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Knock off the SC2 vs BW vs LoL vs whatever crap please.
Noro
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada991 Posts
March 24 2012 18:04 GMT
#61
On March 25 2012 02:34 MetalLobster wrote:
I don't see why they have to eliminate BW


Nothing lasts forever son.
Talk not to me of blasphemy, man; I'd strike the sun if it insulted me.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
March 24 2012 18:05 GMT
#62
if bw dies then what will JD and flash do? play on afreeca for balloons like mjy? no way. they will have to move to sc2 as BW has been their life and future. but it sucks that sc2 will NOT appeal to their high skill and challenge them like bw. they will play for $$$ and because they have no choice. which is very different from when they joined BW...it was their choice and true passion. kespa is now switching games and they will be forced to....this does not sit well with me nor will it with them. All those years of bw training are now gone and they will have to play the gimmicky, volatile and mechanically streamlined game that is sc2.

Please Blizzard, if you really want to keep these BW pros and ensure the long life of SC2, for god's sake raise the skill ceiling and remove blob v blob.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
March 24 2012 18:05 GMT
#63
On March 25 2012 03:01 howLiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 02:56 setzer wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:53 Tsuki.eu wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:49 LoLAdriankat wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:48 theBALLS wrote:
BW fanboys will have to admit that as awesome as BW is, its heyday is over. Just look at BW tourney viewership on TL. It's abysmal.


Those are BW tourney restreams. Foreign community doesn't watch BW.


Just out of curiosity, how many ppl watch a normal bw stream? not the super duper finals, just a regular game like on GSL or NASL/IPL.


I regularly see 1000+ across all retreams for a regular proleague match, which is more than what NASL and IPL sometimes get.

If you want to belittle something you could also mention that most pros streaming their practice games also get 1000+ views, which makes those BW restreams look ridiculous.


And those same people sometimes get more than GSL viewership. Time of day is a pretty big deal.
insanet
Profile Joined January 2010
Peru439 Posts
March 24 2012 18:05 GMT
#64
dont get your hopes too high of matches between sc2 scenes, kespa players will never play against gom players, kespa will never allow that.
Akhee
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil811 Posts
March 24 2012 18:06 GMT
#65
On March 25 2012 02:25 bnanaPEEL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 02:21 Risljaninasim wrote:
If the BW pros come to Sc2, it will be awesome.

This is the only possible outcome that would be good. Man, it must be very stressful to be a progamer right now


just like wc3 had to switch? its not soccer you can be progamer only in 1 game, surely it will bring tears to bw fans if bw ends up like wc3, but its good to see another game (this time sc2) will get bigger
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
March 24 2012 18:06 GMT
#66
On March 25 2012 02:51 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 02:47 Tsuki.eu wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:34 MetalLobster wrote:
I don't see why they have to eliminate BW


because nothing lasts forever?


whats the point of esports if it can't last forever and everyone has to move to a new and shiny game,so i'm not hating on SC2 or anything i'm just saying.

Well that's just a euphemism for "doesn't make enough money". If MLG started showing LoL only instead of SC2 it would be the same situation. People talk a lot about how big sports never change, but the NFL is in no danger of losing profits, whereas the esports groups always are.
Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
March 24 2012 18:07 GMT
#67
I think a mixed league is a terrible idea.

I wonder if all of the broodwar players will switch and how many will go to other games or just retire, or if it'll just still be a while while before they switch anyway.

i hope when they do, or before they do, or after they do, we start to see a lot more serious skill increase of the players. the fact that people still win and lose with blind coinflips because they or their opponent just don't even bother to scout (not, "they missed it", "they flat fucking didn't even scout period"), is just bad, and just an example. I know our games young but oi.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50245 Posts
March 24 2012 18:07 GMT
#68
On March 25 2012 03:05 Golgotha wrote:
if bw dies then what will JD and flash do? play on afreeca for balloons like mjy? no way. they will have to move to sc2 as BW has been their life and future. but it sucks that sc2 will NOT appeal to their high skill and challenge them like bw. they will play for $$$ and because they have no choice. which is very different from when they joined BW...it was their choice and true passion. kespa is now switching games and they will be forced to....this does not sit well with me nor will it with them. All those years of bw training are now gone and they will have to play the gimmicky, volatile and mechanically streamlined game that is sc2.

Please Blizzard, if you really want to keep these BW pros and ensure the long life of SC2, for god's sake raise the skill ceiling and remove blob v blob.


just to let you know that SC2 is kinda moved away form blob vs blob.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
March 24 2012 18:08 GMT
#69
On March 25 2012 03:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 03:05 Golgotha wrote:
if bw dies then what will JD and flash do? play on afreeca for balloons like mjy? no way. they will have to move to sc2 as BW has been their life and future. but it sucks that sc2 will NOT appeal to their high skill and challenge them like bw. they will play for $$$ and because they have no choice. which is very different from when they joined BW...it was their choice and true passion. kespa is now switching games and they will be forced to....this does not sit well with me nor will it with them. All those years of bw training are now gone and they will have to play the gimmicky, volatile and mechanically streamlined game that is sc2.

Please Blizzard, if you really want to keep these BW pros and ensure the long life of SC2, for god's sake raise the skill ceiling and remove blob v blob.


just to let you know that SC2 is kinda moved away form blob vs blob.

TvP is still blob vs blob to a huge degree, either that or all ins
Noro
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada991 Posts
March 24 2012 18:08 GMT
#70
On March 25 2012 03:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 03:05 Golgotha wrote:
if bw dies then what will JD and flash do? play on afreeca for balloons like mjy? no way. they will have to move to sc2 as BW has been their life and future. but it sucks that sc2 will NOT appeal to their high skill and challenge them like bw. they will play for $$$ and because they have no choice. which is very different from when they joined BW...it was their choice and true passion. kespa is now switching games and they will be forced to....this does not sit well with me nor will it with them. All those years of bw training are now gone and they will have to play the gimmicky, volatile and mechanically streamlined game that is sc2.

Please Blizzard, if you really want to keep these BW pros and ensure the long life of SC2, for god's sake raise the skill ceiling and remove blob v blob.


just to let you know that SC2 is kinda moved away form blob vs blob.


Agreed, Go watch MLG, i don't even know if there has been a game that has been "blob vs blob"
Talk not to me of blasphemy, man; I'd strike the sun if it insulted me.
medic_ro
Profile Joined July 2011
Romania105 Posts
March 24 2012 18:08 GMT
#71
--- Nuked ---
Taiki
Profile Joined December 2011
Norway57 Posts
March 24 2012 18:12 GMT
#72
Would be sad seeing Flash losing to players that wouldn't even be able to touch him in BW.
Grampz
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2147 Posts
March 24 2012 18:13 GMT
#73
On March 25 2012 02:59 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 02:36 sc14s wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:31 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:21 Risljaninasim wrote:
If the BW pros come to Sc2, it will be awesome.

This. I'm already hyped as hell for this.

jaedong will put zergs to shame.


jaedong vs DRG in a GSL finals, it will be a battle of the dongs :D I would love to see how a top tier BW zerg could potentially innovate and reinvent the SC2 zerg playstyle.

dong vs dong would make me rethink my sexuality...joking of course, because there is only 1 true dong, the way all males should be!
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
March 24 2012 18:13 GMT
#74
On March 25 2012 03:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 03:05 Golgotha wrote:
if bw dies then what will JD and flash do? play on afreeca for balloons like mjy? no way. they will have to move to sc2 as BW has been their life and future. but it sucks that sc2 will NOT appeal to their high skill and challenge them like bw. they will play for $$$ and because they have no choice. which is very different from when they joined BW...it was their choice and true passion. kespa is now switching games and they will be forced to....this does not sit well with me nor will it with them. All those years of bw training are now gone and they will have to play the gimmicky, volatile and mechanically streamlined game that is sc2.

Please Blizzard, if you really want to keep these BW pros and ensure the long life of SC2, for god's sake raise the skill ceiling and remove blob v blob.


just to let you know that SC2 is kinda moved away form blob vs blob.


Nope, can't really recall a game that isn't blob v blob unless it is TvT. Most of them are blob v blob cuz it would be stupid to split your forces and play at such a disadvantage when grouping all your units into one army is the most effective. I follow both games and zvp, zvt and tvp are still blob vs blob.
Kordox
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark142 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 18:14:43
March 24 2012 18:13 GMT
#75
On March 25 2012 03:05 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 03:01 howLiN wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:56 setzer wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:53 Tsuki.eu wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:49 LoLAdriankat wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:48 theBALLS wrote:
BW fanboys will have to admit that as awesome as BW is, its heyday is over. Just look at BW tourney viewership on TL. It's abysmal.


Those are BW tourney restreams. Foreign community doesn't watch BW.


Just out of curiosity, how many ppl watch a normal bw stream? not the super duper finals, just a regular game like on GSL or NASL/IPL.


I regularly see 1000+ across all retreams for a regular proleague match, which is more than what NASL and IPL sometimes get.

If you want to belittle something you could also mention that most pros streaming their practice games also get 1000+ views, which makes those BW restreams look ridiculous.


And those same people sometimes get more than GSL viewership. Time of day is a pretty big deal.


Where did you see the GSL viewing figures? I didn't think that information was public.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5612 Posts
March 24 2012 18:15 GMT
#76
On March 25 2012 03:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 03:05 Golgotha wrote:
if bw dies then what will JD and flash do? play on afreeca for balloons like mjy? no way. they will have to move to sc2 as BW has been their life and future. but it sucks that sc2 will NOT appeal to their high skill and challenge them like bw. they will play for $$$ and because they have no choice. which is very different from when they joined BW...it was their choice and true passion. kespa is now switching games and they will be forced to....this does not sit well with me nor will it with them. All those years of bw training are now gone and they will have to play the gimmicky, volatile and mechanically streamlined game that is sc2.

Please Blizzard, if you really want to keep these BW pros and ensure the long life of SC2, for god's sake raise the skill ceiling and remove blob v blob.


just to let you know that SC2 is kinda moved away form blob vs blob.


All Protoss MU's still are, for the most part. Hell, most games are like that, still. I've watched like every MLG and most GSL finals. There are still huge army blobs everywhere (Zerg armies usually attack in one huge blob, so do Protoss armies and Terran in TvP). Not to mention there's still hardly any micro in the BW sense. I couldn't care less about some spell casting micro when spells are so overnerfed and easy to use. Many units are simply incredibly dull. We all know which ones. But Blizzard won't fix them. They're proud of their Collosi, Marauders and such...
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
March 24 2012 18:15 GMT
#77
On March 25 2012 02:18 lottopk wrote:
Its inevitable. Everything must progress and bw is getting old.

User was warned for this post

Why do posts like this one get warnings, when people in the BW forum are free to call SC2 a shit game with no future?
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
March 24 2012 18:17 GMT
#78
On March 25 2012 03:12 Taiki wrote:
Would be sad seeing Flash losing to players that wouldn't even be able to touch him in BW.

Of all the good reasons to be sad, this is probably the dumbest thing I've read here. I'll bet Grubby (aka one of the best wc3 players ever) wouldn't be touched by Whitera in Wc3 but could lose in Sc2 because its a different bloody game.
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
March 24 2012 18:18 GMT
#79
On March 25 2012 03:05 Golgotha wrote:
if bw dies then what will JD and flash do? play on afreeca for balloons like mjy? no way. they will have to move to sc2 as BW has been their life and future. but it sucks that sc2 will NOT appeal to their high skill and challenge them like bw. they will play for $$$ and because they have no choice. which is very different from when they joined BW...it was their choice and true passion. kespa is now switching games and they will be forced to....this does not sit well with me nor will it with them. All those years of bw training are now gone and they will have to play the gimmicky, volatile and mechanically streamlined game that is sc2.

Please Blizzard, if you really want to keep these BW pros and ensure the long life of SC2, for god's sake raise the skill ceiling and remove blob v blob.


They could just quit progaming, there's no reason they have to continue doing it.
BW forever || Thall
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
March 24 2012 18:19 GMT
#80
On March 25 2012 03:13 Kordox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 03:05 setzer wrote:
On March 25 2012 03:01 howLiN wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:56 setzer wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:53 Tsuki.eu wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:49 LoLAdriankat wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:48 theBALLS wrote:
BW fanboys will have to admit that as awesome as BW is, its heyday is over. Just look at BW tourney viewership on TL. It's abysmal.


Those are BW tourney restreams. Foreign community doesn't watch BW.


Just out of curiosity, how many ppl watch a normal bw stream? not the super duper finals, just a regular game like on GSL or NASL/IPL.


I regularly see 1000+ across all retreams for a regular proleague match, which is more than what NASL and IPL sometimes get.

If you want to belittle something you could also mention that most pros streaming their practice games also get 1000+ views, which makes those BW restreams look ridiculous.


And those same people sometimes get more than GSL viewership. Time of day is a pretty big deal.


Where did you see the GSL viewing figures? I didn't think that information was public.


When GSL had twitch.tv broadcast some of their games.

But like I said it isn't really accurate to compare a player streaming at peak hours and GSL/proleague being played at 4.am in the morning.
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