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On March 28 2012 05:27 Pelopidas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 04:49 Shiori wrote:On March 28 2012 04:41 Pelopidas wrote:On March 28 2012 02:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I've played BW since 2000. I'm playing SC2 now, and hopefully I (or my children) will someday play SC3. But for this to work we need to drop BW. It's time to quit while the going's good and not drag BW on until it fades.
Why would you want SC3? I think you should prefer to play a game that is good enough to stand the test time, and not be replaced just because Blizzard decided the time was ripe to profit from the next installment in the series. It amazes me how many people have bought into this mindset. Do you really want to play a forgetable game designed to have an expiry date, and be replaced with something completely different when this time comes? I couldn't care less whether or not such a game is set in the Starcraft universe, or if its vaguely related to its predecessor. I want to play, and watch a good game, I don't just want to just follow a brand. Brood War has everything I want in a game, therefore I watch and play Broodwar. I don't see why Brood War needs to die so that SC2 can succeed. I also don't see why SC2 needs to succeed. The death of Brood War will not bring about a future where your children can play SC3. SC3 will come out when Blizzard has decided that they have milked the SC2 franchise to its fullest potential regardless of what happens to Brood War. The death of Brood War will also not make SC2 mainstream outside of Korea, and probably seriously damage the prestige of proleague. You and other SC2 fans need to come back down to earth. In spite of what community leaders may say SC2 is not destined to break into the mainstream, or replace Brood War. It may exist for a time under the proleague banner, but it will never be able to match the glory days of Brood War in exposure or popularity. It will probably wither and die in the foreign scene in the not too distant future as newer games are released and support dries up. It has even begun to happen now, LoL stream numbers have greatly eclipsed SC2 viewership, and the active SC2 playerbase has dwindled. SC2 tournaments continue to lose money to this day. You can spam sponsors, and stuff polls as much as you want, but it wont matter in the end. It's not so much that BW "needs" to die so much as that it is going to die. For the RTS esports community to survive the community needs to move to another game, or else terrible, casual trash like LoL is going to take over. I don't hate BW, and I think that Sc2 has a LOT of flaws, but anyone who thinks BW is going to survive forever is kidding themselves. It just doesn't have any more potential to grow. Sc2, like it or hate it, does. BW is completely dead globally and is started to diminish even in Korea. It's unrealistic to expect that foreigners will ever start to play it, no matter what kind of advertisement or support is done. Sc2 is still new enough and with enough new content on the way that it could actually catch on and entice people to buy/play it. BW can't. This isn't a sleight against the game; it's a simple fact. That's why people are moving over to Sc2 and why the community in general/Blizzard/KeSPA are pinning their hopes on it rather than BW. Well, I feel that SC2 is a terrible casual bastardization of BW, a sequel in name only. I would rather watch LoL. At least LoL doesn't pretend to be a sequel while tarnishing its predecessor's legacy. I also don't give a damn about the growth of the global Esports scene. I care about the BW proscene, which is now being sacrificed so that Blizzard can sell more copies of Starcraft 2, and make money off television royalties. SC2 has very little potential to grow anyways, it peaked in the foreign scene months ago, and was rejected in Korea despite an expensive advertising campaign. You shouldn't delude yourself. Besides, a game should be popular based on its actual quality, not the dubious potential to become good. Brood War, a game which still has tremendous popularity in Korea, shouldn't be sacrificed just so a game that shares its background can grow. The point of a game is to be fun to play and watch, not to act as a vehicle for making competitive gaming popular and mainstream. Why should I care about a game growing if I hate that game, and get no enjoyment out of it? Btw the community is not moving over to SC2 in Korea. Why would they? SC2 is a completely different game. The only ones who are think that they can make money off of SC2. The vast majority of retired pros still play BW on the Fish server. Sometimes they even play in tournaments casted on afreeca.
On March 28 2012 05:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 04:41 Pelopidas wrote:On March 28 2012 02:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I've played BW since 2000. I'm playing SC2 now, and hopefully I (or my children) will someday play SC3. But for this to work we need to drop BW. It's time to quit while the going's good and not drag BW on until it fades.
Why would you want SC3? I think you should prefer to play a game that is good enough to stand the test time, and not be replaced just because Blizzard decided the time was ripe to profit from the next installment in the series. It amazes me how many people have bought into this mindset. Do you really want to play a forgetable game designed to have an expiry date, and be replaced with something completely different when this time comes? I couldn't care less whether or not such a game is set in the Starcraft universe, or if its vaguely related to its predecessor. I want to play, and watch a good game, I don't just want to just follow a brand. Brood War has everything I want in a game, therefore I watch and play Broodwar. I don't see why Brood War needs to die so that SC2 can succeed. I also don't see why SC2 needs to succeed. The death of Brood War will not bring about a future where your children can play SC3. SC3 will come out when Blizzard has decided that they have milked the SC2 franchise to its fullest potential regardless of what happens to Brood War. The death of Brood War will also not make SC2 mainstream outside of Korea, and probably seriously damage the prestige of proleague. You and other SC2 fans need to come back down to earth. In spite of what community leaders may say SC2 is not destined to break into the mainstream, or replace Brood War. It may exist for a time under the proleague banner, but it will never be able to match the glory days of Brood War in exposure or popularity. It will probably wither and die in the foreign scene in the not too distant future as newer games are released and support dries up. It has even begun to happen now, LoL stream numbers have greatly eclipsed SC2 viewership, and the active SC2 playerbase has dwindled. SC2 tournaments continue to lose money to this day. You can spam sponsors, and stuff polls as much as you want, but it wont matter in the end. BW will die before SC2 does. A lot of BW vets criticize SC2 to appealing to lowest common denominator so Blizz can sell more, but this means SC2 has a growing community. In the meantime, almost nobody is going back to BW at this point. There are people, yes, but they are dwarfed by number of people drawn to SC2 or other esports. In the end, BW is just as much of a money thing as SC2 is. Both were video games released to be entertaining by Blizzard who hoped to make money off of them. A game needs to be easy to learn and impossible to master to be the most appealing, and Brood War is no longer the former.
That was based off sales only. Blizzard had no idea it would come to this. -.-
A.... easy to learn and impossible to master? Yeah, that saying is directly tied to BW. You can have more than one tied to that expression bud.
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On March 28 2012 05:27 Pelopidas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 04:49 Shiori wrote:On March 28 2012 04:41 Pelopidas wrote:On March 28 2012 02:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I've played BW since 2000. I'm playing SC2 now, and hopefully I (or my children) will someday play SC3. But for this to work we need to drop BW. It's time to quit while the going's good and not drag BW on until it fades.
Why would you want SC3? I think you should prefer to play a game that is good enough to stand the test time, and not be replaced just because Blizzard decided the time was ripe to profit from the next installment in the series. It amazes me how many people have bought into this mindset. Do you really want to play a forgetable game designed to have an expiry date, and be replaced with something completely different when this time comes? I couldn't care less whether or not such a game is set in the Starcraft universe, or if its vaguely related to its predecessor. I want to play, and watch a good game, I don't just want to just follow a brand. Brood War has everything I want in a game, therefore I watch and play Broodwar. I don't see why Brood War needs to die so that SC2 can succeed. I also don't see why SC2 needs to succeed. The death of Brood War will not bring about a future where your children can play SC3. SC3 will come out when Blizzard has decided that they have milked the SC2 franchise to its fullest potential regardless of what happens to Brood War. The death of Brood War will also not make SC2 mainstream outside of Korea, and probably seriously damage the prestige of proleague. You and other SC2 fans need to come back down to earth. In spite of what community leaders may say SC2 is not destined to break into the mainstream, or replace Brood War. It may exist for a time under the proleague banner, but it will never be able to match the glory days of Brood War in exposure or popularity. It will probably wither and die in the foreign scene in the not too distant future as newer games are released and support dries up. It has even begun to happen now, LoL stream numbers have greatly eclipsed SC2 viewership, and the active SC2 playerbase has dwindled. SC2 tournaments continue to lose money to this day. You can spam sponsors, and stuff polls as much as you want, but it wont matter in the end. It's not so much that BW "needs" to die so much as that it is going to die. For the RTS esports community to survive the community needs to move to another game, or else terrible, casual trash like LoL is going to take over. I don't hate BW, and I think that Sc2 has a LOT of flaws, but anyone who thinks BW is going to survive forever is kidding themselves. It just doesn't have any more potential to grow. Sc2, like it or hate it, does. BW is completely dead globally and is started to diminish even in Korea. It's unrealistic to expect that foreigners will ever start to play it, no matter what kind of advertisement or support is done. Sc2 is still new enough and with enough new content on the way that it could actually catch on and entice people to buy/play it. BW can't. This isn't a sleight against the game; it's a simple fact. That's why people are moving over to Sc2 and why the community in general/Blizzard/KeSPA are pinning their hopes on it rather than BW. Well, I feel that SC2 is a terrible casual bastardization of BW, a sequel in name only. I would rather watch LoL. At least LoL doesn't pretend to be a sequel while tarnishing its predecessor's legacy. I also don't give a damn about the growth of the global Esports scene. I care about the BW proscene, which is now being sacrificed so that Blizzard can sell more copies of Starcraft 2, and make money off television royalties. SC2 has very little potential to grow anyways, it peaked in the foreign scene months ago, and was rejected in Korea despite an expensive advertising campaign. You shouldn't delude yourself. Besides, a game should be popular based on its actual quality, not the dubious potential to become good. Brood War, a game which still has tremendous popularity in Korea, shouldn't be sacrificed just so a game that shares its background can grow. The point of a game is to be fun to play and watch, not to act as a vehicle for making competitive gaming popular and mainstream. Why should I care about a game growing if I hate that game, and get no enjoyment out of it?
As a whole I feel the opposite. As a game sc2 is an improvement over BW in almost every single way from the vastly improved AI to the far better UI. This is purely an opinion from both of us and would go nowhere though. I still enjoy watching current BW though but there is no possible way the pros can practice 2 games at once and have either one provide good games. That pretty much means this OSL will probably be the best BW we will see before the players start putting more hours into either learning sc2 or there next venture.
Personally as a fan I would rather BW end on a high note than watch the quality of games dip down due player bleeding and reduced practice time. I wish both could co-exist but I figure there really is room for only one RTS and people are going to go where the big names go and KESPA seems to want to hitch its ride with blizzard so KESPA's players will no doubt go that way as well.
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On March 28 2012 05:37 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 05:27 Pelopidas wrote:On March 28 2012 04:49 Shiori wrote:On March 28 2012 04:41 Pelopidas wrote:On March 28 2012 02:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I've played BW since 2000. I'm playing SC2 now, and hopefully I (or my children) will someday play SC3. But for this to work we need to drop BW. It's time to quit while the going's good and not drag BW on until it fades.
Why would you want SC3? I think you should prefer to play a game that is good enough to stand the test time, and not be replaced just because Blizzard decided the time was ripe to profit from the next installment in the series. It amazes me how many people have bought into this mindset. Do you really want to play a forgetable game designed to have an expiry date, and be replaced with something completely different when this time comes? I couldn't care less whether or not such a game is set in the Starcraft universe, or if its vaguely related to its predecessor. I want to play, and watch a good game, I don't just want to just follow a brand. Brood War has everything I want in a game, therefore I watch and play Broodwar. I don't see why Brood War needs to die so that SC2 can succeed. I also don't see why SC2 needs to succeed. The death of Brood War will not bring about a future where your children can play SC3. SC3 will come out when Blizzard has decided that they have milked the SC2 franchise to its fullest potential regardless of what happens to Brood War. The death of Brood War will also not make SC2 mainstream outside of Korea, and probably seriously damage the prestige of proleague. You and other SC2 fans need to come back down to earth. In spite of what community leaders may say SC2 is not destined to break into the mainstream, or replace Brood War. It may exist for a time under the proleague banner, but it will never be able to match the glory days of Brood War in exposure or popularity. It will probably wither and die in the foreign scene in the not too distant future as newer games are released and support dries up. It has even begun to happen now, LoL stream numbers have greatly eclipsed SC2 viewership, and the active SC2 playerbase has dwindled. SC2 tournaments continue to lose money to this day. You can spam sponsors, and stuff polls as much as you want, but it wont matter in the end. It's not so much that BW "needs" to die so much as that it is going to die. For the RTS esports community to survive the community needs to move to another game, or else terrible, casual trash like LoL is going to take over. I don't hate BW, and I think that Sc2 has a LOT of flaws, but anyone who thinks BW is going to survive forever is kidding themselves. It just doesn't have any more potential to grow. Sc2, like it or hate it, does. BW is completely dead globally and is started to diminish even in Korea. It's unrealistic to expect that foreigners will ever start to play it, no matter what kind of advertisement or support is done. Sc2 is still new enough and with enough new content on the way that it could actually catch on and entice people to buy/play it. BW can't. This isn't a sleight against the game; it's a simple fact. That's why people are moving over to Sc2 and why the community in general/Blizzard/KeSPA are pinning their hopes on it rather than BW. Well, I feel that SC2 is a terrible casual bastardization of BW, a sequel in name only. I would rather watch LoL. At least LoL doesn't pretend to be a sequel while tarnishing its predecessor's legacy. I also don't give a damn about the growth of the global Esports scene. I care about the BW proscene, which is now being sacrificed so that Blizzard can sell more copies of Starcraft 2, and make money off television royalties. SC2 has very little potential to grow anyways, it peaked in the foreign scene months ago, and was rejected in Korea despite an expensive advertising campaign. You shouldn't delude yourself. Besides, a game should be popular based on its actual quality, not the dubious potential to become good. Brood War, a game which still has tremendous popularity in Korea, shouldn't be sacrificed just so a game that shares its background can grow. The point of a game is to be fun to play and watch, not to act as a vehicle for making competitive gaming popular and mainstream. Why should I care about a game growing if I hate that game, and get no enjoyment out of it? Btw the community is not moving over to SC2 in Korea. Why would they? SC2 is a completely different game. The only ones who are think that they can make money off of SC2. The vast majority of retired pros still play BW on the Fish server. Sometimes they even play in tournaments casted on afreeca. Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 05:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 28 2012 04:41 Pelopidas wrote:On March 28 2012 02:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I've played BW since 2000. I'm playing SC2 now, and hopefully I (or my children) will someday play SC3. But for this to work we need to drop BW. It's time to quit while the going's good and not drag BW on until it fades.
Why would you want SC3? I think you should prefer to play a game that is good enough to stand the test time, and not be replaced just because Blizzard decided the time was ripe to profit from the next installment in the series. It amazes me how many people have bought into this mindset. Do you really want to play a forgetable game designed to have an expiry date, and be replaced with something completely different when this time comes? I couldn't care less whether or not such a game is set in the Starcraft universe, or if its vaguely related to its predecessor. I want to play, and watch a good game, I don't just want to just follow a brand. Brood War has everything I want in a game, therefore I watch and play Broodwar. I don't see why Brood War needs to die so that SC2 can succeed. I also don't see why SC2 needs to succeed. The death of Brood War will not bring about a future where your children can play SC3. SC3 will come out when Blizzard has decided that they have milked the SC2 franchise to its fullest potential regardless of what happens to Brood War. The death of Brood War will also not make SC2 mainstream outside of Korea, and probably seriously damage the prestige of proleague. You and other SC2 fans need to come back down to earth. In spite of what community leaders may say SC2 is not destined to break into the mainstream, or replace Brood War. It may exist for a time under the proleague banner, but it will never be able to match the glory days of Brood War in exposure or popularity. It will probably wither and die in the foreign scene in the not too distant future as newer games are released and support dries up. It has even begun to happen now, LoL stream numbers have greatly eclipsed SC2 viewership, and the active SC2 playerbase has dwindled. SC2 tournaments continue to lose money to this day. You can spam sponsors, and stuff polls as much as you want, but it wont matter in the end. BW will die before SC2 does. A lot of BW vets criticize SC2 to appealing to lowest common denominator so Blizz can sell more, but this means SC2 has a growing community. In the meantime, almost nobody is going back to BW at this point. There are people, yes, but they are dwarfed by number of people drawn to SC2 or other esports. In the end, BW is just as much of a money thing as SC2 is. Both were video games released to be entertaining by Blizzard who hoped to make money off of them. A game needs to be easy to learn and impossible to master to be the most appealing, and Brood War is no longer the former. That was based off sales only. Blizzard had no idea it would come to this. -.- A.... easy to learn and impossible to master? Yeah, that saying is directly tied to BW. You can have more than one tied to that expression bud.
BW no longer "easy to learn" because the bar has been raised until many noobs struggle to get anywhere. Took me three months to win a game on iCCup because everyone was already yea high and I was just getting back into SC for the first time in years.
Contrarily, SC2's Bronze League is a nice place to start. I skipped the Practice League (which is also part of the "easy to learn" package) and still won my second game even though I had little to no idea what the new units did or how they worked.
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easy tolearn, hard to master has no relation whatsoever to the level of competition. somehow bw which is the same game it was 10 years ago is somehow harder to learn now? wtf did i miss? easy to learn is not synonomous to easy to get wins.
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On March 28 2012 09:28 ShadeR wrote:
easy tolearn, hard to master has no relation whatsoever to the level of competition. somehow bw which is the same game it was 10 years ago is somehow harder to learn now? wtf did i miss? easy to learn is not synonomous to easy to get wins.
Well there's a lot more to learn. In 1998 ladder you were expected to do a lot less than in 2010s ladder. Early expanding was a novel idea back then. So were reaver drops.
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On March 28 2012 10:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 09:28 ShadeR wrote:
easy tolearn, hard to master has no relation whatsoever to the level of competition. somehow bw which is the same game it was 10 years ago is somehow harder to learn now? wtf did i miss? easy to learn is not synonomous to easy to get wins. Well there's a lot more to learn. In 1998 ladder you were expected to do a lot less than in 2010s ladder. Early expanding was a novel idea back then. So were reaver drops.
Well your original contention was that BW is not easy to learn. As if to imply that people a decade ago picking up BW were innately more gosu than people picking up SC2 now.
easy to learn is not synonomous to easy to get wins
Theres a lot more to learn...so what? SC2 play from beta drew from modern BW play so i don't really understand your point.
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On March 28 2012 10:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 09:28 ShadeR wrote:
easy tolearn, hard to master has no relation whatsoever to the level of competition. somehow bw which is the same game it was 10 years ago is somehow harder to learn now? wtf did i miss? easy to learn is not synonomous to easy to get wins. Well there's a lot more to learn. In 1998 ladder you were expected to do a lot less than in 2010s ladder. Early expanding was a novel idea back then. So were reaver drops.
Perhaps what you mean is it's harder to ladder in BW now and that's very true. But it's not any harder to play BW.
I've taught many, many people to play BW with varying degrees of success depending on their interest and motivation. (LAN parties) Some are content to make 20 SCV's 1 rax and 2 factories and 1 starport and run around with a group of 12 wraiths and a couple tanks the entire game. It's just as easy to learn the game. The problem is finding competition that matches your level which is where sGs and others come in.
I took one person that had never touched an RTS and got him to a macro king (for someone with 30APM anyways)- tons of expansions and workers, reems of factories. And this was someone who was wondering if an RTS was kinda like a FPS. He had terrible game sense because he had not played very much, but it was learnable.
Of course none of them played on iCCup and we always balanced out the teams 2v2v1 or something. But it's just as easy to pick up now as it was in 1998.
You can learn all the micro tricks if you want. Or you don't and suddenly the game is much easier.
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If the top players start playing SC2, they'll probably just get bored and quit within a short time. Midas said in an interview, "I'm going to confess that in the off-season, I tried out StarCraft 2 and League of Legends. I was so surprised when I first played StarCraft 2. I couldn't believe that such an easy game exists. Same with League of Legends. I guess the best way to attract people these days is to make things easy and simple". Similarly, Violet, who got to Grandmaster while in the hospital recovering from leukemia, tweeted, "but, I haven't got interest in SC2. I feel bored."
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On March 28 2012 11:27 reincremate wrote:
If the top players start playing SC2, they'll probably just get bored and quit within a short time. Midas said in an interview, "I'm going to confess that in the off-season, I tried out StarCraft 2 and League of Legends. I was so surprised when I first played StarCraft 2. I couldn't believe that such an easy game exists. Same with League of Legends. I guess the best way to attract people these days is to make things easy and simple". Similarly, Violet, who got to Grandmaster while in the hospital recovering from leukemia, tweeted, "but, I haven't got interest in SC2. I feel bored."
What's your point? SC2 has a great competitive scene already. Pros coming over from SC:BW would be great. If some left soon after, so be it. I'd still watch.
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On March 28 2012 11:27 reincremate wrote:
If the top players start playing SC2, they'll probably just get bored and quit within a short time. Midas said in an interview, "I'm going to confess that in the off-season, I tried out StarCraft 2 and League of Legends. I was so surprised when I first played StarCraft 2. I couldn't believe that such an easy game exists. Same with League of Legends. I guess the best way to attract people these days is to make things easy and simple". Similarly, Violet, who got to Grandmaster while in the hospital recovering from leukemia, tweeted, "but, I haven't got interest in SC2. I feel bored."
And yet MKP once had a firm grip on the top 10 gm ranks on ladder--can't win a gsl. Drg had one of the longest stints on the ladder for his time--but couldn't get past code B. and so and so forth. If anything what sc2 shows us is that being a ladder king is essentially meaningless in the Korean pro scene.
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I'm very excited to see all esports companies come together and make the effort needed to make esports grow into what all of us want it to be. We want to be as big, if not BIGGER, than any athletic organization(MLB, NFL, etc)
However I do have my worries..I'm not an expert on the BW scene like soooo many of the rest of us here..(so don't bash too hard..trying to learn here)
Is this going to lead to a binding, written contract? If so, will this be a sound financial decision by Blizzard, knowing some of their business history??
Also...
How will the esports competition scene progress when expansions, such as Heart of the Swarm, try to make their way into competition?(This may be an unrelated question..it's been bashed on and talked out by many online shows..if it's irrelevant, sorry)
-Tommy-
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On March 28 2012 11:27 reincremate wrote:
If the top players start playing SC2, they'll probably just get bored and quit within a short time. Midas said in an interview, "I'm going to confess that in the off-season, I tried out StarCraft 2 and League of Legends. I was so surprised when I first played StarCraft 2. I couldn't believe that such an easy game exists. Same with League of Legends. I guess the best way to attract people these days is to make things easy and simple".
This sounds to me like a broodwar pro basically complaining that the sc2 interface is easier to use than the bw interface. He had to learn to deal with a clunky UI, so everyone should or an easier UI makes a game worse? It has nothing to do with the depth of sc2. Of course, that's just four sentences on the subject, I'd be interested if he had anything else to say.
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Actually BW is harder to play thise days. Good luck "goofing around" doing your own funny builds when all opponents in ladder are semi-pros from your perspective.
I play SC2 purely because its possible to become actual pro-player and the scene is strong. The game itself is boring as hell.
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On March 29 2012 06:14 madsweepslol wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 11:27 reincremate wrote:
If the top players start playing SC2, they'll probably just get bored and quit within a short time. Midas said in an interview, "I'm going to confess that in the off-season, I tried out StarCraft 2 and League of Legends. I was so surprised when I first played StarCraft 2. I couldn't believe that such an easy game exists. Same with League of Legends. I guess the best way to attract people these days is to make things easy and simple". This sounds to me like a broodwar pro basically complaining that the sc2 interface is easier to use than the bw interface. He had to learn to deal with a clunky UI, so everyone should or an easier UI makes a game worse? It has nothing to do with the depth of sc2. Of course, that's just four sentences on the subject, I'd be interested if he had anything else to say.
agreed. the skill ceiling of a game is only as good as they allow it to be.
just look at forgg. welcome to code S
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bw players' mechanics and work ethics in sc2, now, sc2 pro scene will be insane!!
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Forget the BW vs SC2 conversation, how about Kespa vs GomTV? If we want to have Starcraft grow it must be able to continue to develop and draw in new viewers.
I was not an esports fan during BW's height but I've heard Kespa is the stereotypical "evil corporation" that cares more about crushing opposition than it does about growing its own organization. GomTV is clearly not that [loaning out casters, allowing teams/players to participate in tourneys across the world, directly seeding in foreigners, providing a free stream, etc] - are we as fans ok with Blizzard talking directly with Kespa? A weathered BW fan's perspective would be much appreciated.
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On March 29 2012 13:23 OrD_SC2 wrote:
Forget the BW vs SC2 conversation, how about Kespa vs GomTV? If we want to have Starcraft grow it must be able to continue to develop and draw in new viewers.
I was not an esports fan during BW's height but I've heard Kespa is the stereotypical "evil corporation" that cares more about crushing opposition than it does about growing its own organization. GomTV is clearly not that [loaning out casters, allowing teams/players to participate in tourneys across the world, directly seeding in foreigners, providing a free stream, etc] - are we as fans ok with Blizzard talking directly with Kespa? A weathered BW fan's perspective would be much appreciated.
I heard kespa has a secret anti midget agenda... and also they eat babies.
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On March 29 2012 13:35 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 13:23 OrD_SC2 wrote:
Forget the BW vs SC2 conversation, how about Kespa vs GomTV? If we want to have Starcraft grow it must be able to continue to develop and draw in new viewers.
I was not an esports fan during BW's height but I've heard Kespa is the stereotypical "evil corporation" that cares more about crushing opposition than it does about growing its own organization. GomTV is clearly not that [loaning out casters, allowing teams/players to participate in tourneys across the world, directly seeding in foreigners, providing a free stream, etc] - are we as fans ok with Blizzard talking directly with Kespa? A weathered BW fan's perspective would be much appreciated. I heard kespa has a secret anti midget agenda... and also they eat babies.
They also endorse the enslavement of foreigners to be fodder for B-teamers. You know, all that stress and anxiety of losing to A-team players? They need to take it out somewhere...
-__- Where was that post about educating yourself before posting? That would be pretty awesome.
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Who would want to see that? I like BW and I really don't want to see BW pros come over and suck all day long at SC2. You wouldn't expect LoL pros to swap over to DotA2 when it releases, and you shouldn't want BW pros to come to SC2. BW leagues are great anyways, and they seem to be making money as far as I know. I watch nanashin's streams and the seats seem full.
Most if not all BW pros are going to be slow and horrible and lose to Mid-High KR Masters for the first 3+ months. SC2's fights are a whole lot faster than BW and over half the BW pros are probably going to suck for good. Things like the late "hey broseidon your crap is melting" and not having to babysit your base are things that take a long time to get used to, and sometimes aren't humanly possible to get used to in a timely manner after playing BW for so long. SC2 is also much harder to come back in because the skill floor is much higher due to good a-walk AI.
I'd lose my shit if I had to watch Flash, Reach, Stats, and Mind get all-killed by Choya. No one wants to see crap like that.
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On March 29 2012 13:23 OrD_SC2 wrote:
Forget the BW vs SC2 conversation, how about Kespa vs GomTV? If we want to have Starcraft grow it must be able to continue to develop and draw in new viewers.
I was not an esports fan during BW's height but I've heard Kespa is the stereotypical "evil corporation" that cares more about crushing opposition than it does about growing its own organization. GomTV is clearly not that [loaning out casters, allowing teams/players to participate in tourneys across the world, directly seeding in foreigners, providing a free stream, etc] - are we as fans ok with Blizzard talking directly with Kespa? A weathered BW fan's perspective would be much appreciated.
GomTV owns sole broadcasting rights to SC2 in South Korea until 2013.
GomTV is allowing KeSPA to broadcast, only they're letting Blizzard deal with all the negotiations.
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