it won't become standard as players always have to keep improving to beat each other.
Tryxtira
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden572 Posts
March 24 2012 18:33 GMT
#113
GomTV are such ballers. I love those guys! <3
Theovide
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden914 Posts
March 24 2012 18:33 GMT
#114
Exiting news for a sc2 fan, hopefully sc2 will be able to compete with LoL! Albeit I guess it is kind of sad if BW is in fact dying down.
neek
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands51 Posts
March 24 2012 18:33 GMT
#115
ofc BW is a great game, but to expand esports and to introduce it to new people you really need better graphics like sc2. Im kinda new to the community and i only know about starcraft since sc2 was released and I find BW awful to watch, just because of the graphics.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5745 Posts
March 24 2012 18:34 GMT
#116
At least even if BW were to die (although really I think it's just people trying to create a self-fulfilling prophecy by predicting its doom all the time) the direct negotiation with KeSPA - at long last - represents how far the members of KeSPA have brought BW.
On March 25 2012 03:30 Noro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 03:15 Bagi wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.

User was warned for this post

Why do posts like this one get warnings, when people in the BW forum are free to call SC2 a shit game with no future?


This, someone explain this to me..

A little BW affirmative action won't bankrupt MLG.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
a9arnn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1537 Posts
March 24 2012 18:34 GMT
#117
. That would suck if there was no more BW at all... this is really crunch time for ZerO to win the next OSL :O. This should help for the stability of SC2 though, so I suppose that's good.
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
March 24 2012 18:35 GMT
#118
On March 25 2012 03:29 Sentient66 wrote:
As much as I hate to see BW on its last legs, a SC2 version of Proleague makes me super excited for the future.


Me to and I pray to god they make it 1v1 + ace not winners league. I wish gom would switch on and off from winners league to normal or whatever but they only do winners league
When I think of something else, something will go here
Phenny
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1435 Posts
March 24 2012 18:35 GMT
#119
KeSPA uuegghhh
Kinda glad my interest in SC2 has been dying now.

That said MLG had just started rebuilding it past 2 days
storkfan
Profile Joined March 2012
493 Posts
March 24 2012 18:35 GMT
#120
On March 25 2012 03:21 NoDDiE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 03:15 Bagi wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.

User was warned for this post

Why do posts like this one get warnings, when people in the BW forum are free to call SC2 a shit game with no future?


i agree with that guy. sc2 flaming = fine
bw flaming = warning ? how is this supposed to be fair ?

Do you throw insults at your grandpa? No dude, its just not right.. Its not like with buddies busting each others balls. When it comes to elders, one must respect and understand what they have done.
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